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TAT 3D interface working on a desire

Hi Everyone
The Engadget show, demo'd some great UI's from TAT using 3D on a desire!
Take a look:
Engadget Show around 59min http://podcasts.aolcdn.com/engadget/videos/show/engadget_show_013_hd.mp4
or direct on youtube:
3D Map UI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBOO8jrnM0
could be a real possibility! Hope its gets leaked!
2D/3D List:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I5reODnVdc
The clip from Engadget is much better, the host even jokes about the apk file

OH MY LIFE!
Been waiting on news from TAT for months. Glad to see it working on the Desire. Doubt itll leak though, theyve been testing for a year or so and no one has dropped anything. Dont wven know if any testers had posted anything about it.
Sent from my HTC Desire

The demo showcases what is possible with the desires hardware and possible routes for future smartphone UI's
It can offer us so much more. Just need more devs on board!
Well, if we can generated a lot of interest, we might see some movement from TAT!
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Just shows that HTC arent the only ones to make a great overlay system on Android. Theyve taken the benchmark and gone an extra mile with their work.
I absolutely love everything ive seen from TAT, its just visually stunning and looks easy to use. Heard they arent going to release it publically via the market etc, but that was a while ago and its come a long way since then.
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wow thats awesome.
hope its not true that they wont release it publicly

thats pretty immense.
not a fan of sense, and android being ugly, this pretty much has me gobsmacked.
would happily kill people to get this.
I'm sure someone would be able to "acquire" this, seeing as the people here have repeatedly performed the impossible, and done nothing short of miracles
I look forward to this, even more than gingerbread or the new sense
only problem now, this will now haunt my dreams till it's on my desire

Danifamous said:
thats pretty immense.
not a fan of sense, and android being ugly, this pretty much has me gobsmacked.
would happily kill people to get this.
I'm sure someone would be able to "acquire" this, seeing as the people here have repeatedly performed the impossible, and done nothing short of miracles
I look forward to this, even more than gingerbread or the new sense
only problem now, this will now haunt my dreams till it's on my desire
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Over a year of testing on old devices and now up to date ones, not a single apk has been leaked. Theyve done the best job at keeping it hush than any other devs and im impressed by it. Annoyed, but impressed
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They have apparently released a few TAT home beta "previews"
"Why wasn't I part of the UX Preview?
We were completely overwhelmed by the number of people who signed up. To keep things under control and take care of feedback in a good way, we could send the preview out to only a few of the 60,000 who offered to participate."
http://tat.se/home/
Surely someone would of leaked it, but heh.
EDIT: It seems like the UI is a "for sale" basis to vendors who want a custom UI. So no marketplace apk, maybe a flashable zip, but chances are, it's going to be like sense. A major annoyance
Found a Fuse concept phone bearing the TAT3D which has been designed by thealloy.com, who, judging by their website, have worked with several large UK companies to bring "interesting" styles to the home...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURPEMBBgIU&NR=1 and http://thealloy.com/#news_27

Danifamous said:
EDIT: It seems like the UI is a "for sale" basis to vendors who want a custom UI. So no marketplace apk, maybe a flashable zip, but chances are, it's going to be like sense. A major annoyance
Found a Fuse concept phone bearing the TAT3D which has been designed by thealloy.com, who, judging by their website, have worked with several large UK companies to bring "interesting" styles to the home...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURPEMBBgIU&NR=1 and http://thealloy.com/#news_27
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Yes that may be, but since they got it working on the desire there must be some kind of apk that works. We'll just have to wait and see...

It looks like TAT does not deal directly with end users, but only with OEMs or manufacturers
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neuromacer said:
It looks like TAT does not deal directly with end users, but only with OEMs or manufacturers
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i would sell my bird to get my hands on this

So...
Who has contacts at TAT?

Oh my ***! Astonishing!
Any Swede here who lives near Malmö who can go visit them?

Great eye candy...yeah. Practical...no. I mean, who looks at their phone when its parallel to the ground. Everyone tilts it a little bit. So imagine tilting it, and the view changes!!! And all you wanted was a simple contact list!!! So i think i'll pass on this one.

Sent a few emails to thealloy.com, trying to find out some info about the Rom on the FUZE, but I doubt they'll be happy sharing the Rom from their new phone...
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jniranjan said:
Great eye candy...yeah. Practical...no. I mean, who looks at their phone when its parallel to the ground. Everyone tilts it a little bit. So imagine tilting it, and the view changes!!! And all you wanted was a simple contact list!!! So i think i'll pass on this one.
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maybe you will be able to set the way the orientation sensor works to suit you needs that would be cool

jniranjan said:
Great eye candy...yeah. Practical...no. I mean, who looks at their phone when its parallel to the ground. Everyone tilts it a little bit. So imagine tilting it, and the view changes!!! And all you wanted was a simple contact list!!! So i think i'll pass on this one.
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You can enable/disable that feature, meaning you can have it locked at your preferred view.

jniranjan said:
Great eye candy...yeah. Practical...no. I mean, who looks at their phone when its parallel to the ground. Everyone tilts it a little bit. So imagine tilting it, and the view changes!!! And all you wanted was a simple contact list!!! So i think i'll pass on this one.
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Without actually using the app, how can one dismiss the concept so quickly? I guess the tilt with have accelerateometer setting allowing you to adjust sensitivity. If you need a simple contact list, open the stock contact widget!
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Whose considering a Synapse Phone

With all N1 alternative threads, I'm surprised I haven't seen the synapse phone mentioned more, so I thought I would start a thread
I am quite heavily considering it. Tho I think I wanna wait for series 2, just to make sure custom rom community is there. Being rooted and unlocked bootloader from factory. But I think I should buy one to ensure there is a series 2
So who else is considering one of these synapse phones? To maybe replace their N1
Rellikzephyr
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I heard that was too good to be true, and is a scam.
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Seriously interested but this idea must cost a fortune
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msavic6 said:
I heard that was too good to be true, and is a scam.
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I hope not, I love the idea
Rellikzephyr
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wtf how cheap is this phone to start with? They're charging you extra for the most basic smartphone features...like a 3.5 mm jack!
*edit*
just modified my phone to personal liking, almost $900!

Read the remarks for a good analysis:
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/19/ger...g-custom-built-android-2-2-handsets-possibly/
Not going to happen.

So not a scam, but prob not gonna happen considering company resources
Damn
Rellikzephyr
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Man that seems like such a good idea....
The first day someone posted about it on gizmodo or something, I went and looked at the prices. I "built" a phone using all of components that would put it above similar phones spec wise, it was going to cost about $900 USD.
Considering I spent my entire summer savings on my Nexus One ($580 + ~$20 for screen protectors, case, etc = $600) It's not necessarily a good or bad value. If I had that type of expendable income, I would totally go for it!
The concept is cool though - make a phone that caters to your needs. I wish an American company would try this! Maybe Google? "Nexus 2 - Have It YOUR WAY!"

unknownrebelx said:
"Nexus 2 - Have It YOUR WAY!"
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hahahahahaa. Somehow, equating a $500+ phone to fast food just doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth. lol

It's an interesting idea - I won't be in the market for a new phone until September 2011 so will keep an eye on them until then. That should be enough time for them to succeed / fail.
I like the idea of a 3 year warranty..

sounds like a good idea, but they are being jackasses, 256mb of ram as the basic mode want more ram? well pay up, which is just plain 2008 or wifi, 3.5mm as options when these are basic necessities for a smartphone.

Seems more like a dream idea than an actual production device

wdfowty said:
hahahahahaa. Somehow, equating a $500+ phone to fast food just doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth. lol
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hhmm ...
Sounds like the makings of a tasty burger!
Hold the lettuce, gimme 512RAM.
86 the onions and gimme titanium back plate.
And please add bacon and the infinite touch capacitive touch screen. EXTRA? Yeah, I know, that's ok! I like bacon!

Alright I'm bumping this thread up just to show everyone there's a better alternative to the Nexus S.
And the website is pretty much working for me now. Though there's no option for me to preorder yet, but I'm more excited about this than the other phone.
Synapse-Phone.

If this true I will buy one for sure...just wanna see some in the wild and read some reviews...I will most def pass on the Nexus S
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Prices are not that awful for what I need, I end up at 500 or so USD
Obviously, I didn't put 4G and hdmi, radio, etc. since I don't use them and 4G won't be appearing in Canada for a while ^^
I'll see how it gets when they start actually selling the phones...it's an awesome idea honestly, I just hope they succeed! Go germans go

3 years warranty? Amazing if true. That alone is worth it! And finally a xenon flash for an android phone.

Custom spec phone?
I would say you're on your own as far as custom ROMs go...?
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Problem with Synapse phones... They advert DVB/T for US, but US uses ATSC!

musashiken said:
Alright I'm bumping this thread up just to show everyone there's a better alternative to the Nexus S.
And the website is pretty much working for me now. Though there's no option for me to preorder yet, but I'm more excited about this than the other phone.
Synapse-Phone.
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Oh, great. Bumping a fake phone as a better alternative to another, rumor-based phone. Excellent idea.

G2 overclock competition

As of late I haven't really heard any more news of significant clock speed gains from other higher end phones such as the Droid X/2 or the SGS phones.
From what ive read the X/2 overclocks were overinflated fibs and the OC method used in the SGS phones overstated their true clock speeds. Anything that I have missed?

I watched a competition like this once...
It was done at a dyno shop amongst members from a Nissan car club.
It was all fun and games until someone exploded their 1000hp Skyline engine.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA....

holy ****! as long as its not my car thats exploding i think its still all fun and games

carlsbad0331 said:
I watched a competition like this once...
It was done at a dyno shop amongst members from a Nissan car club.
It was all fun and games until someone exploded their 1000hp Skyline engine.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
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Ahhh, the beauty of trying to sound witty on a forum.
One would never assume the OP graduated with an associate degree in automotive technology in early 09'. Now that I've stepped out of my realm of expertise into this forum and asked a simple question (at least it's not in the dev forum) I would like some serious input if that's alright. Just proud of my phone that's all.
BTW, the correct terminology is detonated, not exploded and it can be caused by any number of issues...my money is on either a boost spike or lifted head.
Seriously not trying to be an ass here, the g2 has gotten some press over this issue lately and its legit unlike the other phones.
Thanks dude.
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The guys down in the DesireHD thread are talking some mad trash about G2 o/c.
They jelly.

Rofl, ill check it out after chemistry
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not that i am against overclocking(this is the first phone i overclocked and i set it to 1 gig) but other than "because i can" why do we need it faster than 1.9? sometimes i like to put my phone to my face to talk on it and i would like to keep from needing skin grafts. do any of our apps really NEED anything more than maybe 1.2?

psx4droid runs great at the higher speeds as long as you keep an eye on the cpu and battery temps. I have the 1800mhz Zimage on my phone right now but I keep it restricted to 1000mhz via setcpu.
Really I see it as about pushing the boundaries for the sake of knowledge, if I could compile my own personal kernel I would but being on the verge of going to pharmacy school and work both keep me too busy to learn how.
This thread isn't really about why one would do it, it was just simply asking how the g2 is fairing against other higher end phones.

I'd love to see something like this as well. Sooner or later, we're going have to start installing heatsinks on to our phones.

carlsbad0331 said:
I watched a competition like this once...
It was done at a dyno shop amongst members from a Nissan car club.
It was all fun and games until someone exploded their 1000hp Skyline engine.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
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Just read this. Dude you're still a ****tard in my book. Running your mouth about dumb ****.
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Wow way to revive a two year old thread
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stevencpoynter said:
Just read this. Dude you're still a ****tard in my book. Running your mouth about dumb ****.
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... After a year and a half you decide to reply to this? Were you just mulling over the words?

xdviper said:
I'd love to see something like this as well. Sooner or later, we're going have to start installing heatsinks on to our phones.
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I have two g2's, one runs perfectly @1.9ghz.
I picked them appart sometimes and there's a metal plate over the chips, the another plate under the keyboard, will it go higher you think if i put thermalpaste in between?
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xdviper said:
I'd love to see something like this as well. Sooner or later, we're going have to start installing heatsinks on to our phones.
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stevencpoynter said:
Just read this. Dude you're still a ****tard in my book. Running your mouth about dumb ****.
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1) You bump a year and a half old post.
2) You already replied to that user's post right after he first made it.
3) You post to bash on a user that hasn't had any activity on their account in 50 weeks.
Cry more. Your tears nourish me.

kbeezie said:
... After a year and a half you decide to reply to this? Were you just mulling over the words?
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lolz

agazza said:
I have two g2's, one runs perfectly @1.9ghz.
I picked them appart sometimes and there's a metal plate over the chips, the another plate under the keyboard, will it go higher you think if i put thermalpaste in between?
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man, i like your style!
this is a great idea.. but: plates must be very close to eachother, and it's unuseful if the plates are close to other parts themeselves; don't exceed with the paste: it must be a small quantity that, pressed, it expands itself close the the edges of the component
if it doesn't work, you can clean the paste with some alcool, using a cotton-fioc ( you know, these little cotton-sticks you can use to clean your ears )

skui said:
man, i like your style!
this is a great idea.. but: plates must be very close to eachother, and it's unuseful if the plates are close to other parts themeselves; don't exceed with the paste: it must be a small quantity that, pressed, it expands itself close the the edges of the component
if it doesn't work, you can clean the paste with some alcool, using a cotton-fioc ( you know, these little cotton-sticks you can use to clean your ears )
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They are. When winter comes I will update. Just remind me. And find me a kernel wich allows me to go past 1,9
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agazza said:
They are. When winter comes I will update. Just remind me. And find me a kernel wich allows me to go past 1,9
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..how about looking for some plates of different materials that dissipate better? of course, i don't know where to look and how much can it costs! just letting my mind go
i don't know what's the shape of those plates yet, but i saw a 3d with some videos about changing the springs of the dz, so i can learn it from there i think!
bye

Ubuntu! For Smartphones

Have you all seen this? I don't have a link handy. I'll get one later or if someone else has a link...
What do you all think?
Edit:
Android Polices coverage http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...on-of-its-os-just-for-your-pocket-superphone/
From ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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My bad

junpei1337 said:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
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That's not it. That's Ubuntu for Android. I'm talking about Ubuntu for Smartphones. I'll include links in the op
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Its actually http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone , watch the video.
And as I thought I posted earlier, I like some of the features but some seem like they could be annoying.

Theres also an app called Complete Linux Installer or something that lets you install an ISO on your Android
Its very good though, I've used it to install Backtrack for a forensics competition.
Thats pretty cool though, a desktop on the go

thronnos said:
Have you all seen this? I don't have a link handy. I'll get one later or if someone else has a link...
What do you all think?
Edit:
Android Polices coverage http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...on-of-its-os-just-for-your-pocket-superphone/
From ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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its nice, but not something id buy a smartphone over.
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Ubuntu
My shift will probably end up there as a handheld pc. I moved to a country of incompatible transmission standards anyhow, so it is basically that now. I only use a few apps and the wifi. It'd be nice to turn it into a true little computer. So there's one person in the excited column. :good:
While I am on the forum. I wanted to send a huge thanks to all the Rom developers, that continue to tinker for us, shift owners.

beekersavant said:
My shift will probably end up there as a handheld pc. I moved to a country of incompatible transmission standards anyhow, so it is basically that now. I only use a few apps and the wifi. It'd be nice to turn it into a true little computer. So there's one person in the excited column. :good:
While I am on the forum. I wanted to send a huge thanks to all the Rom developers, that continue to tinker for us, shift owners.
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Yeah I think it would be pretty cool to run. Hopefully dual-bootable, I'm kinda excited too lol
I do a lot of work on my phone that would be much easier on a pc-like environment

Shut up and take my money.

RavenSEAL said:
Shut up and take my money.
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Hopefully the OS will be free like the desktop version.
Sent from my awesome quad core potato!

YeledKaki said:
Hopefully the OS will be free like the desktop version.
Sent from my awesome quad core potato!
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It is, open source too

Interesting read on the timing of such an OS...
http://m.androidcentral.com/ubuntu-phone-s-time-now-not-2014
Still very intriguing.
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Sonkway said:
Interesting read on the timing of such an OS...
http://m.androidcentral.com/ubuntu-phone-s-time-now-not-2014
Still very intruiging(sp?).
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We have had alot of different mobile OS announced/released in the last few years(tizen, firefox, sailboat, fedora, even webOS) and all of them have still yet to make any type of splash. Windows has partners and phones on the market yet still struggles to make a large impact. It's going to be insanely hard for Ubuntu to do anything note worthy at this point.

Can't wait to fork it.

I'd really like to give it a go!

I can see it dying very quickly. Ubuntu is in the perfect spot to take over a large chunk of the desktop and instead they try to take away from Google .....
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jesuscash said:
I can see it dying very quickly. Ubuntu is in the perfect spot to take over a large chunk of the desktop and instead they try to take away from Google .....
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I see this actually getting popular, and let me tell you why. Assuming I haven't misunderstood anything, they are also releasing Ubuntu for Android as well. Now Google will likely update Android to match Ubuntu's features (which is essentially much better multi-tasking), this is a given. However, there are so many phones that are stuck on outdated versions of Android (or install not always stable/complete custom roms). As long as your phone (or tablet) is a dual core, you'll be able to install Ubuntu for Android and voila, you now have a proper multi-tasking OS.
That's all you'll need, you'll become accustom to Ubuntu on your phone and you will consider an Ubuntu phone as your next purchase. I am excited to see how this unfolds and I am very anxious to install Ubuntu for Android on my Android phone and tablet.

I'm actually excited for this. The OS itself looks nice, and not like any other thus far. I honestly think this will be a contender in the smartphone world. How many of us use ubuntu for developing? And anyone into custom android stuff would probably be excited to try it since it is new and different. I feel like even if it isnt going to be the next big thing, dev's and people that like simplicity are going to love this.

ubuntu?
yes! very excited, it will be awesome to see how it all plays out after it is out there!

I can't see Ubuntu phones taking a noticeable share of the market. Even I, a Ubuntu fan and early adopter, am not so keen to abandon Android to use a Ubuntu phone. However, it would be cool to try something new.

Android P's looks like a copy

Look how almost exact the Android P theme looks to Flux white theme in Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flux.white.substratum

Looks more like old TouchWiz to me
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browniegirl said:
Looks more like old TouchWiz to me
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Well that too lol

Cozzeck said:
Look how almost exact the Android P theme looks to Flux white theme in Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flux.white.substratum
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browniegirl said:
Looks more like old TouchWiz to me
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Cozzeck said:
Well that too lol
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Ugly no matter how you slice it! ????

Badger50 said:
Ugly no matter how you slice it! [emoji855][emoji27][emoji43][emoji43]
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Well that too lol
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Indeed, at least it's "fresh"
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browniegirl said:
Indeed, at least it's "fresh"
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Yep...5 years ago fresh on TW? ????

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Yep...5 years ago fresh on TW? [emoji16][emoji23][emoji16][emoji23]
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I know..I know, makes me cry too
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It does look very much like that theme. I don't think it looks like old TouchWiz though. Galaxy S3 and S5 I had I remember being very green on blue background.
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I hope they fix this crap or I'm staying on O

The amount of free advertising this theme is getting is absurd. 4 days of non stop threads and posts about it.

PieOfJustice said:
The amount of free advertising this theme is getting is absurd. 4 days of non stop threads and posts about it.
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Well said! :good::good:

mac796 said:
I hope they fix this crap or I'm staying on O
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Because of the looks? As long as it's functional and works fast, that's what should matter most.

EeZeEpEe said:
Because of the looks? As long as it's functional and works fast, that's what should matter most.
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If I wanted an I phone I would have bought one. N was completely functional.

mac796 said:
If I wanted an I phone I would have bought one. N was completely functional.
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?? EMUI is way more iPhone looking and functioning than Android P. The hate on the look is really not that serious to not update and stick with Oreo.

EeZeEpEe said:
?? EMUI is way more iPhone looking than Android P. The hate on the look is really not that serious.
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I just don't like the white. I hope substratum team can work there magic. I'm sure they will. As long as I can make it dark I can be happy.

Just for laughs... let's say this actually is the final design and look. It still goes right along with the rounded, colorful, flat, and simple Material Design that Google had implemented way back in 2014 for 5.0 Lollipop. So this argument of "copy" is invalid.
Also: Without Google there is no Android, and without Android there is no Substratum. Know your roots!

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The amount of free advertising this theme is getting is absurd. 4 days of non stop threads and posts about it.
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Think of all the people buying just to make their phone look like P. LOL

StrifeSoldierVII said:
You do realize that a good portion or some of the elements are most likely placeholder elements, right? With a really early preview there are always going to be missing features, themes, etc. This is essentially an Alpha release, which means maybe 0.01 percent of users will ever see this version in person.
An example of a placeholder would be how Amazon deals with video game release dates for games that have no official release window at the time. They like to use the "December 31" with 20XX year as a placeholder until the game has an official release date. Does that mean every game comes out on December 31st of every year? No. Many companies use placeholder text, images, and even themes until the final version/product is ready. The final product may look similar to early builds, but there is a lot of time between early stages and consumer release. Expect some changes, tweaks, and other visual elements in later versions at the very least.
Just for laughs, let's say this is the final design and look. It still goes along with the rounded, colorful, flat, and simple Material Design that Google had implemented way back in 2014 for 5.0 Lollipop. So this argument of "copy" is invalid.
Also: Without Google there is no Android, and without Android there is no Substratum. Know your roots!
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I realize it's the first. I didn't like O either. Thought Nougat was better. People just can't not like something. If the end product is anything close to this, it sucks in my opinion. And that's all it is my opinion. What I don't like you might love. And I remember the first preview of O. It didn't change much. Actually the preview was better. had more options.

mac796 said:
I realize it's the first. I didn't like O either. Thought Nougat was better. People just can't not like something. If the end product is anything close to this, it sucks in my opinion. And that's all it is my opinion. What I don't like you might love. And I remember the first preview of O. It didn't change much. Actually the preview was better. had more options.
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I wish more people would think like you! Trying to make one centralized theme that fits everyone is not going to happen. Some like colorful, some like dark, some like rounded, some like squared. Everything is all about choice, personal preference, and opinion. Same goes for smartphones... trying to make a device that has the look, feel, and features that will appeal to everyone is next to impossible. There will always be someone who disagrees, doesn't like, or prefers something else. It's human nature, and part of what makes us an individual. :good:

StrifeSoldierVII said:
I wish more people would think like you! Trying to make one centralized theme that fits everyone is not going to happen. Some like colorful, some like dark, some like rounded, some like squared. Everything is all about choice, personal preference, and opinion. Same goes for smartphones... trying to make a device that has the look, feel, and features that will appeal to everyone is next to impossible. There will always be someone who disagrees, doesn't like, or prefers something else. It's human nature, and part of what makes us an individual. :good:
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You're absolutely right and it seems Google's trying to take that away from us little by little going the iPhone route. I hope not