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I just wonder is it possible to disable USb charging in Nexus One
until now i have fond nothing about this
i rely need this because i plug my phone for tethering at work
and the battery is 100% already there should be an option for this
Not sure why you need this, when the phone is 100% it will stop charging and draw power from USB while plugged in, surely this is preferable to rapidly draining the battery while being tethered?
the problem that i am using the phone for 8H for tethering (all the work time)
and the device get toooo hot i want to stop the chargeing ntile the phone battery dry than i will charge it again
habibas said:
the device get toooo hot i want to stop the chargeing ntile the phone battery dry than i will charge it again
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From what I've seen from other threads on the subject of charging, doing what's practically a full drain and then charging again will not only create more heat but may also shorten the life of the Li-On battery.
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From what I've seen from other threads on the subject of charging, doing what's practically a full drain and then charging again will not only create more heat but may also shorten the life of the Li-On battery.
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It's not that making it 0% before charging it kills the battery life. The Lithium Ion battery's life cycle is poor and that's what it's infamous for. What makes it's life shorter is the amount of times you charge it. When you charge it all the time you're reducing the life of the battery greatly. This should help with that subject.
As far as disabling USB charging, I've never heard of it and I don't think it would be possible. If it is, that's great. My question is; why don't you use WIFI Tethering? You get the same results and you don't have to charge to use it.
If your phone gets hot while tethering, just use SetCPU to slow it down a bit... or maybe use a task killer to get rid of some of the background tasks. If your phone's already charged to 100% then it shouldn't get hot just from being plugged in.
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If your phone gets hot while tethering, just use SetCPU to slow it down a bit... or maybe use a task killer to get rid of some of the background tasks. If your phone's already charged to 100% then it shouldn't get hot just from being plugged in.
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SetCPU wont have any effect on this because the battery is what is getting hot from charging.
I still don't understand why people even use SetCPU anyways.
Couldn't you modify a USB cable and clip the power wires? I know it might be a hassle but it would be a sure fire way to keep it from charging and I believe the data connection would still work. That way you could have a true data only cable.
Yatyas said:
Couldn't you modify a USB cable and clip the power wires? I know it might be a hassle but it would be a sure fire way to keep it from charging and I believe the data connection would still work. That way you could have a true data only cable.
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Sounds like a good idea. I might try that out.
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I still don't understand why people even use SetCPU anyways.
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I've found that it almost doubles my battery lifetime by reducing the CPU speed when the phoneis on standby to almost minimum... Otherwise my phone doesnt last all day (from 8am to 1am)... It is actually one of the most useful apps on the nexus for me at the moment...
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I still don't understand why people even use SetCPU anyways.
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Why not? Throttling my max clock while in standby and setting a max clock on under 40% battery, has helped me increase my battery life about 2-4 hours every day...
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Why not? Throttling my max clock while in standby and setting a max clock on under 40% battery, has helped me increase my battery life about 2-4 hours every day...
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I've found that it almost doubles my battery lifetime by reducing the CPU speed when the phoneis on standby to almost minimum... Otherwise my phone doesnt last all day (from 8am to 1am)... It is actually one of the most useful apps on the nexus for me at the moment...
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Most people misunderstand how a processor works. Your phone automatically idles at 386mhz. Setting a MAX does nothing but limit the availability. A 1ghz processor doesn't run at 1ghz consistently. A 1ghz processor just means that 1ghz is available. If your phone is sleeping then it's not using very much at all. The only reasonable change would be to change your MAX to something lower for Screen On or setting the MAX to like 100mhz for screen off. Other than that, you make no changes.
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From what I've seen from other threads on the subject of charging, doing what's practically a full drain and then charging again will not only create more heat but may also shorten the life of the Li-On battery.
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actually, that's a good thing to do. It's called battery calibration, and you should do it once monthly. Look at the links to get detailed info:
eastwoodzhao.com/maintaining-and-calibrating-a-laptop-battery-pack/
h20239.www2.hp.com/techcenter/battery/Battery_max.htm
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actually, that's a good thing to do. It's called battery calibration, and you should do it once monthly. Look at the links to get detailed info:
eastwoodzhao.com/maintaining-and-calibrating-a-laptop-battery-pack/
h20239.www2.hp.com/techcenter/battery/Battery_max.htm
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Yes, but not more often than that (I've heard numbers like every 50 cycles (~2 months)). Unlike other types of batteries, LiIon batteries do not like the full discharge / full recharge cycle.
Take the battery out. The phone will run off of USB power only. It works with my old G1. I haven't tried with my nexus though.
USB Connect without charging Galaxy S
I just tried 'snipping' the power wire (Red) on a USB cable, now nothing happens when connecting the cable, it's as if the devices (Samsung Galaxy S and Nokia E72) need the power line to connect for data transfer.
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actually, that's a good thing to do. It's called battery calibration, and you should do it once monthly. Look at the links to get detailed info:
eastwoodzhao.com/maintaining-and-calibrating-a-laptop-battery-pack/
h20239.www2.hp.com/techcenter/battery/Battery_max.htm
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in fact that's not a good a thing to do, the worst ennemies for liion batteries are heat and voltage stress.
voltage stress results from either full charge or full discharge , the optimal charging pattern is 10% - 90% (but partial charges in between are of no harm at all)
by all means try to avoid full battery drain and/or keeping charger plugged after full charge.
following these guidelines you should more than double you battery life span
I noticed that after unplugging my phone when it said it was fully charged the battery immediatley dropped to 97%. I found a thread in the Vibrant forum with people talking about their Vibrants doing the exact same thing. No one seemed to know what was causing it. Is anyone else seeing this with their phone? Should I be concerned?
it's normal on a Samsung phone. There is no fix. Sorry for the bad news.
*previous Vibrant owner*
Thanks for the reply. It doesn't bother me as long as it's normal, just wanted to make sure nothing was wrong.
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Thanks for the reply. It doesn't bother me as long as it's normal, just wanted to make sure nothing was wrong.
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Yep. From my experience I've discovered the following:
1. Keep it on charger for a extra 1 or 2 hour.
2. Charge it while off.
And you won't see that drop again. If you do one of those things.
It's normal on every mobile phone.
Here's an explanation.
Read this article, and it will help you understand why.
Dont know why someone would blame samsung....
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
Bump Charge
PrisonerOfDoom said:
I noticed that after unplugging my phone when it said it was fully charged the battery immediatley dropped to 97%. I found a thread in the Vibrant forum with people talking about their Vibrants doing the exact same thing. No one seemed to know what was causing it. Is anyone else seeing this with their phone? Should I be concerned?
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It is normal, it was designed to do that to prevent your battery from burning out sooner thus giving you shorter battery life in the long run.
If you want to truly charge to 100 percent, you bump it. Meaning when it says fully charged(its lying to you), pull out the usb charger, then plug it back in. When it says 100 percent again, pull out the charger, put it right back in, let it charge a few mins more. Keep doing this till you get bored. Doing this bumping technique will truly charge it to 100 percent, and it won't fall so quickly, but it burns your battery supposedly in the long run.
There was an article about it. Google bump charging battery, or something like that.
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lol nevermind I see the people above posted the links.
SamsungVibrant said:
It is normal, it was designed to do that to prevent your battery from burning out sooner thus giving you shorter battery life in the long run.
If you want to truly charge to 100 percent, you bump it. Meaning when it says fully charged(its lying to you), pull out the usb charger, then plug it back in. When it says 100 percent again, pull out the charger, put it right back in, let it charge a few mins more. Keep doing this till you get bored. Doing this bumping technique will truly charge it to 100 percent, and it won't fall so quickly, but it burns your battery supposedly in the long run.
There was an article about it. Google bump charging battery, or something like that.
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lol nevermind I see the people above posted the links.
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Yup -- once the battery reaches full capacity the charger stops (to avoid undue wear on the battery). The battery will discharge down to ~90% before the charger kicks in again.
On Nexus One we were able to run off of wall power once the battery was charged, significantly reducing the speed at which the battery discharged once full, and improving the chances of it being 99-100% when you took it off the charger. Nexus S has a different charge circuit configuration which does not allow it to operate in this mode.
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Read this article, and it will help you understand why.
Dont know why someone would blame samsung....
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
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If it's a Samsung phone, it's the norm to blame Samsung. Not Google and Samsung, just Samsung. I know, it doesn't make any sense to me either.
ram130 said:
Yep. From my experience I've discovered the following:
1. Keep it on charger for a extra 1 or 2 hour.
2. Charge it while off.
And you won't see that drop again. If you do one of those things.
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I have found the same result on my Vibrant. Also my Nexus S is doing the same thiing.
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Yup -- once the battery reaches full capacity the charger stops (to avoid undue wear on the battery). The battery will discharge down to ~90% before the charger kicks in again.
On Nexus One we were able to run off of wall power once the battery was charged, significantly reducing the speed at which the battery discharged once full, and improving the chances of it being 99-100% when you took it off the charger. Nexus S has a different charge circuit configuration which does not allow it to operate in this mode.
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As always, we greatly appreciate you posting here and giving us almost an inside look at things.
I'm very impressed with the battery life on the Nexus S, personally!
swetland said:
Yup -- once the battery reaches full capacity the charger stops (to avoid undue wear on the battery). The battery will discharge down to ~90% before the charger kicks in again.
On Nexus One we were able to run off of wall power once the battery was charged, significantly reducing the speed at which the battery discharged once full, and improving the chances of it being 99-100% when you took it off the charger. Nexus S has a different charge circuit configuration which does not allow it to operate in this mode.
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Do we know what fuel gauge chip is in the nexus s battery, and what driver its using? Check my sig to see what we did to the nexus one battery chip and driver...
Anyone else have a funky "Battery Use" screen?
Check out the attached image. What is up with the "Battery Use" screen? Anyone elses like that? It isn't my phone, because the problem is only at the "Battery Use" screen.
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Check out the attached image. What is up with the "Battery Use" screen? Anyone elses like that? It isn't my phone, because the problem is only at the "Battery Use" screen.
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care to elaborate whats funky?
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care to elaborate whats funky?
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I hate that new Thanks button. I always accidentally click it when trying to quote.
That said, see the top part of the screen. It shouldn't be like that... should it?! My Vibrant wasn't like that.
Mine's the same way. Click on it, its like a graph
Ya its handy and normal
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Mine's the same way. Click on it, its like a graph
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LOL! I just clicked on it right before I read your post and now I feel like a moron.
Thanks for the help.
battery wont charge to 100%
I was wondering if anyone else was having a problem charging their Nexus S to 100%. I have recalibrated it by draining it then charging it while its off for about 8 hours.
Ever since I first got it would only go to 97%. I also tried to delete the batterystats.bin file and that's not working either.
If I bring it back to Best Buy should I relock the bootloader and get a new one or will they replace just the battery for me?
Thanks
I'm having this issue as well and am wondering whether or not this a prevalent or not.
I have read conflicting articles on increasing the battery life of Lithium-ion batteries (the ones used in Nexus 10). Most of the Lithium ion batteries have a lifespan of 300-400 charge/discharge cycles. From my understanding, this means that it is bad to fully discharge the batteries and then recharge them as it reduces from the above mentioned lifespan and it is better to top-off the battery often as possible.
In fact there was an article that I read on Cnet specifically for the iPad (I'm not allowed to post outside links for some reason, google: "ipad keep plugged in" and the first article in the search result) , where they recommend to keep the iPad plugged-in whenever possible to increase the battery life.
I use my Nexus 10 a lot at house. So, Is it better to keep it plugged-in all that time?
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I have read conflicting articles on increasing the battery life of Lithium-ion batteries (the ones used in Nexus 10). Most of the Lithium ion batteries have a lifespan of 300-400 charge/discharge cycles. From my understanding, this means that it is bad to fully discharge the batteries and then recharge them as it reduces from the above mentioned lifespan and it is better to top-off the battery often as possible.
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This is correct.
In fact there was an article that I read on Cnet specifically for the iPad (I'm not allowed to post outside links for some reason, google: "ipad keep plugged in" and the first article in the search result) , where they recommend to keep the iPad plugged-in whenever possible to increase the battery life.
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The life span of LiIon/LiPoly batteries is also reduced when the battery is at or near 100% for a prolonged time. Don't think too much about it, just use the N10 and recharge it often. I usually try to plug it back in around the 70% mark.
It's also quite easy to open up the tablet, you only need a screwdriver and a plastic prying tool and then you can change the battery yourself, if it ever should become necessary (unlikely, unless you plan to use it for ~5 years).
> http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/2012/11/16/google-nexus-10-take-apart-first-look
i don't care about it... i leave it plugged whenever i can
chances are, those who take "good care" of their battery may end up with 10% more life in 2 years.... and frankly, i couldn't care less about that
not worth the hassle of worrying about batteries anymore
Best practice actually is to drain to 40% and charge up to 80%. Dropping to 90% and charging back up to 100% a bunch is still bad for your battery, as is leaving it plugged in over night when it reached 100% long before you wake up.
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Best practice actually is to drain to 40% and charge up to 80%. Dropping to 90% and charging back up to 100% a bunch is still bad for your battery, as is leaving it plugged in over night when it reached 100% long before you wake up.
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It stops charging upon reaching 100%.
Its hard to follow those instructions when your out 24 hours a day, or maybe you just want to use your tablet
Don't worry about doing extra stuff.. like the user said I could careless..
Just don't let your device die, charge it once it hit like 15%..
Saying charge your device once it at 70% is like only driving your car for 5miles and putting it back in the garage and walk the rest of the way..
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Saying charge your device once it at 70% is like only driving your car for 5miles and putting it back in the garage and walk the rest of the way..
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I didn't say you have to do that. If it's possible I recharge early, if not I just use it anyway.
Doesn't really matter too much since the battery can be exchanged rather easily if it ever comes to that.
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It stops charging upon reaching 100%.
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Yes, and then it drains a bit and goes back to charging, over and over the rest of the night.
I've read that Li-ion batteries don't like "deep cycles", that is, fully dischanging then fully charging, because this shortens the battery's life. Also that it's not good to have it at 100% for a prolonged time. So it would be best to always have the device partially charged, plugging it if below 50% and unplugging at 90%. When the battery reaches 90% some phones even notify you that "the battery is full, and you can disconnect from charger"
Source: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Good day,
For the new battery owners and frequent questions of charging and prolonging/maintaining your battery.
Here are some information from other websites. Just for the sake of laziness and Google-ing :highfive:
I know most of you guys already knows this. Yes, I know. These are reminders that you should.
Please do not flame or criticize my thread. I am just here to help. Thank you!
1.) It's not necessary to charge over 12 hours when first used. When a device powered by batteries is purchased, sellers will usually tell us the batteries must first be charged 12 hours before using. Actually, this is unnecessary. Unlike common Ni-CD or Ni-MH batteries, most lithium ion batteries have been activated before leaving the factory. Due to its low self-discharge, it’s unnecessary to charge lithium ion battery for such a long time when new. Lithium ion batteries are ready for use after the charger indicates so, and it will reach its best capacity after 3 or 5 cycles
2.) Don’t use an inappropriate charger. Many people care greatly about their electronic gadgets, but often neglect the consequences of bad chargers on their lithium ion batteries. When choosing a charger, the original charger is the best choice. If that's unavailable, a high quality charger that has an over charge protection function, or a brand name charger will do. A low quality battery charger can lead to shorter run times, premature battery failure, or even cause a fire or explosion.
3.) Avoid touching metal contacts. All batteries' contacts need to be kept clean for best performance. Do not let battery contacts touch metal objects such as keys when carrying them around, it can cause a short circuit, damaging the battery or potentially resulting in a fire or an explosion.
4.) Avoid often use in high or low temperature environment. Lithium ion batteries have an optimal working and storage temperature. If they're continually used an extreme temperature environment, it will negatively affect the lithium ion battery’s use time and useful cycles.
5.) Avoid long time without use or recharge. If you don't need to use your personal electronic gadgets for a long time where the lithium ion battery might be to left unused for 3 months or more, partially recharge the lithium ion battery, then store the device (recharge the battery to around 30-70% of capacity, depending on storage time) to prevent battery damage. You may need to take the device out of storage and charge again after a few months.
6.) Avoid use lithium ion battery which is hot after being fully charged. Temperatures can be very high after the battery is freshly recharged. If you use it immediately, the electronic gadget’s internal temperature will rise, and can negatively affect the device's electronic components.
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XDA Users' Recommendation:
@apallohadas
DO NOT turn off your phone to charge the battery. This is completely unnecessary as the protection is built into the battery, not the phone.
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@adytum
Nice thread, and thank god you didn't mention anything about wiping battery stats
To prevent confusion, I suggest you remove the part about overcharging in case of lacking overcharge protection, since practically every phone has it, and thus prevent the type of semantic discussion that was going on here.
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@m4xwellmurd3r
I wanted to add that I think the reason people think they need to charge the phone, then turn it off and charge it more and repeat comes from older android phones. The OG Evo was very bad with its battery stats and even if the phone was discharging it would continue to state 100% when it was plugged in. A bad cable caused my girlfriends phone to drain low enough that it couldnt be charged in the phone because the os never thought it was below 100%.
The old evo would shut off its charge circuit at 100% and kick it back on at 90%, but never show that it had discharged any. This resulted in massive percieved drain after unplugging the phone.
By charging it to 100 while on, unplugging and turning off, then charging back up while off, and repeating the process till the charging to charged indicator had a shortened delay, the battery would last longer because it calibrated not the battery, but androids internal battery states that indicated what its true 100% mark was.
But the systems ability to learn what voltages indicate 100% and 0% have become much better from what I can tell, and using that outdated method to force android to learn the min max points is now pointless.
The other issue was the old evo didnt trickle charge. From 100% it totally kicked the charge circuit off, and at 90% kicked it back on, while never reporting anything below 100% when the cable was plugged in.
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Question:
If I am not going to use my battery for a long period of time, what should I do?
Answer:
Be sure the battery is above 40%
Put the battery in an air sealed zip locked bag and place it inside the refrigerator but not the freezer!
This will slow down the deterioration of the battery.
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I would add:
DO NOT turn off your phone to charge the battery. This is completely unnecessary as the protection is built into the battery, not the phone.
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I would add:
DO NOT turn off your phone to charge the battery. This is completely unnecessary as the protection is built into the battery, not the phone.
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Thanks. Added to the OP.
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Thanks. Added to the OP.
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Define over charging
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Define over charging
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Continuous charging of the battery after it reaches full charge.
Generally, overcharging will have a harmful influence on the performance of the battery which could lead to unsafe conditions.
It should therefore be avoided.
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Continuous charging of the battery after it reaches full charge.
Generally, overcharging will have a harmful influence on the performance of the battery which could lead to unsafe conditions.
It should therefore be avoided.
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Not to belittle the intent of the contribution and all, but you contradict yourself, and the majority of the info provided is completely inapplicable to the application.
It's dismaying to see battery technology reduced to superstitious ritual.
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G.Reaper said:
Not to belittle the intent of the contribution and all, but you contradict yourself, and the majority of the info provided is completely inapplicable to the application.
It's dismaying to see battery technology reduced to superstitious ritual.
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I'm actually trying to get out of the ritual.
G.Reaper said:
Not to belittle the intent of the contribution and all, but you contradict yourself, and the majority of the info provided is completely inapplicable to the application.
It's dismaying to see battery technology reduced to superstitious ritual.
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Actually, the majority is pretty spot on and does much to get people away from the rituals of draining batteries unnecessarily and other practices meant for other battery technologies.
You could be helpful by constructively adding, you know.
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Actually, the majority is pretty spot on and does much to get people away from the rituals of draining batteries unnecessarily and other practices meant for other battery technologies.
You could be helpful by constructively adding, you know.
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Just because you asked so nicely.
Simone said:
2.) Don’t use an inappropriate charger. Many people care greatly about their electronic gadgets, but often neglect the consequences of bad chargers on their lithium ion batteries. When choosing a charger, the original charger is the best choice. If that's unavailable, a high quality charger that has an over charge protection function, or a brand name charger will do. A low quality battery charger can lead to shorter run times, premature battery failure, or even cause a fire or explosion.
3.) Avoid frequently over charging. Over charging with a low quality charger may let the battery's interior rise to a high temperature, which is bad for the lithium ion battery and charger. Thus, simply fully charging is good enough - overcharging will make your lithium battery into a little bomb if over charge protection function is missing.
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Continuous charging of the battery after it reaches full charge.
Generally, overcharging will have a harmful influence on the performance of the battery which could lead to unsafe conditions.
It should therefore be avoided.
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are at odds.
I'd be interested to see your source(s) for the charging behavior of the integrated circuitry once the battery is full and the negative impacts thereof. I'm not saying that overcharging a cell isn't bad. But the battery in your phone has ic, regulating the exposure to the cell. Meaning that given that self-discharge is a characteristic of Li ion batteries, overcharge doesn't seem to be a likely concern.
Additionally, if the protection ic is in the battery, why would you need a charger with built in charge protection? This is info from hobby cells, which are bare Li ion cells. You really think the usb wall wart samsung ships you is anything more than an ac to dc, step down voltage converter? I'm open to evidence to the contrary.
The danger in Li ion is typically in in over discharge, and in charging too quickly, resulting in a cycle of increasing uncontrolled internal resistance, potentially causing combustion. The charge rate should be protected by the battery's ic, and as the battery will say it's empty before breaching the threshold of damaging discharge, it just translates to "don't leave the thing alone in a drawer for a long time with no charge", which you effectively covered.
And what's not mentioned, is that no matter what you do, no matter the obsessive charging ritual you observe, current Li ion technologies will see a roughly 10% decrease in performance per year.
Don't worry about your battery and charge it as much as you want over charge it at night. Then buy a new one a year later after that one you will have a new phone. No worries.
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dazza7111 said:
Don't worry about your battery and charge it as much as you want over charge it at night. Then buy a new one a year later after that one you will have a new phone. No worries.
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Exactly!
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Just because you asked so nicely.
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I ask because it's easier to be sarcastic on the internet than to be helpful.
I'd be interested to see your source(s) for the charging behavior of the integrated circuitry once the battery is full and the negative impacts thereof. I'm not saying that overcharging a cell isn't bad. But the battery in your phone has ic, regulating the exposure to the cell. Meaning that given that self-discharge is a characteristic of Li ion batteries, overcharge doesn't seem to be a likely concern.
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Normally I would agree, but some of the overcharging advice I've seen here includes charging the phone to full, then shutting it off, and letting it charge for hours longer. All in an attempt to circumvent safeguards. Weird yes, ritualistic, sure, will Samsung get blamed if the battery melts? Definitely.
Pretty good article on Lithium based batteries:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
The danger in Li ion is typically in in over discharge, and in charging too quickly, resulting in a cycle of increasing uncontrolled internal resistance, potentially causing combustion. The charge rate should be protected by the battery's ic, and as the battery will say it's empty before breaching the threshold of damaging discharge, it just translates to "don't leave the thing alone in a drawer for a long time with no charge", which you effectively covered.
And what's not mentioned, is that no matter what you do, no matter the obsessive charging ritual you observe, current Li ion technologies will see a roughly 10% decrease in performance per year.
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And what you said fairly agrees with the article. (Depending on charging habits of course.)
apallohadas said:
Normally I would agree, but some of the overcharging advice I've seen here includes charging the phone to full, then shutting it off, and letting it charge for hours longer. All in an attempt to circumvent safeguards. Weird yes, ritualistic, sure, will Samsung get blamed if the battery melts? Definitely.
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That won't really do anything. Logically, if the phone's off, there won't be a load on the battery, thus it's free to charge at the maximum rate as controlled by the ic. But, that doesn't mean it'll end up any different at 100% from charging with the phone on.
Again I reference the fact that the battery contains the control circuitry, not the phone.
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That won't really do anything. Logically, if the phone's off, there won't be a load on the battery, thus it's free to charge at the maximum rate as controlled by the ic. But, that doesn't mean it'll end up any different at 100% from charging with the phone on.
Again I reference the fact that the battery contains the control circuitry, not the phone.
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I don't recall saying anything to the contrary.
apallohadas said:
I don't recall saying anything to the contrary.
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You wrote "DO NOT turn off the phone while charging" - it doesn't matter whether you do or not.
Anyway, my point was just that points 2 and 3 are wrong given the application and should be omitted as they taint the rest of the information.
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You wrote "DO NOT turn off the phone while charging" - it doesn't matter whether you do or not.
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I responded directly to your statement:
you said:
Again I reference the fact that the battery contains the control circuitry, not the phone.
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At least attempt to not misquote me. It's like you argue just to argue even when in agreement.
If you don't like the thread, rate it 1 star and just keep on moving.
That simple.
G.Reaper said:
I'd be interested to see your source(s) for the charging behavior of the integrated circuitry once the battery is full and the negative impacts thereof. I'm not saying that overcharging a cell isn't bad. But the battery in your phone has ic, regulating the exposure to the cell. Meaning that given that self-discharge is a characteristic of Li ion batteries, overcharge doesn't seem to be a likely concern.
Additionally, if the protection ic is in the battery, why would you need a charger with built in charge protection? This is info from hobby cells, which are bare Li ion cells. You really think the usb wall wart samsung ships you is anything more than an ac to dc, step down voltage converter? I'm open to evidence to the contrary.
The danger in Li ion is typically in in over discharge, and in charging too quickly, resulting in a cycle of increasing uncontrolled internal resistance, potentially causing combustion. The charge rate should be protected by the battery's ic, and as the battery will say it's empty before breaching the threshold of damaging discharge, it just translates to "don't leave the thing alone in a drawer for a long time with no charge", which you effectively covered.
And what's not mentioned, is that no matter what you do, no matter the obsessive charging ritual you observe, current Li ion technologies will see a roughly 10% decrease in performance per year.
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I second that. Android devices en mass use integrated chargers and protected batteries. In that case using cheap charger could possibly demage buildin charger rather than battery itself.
And almost all wall chargers for phone and tablets are simple power source. An modern one with ac-dc IC regulators but still act as ordinary power source.
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dazza7111 said:
Don't worry about your battery and charge it as much as you want over charge it at night. Then buy a new one a year later after that one you will have a new phone. No worries.
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I agree 100%.
Although most advices in the OP are correct I don't agree there is a thing like "overcharging" - there is a circuity to prevent charging when the battery is fully charged.
So avoid myths, just use your device, batteries are not that expensive
Hello, so I just got a new Moto X style about a month ago, I need your advice from something, should I charge my phone at 30-40%? if yes then will it have long term damage/worn out my phone?
Thank you
The golden rules are
Don't ever go below 10%
The battery is happiest (most chemically stable) around 40%
Try to spend as little time above 90% as practically possible, especially when charging/using the device. This means never leaving the device plugged overnight
Avoid heat i.e., Do not overtax the phone in an environment like a small, hot room; Avoid simultaneous charging/GPS in the car with the phone in direct sunlight
To combine the last two items, especially avoid high temperatures at higher battery levels. This will degrade the battery very quickly
I've also read stuff about the discharge depth. Something to the tune of discharging the battery from 80% to 60% before charging is better than discharging from 80% to 40% before charging. I've never paid that much attention, because nobody wants to charge their phone 3 times a day, but apparently topping up is better than charging from near empty.
I've had my Pure for a little more than 6 months now. I have been consistently plugging in when my battery hits 30%. My battery life is as good as it has always been.
QuantumFluxx said:
The golden rules are
Don't ever go below 10%
The battery is happiest (most chemically stable) around 40%
Try to spend as little time above 90% as practically possible, especially when charging/using the device. This means never leaving the device plugged overnight
Avoid heat i.e., Do not overtax the phone in an environment like a small, hot room; Avoid simultaneous charging/GPS in the car with the phone in direct sunlight
To combine the last two items, especially avoid high temperatures at higher battery levels. This will degrade the battery very quickly
I've also read stuff about the discharge depth. Something to the tune of discharging the battery from 80% to 60% before charging is better than discharging from 80% to 40% before charging. I've never paid that much attention, because nobody wants to charge their phone 3 times a day, but apparently topping up is better than charging from near empty.
I've had my Pure for a little more than 6 months now. I have been consistently plugging in when my battery hits 30%. My battery life is as good as it has always been.
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IMO charging overnight dont do anything to the battery, phone stops charging at 100% and start to use energy from the charger, but im with you with the 10%.
I think all these "rules" are all just bunk and superstition... If you make it through the day, plug it in overnight, and start again in the morning, if not when the battery is low, charge it when it is convenient, don't be scared of "overcharging" as that isn't really possible anymore with electronics in batteries and devices. The device is meant to be used, not babied.
These lion lipm battery do not actually ever charge to their full capacity. This is by design so 100 % is really around 80 in reality and 0 is around 8 to 10%. Again this is by design the chipset monitors the battery temperature and charge load as well as discharge load and compensates for heat and load. All this crap about charging at different rates and in different situations is bunk written by people that don't realize battery design is constantly changing. And since quick charge 1 things have changed a ton.
RK2116 said:
IMO charging overnight dont do anything to the battery, phone stops charging at 100% and start to use energy from the charger, but im with you with the 10%.
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Sooo does this mean I can charge my phone over night using the Turbo charger 25W that comes with the phone?
acejavelin said:
I think all these "rules" are all just bunk and superstition... If you make it through the day, plug it in overnight, and start again in the morning, if not when the battery is low, charge it when it is convenient, don't be scared of "overcharging" as that isn't really possible anymore with electronics in batteries and devices. The device is meant to be used, not babied.
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So does this mean i can charge it over night with the turbo charger?
HerySean said:
So does this mean i can charge it over night with the turbo charger?
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Yes
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Yes
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HerySean said:
Sooo does this mean I can charge my phone over night using the Turbo charger 25W that comes with the phone?
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Yes.
I won't argue with anyone here, but I would advise all of you to research lithium ion battery technology. The OP asked how to prevent long term damage to his battery. My friend and I bought our Pure's at the same time. I charge the way that I indicated, he leaves his phone plugged in all night, every night. We're both on Verizon, and I've noticed that his battery drains much more quickly than mine does.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Take care, all.
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I won't argue with anyone here, but I would advise all of you to research lithium ion battery technology. The OP asked how to prevent long term damage to his battery. My friend and I bought our Pure's at the same time. I charge the way that I indicated, he leaves his phone plugged in all night, every night. We're both on Verizon, and I've noticed that his battery drains much more quickly than mine does.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Take care, all.
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Have you verified that he is running exactly the same apps as you with exactly the same service throughout the day. If not then your supposing that charging is the issue is simply a guess. The only way to determine exactly would be a to set them up exactly the same and run them exactly the same in exactly the same conditions for a week or more and log the battery life..
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Have you verified that he is running exactly the same apps as you with exactly the same service throughout the day. If not then your supposing that charging is the issue is simply a guess. The only way to determine exactly would be a to set them up exactly the same and run them exactly the same in exactly the same conditions for a week or more and log the battery life..
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I run more than he does. He is older, and does not use social media. I use FB/Messenger, Snapchat, Twitter, and Instagram with push notifications enabled. Our standby battery drains are very different from 100%. His device hits 90 while mine is reading 94. The devices are physically next to one another. I only know this because he's at my house every weekend. He always plugs my phone in when he plugs in his even though I've told him not to a hundred times. There are probably other factors involved, but I always attributed the difference to him constantly leaving his phone plugged in for hours on end.
Have you looked at his screen timeout? Screen brightness. Or checked to see if he has a misbehaving app? Does he have wifi at his house ? Or is his doing all it's updates at your place? See there are tons of variables that have nothing to do with charging that are simply more likely to be causing the issue you are noticing
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Have you looked at his screen timeout? Screen brightness. Or checked to see if he has a misbehaving app? Does he have wifi at his house ? Or is his doing all it's updates at your place? See there are tons of variables that have nothing to do with charging that are simply more likely to be causing the issue you are noticing
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I mean, I wouldn't describe what I'm observing as an 'issue'. I understand where you're coming from though. I have gone to war against errant battery drains in the past. Lollipop/Marshmallow's mobile radio drain is something I surely won't miss. He does have Wifi at his house for app updates and such.
Just for the clarity's sake, we're talking about:
2 identical devices, running the same version of Android and the same ROM, which are connected to the same mobile and wifi networks, in the same physical location - so service quality is not a variable, unless there is a hardware issue. Both devices are [simultaneously] charged to 100%, and then they are unplugged and their screens remain off. Upon checking both devices a little while later, mine is at 94% while his is at 90%. My device is encrypted, rooted, has custom kernel settings relating to the governor, read ahead, and entropy, and runs various GCM social/messaging apps, and has an extensive Tasker setup. His device is untouched. Both devices have been fully drained and recharged at least once in the past 60 days.
I have looked at his battery usage, which I log with 3C Toolbox. There is no excessive drain from any apps, the cell radio, the kernel, etc...
Regardless of what is causing it, the observable evidence is curious.
QuantumFluxx said:
I won't argue with anyone here, but I would advise all of you to research lithium ion battery technology. The OP asked how to prevent long term damage to his battery. My friend and I bought our Pure's at the same time. I charge the way that I indicated, he leaves his phone plugged in all night, every night. We're both on Verizon, and I've noticed that his battery drains much more quickly than mine does.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Take care, all.
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Not saying you are wrong, but the scenario you give is at best circumstantial with the given info. It does not account for other factors such as apps installed, network connectivity, how the phone is being used, etc.
Screen brightness can drastically change how long until you have to recharge. Mine is usually only 1/4 of the way up.