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So I know there have been tons of threads regarding light bleed in the Transformer but what I'm wondering is if the issue has gotten any better with the newer units. My 45 day return window at Best Buy is coming up and I'm trying to decide what to do. I have some light bleeding on the bottom right of my unit, but it only really bothers me in dark rooms. However since my wife tries not to use lights very much in our house, most rooms are dark. I haven't had any other issues, and I would only consider exchanging it if I knew that the newer ones have gotten better on this front. I got mine in mid May and I assume they've had numerous shipments since then. Have the new models gotten any better on the defect front?

I just bought one yesterday and I am taking it back today. Mine has some separation between the glass and bezel as if it were dropped in shipping or something. I also notice very minor light bleed only at the bottom about middle area so I would say that most likely this issue hasn't been resolved but I am afraid the new one I get tonight will be worse.
I will post up tonight when i get the new one and let you know if it has any bleed....most likely it will. Even the display models at 2 different Best Buys has it. I got mine from Office Depot so that is three different stores all with light bleed issues.

I got mine last month from Best Buy online and it's fine. No bleeding, no creaking, no problems of any kind (except the occasional PEBKAC issue )

I have no problems as ofyet
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So it's still a crap-shoot?

Just got mine from NewEgg for $389/fs. So far, no issues. It's a black-sealed, Serial# B60 model. I can't detect any light-bleed, no creaks/cracks. Only had it a few minutes, but all seems well. It was packaged very well from NE with peanuts in a large box. I can't detect issues with the speakers either.
It had Android 3.1 preinstalled.
Also, it has all my phone (EVO) apps installed within minutes ... not sure if that's new to Google or something, but never had that before. It did it automatically when I signed in to Google.

doolyd said:
I just bought one yesterday and I am taking it back today. Mine has some separation between the glass and bezel as if it were dropped in shipping or something. I also notice very minor light bleed only at the bottom about middle area so I would say that most likely this issue hasn't been resolved but I am afraid the new one I get tonight will be worse.
I will post up tonight when i get the new one and let you know if it has any bleed....most likely it will. Even the display models at 2 different Best Buys has it. I got mine from Office Depot so that is three different stores all with light bleed issues.
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what was the serial number of yours...b6?

Bought mine in Singapore last week, no problems whatsoever. Is from the recent manufactured batch, B60K serial, TW firmware. Love it, no regrets!

Bought mine Saturday at Compusa , went B&M in case I had to take it back. i have a slight amount of light bleed at the bottom middle right. Not sure if I'll take it back, it doesn't really bother me, but I did just pay for a new product so it should be perfect right?

I returned my first one due to a dead pixel and minor light bleed in the bottom middle of the screen. I just got my new one in yesterday and I can not find a single issue with it. Serial number b60.
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rbusch said:
Bought mine in Singapore last week, no problems whatsoever. Is from the recent manufactured batch, B60K serial, TW firmware. Love it, no regrets!
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Mine was B60K as well. In case the letter after the number changes at all.

krighton said:
what was the serial number of yours...b6?
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Yes the one I got yesterday was a serial b6. The one I got today is a b5.
They both have\had very slight light bleed (at the bottom) but I think I can deal with it.
This new b5 is a little worse than the b6 but almost not so much to really even bring it up, but I will. So I would say that it is a crap shoot which sucks. I turned it on at the store but it wasn't dark enough to see the problem. I have seen some that are very bad that I couldn't live with but both I have had I could/will live with; unless they get worse over time.

redshirt72 said:
Bought mine Saturday at Compusa , went B&M in case I had to take it back. i have a slight amount of light bleed at the bottom middle right. Not sure if I'll take it back, it doesn't really bother me, but I did just pay for a new product so it should be perfect right?
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I would normally agree with your logic about it being perfect, but with these IPS screens it's very hard to totally do away with the light bleed. Even the iPad2, as much as Apple praises their build quality, has light bleed. Mine did and so did my wife's.
Hell, my 46" Samsung LCD has some light bleed in the corners (we refer to them as "flashights").
I think if you get a TF with minimal light bleed, mine is very small at the bottom, you are doing well.

So mine is a B40K series. It sounds like if I can find a B60K series it might be worth it to exchange?
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I am going to take my in for a replacement @ Fry's tomorrow as well! If I call ahead of time...will they tell me if they have a B60 in stock? =/ Seems like there are more success stories with the B60...I have light bleeding out all over the bottom...and on the left.

Some people doesn't seem to know what light bleeding is, so i will not believe anyone saying their TF is just perfect without seeing actual pictures of the screen, in max brightness and low light.
That happend on other forums a lot, and after explanations a lot of them admitted that they were wrong.
Same thing with unbalanced speakers, creaking, screen responsiveness etc.
Or... maybe not all of you there are as perfectionists as some of us are, and that's fine. But don't make us envy your perfect products.
Mine (B5) also has one light bleeding spot on the middle bottom (about an inch from the edge) and the screen responsiveness isn't as great s on SGS II or iPad2 (or maybe it's Honeycomb's fault), bothers me a little, but overall I am happy with my Transformer. It's making my life easier a lot on four aspects: saving my laptop (on which i spent a lot and doesn't deserve to be stressed sometimes all day long just for browsing; I am saving it for real work and there are days now when i don't use it at all; also, TF is way better than my wife's iPad 2 on this reason), my smartphone (who's battery now last for 2 full days because of transferring the light browsing, reading and media consuming in bed to the Transformer), my injured back (from using the laptop at desk all day) and my eyes (beacuse of the reason no. 2, with the smartphone replacement for some stuff).
LE: Conclusion: Stop complaining or bragging about it, and just make it worth it's money using it.

Has anyone yet commented the speaker balance in the B60K batch? More experience sharing on the light bleeding wll be appreciated too.
My B50K has passed its refund windows, but I could sell and buy a new B60K, and lose about $100. I need more info to decide...

ikeny said:
Has anyone yet commented the speaker balance in the B60K batch? More experience sharing on the light bleeding wll be appreciated too.
My B50K has passed its refund windows, but I could sell and buy a new B60K, and lose about $100. I need more info to decide...
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I havew a B50K and it's perfect. Thinking you will be getting $100 worth of something additional with a B60K is just insane.

i'm hoping they've worked out the creakiness in B60...my B40 was really bad.

slopokdave said:
I would normally agree with your logic about it being perfect, but with these IPS screens it's very hard to totally do away with the light bleed. Even the iPad2, as much as Apple praises their build quality, has light bleed. Mine did and so did my wife's.
Hell, my 46" Samsung LCD has some light bleed in the corners (we refer to them as "flashights").
I think if you get a TF with minimal light bleed, mine is very small at the bottom, you are doing well.
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Said perfectly. I've had a B40, a B50, and 2 B60s. ALL had light bleed to various degrees.
The B60s seem a lot better but they still have light bleed. While I don't doubt there may be a few transformers out there with no light bleed, I'm definitely skeptical of the claim that someone has a transformer with no light bleed whatsoever.
I do a lot of reading on my device and I like to read with white text on a black background so light bleed shows up immediately. The light bleed on the B60 I am keeping is minimal enough that it doesn't bother me even in this condition.

Slight Screen Discoloration

I've noticed some slight screen discoloration on my LG G2. The discoloration is about half way down on the left side of the screen. It's a very slight yellow crescent shape of discoloration. It looks similar to the discoloration my iPhone 4 experienced. Has anyone seen this issue with the G2 screens?
I contacted Verizon and they are overnighting me a warranty replacement. They also reached out to LG, who claimed this is not a known issue with the device. I just wanted to make you guys aware, as well as see if anyone else has experienced this. I'm not too familiar with LCD technology, what could be causing this discoloration?
Unfortunately I cannot post pictures because I am a new member, but I wish I was able to show you all what I'm talking about. It is VERY minor, however, I can still see it an it is bothersome to me. I figured I should have it replaced considering it's no charge to me and I don't want it spread... if that's even possible?

I'm starting to question whether or not I want to accept the most likely refurbished phone Verizon is sending me. It seems the yellow has faded slightly, although it becomes more present when the screen is on for longer periods of time. I guess I just have an irrational fear of getting refurbished electronics, like there's going to be something wrong with it or it'll develop problems down the line. I guess I should just take the refurbished phone and call it good enough, this way I don't keep looking for the yellow discoloration every time I use my phone... yea, I'm that neurotic about perfection.

Screen Discoloration
My LG G2 has a similar discoloration, orange in color, on the right edge near the top. I have a replacement on the way.
I don't have a screen protector or a case on my phone. No water/moisture exposure, no drops, no extreme temperatures, etc.
Any idea what might be the cause?

I've got the exact same problem I tried seeing if doing a normal restart of the phone would help which hasn't and it doesn't appear in screenshots and it's also happened recently about 1/2 way down

I'm on my third G2 (in 9 months) with this problem. Few of the staff in the Verizon stores have ever seen or heard of this problem.
I'm probably going to change to a different phone.

Potential Display Issues

I got my 6P yesterday and I seem to be noticing that the left side of my screen is ever so slightly pinkish compared to the right side. It might just be my viewing angle or OCD. But anyone else experiencing this? I'll see if I can get this on camera.

maxwellag said:
I got my 6P yesterday and I seem to be noticing that the left side of my screen is ever so slightly pinkish compared to the right side. It might just be my viewing angle or OCD. But anyone else experiencing this? I'll see if I can get this on camera.
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Unfortunately I cannot like to other posts yet, but there are two other topics out there regarding this issue. According to the thread titled 'BlueHue/YellowHue/Speakers - Google's Response' Google said to contact them to get a replacement.

WHen the coloration like that is in a single spot that is a defect and you should get a replacement if it bugs you at all.

I made a post on Reddit and here about this. They're considering it a defect with earlier batches. If it's just spots of purple or portions of the screen, then it's a defect either way.

Wtf!!! Just received my aluminum in the mail today and the screen is two different colors.... So far my first graphite was yellowish, got a replacement graphite and it's perfect... Gave that phone to the wife, sent the bad one back. Ordered me a aluminum and it's two different colors... Google admitted they were aware of the issue and sending me another phone. If my next phone comes perfect that's a success right off %50.... 2/4

Users with defective screens (pink/uneven color temps), what model do you have?

I'm on my 4th phone, and this one is by far the worst. I busted out my Galaxy S4 to compare, and it's night and day difference. The S4 (also super amoled) is completely uniform color temp, and has almost zero color shift when you tilt the phone. Every 6P I've had has some type of pink to blue color gradient, and shifts to blue when I tilt it just a tiny bit forward (like everytime I'm reaching for the notification tray). I'm starting to think people with "zero issues" are either smoking the hype pipe, or having a completely different experience. All 4 of my phones are 64GB Graphite, with build dates of 10/25 or 10/27. It seemed there were a disproportionate number of 64GB Graphites reporting these issues. I'm thinking I keep getting phones from the same crappy batch(es). I'm wondering if there is any correlation between the color/size variants and these defects.
I'm considering returning the phone for good and either reordering in a month or two, or getting a 5x to hold me over until next years Nexus. I got Nexus Protect and the whole shebang with the 6P because I was planning on keeping it 2+ years.

2x bad 64gb graphites for me. 3rd one seems to be better, but not perfect. I'm not sure if I'll RMA it or not. Like you said it seems like every screen has issues and it's just a matter of how bad it is. The 3rd one isn't too bad at least.

Frost 128gb, no problem at all except for the random reboot.

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Frost 128gb, no problem at all except for the random reboot.
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Frost 64GB and same as you, no defects but I need to check if I got a random reboot while asleep as it asked me for the secure boot password when I unlocked it this morning. Strangely, once I did this, the phone appeared to have been exactly where I'd left it, instead of going through the usual boot up process of loading home screens, widgets etc.
I do wish to clarify that I do find this device to shift colors ever so slightly when not looking straight on. It is nothing major and I put it down to Google/Huawei not sourcing a good panel. It is the obvious shift expected from lower end panels due to changes in viewing angles. I do not classify that as a defect. I will post pictures of this in another thread in General.
At the most extreme near 180 angle, I can see some green rainbow effect. I don't know if this is due to my cheap screen protector or it has something to do with the Gorilla Glass treatment on the panel. It really is a non issue for me. I NEVER noticed ANY of this until I came along the forums and read people complaining about defects, making me go LOOK for them on mine. This doesn't mean others aren't suffering from defects.

warplane95 said:
Frost 128gb, no problem at all except for the random reboot.
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Mine had the freeze and reboot issues. Did it 7 times in the span of 5 days. Put it on safe mode and still rebooted. Factory reset the device and clean install of apps and rebooted once. After that one random freeze, the device hasn't had one in 48 hrs and counting but still rma'd for a new device to make myself feel more at ease knowing that there is no internal hardware issues.
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Not had any reboots at all but my 3 phones had increasingly worse displays. Alu 64gb, manufacturrd 18/10, 28/10,28/10. The original 18/10 was the best of them all but still not good with pink hue on the left side of the screen.
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subhani said:
Frost 64GB and same as you, no defects but I need to check if I got a random reboot while asleep as it asked me for the secure boot password when I unlocked it this morning. Strangely, once I did this, the phone appeared to have been exactly where I'd left it, instead of going through the usual boot up process of loading home screens, widgets etc.
I do wish to clarify that I do find this device to shift colors ever so slightly when not looking straight on. It is nothing major and I put it down to Google/Huawei not sourcing a good panel. It is the obvious shift expected from lower end panels due to changes in viewing angles. I do not classify that as a defect. I will post pictures of this in another thread in General.
At the most extreme near 180 angle, I can see some green rainbow effect. I don't know if this is due to my cheap screen protector or it has something to do with the Gorilla Glass treatment on the panel. It really is a non issue for me. I NEVER noticed ANY of this until I came along the forums and read people complaining about defects, making me go LOOK for them on mine. This doesn't mean others aren't suffering from defects.
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I also have the color shifting, but this is probably caused by the tempered glass screen protector. anyway, I always look a the device with an angle of 90 degree.

Thanks mods for cleaning up the hate speech. It amazes me people think we should be grateful and accept any crap Google ships. The way QA works, it's not an issue unless the customers make it an issue. If Google can save money and use grade B panels, and their customers don't seem to mind, then next year they might use grade C panels.
This is what my 6P looks like on the google homepage at normal brightness levels: https://goo.gl/photos/z77YPDta247Jh3Zt5
Last I checked, there is no gradient on the google homepage that goes from pink to green. And if you're curious, here is what that looks like next to a Nexus 5X: https://goo.gl/photos/3huN7dPbeBKqrodf7
Every one of my 6Ps has a color gradient when looking directly at the screen. That's not taking into account the crazy rainbow effect when you tilt the display just a few degrees any direction. I had multiple Galaxy S4s, which also have a samsung amoled screen, and they are all completely uniform and have close to zero color shift at normal viewing angles.
So to everyone that thinks we are just picky @#[email protected], in all my years and hundreds of consumer electronic devices I've owned, I've only ever RMAed two other devices: a plasma TV that buzzed like a bumblebee, and an og PSP that had dead pixels and completely outrageous back light bleed.

It would seem the later batches are worse

This is my 4th replacement, expecting my 5th today, this latest one I have is manufactured on the 16th nov shipped on the 20th doesn't have a pure white screen and the ambient display keeps switching itself off, I've never had to send so many phones back in my life, on this one the screen is white at the top and at the bottom about 1-2 inches up it's like a dirty yellow tint and not pure white, I'll see what this latest one is like tonight but I'm hoping it's not a 16th nov manufactured device.

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This is my 4th replacement, expecting my 5th today, this latest one I have is manufactured on the 16th nov shipped on the 20th doesn't have a pure white screen and the ambient display keeps switching itself off, I've never had to send so many phones back in my life, on this one the screen is white at the top and at the bottom about 1-2 inches up it's like a dirty yellow tint and not pure white, I'll see what this latest one is like tonight but I'm hoping it's not a 16th nov manufactured device.
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I would get a different phone. I can't believe Google are sending you so many phones when they've already said they do not see the issue as am issue. Hell I don't see it as an issue and I am very very picky.

Fourth replacement and still one from November? My first RMA I got one in January with no issues.

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Fourth replacement and still one from November? My first RMA I got one in January with no issues.
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Yep this was last week i got the 16th nov device, i actually think they're repackaging old stock trying to par them off with other end users phones that have already been sent back,

Jonathan-H said:
I would get a different phone. I can't believe Google are sending you so many phones when they've already said they do not see the issue as am issue. Hell I don't see it as an issue and I am very very picky.
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It's my last one, the first 4 phones had perfectly white screens, if you think half a yellow screen and an ambient display that goes off 20+ times a day is acceptable then you are not picky mate.

Ady1976 said:
Yep this was last week i got the 16th nov device, i actually think they're repackaging old stock trying to par them off with other end users phones that have already been sent back,
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With the number of returns of this device, I wouldn't be surprised.

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With the number of returns of this device, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Sigh I've just checked the IMEI number and it's yet another 16th nov device, I'll check it later if it's got the same screen it's going back again, they must definitely be sending repackaged devices out

What manufacture dates have you received? Anything from this year?
I've got a Jan 3rd manufacture date on my sim free phone from CPW

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What manufacture dates have you received? Anything from this year?
I've got a Jan 3rd manufacture date on my sim free phone from CPW
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The first I got was oct which was fine apart from battery issues, the next 2 i never checked, these last 2 are both nov 16th manufacturing dates, i do not believe they still have brand new stock dating from nov when we're in march, they said it is brand new I'm more inclined these are cleaned up repackaged devices that have been returned, from the Google store.
Update, just to add to this, i now remember when this 16th nov device arrived last week, upon unboxing it the sticker wasn't fully sealed, not stuck down properly and the plastic cover wrapping round the screen wasn't properly aligned as if it wasn't done from the factory.

Ady1976 said:
It's my last one, the first 4 phones had perfectly white screens, if you think half a yellow screen and an ambient display that goes off 20+ times a day is acceptable then you are not picky mate.
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Why did you return 4 phones with "perfectly white screens?"

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Why did you return 4 phones with "perfectly white screens?"
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Battery issues, either not charging at all or charging extremely slowly, the last one apps were crashing frequently.

Finally tested the new one still 16th nov device but the screen is white and not yellow at the bottom so all is good, don't settle for crap folks.

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Finally tested the new one still 16th nov device but the screen is white and not yellow at the bottom so all is good, don't settle for crap folks.
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Why didn't you just switch to a different device? Clearly you aren't happy with the 2xl or you just have nothing better to do

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Why didn't you just switch to a different device? Clearly you aren't happy with the 2xl or you just have nothing better to do
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Because now this one is perfect as it should be, question, if you bought a new tv and the bottom of the screen was yellow would you keep it? Thought not

I did the same thing, though I only had to return once. My first device was cool at the bottom and progressively warmer at the top. Didn't think it would be that much of an issue, but after about 6 hours I was on the phone with support. Got my replacement 2 days later and it's been perfect since. Don't blame you for returning.

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I did the same thing, though I only had to return once. My first device was cool at the bottom and progressively warmer at the top. Didn't think it would be that much of an issue, but after about 6 hours I was on the phone with support. Got my replacement 2 days later and it's been perfect since. Don't blame you for returning.
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Cheers, mine was yellow at the bottom, not acceptable, i mean wow if lg made this much variation into their tv oled panels and 1 tv was different to the next would put right off anything that has an lg oled panel in it, it's quite shocking someone could be buying a tv based on expert reviews and then getting something with completely different colour balance, in this day an age if they can't manufacture in mass indentical products then it's a company to stay away from in the future.
Also to add Google tried initially to tell me there is variation in devices and that can be expected lol, wtf

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...i do not believe they still have brand new stock dating from nov when we're in march...
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Your belief is rubbish. I received a brand new P2XL from Google on the Monday following Easter (April 2d, 2018). Completely and properly sealed, and with the inner plastic wrap totally untouched. I just checked the IMEI and the manufacture date is November 18, 2017. So Google does still have new stock dating from November for purchase, because I received one.
I understand everyone's concern regarding the blue tint. I myself see the blue tint on my screen, but I found it to not be troublesome enough to return the device. After all, my Nexus 6 using a Samsung panel exhibits the same tinting to the same degree when holding the screen at an angle to sight. My Galaxy S4 prior to that with (at the time) Samsung's best AMOLED screen also exhibits the same tinting, though in that case the tinting is more pronounced being an older display. I simply never noticed it until people like yourself brought it up.
Issues with ambient light sensors, partial yellow tints, and other similar defects are one thing, and for those I would exchange devices. But to exchange devices because of blue tinting at odd angles, a side effect with all OLED displays regardless of who makes them? I believe that to be a waste of time, but then again I also believe this "tintgate" controversy is simply overblown.

They are only shipping refurbished devices for RMA now..

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Your belief is rubbish. I received a brand new P2XL from Google on the Monday following Easter (April 2d, 2018). Completely and properly sealed, and with the inner plastic wrap totally untouched. I just checked the IMEI and the manufacture date is November 18, 2017. So Google does still have new stock dating from November for purchase, because I received one.
I understand everyone's concern regarding the blue tint. I myself see the blue tint on my screen, but I found it to not be troublesome enough to return the device. After all, my Nexus 6 using a Samsung panel exhibits the same tinting to the same degree when holding the screen at an angle to sight. My Galaxy S4 prior to that with (at the time) Samsung's best AMOLED screen also exhibits the same tinting, though in that case the tinting is more pronounced being an older display. I simply never noticed it until people like yourself brought it up.
Issues with ambient light sensors, partial yellow tints, and other similar defects are one thing, and for those I would exchange devices. But to exchange devices because of blue tinting at odd angles, a side effect with all OLED displays regardless of who makes them? I believe that to be a waste of time, but then again I also believe this "tintgate" controversy is simply overblown.
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How have people had January manufactured devices if they still don't have old stock?
Yes the blue tint is well overblown, mine has it albeit very minimal on mine and i mean minimal, the first i had was worse than this but still didn't bother me as my s9 has the same tint, as you rightly said other screen issues, calibration issues, manufacturing issues, whatever you want to call it is not acceptable, when you look at your phone, your tv, your tablet whatever should look uniform in colour and not change in from white to yellow for eg which my last one did.
Google actually said they are stringent on manufacturing but there can be variation, that's like saying you might get the performance out of the car you purchased but you might not, and as far as I'm concerned this is LG manufacturing **** ups or inferior parts to cover stock on the early rush.

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They are only shipping refurbished devices for RMA now..
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I wonder why