so I bought the phone few days ago and the first thing I did was to empty the battery as advised, at about 20 % I was sleepy as hell and I wanted to drain the battery faster so the first thing came to my mind (and I regret that) was restarting the phone repeatedly so it would drain very fast , and I blindly did so , what a stupid idea! I did an approximate number of 15 restarts I guess with about 2 mins between each restart, sooo I am ready to take the consequences so what are they? what should I expect for the next few days? battery failure,cpu failure, ram failure, or even software failure?? the first 2 things I notice the battery now drain a little bit faster and the phone gets warmer faster than before
I don't think this will cause any harm at all. It's not like the phone takes a voltage surge during start up.
OTOH, there's no benefit to "conditioning" a lithium ion battery. If anything, it's counterproductive. Li batteries don't like being fully discharged or overcharged. Keep it between 25% and 75% as much as possible, and it will last the longest.
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I don't think this will cause any harm at all. It's not like the phone takes a voltage surge during start up.
OTOH, there's no benefit to "conditioning" a lithium ion battery. If anything, it's counterproductive. Li batteries don't like being fully discharged or overcharged. Keep it between 25% and 75% as much as possible, and it will last the longest.
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OMG thank u so much I was so worried cos I have a bad history of damaging and breaking stuff especially electronic stuff so u don't recommend me to fully charge it? 75% for maximum?? and rebooting is it safe in general?
Charging it fully won't really hurt anything. The phone's circuitry won't let the battery overcharge. But the battery will probably have a slightly longer life if it doesn't get charged to 100% all the time. Battery life is good enough that I can generally take mine off the charger at around 75% and can still get a full day out of it. But if I leave it on to 100% I don't worry about it. And if you like to charge yours overnight and it always goes to 100%, don't worry about that, either.
And yes, it's perfectly fine to reboot the phone. I generally reboot mine every couple of weeks. It seems to clear out some of the stuff that builds up in memory and runs a little smoother.
No, but draining the battery does, especially draining it fast.
When will these stupid myths about a totally different and obsolete battery technology die?
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Charging it fully won't really hurt anything. The phone's circuitry won't let the battery overcharge. But the battery will probably have a slightly longer life if it doesn't get charged to 100% all the time. Battery life is good enough that I can generally take mine off the charger at around 75% and can still get a full day out of it. But if I leave it on to 100% I don't worry about it. And if you like to charge yours overnight and it always goes to 100%, don't worry about that, either.
And yes, it's perfectly fine to reboot the phone. I generally reboot mine every couple of weeks. It seems to clear out some of the stuff that builds up in memory and runs a little smoother.
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thank u for the information, I appreciate ur help
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No, but draining the battery does, especially draining it fast.
When will these stupid myths about a totally different and obsolete battery technology die?
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now I believe it's a myth too, but hey aren't some apps like games considered as battery-hungry apps? they drain batteries so fast too!!
I hope this is a joke..
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jack1001 said:
now I believe it's a myth too, but hey aren't some apps like games considered as battery-hungry apps? they drain batteries so fast too!!
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Lithium-ion batteries degrade predictably throughout usage cycles, so the more you use them the more you reduce their total capacity. They're also more vulnerable to such degradation while under high temperatures, like when you drain them very fast by restarting the device. And yes, also if you're playing games. Obviously there's no point in getting a nice phone if you're not even gonna use it, but you can choose to spend those battery cycles on meaningful usage like playing games, rather than pointlessly restarting the device.
This is a classic example of thinking too hard. Just use and enjoy the phone and charge it when it needs charging.
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I hope this is a joke..
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unfortunately it's not, but what is ironic? the question itsels or what I did?
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This is a classic example of thinking too hard. Just use and enjoy the phone and charge it when it needs charging.
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sensible words,I will,thank you
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I thought I'd write this thread simply to see if it can work for others.
I have read throughout this site that it's good to allow your battery to become completely drained, and then recharge via the power adaptor. Some people even suggest to do it 2-3 times.
Yesterday, for the second time since I bought the phone several weeks ago, I decided to allow the battery to become completely drained. I then charged it using ONLY the power adaptor.
Results?
Before, when in standby mode, no radio, wifi off, screen off, I would lose about 1% battery power per hour through the night while sleeping.
This morning I was shocked. My battery was fully recharged just before midnight, and when I woke up at about 9am this morning, I had lost only 2%. Yes, it said 98% charge left.
WOOHOO!
Anyway, I guess it really does help to allow the battery to drain and fully recharge a few times in the beginning.
Peter
I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
I recycle my battery about once a month and it really helps.
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I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
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You are right that it's perfectly acceptable to continually charge the HD2. You can't hurt the battery. I'm just saying that I tried this suggestion (from many other threads) and it seemed to improve my battery situation. It may not work for everyone, but at least it's something.
Peter
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I recycle my battery about once a month and it really helps.
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I may try it once a month, too.
Peter
Peter,
This is the way to treat batteries if you want to get the best performance out of them. There are numerous posts on this issue on here but it does not matter how many times it is mentioned, people still don't read.
What you get is a load of comments about how poor the battery life is without them going through the conditioning process that will get the best out of their battery, irrespective of what type of battery it is.
It is always advised that you go through several cycles of full charge and full discharge, preferably when the battery is new, to get best results, and to do this on a regular basis throughout the life of the battery.
Undertake a good deed for the day; spread the word!
WB
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Peter,
This is the way to treat batteries if you want to get the best performance out of them. There are numerous posts on this issue on here but it does not matter how many times it is mentioned, people still don't read.
What you get is a load of comments about how poor the battery life is without them going through the conditioning process that will get the best out of their battery, irrespective of what type of battery it is.
It is always advised that you go through several cycles of full charge and full discharge, preferably when the battery is new, to get best results, and to do this on a regular basis throughout the life of the battery.
Undertake a good deed for the day; spread the word!
WB
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You're right. I've read so many different opinions on this matter, including a lot of research on the Internet. There really does not seem to be any consensus on the matter.
One thing's for sure, I will continue to cycle through full charge and full discharge on a regular basis, perhaps once a month. In the meantime, I'll just top it off every day.
Thanks.
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You're right. I've read so many different opinions on this matter, including a lot of research on the Internet. There really does not seem to be any consensus on the matter.
One thing's for sure, I will continue to cycle through full charge and full discharge on a regular basis, perhaps once a month. In the meantime, I'll just top it off every day.
Thanks.
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There is a more fundamental point to all this.
Its not the charging and discharging that makes the difference.
Its the working of the battery under load that allows the barry to achieve maximum capacity.
And constantly discharging/draining the battery will have a negative effect over time, shortening life span and usability.
Just charge and use as much as you can.
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I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
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Strange that all previous phones I had I charged the same way - drain then charge for 12hrs first three times, and then drain / charge as I go - and battery always lasted satisfactorily to me ... I know it is a li-ion battery but for me it works every time and I am sticking to it until they invent better longer lasting batteries
What happens when you Recycle them tho Do you not have to buy another one as I see there not cheap.
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What happens when you Recycle them tho Do you not have to buy another one as I see there not cheap.
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I think he/she means re-cycle as in a charge/discharge cycle
I recently bought a HD2 and was reading very differing advice concerning teaching maximum battery capacity.
-do not let the battery go fully dry, it might harm it (source: wikipedia)
-cycle the battery, drain and fully charge a few times.
-charge as often and much as you can, the battery has no no memory, top it off as you like.
So,,,
I take it now, that the battery likes being used hard, especially when new.
Drain to 7% or so, recharge, drain till 7% or so, a few times.
So do not try to find energy saving mods in the beginning, but work it hard.
I noticed I get a huge battery drain increase when I set the screen backlight to 100 instead of 40. and what a nice display it is
So I figure thats nice way to get to know the HD2, to use it hard and bright, until the battery is 'conditioned' and I know what programs I love the extra brightness in.
I have not been able to drain the battery in a day of expected use yet, always had 23% left or so, which is almost a 4th..
Oh and sorry for off topic, but are any of you guys interested in the ebook reading capabilities on the device at all?
I use a free ebook reader called 'freda' on 'night mode' with black background and red letters, and due to the screen size it is so easy to use the HD2 as an ebook.
I snug into bed and read like 50 pages of an ebook and maybe drift off and the device will auto goto sleep too, if I go first.
It's great.
Just want to share my experience of 'best' charging method that can maximize the battery life of my Nexus one.
Firstly, let me introduce my equip:
- Machine: Nexus one
- Rom: FRF91 Stock, Deodexed, rooted, busybox... (Geo411m)
- Kernel: intersectRaven's 2.6.35_AVS-925mV_CFS_20100802_1056.zip
- Control: SetCPU, Interactive: 245-960Mhz when on, and 245-245 when screen off
The key method of obtaining max. battery life is the 'GOLDEN' time from 100% drop down to 99%. Once the battery shows dropping from 100 to 99%, the dropping speed is quite stably fast onwards
So, how to retain 100% longer before dropping to 99%? Below are the steps that really work for me:
1) Charge the phone to green light, some where between 90% and 100% (say: 95%)
2) Disconnect USB charging cable
3) Turn off the phone
4) Connect USB charging cable and charge the phone, it should show orange light
5) Set a timer, remember to *ONLY charge the phone for around 20-25mins*
6) The concept is NOT to charge the phone until you get green light. In order words, you need to charge the phone from 95% for 20-25mins where the light is kept ORANGE with the phone turned off!!!
7) After 20-25mins, disconnect USB cable and power on your nexus phone
8) You are done and the battery should last longer before dropping to 99%
9) Time in step (5) depends, you need to trial-&-error
For my experience, I normally charge the phone before I sleep and disconnect the charger. In the morning when I get up, it usually shows around 95% of battery. Then, I power off the phone and charge it. And then I take breakfast, bla bla bla ~ and after around 20mins, disconnect the charger and go to work. The battery can retain 100% for around 30mins of continuous web browsing, facebooking... and when I reach my office, sometimes, the battery still shows 100% !!!
So, above is my experience of how to maximize the 100% retaining time.
Please feel free to try and share with us whether it really works for you
Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often.
I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car.
All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
^ Well looking at your usage, and the plenty charging points, of course you dont care. However, some ppl browse a lot, play games, so every last inch of battery life means something.
I just keep spare batteries in my pockets =D
I will try your golden tips.. then I will write my thoughts.
I thank you for sharing.
Screwing up the battery meter does not get you more battery life, period, and I suspect your shenanigans here is doing that. The battery has a set capacity, it's not going to charge more than that.
The Nexus One and a lot of other modern phones with modern batteries DO NOT trickle charge, they charge to 100% and STOP charging. When the phone drops to a certain limit, it charges more. Repeat as long as it's on the charger. This is why you might see it "drop a few percent" when you pull the charger.
Yea this sounds like a huge placebo effect.
Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
Yeah, that's what I mean.
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heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
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Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
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How do you figure out your mAh level? Spare parts only shows me mV.
Thanks
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This is placebo. In the OP you even say after it finally drops to 99% it drops fast after that. It's because the phone wasn't at 100% all that time. It was giving you a false reading from messing with the charging pattern.
The best way I've found to charge the phone is to delete the battery stats, turn the phone off, and charge it until it's green. I get a great day of battery life with the phone that way.
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Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often. I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car. All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
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Totally agree...I just charge when & where necessary and never worry about it! Don't have the time and it seems to last long enough for me to work & play
I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
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I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
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I'm fairly sure that the Milliampere-hour (mAh) is the capacity of the battery (the amount of energy it will store). How can you get "over 1500mAh" on a 1400 mAh battery? None of you are making any sense what so ever. You can't get more energy out of a battery by charging it a specific way. If I gave you a bucket that held 10lbs of sand and you filled it with 8lbs of sand and waited a few minutes then started filling the rest slowly, it wont hold more sand. This is nothing more than a placebo effect. The only way to get more time from a battery is to reduce the amount of consumption. The only way to do that is to use your phone less or make your hardware use the battery less such as undervolting your CPU. I tried for the longest time to explain to people that underclocking your CPU does absolutely nothing. If you're still running at the same voltage you're still consuming the same amount of power.
Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
xPatriicK said:
Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
Source: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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Yeah, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497
I have been using ultimate juice defender and battery life has doubled with usual usage. Maybe this can be considered as an alternative to longer battery life
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So up until today I've been having fairly lousy battery life (understandably) its dual core and h+..its expected..
But I read a thread earlier today (I forgot who, sorry) suggested that you go into the Latitude application and disable it and log out - ever since I did that this morning my battery has been absolutely amazing with the same usage.
It was 16 hours since unplugged from it's AC charger still at 40% which I think is amazing..just wanted to share that with you guys and suggest that you try it!
*Clarification: I normally get 12 hours and it's dead, today with the same usage I got 16 hours and 54 minutes with 40% left
Sorry for the bad grammar I wrote this in a rush
I got similar results from letting it die and get a full charge. From 10 hours to a day easy.. This thing is seriously on steroids.
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So up until today I've been having fairly lousy battery life (understandably) its dual core and h+..its expected..
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Its not really expected, espescially from those two things you mentioned
(btw I am at 50% .. 22h 43m 35s since unplugged)
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I got similar results from letting it die and get a full charge. From 10 hours to a day easy..
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Lithium Ion batteries are different to their predecessors in that they have no "memory effect". Other, older battery chemistry types had to be fully discharged before charging again for them to be effective and hold a charge. Lithium Ion batteries will not benefit from discharge, and are in fact ruined if you let them completely discharge. If it's a protected battery type it should shut off before it is fully discharged, thus not ruining it, but there is still no benefit. They are also very sensitive to temperature, and heat will kill them too. They will degrade at a much faster rate with heat. These are the two main reasons we have to replace cell phone batteries so frequently.
One annoyance about this phone is that it won't charge from usb worth a damn.
My previous phones I would let "slow charge" off a old powered hub overnight. With the Atrix you pretty much have to use the wall charger which charges much faster.
I swear I got better life out of my old phone when I charged it this way vs the fast charger.
Mine charges fine with USB from my laptop. I get easy 12-14 hours with 30-40% left depending on usage.
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Lithium Ion batteries are different to their predecessors in that they have no "memory effect". Other, older battery chemistry types had to be fully discharged before charging again for them to be effective and hold a charge. Lithium Ion batteries will not benefit from discharge, and are in fact ruined if you let them completely discharge. If it's a protected battery type it should shut off before it is fully discharged, thus not ruining it, but there is still no benefit. They are also very sensitive to temperature, and heat will kill them too. They will degrade at a much faster rate with heat. These are the two main reasons we have to replace cell phone batteries so frequently.
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Ok seriously just google how android handles the battery stats and look for learn mode.
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Ok seriously just google how android handles the battery stats and look for learn mode.
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Don't get your point!
Lithium Ion batteries do not change their chemical make up for Android, Linux, or any other operating system for that matter.
Android "battery stats" have absolutely nothing to do with how a lithium ion battery operates, and is designed to operate. I would love for you to enlighten me on how Android changes this, as your post seems to imply Android can manipulate the chemical makeup and basic design intent of lithium ion batteries!
Protected lithium ion batteries have "protection" circuits in them much like a mini computer which can be programmed to shut them off prior to full discharge, over charge, too much heat, etc. Android can utilize this "mini computer" to prevent problems with the batteries themselves, but not eliminate those problems!
Now, if you really want to argue this, stop quoting Google, (which you actually didn't, you just said Google it!) and we will dig into the full design intent, chemical balance and makeup, and actual results of tests which come directly from the engineers who gave us lithium ion batteries. You can produce your test data to substantiate what you are saying, and I will do the same! If you aren't willing, or can't as I surmise the case will be, stop Googling, and stop jumping up and down because someone has commented something contrary to what you believe or have said. I simply pointed out FACTS relative to lithium ion batteries so people wouldn't be confused thinking the best thing to do is let the battery drain out and then charge it, because if the battery doesn't have a protection circuit, it will die!
<edit> BTW...........If you seriously want to argue this, don't comment back with something childish like a WiKi link............lets get down to the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of this subject!
btw I am at 40% .. 26h 06m 02s since unplugged
1day 10 hours 33 minues 39 seconds since unplugged,
30% left
just plugged in
I'm currently at around 46 hours with like 25% left lol. I guess that's pretty good!
Obviously I'm not having too many problems battery wise, but I was wondering, how do I disable this latitude application? When I click on it in my app drawer, it just takes me to maps... However, I installed GingerBlur, and the latitude app isn't even in my drawer anymore? Is it just an add-on of sorts to the Maps app? If so, if I've never actually signed in or anything does that mean I don't need to worry about disabling?
If you can deal with the lagged connection after unlocking and periodic checks for stuff like email rather than near instant, then JuiceDefender really does seem to go a long way in terms of battery saving.
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Don't get your point!
Lithium Ion batteries do not change their chemical make up for Android, Linux, or any other operating system for that matter.
Android "battery stats" have absolutely nothing to do with how a lithium ion battery operates, and is designed to operate. I would love for you to enlighten me on how Android changes this, as your post seems to imply Android can manipulate the chemical makeup and basic design intent of lithium ion batteries!
Protected lithium ion batteries have "protection" circuits in them much like a mini computer which can be programmed to shut them off prior to full discharge, over charge, too much heat, etc. Android can utilize this "mini computer" to prevent problems with the batteries themselves, but not eliminate those problems!
Now, if you really want to argue this, stop quoting Google, (which you actually didn't, you just said Google it!) and we will dig into the full design intent, chemical balance and makeup, and actual results of tests which come directly from the engineers who gave us lithium ion batteries. You can produce your test data to substantiate what you are saying, and I will do the same! If you aren't willing, or can't as I surmise the case will be, stop Googling, and stop jumping up and down because someone has commented something contrary to what you believe or have said. I simply pointed out FACTS relative to lithium ion batteries so people wouldn't be confused thinking the best thing to do is let the battery drain out and then charge it, because if the battery doesn't have a protection circuit, it will die!
<edit> BTW...........If you seriously want to argue this, don't comment back with something childish like a WiKi link............lets get down to the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of this subject!
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Caelan I'm not trying to be a **** or argue about liion batteries, I know that draining it affects battery health. What I'm saying is that I read back in my n1 days that theirs a way to enter "learn mode" from plugging in your phone while the shutdown process (chimes, and the "shutting down phone") note this was all from xda and all for the n1 so I have no idea if its as simple on the atrix. I was going to attempt this but I fell asleep and it completely discharged and on the next charge it has calibrated itself and I'm experiencing much better results.
I know its not placebo because nothing has changed usage wise. Same apps same deal.
I only told you to google it because thats what I did and I can't remember what article. Cheers
** on a side note I did this on my xoom because I was having problems with bad battery after using oc kernels and continual bad battery after flashing back. And I can report 3 days uptime so far so theirs something to this.
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And yes I agree that if you are simply a power user and you have a lot of weak internet connections and run your screen on full brightness you will experience very little affect from calibration but if your a moderate user that is having problems getting your phone to sleep properly and still getting 10 hours then something is wrong.
No android does not chemically change batteries but it does control how much juice is used for certain activities. I noticed that my battery would drain rapidly from 100 to 60 with little usage and having my screen off didn't seem to slow it down. From 60% it would be better but at the 20% it would take a long time to drain. After I calibrated my battery it drained only with usage and would practically stop if the screen was turned off. Hopefully that can help someone... I know how annoying an unconditioned battery can be.
Ps what caelan is saying is true so if you do calibrate don't do it often because this leads to shorter battery life in the long run.
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I run gingerblur 3.5 on my atrix and it more than doubles my battery life over stock. Just plugged mine in and was 1 day and 23 hours since last plugged in. I don't do a lot of stuff with it besides text and try not to have a TON of apps running.
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Caelan I'm not trying to be a **** or argue about liion batteries, I know that draining it affects battery health. What I'm saying is that I read back in my n1 days that theirs a way to enter "learn mode" from plugging in your phone while the shutdown process (chimes, and the "shutting down phone") note this was all from xda and all for the n1 so I have no idea if its as simple on the atrix. I was going to attempt this but I fell asleep and it completely discharged and on the next charge it has calibrated itself and I'm experiencing much better results.
I know its not placebo because nothing has changed usage wise. Same apps same deal.
I only told you to google it because thats what I did and I can't remember what article. Cheers
** on a side note I did this on my xoom because I was having problems with bad battery after using oc kernels and continual bad battery after flashing back. And I can report 3 days uptime so far so theirs something to this.
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Can we go for a few beers? I think we would have some f**ked up conversations followed by more beer drinking! LOL
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roharia said:
So up until today I've been having fairly lousy battery life (understandably) its dual core and h+..its expected..
But I read a thread earlier today (I forgot who, sorry) suggested that you go into the Latitude application and disable it and log out - ever since I did that this morning my battery has been absolutely amazing with the same usage.
It was 16 hours since unplugged from it's AC charger still at 40% which I think is amazing..just wanted to share that with you guys and suggest that you try it!
*Clarification: I normally get 12 hours and it's dead, today with the same usage I got 16 hours and 54 minutes with 40% left
Sorry for the bad grammar I wrote this in a rush
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Right now I am at 1 day and 10 hrs @ 40%.
Download Elixir and load up a 7x1 widget on your home screen. add in Wifi and GPS switches. These will save your battery life the most.
do any of the users that get well above 16 hours of battery life want to elaborate on what applications may be running, widgets, etc? I have my brightness set to 11%, have 5 homescreen pages, mostly widgets that refresh hourly or longer, and hardly ever have wifi on.
basically you had your gps reporting your location all day long. No wonder you got a lousy battery life. You should have seen the gps icon on and the app being listed on the battery manager.
Just wait till exchange corporate sync goes nuts and drains your battery in 3 hours flat.
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Ok so I can't figure this out. My battery is kind of "retarded" for lack of a better word.
I can charge it up to 100%, reset battery stats (even if I don't the same will happen)... then let it drain. It will drain insanely fast... I mean from 100 to dead in maybe an hour sometimes...
Then I go ahead and plug it into the charger... for just 15 seconds... when I take it off the charger and turn it back on it'll have another 50% battery life, sometimes more sometimes less....
It's almost as if the battery isn't reading correctly and then the phone can't detect how much battery is left so won't let me turn it on unless I plug it in really quick...
Tried another battery and that one does the same thing.... What in gods name could be going on...
and yes.. I searched... before I hear the hit the search 2000x times.
Here is the instructions from the ExROM thread, they worked perfect for me:
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--> For battery life: I think that you have to calibrate your battery.
- Run the device down until it turns itself off.
- Turn it back on and wait for it to turn itself off again.
- Remove the battery for 10 seconds.
- Replace the battery, but leave the device off.
- Charge the device until full and then for another hour.
- Enter recovery and go to advanced -> wipe battery status. Apply it.
- Run the device’s battery down until it turns itself off.
- Turn the device on and charge for at least 8 hours.
- Unplug the device, turn off, then charge for another hour.
- Unplug the device, turn on, wait 2 minutes.
- Turn off again and charge for another hour.
- Restart and use as normal.
I shall try those but who knows...
I've literally been turning the phone on, it dies the minute it hits the lock screen. Plug it in now for just 3 seconds until it says VIBRANT, it will load up shut down.. have down this about 30 times...
I'm lost on how the phone has enough juice to boot and shi*.... it's driving me nuts doing this over and over and over.. oh wait just turned on again and it's at 5%. This is stupid....
lol i will post back after I try these instructions I guess....
You MUST calibrate your battery every time you see a weird behaviour or install a new kernel. You wrote that you tried another battery, so we can exclude a premature death of the battery.
are you able to get into RECOVERY mode and stay there without it rebooting? Or even Download mode?
yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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I made a nice detailed post about this a while back, it took a google employee for people here to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
(Keep in mind, this applies to NiCad... but the effects are the same)
Bad news bro, your battery is bad. If you full discharge/recharge all the time, it will just hasten its death. Deep cycle charging when the battery is that far gone doesn't really have the same effect.
Try coaxing it back to life by recharging it to 100% then hitting the charger again at 75% a few times. This will increase the capacitance of the battery if there is hope of life. If it doesn't improve, its life is almost over.
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yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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Correct. According to her Calibrating does pretty much nothing except make you THINK your battery is better/worse/same.
Haxel said:
I made a nice detailed post about this a while back, it took a google employee for people here to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
(Keep in mind, this applies to NiCad... but the effects are the same)
Bad news bro, your battery is bad. If you full discharge/recharge all the time, it will just hasten its death. Deep cycle charging when the battery is that far gone doesn't really have the same effect.
Try coaxing it back to life by recharging it to 100% then hitting the charger again at 75% a few times. This will increase the capacitance of the battery if there is hope of life. If it doesn't improve, its life is almost over.
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thanks for the interesting read, i love reading things that the mind thinks as something for a weird reason.. Placebo effect etc.
Putting your battery down to an absolute 0% will do nothing but hurt your battery. This would have worked if we were still in the 80s and 90s, but these are Li-on batteries, they work differently and it actually hurts them.
Ok so I have RESTORED the battery...
Here is what was going on after further looking. I downloaded a battery stat/drain program to see what exactly was going on...
Under a load the battery mV will change drastically, then once it settles down the mV will actually rise making the % rise...
So I completely killed the battery, I mean dead.. Restarted the phone, plug it in for just a second.. I took it to the point that I killed the SOB battery.
I then charged it up, and while charging I would use the battery drain program. the mV would change drastically and I did this every 10%.
So far so good, the phone has been on for 4 hours now and i've only drained 8%... I will see how it continues.
I've also been resetting my battery stats not because I believe it relates the phone to the actual battery % but the % would fluctuate on the phone, and I thought the phone was saying "batterys dead don't turn on" kind of thing...
Ok. Again.
Here is a more in-detail article with a quick google.
http://www.atomicmods.com/Categories/QandA-Batteries.aspx
How long will these batteries last?
Lithium-based batteries have a lifetime of 2-3 years. The clock starts ticking as soon as the battery comes off the manufacturing line. The capacity loss manifests itself in increased internal resistance caused by oxidation. Eventually, the cell resistance will reach a point where the pack can no longer deliver the stored energy; although the battery may still contain ample charge. Increasing internal resistance is common to cobalt-based lithium-ion. The speed by which lithium-ion ages is governed by storage temperature and state-of-charge. Figure 1 illustrates the capacity loss as a function of these two parameters.
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Although, there has been arguments for years about Li-ion "memory". Li-ions are not afflicted with the "memory" issues of other chemical types. What they are afflicted with is the inability to hold a consistent current under stress/load with age/oxidation (aging effect of the Li-ion batteries). This is where your battery sits. On the precipice of death. You may get another year or two out of it (if you're lucky.. really more like a few months) with a few correct charging cycles, but that is it.
Bringing a Li-ion to near 0 and back does not help the battery, it is 100% a placebo effect with short term gains at best. A common cause of your particular problem...
Lithium-ion batteries are often exposed to unfavorable temperatures, and these include leaving a cell phone in the hot sun or operating a laptop on the power grid. Elevated temperature and allowing the battery to sit at the maximum charge voltage for expended periods of time explains the shorter than expected battery life. Elevated temperature and excessive overcharge also stresses lead and nickel-based batteries. All batteries must have the ability to relax after charged, even when kept on float or trickle charge.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries
I'm giving random googling as I know it's difficult to believe a random person on the internet. No two type of manufactured batteries are created/engineered the same, but I'm basing my statements of chemical composition and the basic fundamentals of the Li-ion battery tech.
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yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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Most of these battery calibration techniques sound like a practical joke.
the only way you'll truly get a perfect idea of what your battery life is going to be is to drop the phone in the toilet.
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Didn't find a main thread for silly questions such as this so hope it wasn't wrong for me to post this here, but I currently find myself in my phone going as low as 50% on a daily basis and I charge it next day at not lower then 40%, will this wear out the battery? am I really supposed to charge it when it's really low? Thanks.
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Didn't find a main thread for silly questions such as this so hope it wasn't wrong for me to post this here, but I currently find myself in my phone going as low as 50% on a daily basis and I charge it next day at not lower then 40%, will this wear out the battery? am I really supposed to charge it when it's really low? Thanks.
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The latest in Li-ion batteries, as the one in our phones, one duty cycle is when you use 100% of the charge.
That is ifyou go from 100 to 0 that's one cycle.
If you go from 100 to 50, recharge and again 100 to 50, that's one cycle.
Batteries wear out depending on the number of duty cycles. More duty cycles, more wear.
So what you are doing will not wear out the battery.
Also I'm not sure about this, but it is recommended that newer batteries should not be completely discharged.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone else who can confirm.
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Modern batteries are not like older (10 years+) batteries. I'm not about to write a wall of facts here etc. etc, but I only have one thing to tell you:
Use your device, and don't worry about the battery. It'll do just fine until the day you decide to buy a new device. Now stop worrying and just use it.
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Modern batteries are not like older (10 years+) batteries. I'm not about to write a wall of facts here etc. etc, but I only have one thing to tell you:
Use your device, and don't worry about the battery. It'll do just fine until the day you decide to buy a new device. Now stop worrying and just use it.
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Same here, these batteries are tough. I am anal about my phone battery being charged. Haven't had an issue for years and I expect the same performance out of my S7E
Topping up your battery before it is fully discharged is the best way to extend your battery life. Modern batteries run best between 40%-80% charge. Minimize the number of times you fully discharge the battery as that is more likely to wear out the battery, although it is ok to use it until the phone shuts off once in a while.
Very impressed with the battery of the S7E. I charged to 100% last night and didn't charge until just an hr ago and was at 47%. Normal use in the morning til now. In n out of meeting, so its doing its job.
Now back to the topic of this thread, i've read some say these newer batteries should be power cycled at least once a month. Any one recommend that or against it? Haven't done it myself but did it a few times on my iPhone 6 Plus and that thing had an awesome battery even though its actually smaller than the S7E. Thoughts???
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Very impressed with the battery of the S7E. I charged to 100% last night and didn't charge until just an hr ago and was at 47%. Normal use in the morning til now. In n out of meeting, so its doing its job.
Now back to the topic of this thread, i've read some say these newer batteries should be power cycled at least once a month. Any one recommend that or against it? Haven't done it myself but did it a few times on my iPhone 6 Plus and that thing had an awesome battery even though its actually smaller than the S7E. Thoughts???
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I've seen it recommended as often as once per month or as infrequently as once every 3 months. The general consensus is that it can be beneficial in that it can correct any issues that the phone software has in determining the battery's capacity, not that it is actually helping the battery itself.
Yup, I did that once in a while with my previous device (a Sony), and the battery on that one is still very good after nearly three years. I wouldn't do it that often though, but it's useful to do it when you notice the battery meter hangs on the lower numbers (like if 10% hangs for an unusually long time) or you've just flashed a ROM. The OS tends to get a little confused after some time, so it's okay to do it to "calibrate" the system again.
Thanks for the helpful replies guys.
Draining a Lithium battery to zero is one of the worst things you can to an Li battery. Don't do it. Period. Ever.
Yes, don't power cycle a battery. It MAY help give a more accurate battery reading, but it's messing up the longevity.
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