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My Battery drained from 100% (it was fully charged, then I unplugged it and locked it) to 75% overnight.
What are some likely causes of this?
I noticed you have no signal. Constantly searching for a signal will drain the battery...
I've only had my N4 for a few days but the battery life has been good so far. A couple of brief observations...
1) On wifi only overnight (no SIM as I just got it and didn't have a micro yet) for 7+ hours. ZERO % drain...
2) On LTE (2-3 bars) for the past 3 hours. I left the phone and came back later. ZERO % drain...
Gmail is push, no GPS or BT. Only core apps running. I don't normally have anything in the back ground outside of lightflow...
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I noticed this also. I never had that much drain with my Galaxy Nexus.
I went out to lunch. Sent a few texts with google voice and looked up some random food articles on wiki for a few minutes. I was gone for 1-1.5 hours and now my battery is down to 47% from 75% this morning.
I'm going to download GSam and see what I get from there.
Edit: Installed GSam.
Attaching results from it.
the1onewolf said:
I went out to lunch. Sent a few texts with google voice and looked up some random food articles on wiki for a few minutes. I was gone for 1-1.5 hours and now my battery is down to 47% from 75% this morning.
I'm going to download GSam and see what I get from there.
Edit: Installed GSam.
Attaching results from it.
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Charge it fully tonight, unplug it in the morning, and then post your GSam results tomorrow night after a day of usage.
Mine has started loosing charge overnight too.
It won't turn of wifi when asleep either. Since I activated Google Now.
Mine lost 5%in 4hours overnight. Nothing running apart from mail and now notifications.
the1onewolf said:
My Battery drained from 100% (it was fully charged, then I unplugged it and locked it) to 75% overnight.
What are some likely causes of this?
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Your android OS usage is terribly high. That's my first suspect.
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My android OS usage is very high as well... sometimes higher than the screen. I'm gonna try turning off google now to see if that does anything but other than that I have no idea what would be causing that...
The screenshots show app usage as being 50%+.. It is probably a rogue app you have running in the background.
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As I said before, I believe it's some Google apps, I deleted a bunch of Google apps I don't use. My phone sleeps like a baby now. Overnight it only went down 2%.
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I had the same issue for a couple of days. I would wake up to my phone only having 65% charge and the device would be rather warm. In my situation, I found that the charger was faulty. I noticed at times it would cause the phone to flicker back and forth from charging to in use. Lucky for me, I don't sleep well at night and I found the issue after my phone had been plugged in for 5 hours in the middle of the night. With that said, I also noticed the charger would make a high pitched hum/hiss. I swapped my charger out for my old Iphone 4 charger and I haven't had an issue.
Nearly a full day's results.
I left my phone charging from night until morning. I unplugged my phone sometime around 10-11am and I stepped out around 12:30.
It's 5:52 pm now.
I was out from around 12:30 to around 5ish. At around 5 my phone had 50-56% battery left. My friend's Iphone 5 had 75% left. Aside from my friend using his iphone as a GPS to navigate in the car (around 20 minutes) - we had roughly the same phone usage (by my estimate of course), we were at same locations and both of us are on the same network.
To be frank, I don't understand why my friend had more battery life than I did considering he was using gps. I do feel like there is something draining my phone battery.
My screen light settings are on automatic.
I've attached GSam and my list of applications.
From about 5 to now (5:52):
After a bit of surfing, installing 1 application to list my apps, emailing that app list to myself screenshotting the relevant data and emailing those screenshots to myself over wifi. I'm now down to 39%
the1onewolf said:
I left my phone charging from night until morning. I unplugged my phone sometime around 10-11am and I stepped out around 12:30.
It's 5:52 pm now.
I was out from around 12:30 to around 5ish. At around 5 my phone had 50-56% battery left. My friend's Iphone 5 had 75% left. Aside from my friend using his iphone as a GPS to navigate in the car (around 20 minutes) - we had roughly the same phone usage (by my estimate of course), we were at same locations and both of us are on the same network.
To be frank, I don't understand why my friend had more battery life than I did considering he was using gps. I do feel like there is something draining my phone battery.
My screen light settings are on automatic.
I've attached GSam and my list of applications.
From about 5 to now (5:52):
After a bit of surfing, installing 1 application to list my apps, emailing that app list to myself screenshotting the relevant data and emailing those screenshots to myself over wifi. I'm now down to 39%
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9:12
3 hours and 20 mins down the line.
I'm at 10% battery.
My battery life has been pretty good. However, the number one thing consistently using battery is "Android System". Is this normal? Thanks!
Same here. On all my other Android phones Screen is the top user.
U are using ips technology on the screen unlike amold that saamy used which kills the battery in hours in full brightness . As you could see that the iPhone has good batttery life because the 720p ips screen.
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I've found that rebooting the phone after taking it off of charge, the battery life is awesome. There seem to be some wakelocks that kill the battery and for some reason, charging has something to do with it.
I don't know if this is why, but I heard the G2 has special screen technology that greatly reduces battery drain.
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Those claiming that Android System > Screen for battery use on the G2...I'm coming from a Nexus 4 which is also IPS.
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I don't know if this is why, but I heard the G2 has special screen technology that greatly reduces battery drain.
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Yeah, somthing about 30% lower battery use or something like that. It's 6 hours since I took mine off the charger, must admit very moderate use, some toying, some photos, some mails and 1 phone call. but still, my phone is at 96% battery. My old S2 would be at 60% at this point.
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Yeah, somthing about 30% lower battery use or something like that. It's 6 hours since I took mine off the charger, must admit very moderate use, some toying, some photos, some mails and 1 phone call. but still, my phone is at 96% battery. My old S2 would be at 60% at this point.
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What's your highest battery user?
I'm at 93% after 5 hours with only a dozen SMSes, an IMAP push account with a few emails, and 2 other pop accounts, very light use...Android System is 34%, Screen 21%.
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What's your highest battery user?
I'm at 93% after 5 hours with only a dozen SMSes, an IMAP push account with a few emails, and 2 other pop accounts, very light use...Android System is 34%, Screen 21%.
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System was 30, Screen was 28
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I've found that rebooting the phone after taking it off of charge, the battery life is awesome. There seem to be some wakelocks that kill the battery and for some reason, charging has something to do with it.
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I tried this and it worked. However, one instance is not proof I guess haha. I will experiment more tomorrow (namely, not rebooting after charging) and let you know what I find. I wonder what specifically about charging may cause wakelocks?
Over 48 hours of use, more than 50% battery left. 3,5 hours screen time. Android system worst offender with 35%, screen 2nd with 25%.
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If you look at the programs listed under Android System, try uninstalling the ones that you would never use. This has seemed to help me. But to be honest it was kind of unnessary because the battery life is just crazy badass. In a few weeks or so when the devs have there way this phone is going to be epic.
It is two things, which by the way are great news.
A) LG's screen tech which doesn't refresh pixels when the images are static
and B) IPS
What we can't control is screen power consumption, but guess what? We can control android system consumption through kernels and roms. This means that we can *hopefully* expect EVEN BETTER! battery life since the screen is, for 80% of users, the main culprit for energy drain.
Just a quick note that flashing CleanROM on my ATT LG G2 basically took my battery life from <20% at the end of the workday to just under 80% at the end of the work day with increased use on the CleanROM install. Highly recommended.
Been off the charger since 6:50 this morning. Sitting here at work doing some texting, Words With Friends, and a test call for a co-worker...96% at 12:15pm. My Nexus would have been at 40% by now.
So is Android System different from Android OS?
I normally can squeeze out 15-22 hours since installing Snapdragon Battery Guru. Which has been working great until today.
Here's my situation today:
-100% charge at around 1230am. Light to moderate usage leaves me with
-77% between night before and waking up (only dropped like 2% overnight) at
-830, then i worked from 9 to 1230 so i didnt use my phone too much. But since ive been off work ive been using it more so im not too surprised about my low battery level currently.
But what concerns me is Android OS using half my battery! It says its been active for more than 4 hours and i dont understand where it comes from. Its way more than my screen usage even with a screen time of little over 3 hours.
Anyone know whats up with Android OS? It doesnt tell me what is running when i select it so im lost.
Also ive done many of the suggestions in this thread with positive results. Ive been monitoring my wakelocks and since doing some of the suggestions on here nlpcollector has actually gone down.
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amazing battery life
osiris010 said:
So is Android System different from Android OS?
I normally can squeeze out 15-22 hours since installing Snapdragon Battery Guru. Which has been working great until today.
Here's my situation today:
-100% charge at around 1230am. Light to moderate usage leaves me with
-77% between night before and waking up (only dropped like 2% overnight) at
-830, then i worked from 9 to 1230 so i didnt use my phone too much. But since ive been off work ive been using it more so im not too surprised about my low battery level currently.
But what concerns me is Android OS using half my battery! It says its been active for more than 4 hours and i dont understand where it comes from. Its way more than my screen usage even with a screen time of little over 3 hours.
Anyone know whats up with Android OS? It doesnt tell me what is running when i select it so im lost.
Also ive done many of the suggestions in this thread with positive results. Ive been monitoring my wakelocks and since doing some of the suggestions on here nlpcollector has actually gone down.
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Just to benchmark .... I used the phone moderatley ..
I did.. a little over 50 hours of total on time
4.75 hours of on screen time,
2 hours of spotify with bluetooth for the entire time,
2 hours of MapMyRun with GPS running ..
then various text messaging and a couple phone calls
The only modifications i've made to the stop experiance is taking of google's location service for programs, but leaving GPS active .. and changing the screen to auto-brightness, baseline of 50%.
I came from the SGS2 ..... with 1 hour of on screen time and the other spotify and bluetooth .. i'd be around 10-20% after 8-10 hours !!!!!
Mines pretty awesome.
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I'm not sure if my battery is defective or not. Right out of the box was around 75% and I drained it until it turned off then charged it to full.
Over the next few days at work it's on wifi and then on 3G/4G before /after work. I pull it from the charger at 7:30am and by 7pm its at 40%. Then on Friday night I unplugged it at 12am with 100% and woke up the next day with 80%. It's dropping like 1% about 10-15minutes. Would a factory reset fix the battery drain? or call for a replacement?
marcusrab said:
Just to benchmark .... I used the phone moderatley ..
I did.. a little over 50 hours of total on time
4.75 hours of on screen time,
2 hours of spotify with bluetooth for the entire time,
2 hours of MapMyRun with GPS running ..
then various text messaging and a couple phone calls
The only modifications i've made to the stop experiance is taking of google's location service for programs, but leaving GPS active .. and changing the screen to auto-brightness, baseline of 50%.
I came from the SGS2 ..... with 1 hour of on screen time and the other spotify and bluetooth .. i'd be around 10-20% after 8-10 hours !!!!!
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wow that's really amazing. ill try that out and disable google location services and see what happens. will that interfere with google now? i mean i would totally sacrifice google now for 50 hours though.
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Hi guys
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed high battery drain on LMY48M?
Since the update my battery doesn't seem to be lasting the day if I have mobile data on and I use it occasionally. Basically unplug at 7:30am and by 3pm I need to start charging it. There's no obvious process draining it.
I did replace the battery 5 weeks ago and was working fine. Well into 20+ hours with use. Then not long after the update I noticed this issue.
Any thoughts on what could do?
Edit: Should have used the search (noob mistake I know) it's obviously an issue most are seeing on this build.
Are there any recommendations on Kernels to switch to, seraphore (sic) I've seen mentioned.
I'm always wary of updates in case something detrimental happens, but I recently updated to 48M and have seen no adverse effects. Phone on since 6:30 and still at 60%. Definitely no battery drain here.
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Strangely enough it's behaving today. Had a SOD last night, cleared my cache and so far 12hrs since 100% and I've got 43% to go, reckons another 8 hours. This is with my usual usage.
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Fingers crossed you've sorted it. 14 hours since 100% here and still have 45%. 12 hours to go. And to think I was considering replacing it with a 5X! [emoji50]
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So Doze is supposed to minimize battery drain to almost nothing overnight or when the phone is not in use for a long time. How many people have actually experienced that? I'm not sure what to think, I lose about 1% per hour consistently overnight. That's without greenify or other battery saver methods. But it still seems excessive to me for such a hyped feature. I wonder if future hacks will be able to turn doze on in 1/2 hour instead of 1 hour. What have your experiences been?
1% per hour is pretty good. That means your phone would stay on for up to 100hrs which is more than 5 days. Are you complaining about that?
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1% per hour is pretty good. That means your phone would stay on for up to 100hrs which is more than 5 days. Are you complaining about that?
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That is pretty bad if Doze is on given that 1%/hr is a widely accepted standard pre-marshmallow
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aamir123 said:
So Doze is supposed to minimize battery drain to almost nothing overnight or when the phone is not in use for a long time. How many people have actually experienced that? I'm not sure what to think, I lose about 1% per hour consistently overnight. That's without greenify or other battery saver methods. But it still seems excessive to me for such a hyped feature. I wonder if future hacks will be able to turn doze on in 1/2 hour instead of 1 hour. What have your experiences been?
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Doze only dozes applications from waking up the phone at their will, but still does periodic wakes. It will only make a big difference really if you had a misbehaving app in the first place.
Don't forget that even in the best case that Doze stops all activity from apps, you are still using power connected to the cell and or Wi-Fi, plus power to refresh the memory and other peripheral chips, so 1% an hour could be considered quite good.
Try putting the phone into flight mode over night and see if that 1% drain an hour goes, if all is well you should get around 1 or 2% power loss in 8 hours.
The other think to note is apps can bypass Doze and schedule wakeups regardless, this needs an update to the app for Marshmellow. So if you had an app that wanted to wake the phone every 10 minutes to download the latest adverts, it will stop under Marshmellow when Doze kicks in, but they could update their app to use a different API call and go back to waking the device every 10 minutes bypassing Doze. I strongly suspect that the Google Play store will start recognizing this API call and may start warning about apps that are battery drains, so the user can make a better decision, otherwise Doze will have a short term benefit as apps work around it.
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Doze is working really well for me. Battery drain overnight seems to almost be non existent. I went to bed with 51% battery life on my phone. I woke up roughly 7 hours later and it was still at 51%.
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Yeah I had only 4% drain after 8 hours overnight.
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Doze only dozes applications from waking up the phone at their will, but still does periodic wakes. It will only make a big difference really if you had a misbehaving app in the first place.
Don't forget that even in the best case that Doze stops all activity from apps, you are still using power connected to the cell and or Wi-Fi, plus power to refresh the memory and other peripheral chips, so 1% an hour could be considered quite good.
Try putting the phone into flight mode over night and see if that 1% drain an hour goes, if all is well you should get around 1 or 2% power loss in 8 hours.
The other think to note is apps can bypass Doze and schedule wakeups regardless, this needs an update to the app for Marshmellow. So if you had an app that wanted to wake the phone every 10 minutes to download the latest adverts, it will stop under Marshmellow when Doze kicks in, but they could update their app to use a different API call and go back to waking the device every 10 minutes bypassing Doze. I strongly suspect that the Google Play store will start recognizing this API call and may start warning about apps that are battery drains, so the user can make a better decision, otherwise Doze will have a short term benefit as apps work around it.
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Phil
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that was a great explanation, also I do think 1% per hour is bad since like someone already stated that I've had phones that would drain about that without marshmallow. Also those other people who replied I would really like to know how you get such little battery drain, do you guys have a lot of apps installed? I unplugged today around 5 am and woke up around 10 am with 95%. I have about 60 apps and 3 email accounts (1 yahoo which is set to sync manually).
Personally I am trying to sort my battery issues with this phone as some are getting great battery life (5 hours sot with over 24 hours off charge) while others are barely hitting 3 hours like me. Also I would think doze would be better than what I am experiencing.
How long have you had the phone for? AFAIK it can take a few days for Doze to "learn" how to optimize (reduce) battery drain. You may find it gets better over the course of a week or so. If you check the "detailed" battery stats (click the first battery graph) you should see little to no "awake" time overnight when you'd expect Doze to kick in - e.g see this link as an example: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wjguaIIcGgUZn7w-KXnY3MJ0qTK0rUCWiA
Otherwise try as @PhilipL suggested and run in aeroplane mode overnight.
Doze is working as advertised here. On my 5x and my N5 as well.
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aamir123 said:
that was a great explanation, also I do think 1% per hour is bad since like someone already stated that I've had phones that would drain about that without marshmallow. Also those other people who replied I would really like to know how you get such little battery drain, do you guys have a lot of apps installed? I unplugged today around 5 am and woke up around 10 am with 95%. I have about 60 apps and 3 email accounts (1 yahoo which is set to sync manually).
Personally I am trying to sort my battery issues with this phone as some are getting great battery life (5 hours sot with over 24 hours off charge) while others are barely hitting 3 hours like me. Also I would think doze would be better than what I am experiencing.
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It could be your location and the cell signal you are receiving, sometimes even if you have a good signal you still might be evenly served by 2 or 3 masts and the phone keeps swapping between them, if you don't have too good a cell signal, the phone will be using more power during standby. The only way to tell for sure is to put the phone into flight mode overnight.
One thing to note, you will only get the maximum screen on time if you use your phone a lot, i.e. all the screen on time is used during a 12 hour day after a full charge. If you are only using say 30 minutes one day, 20 minutes the next and so on, your total on screen time achieved will be less than many are saying they get, this is because more power is spent over time on background tasks and syncing, leaving less for actual on screen time. My previous Nexus 5 for example, sometimes I would go 4 days without needing to charge it, but my actual on screen time was only an hour or so.
Perhaps crudely speaking, 1 day of very light usage may see enough battery power expended on back ground tasks to see 1 hour sacrificed of on screen time.
Usually it doesn't matter how many apps you have installed, that in itself doesn't use any battery, of course if those apps are constantly pinging back home to some server, then that is how power is used. Doze will be helping with those apps over night and other quiet periods.
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Phil
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It could be your location and the cell signal you are receiving, sometimes even if you have a good signal you still might be evenly served by 2 or 3 masts and the phone keeps swapping between them, if you don't have too good a cell signal, the phone will be using more power during standby. The only way to tell for sure is to put the phone into flight mode overnight.
One thing to note, you will only get the maximum screen on time if you use your phone a lot, i.e. all the screen on time is used during a 12 hour day after a full charge. If you are only using say 30 minutes one day, 20 minutes the next and so on, your total on screen time achieved will be less than many are saying they get, this is because more power is spent over time on background tasks and syncing, leaving less for actual on screen time. My previous Nexus 5 for example, sometimes I would go 4 days without needing to charge it, but my actual on screen time was only an hour or so.
Perhaps crudely speaking, 1 day of very light usage may see enough battery power expended on back ground tasks to see 1 hour sacrificed of on screen time.
Usually it doesn't matter how many apps you have installed, that in itself doesn't use any battery, of course if those apps are constantly pinging back home to some server, then that is how power is used. Doze will be helping with those apps over night and other quiet periods.
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Phil
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Thats the thing I get about 2.5 hours sot in about 12-14 hours and have to recharge before the night is over. Of course quick charge helps but I really don't want to rely on something like that. Also I'm wondering if wifi calling on will help with battery or will it be like the iphone where it'll just drain more battery? Gonna have to play with it and see what I can improve on. Also noticed that chrome has been using about 15-25% battery on any given day. I do use it as my main browser but that still seems excessive so may try a different chrome iteration if it keeps up.
Thank you to everyone that has helped and hopefully this can be a come all thread for people with questions about or problems with Doze.
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aamir123 said:
Thats the thing I get about 2.5 hours sot in about 12-14 hours and have to recharge before the night is over. Of course quick charge helps but I really don't want to rely on something like that. Also I'm wondering if wifi calling on will help with battery or will it be like the iphone where it'll just drain more battery? Gonna have to play with it and see what I can improve on. Also noticed that chrome has been using about 15-25% battery on any given day. I do use it as my main browser but that still seems excessive so may try a different chrome iteration if it keeps up.
Thank you to everyone that has helped and hopefully this can be a come all thread for people with questions about or problems with Doze.
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What brightness setting, as that can make quite a difference?
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What brightness setting, as that can make quite a difference?
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Adaptive brightness less than 50%
I'm getting 3 to 4% drain during 7 hours overnight, working well for me.
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Did a test last night, charged the phone to 100%, put it into flight mode and went to bed, checked it this morning and still at 100%.
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Phil
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Did a test last night, charged the phone to 100%, put it into flight mode and went to bed, checked it this morning and still at 100%.
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Phil
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Now you need to find what is draining your battery overnight when not in Flight mode. I suspect you will find either Google Services or Google Play services not releasing the modem or something similar.
When I installed Cerebus it asked to turn off battery optimization. My guess is that is Doze could be wrong though. It was the only app that asked. So far battery life is better then the N6 that I had a Amplify running on.
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That is pretty bad if Doze is on given that 1%/hr is a widely accepted standard pre-marshmallow
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Might be a standard if everything worked perfectly, which I have yet to see. With this new architecture, you are guaranteed it. I love it.
I lost about 1% in 3 hours last night with WiFi calling on. Maybe it has to do with poor coverage. Last night I did end up with 3.5 hours sot which I think was my highest. So in the past few days I have factory reset and turned on WiFi calling.
Now I need to optimize my browser usage, chrome was talking more than screen was ~20%. Using #nochromo now and not much better.
Battery went from 66 to 64% last night in 8 hours.. #dozeisdope
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Every since the update my battery seems to lose a percent every 5-10 minutes the screen is on.
What gives?? Tried a fresh install and everything.
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Every since the update my battery seems to lose a percent every 5-10 minutes the screen is on.
What gives?? Tried a fresh install and everything.
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54% in the last 3 hours. This is noticeably different.
Have you looked into whats draining it? i.e. under battery settings or using better battery stats?
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Have you looked into whats draining it? i.e. under battery settings or using better battery stats?
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Nothing specific. Just screen for the most part and a little bit of chrome. I deleted messenger, and Facebook. Everytime I turn my screen on...By the time I go to turn it off after whatever activity I notice a percent loss.
My battery life has never been what I would call "good", but after the update it has been even worse. Wifi and location off, no facebook at all and screen at auto brightness. The battery seems to lose about 10% an hour and I'm lucky if I get to see 3 hours of screen on time.
I'm getting roughly 0.6% an hour when idle with 10j
T-Mobile. Best ever was 8h SOT with a few percent left in 10d. I am on 10j now rooted. Battery life seems worse but really it's not. Used to get about an hour screen before drops to 99% but now about 20mins. Just seems to measure battery better. This rundown so far was at work in downtown and I was on 41st floor most of the day. I am home now where my LTE is pegged full blast and I could probably pull down at least 5 more hours of this charge depending what I do.
I know it's not a solution in the sense its not solving whatever software is draining the battery but there are aftermarket battery packs for the v20 already that will make the phone last longer.
Zero Lemon specifically makes an excellent aftermarket battery pack if you don't mind the bulk.
I am waiting for a middle man battery pack that's larger than the factory battery but not as massive as the zerolemon.
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