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So... is the LEO finally an Always-On device?

Hi everyone!
I'm having a tough time deciding whether to get an HD2 or a Nokia N900, mainly because of one main feature on the N900: As far as I can tell, the Nokia N900 allows you to stay online (Instant Messaging, VoIP) permanently, even when the device is in standby - so ICQ, Skype, SIP, MSN are all connected, and if you get a new message or a call, the device will notify you.
I haven't used many modern WinMo devices, so I'm not sure if anything similar to this is possible with WinMo 6.5 (I've used WM6.5 ROMs on my Prophet, but I'm guessing a lot of features were stripped out to make them run at all )... is it possible to do this on the Leo?
I want the device to _always_ be online - if there's WiFi it should connect to that, and if not then it should connect to cellular data. This should obviously also be automatic, so that I don't have to manually log onto the WiFi every time I get home or to university...
Is this use supported? Or would it be more of a hack that runs down the battery like crazy (IIRC you can turn on WiFi permanently, so that it doesn't turn off when you put the phone in standby - not sure if the apps would stay connected, though)...
Thanks in advance!

I think the HD used to turn wifi off when the phone went into standby (I don't think I ever used wifi), but it used to stay connected over 3g for IM and the like when you turned the phone off (stand by)

Oh really? I thought 3G was turned off too... well, I guess that's a step in the right direction.
Anyone know about WiFi and automatic switching?

By default the WIFI is switched off when in standby, but it's possible to change it.
However, having WIFI always on will drain the battery completly.
Regarding to the automatic change, no idea!

And there's no way to lower the WiFi signal strength enough so that it doesn't drain the battery? What if you set WiFi power mode to best battery? On my Prophet it's unusable because the signal is nearly nonexistant, but I was hoping that they'd have changed this for the HD2...
Ideally it'd lower the signal strength as far as possible without dropping the signal when in standby, and then power up to a sufficient speed when the device is actually on...

Wi-Fi only turns off if you want ot too. You can change the way Wi-Fi works in the settings and let it be always on, even if you turn off the screen.

Is this new on the Leo?
Does that drain the battery quickly? Or is it in a low-power mode?

Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
I have no idea how this is implemented in Nokias, it actually sounds like a kind of magic if you're saying it doesn't kill the battery.
I've never heard about an automatic switching solution (or even about the problem, for that matter). It's relatively easy to implement periodic polling but even that will have serious adverse effect on your battery.

bemymonkey said:
Is this new on the Leo?
Does that drain the battery quickly? Or is it in a low-power mode?
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It's been on WM since times immemorial - it's a registry setting, and there are programs that allow you to change it without manually tweaking your registry.
Yes, it does drain your battery, even in low-power mode.

vangrieg said:
Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
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Ah, so the Best Battery setting is still completely useless. Good to know.
vangrieg said:
I have no idea how this is implemented in Nokias, it actually sounds like a kind of magic if you're saying it doesn't kill the battery.
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I'm not quite sure myself, but that's what a few of the nice people over at talk.maemo.org told me . I just hope I didn't misinterpret what they were saying
vangrieg said:
I've never heard about an automatic switching solution (or even about the problem, for that matter). It's relatively easy to implement periodic polling but even that will have serious adverse effect on your battery.
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Meh. Think 12 hours is doable with polling?
vangrieg said:
It's been on WM since times immemorial - it's a registry setting, and there are programs that allow you to change it without manually tweaking your registry.
Yes, it does drain your battery, even in low-power mode.
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OK, so it's the same feature that's existed for a long time... I thought it was something new, that actually made sense (i.e. didn't drain the battery so frikken fast...).

Please note that I don't have HD2 myself, so I can only guess how it's going to work there.

Meh... you sounded so authoritative that I figured you must have one

bemymonkey said:
Ah, so the Best Battery setting is still completely useless. Good to know.
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Who says it's completely useless? It does save battery, I use this mode all the time on HD. Speed is lower though.
bemymonkey said:
Meh. Think 12 hours is doable with polling?
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It definitely should last 12 hours unless you poll every 5 seconds or so, but what will happen if it connects to Wi-Fi while in your pocket?

vangrieg said:
Who says it's completely useless? It does save battery, I use this mode all the time on HD. Speed is lower though.
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Oh. I thought you said there were problems with getting enough reception to connect
That's usually the case on my Prophet...
vangrieg said:
It definitely should last 12 hours unless you poll every 5 seconds or so, but what will happen if it connects to Wi-Fi while in your pocket?
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It's supposed to connect, and disconnect 3G to save on data costs (probably getting a plan with a 200mb cap...)

bemymonkey said:
Oh. I thought you said there were problems with getting enough reception to connect
That's usually the case on my Prophet...
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I think I said the Best Battery mode still drains your battery. A much lower power mode would have trouble connecting.
bemymonkey said:
It's supposed to connect, and disconnect 3G to save on data costs (probably getting a plan with a 200mb cap...)
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Sure, but you'd also drain your battery without noticing. I would certainly be cautious about it - I can connect to WiFi at work, at shopping malls, cafes, and sometimes even in the streets. I don't want to end up being unable to make a call because I saved a couple bucks. But maybe that's just me...
BTW, I did a quick poll here at my office - all Nokia owners have this feature disabled, they say it drains battery rather quickly. This is not in any way a scientific research, but I don't believe in miracles anyway.

vangrieg said:
I think I said the Best Battery mode still drains your battery. A much lower power mode would have trouble connecting.
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vangrieg said:
Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
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That's what I meant
vangrieg said:
Sure, but you'd also drain your battery without noticing. I would certainly be cautious about it - I can connect to WiFi at work, at shopping malls, cafes, and sometimes even in the streets. I don't want to end up being unable to make a call because I saved a couple bucks. But maybe that's just me...
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Hmmm, there should be a way to limit which networks it should connect to
vangrieg said:
BTW, I did a quick poll here at my office - all Nokia owners have this feature disabled, they say it drains battery rather quickly. This is not in any way a scientific research, but I don't believe in miracles anyway.
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Uh... what Nokias? I doubt it's the same thing, because the N900 is the first Maemo phone

E-something Nokias primarily - they have this auto WiFi feature, don't they?
Don't know anything about this Maemo thing you're talking about, obviously.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
That's what I'm trying to decide... N900 or HD2

I leave MSN loged in on my diamond all the time. Wifi is on. it turns wifi off in standby, but msn stays logged in over the normal network connections, I alerts me I receieved a msg in the same way it does with a text. When it comes out of standby it auto reconnects to wifi.

Does that work on Fring as well?

Did samsung and sprint forget about the gps??? Wth!

Just pointing out, running a totally stock epic.
I can sit in FRIDAY TRAFFIC, like I did today.........and click on google maps... and even WITH WIRELESS NETWORKS ON.......my phone has NO FREAKIN CLUE where I am on the highway!!
After this fiasco with the gps, I don't think I'll ever be able to buy a samsung phone again.
Cold boot, warm boot, hot boot. Makes no FARKING DIFFERENCE when I'm sitting in traffic wanting another route at 5pm on a Friday after a week of work!
What a failure!

Ever think it was your phone? Mine locks within 5 seconds everytime even when I am indoors.
Wifi networks on
GPS on
Cold Start

Mine has a horrible time locating when I have 4G enabled. Here's my solution:
-Turn off 4G
-Turn on GPS
-Reboot
-Open Google Maps, boom sync right away.
-Turn on 4G after acquiring a lock if you need it

tonyp23 said:
Mine has a horrible time locating when I have 4G enabled. Here's my solution:
-Turn off 4G
-Turn on GPS
-Reboot
-Open Google Maps, boom sync right away.
-Turn on 4G after acquiring a lock if you need it
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This is ridiculous for a flagship #1 rated phone.

Yes, there are bugs remaining with the Epic GPS -- some of which manifest themselves, or not, depending on usage patterns. The underlying problem is bad handling of the time-sensitive GPS cache.
As for your opening question: Did Samsung and Sprint forget about the GPS? That is a very good question. So far the manufacturer and carrier officially refuse to acknowledge the bugs. We know that Sprint investigated, and off-the-record third-tier support told a serious tester that the bugs were replicable and they forwarded the case to Samsung. Sprint front-line support, on its own forum, went through the motions of soliciting user' reports. But we never heard anything back.
There are workarounds for the worst of the GPS problems: Keep the Cold Start setting and turn off WiFi and 4G when initializing a GPS session with GPS Test. Then you can reenable 4g and use your mapping or nav apps normally.
But the GPS will not always work reliably out of the box unless Samsung fixes it.

I understand there are workarounds but the big problem I have is that Sprint completely ignores the problem. I've had an ongoing conversation with @sprintcare via twitter and every response is ignorant to the fact that there is a gps problem. They actually act like they've never heard of it and it's new to them when I bring it up. I pointed out that the Vibrant actually had an update specifically to fix the same problem. Generally, contacting @sprintcare actually works with most questions and problems, but anytime I ask about a gps fix their reply is "what gps problem?" then they continue to ask me questions about what gps app I'm using etc etc. I doubt we'll even be getting a gps fix for this phone.

jirafabo said:
I understand there are workarounds but the big problem I have is that Sprint completely ignores the problem. I've had an ongoing conversation with @sprintcare via twitter and every response is ignorant to the fact that there is a gps problem. They actually act like they've never heard of it and it's new to them when I bring it up. I pointed out that the Vibrant actually had an update specifically to fix the same problem. Generally, contacting @sprintcare actually works with most questions and problems, but anytime I ask about a gps fix their reply is "what gps problem?" then they continue to ask me questions about what gps app I'm using etc etc. I doubt we'll even be getting a gps fix for this phone.
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All that is unhappily consistent with what I observe, with one factual distinction: The GPS bugs on the Epic are not the same as the GPS bugs on the Vibrant (or its GSM-based siblings, the Captivate and I9000). The Epic has different GPS hardware, different firmware and different GPS bugs. They are discrete problems that seem to be unique to the Sprint platform.

boomerbubba said:
All that is unhappily consistent with what I observe, with one factual distinction: The GPS bugs on the Epic are not the same as the GPS bugs on the Vibrant (or its GSM-based siblings, the Captivate and I9000). The Epic has different GPS hardware, different firmware and different GPS bugs. They are discrete problems that seem to be unique to the Sprint platform.
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The Samsung Moment had well documented gps issues. My Evo never had a problem with gps and I had androids version and Sprint Navigation. Now the Epic has gps problems. Don't think it's sprint. It's the lovely Samsung.

imwillzillla said:
The Samsung Moment had well documented gps issues. My Evo never had a problem with gps and I had androids version and Sprint Navigation. Now the Epic has gps problems. Don't think it's sprint. It's the lovely Samsung.
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Yes, it undoubtedly is Samsung's engineering problem to solve. But Sprint put its brand on the phone and sold it to us. Samsung built the phone to Sprint's specs, and presumably there was a QA acceptance step where Sprint signed off on the product before release. Part of the complaint in this thread is that the carrier is stonewalling in public about recognizing the GPS bug officially as a known issue.

Some kind of GPS update in Froyo beta
In the Froyo beta thread, it is reported that one of the GPS bugs -- the bogus estimate of 30-meter accuracy -- seems to be gone. So some kind of GPS update seems to be bundled with the Froyo release in the pipeline. No word yet on whether the more serious locking problem is fixed. It would take some controlled testing to determine that.

J3ff said:
Just pointing out, running a totally stock epic.
I can sit in FRIDAY TRAFFIC, like I did today.........and click on google maps... and even WITH WIRELESS NETWORKS ON.......my phone has NO FREAKIN CLUE where I am on the highway!!
After this fiasco with the gps, I don't think I'll ever be able to buy a samsung phone again.
Cold boot, warm boot, hot boot. Makes no FARKING DIFFERENCE when I'm sitting in traffic wanting another route at 5pm on a Friday after a week of work!
What a failure!
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Might just be your phone.
Was playing with the updated Facebook app the other day and decided to try out the Places feature. I tried to check into a food spot I was having lunch in and the locations weren't loading. I realized that I turned off all location features, so went into settings and check on the locate with wireless networks setting and boom the location based services in FB started working.
Navigator and CoPilot Live all work for me and pinpoint in secs.

Having my droid next to the epic, my droid had 6 feet accuracy, locked on 9/9 satellites vs epic with incorrect 98 feet and 7/9
I'm sick of this crap. I love the phone so much, but this issue is getting to me. Idon't really mind as all phones have their problems, but it should have been fixed by now
Sent from Epic 4G

LordLugard said:
Might just be your phone.
Was playing with the updated Facebook app the other day and decided to try out the Places feature. I tried to check into a food spot I was having lunch in and the locations weren't loading. I realized that I turned off all location features, so went into settings and check on the locate with wireless networks setting and boom the location based services in FB started working.
Navigator and CoPilot Live all work for me and pinpoint in secs.
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Want to join our club of non-working GPS? Here's how: #1, tonight, before you goto bed, restart your phone. Give it a nice, full reboot. Then, turn on WiFi, and make sure WiFi is set to Never Sleep under advanced wifi properties. (When you go into WiFi settings, tap Menu, Advanced. Change Sleep Policy to "Never."). Now, have a nice night, dream in anticipation of your never-locking GPS when you awake.
When you awake (hopefully more than 4 hours after you went to bed), with WiFi still on, start Google Maps. What? The little GPS blinky icon won't stop blinking? And your location is a WiFi-inspired circle that won't quite lock down to your actual position? Welcome to the club, my friend.
How to fix? You can try what you like, but you'll have to shut off WiFi and reboot. Your ephemeris cache won't reset properly until you do. Sucks, doesn't it. This test is extensively-repeatable, and has been reported here, on BAW, and elsewhere.

What was the code to change gps settings?
Sent from Epic 4G

boomerbubba said:
Part of the complaint in this thread is that the carrier is stonewalling in public about recognizing the GPS bug officially as a known issue.
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This is my ONLY problem with the issue. I'm ok with there being an existing problem, and the cold start workaround works fine for me because I have great cell coverage in Orlando. Just show me you are working on a fix. Don't act like it doesn't exist, and as far as I can tell, that's exactly what Sprint is doing.

I think that's most people's grief. It's that there isa problem, and nothign has been done. it's a pretty big problem as these phones use GPS for alot of reasons

Not saying that the phone may not have a problem, but you are having a extra problem I think. Got to be the phone.
I use the piss out of my GPS, I'm new to DFW. I have to GPS everything here. Never have had a problem like that. I can't get enough of how smooth the google nav is.
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Hmm Im going to a party tonight to see a girl who I really like. Wonder if my Epic (after a reboot and turning off wifi) will be nice enough to guide me there........
Sure didn't do ANYTHING last night.

J3ff said:
Hmm Im going to a party tonight to see a girl who I really like. Wonder if my Epic (after a reboot and turning off wifi) will be nice enough to guide me there........
Sure didn't do ANYTHING last night.
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Probably should bring an old iPhone... most girls will like that more.

jirafabo said:
Probably should bring an old iPhone... most girls will like that more.
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haha, I have a friend who is still waiting for the white iPhone to come out because she thinks it's pretty. I have a hard time convincing her to get the iPhone and put on a white case since she's going to put on a case anyways.

[Q] wifi scanning continually on s4 even though already connected to a network

Hi,
I purchased the s4 through radio shack 4 days ago. I was having issues with the wifi staying connected for more than a minute. After doing research and reading forums I came to the conclusion it was my router. I've reset it and done firmware updates and changed security to WEP and wifi issue was resolved. However now it is constantly scanning for a wifi network even though it's already connected to one. Have called samsung and radio shack sbout this and am getting various responses such as it is normal, or no it is not normal let's try a a hard reset to see if it fixes the issue. So this forum is my last resort before completely resetting the phone. Should wifi be continuously scanning even if connected to a network or not? Thanks

Valerieg8282 said:
Hi,
I purchased the s4 through radio shack 4 days ago. I was having issues with the wifi staying connected for more than a minute. After doing research and reading forums I came to the conclusion it was my router. I've reset it and done firmware updates and changed security to WEP and wifi issue was resolved. However now it is constantly scanning for a wifi network even though it's already connected to one. Have called samsung and radio shack sbout this and am getting various responses such as it is normal, or no it is not normal let's try a a hard reset to see if it fixes the issue. So this forum is my last resort before completely resetting the phone. Should wifi be continuously scanning even if connected to a network or not? Thanks
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Mine still scans for Wifi about every 4-5 seconds even when connected to Wifi. It seems to be normal and believe it did this on my S3 as well. Unless it is draining your battery I wouldn't worry about it. Also, it may only do it when you are in the Wifi settings and not when you exit but who knows. I get great battery life so it is something I'm not going to worry about.

CCallahan said:
Mine still scans for Wifi about every 4-5 seconds even when connected to Wifi. It seems to be normal and believe it did this on my S3 as well. Unless it is draining your battery I wouldn't worry about it. Also, it may only do it when you are in the Wifi settings and not when you exit but who knows. I get great battery life so it is something I'm not going to worry about.
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have you asked if it Is normal? Im pretty sure the scanning is affecting my battery life but but not
sure how to check whether it is or isn't. Just dont want to find out months down the road that I have a defective device. Will resetting it fix the?

Valerieg8282 said:
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have you asked if it Is normal? Im pretty sure the scanning is affecting my battery life but but not
sure how to check whether it is or isn't. Just dont want to find out months down the road that I have a defective device. Will resetting it fix the?
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I have not asked because my battery life doesn't seem to be affected by it. Also, I think my S3 did it also. From what I find when doing an internet search everyone else is seeing the same thing so almost positive it is made this way. When I look at the breakdown of battery usage (Settings->More->Battery) Wifi is only using 6% of my battery. Look and see what is using battery on yours. If you need more detailed information on what is using the battery than get BetterBatteryStats from Play store to help pinpoint it. There is a forum just for it where you can post and get help figuring it out if need be.
Also, as for resetting, I just did a factory reset yesterday and it still scans when in the Wifi settings.
The scan interval is probably cooked into the build.prop somewhere by Samsung. Usually apps like Blade Buddy and Rom Toolbox Pro can change it but BB is not compatible yet with the S4 and Rom Toolbox doesn't show the scan option in the build.prop list. I looked at a few of the custom TW roms and not finding any changes to that listed in any build.prop tweaks.
If I had to guess would say there is something else on your device using the battery but using BetterBatteryStats can pin point it for you.
**Edit....From what I am reading it seems there is nothing in the build.prop to edit. A line needs to be added in to change the default scan interval. I'm not 100% positive on this but seems to be the case.

CCallahan said:
I have not asked because my battery life doesn't seem to be affected by it. Also, I think my S3 did it also. From what I find when doing an internet search everyone else is seeing the same thing so almost positive it is made this way. When I look at the breakdown of battery usage (Settings->More->Battery) Wifi is only using 6% of my battery. Look and see what is using battery on yours. If you need more detailed information on what is using the battery than get BetterBatteryStats from Play store to help pinpoint it. There is a forum just for it where you can post and get help figuring it out if need be.
Also, as for resetting, I just did a factory reset yesterday and it still scans when in the Wifi settings.
The scan interval is probably cooked into the build.prop somewhere by Samsung. Usually apps like Blade Buddy and Rom Toolbox Pro can change it but BB is not compatible yet with the S4 and Rom Toolbox doesn't show the scan option in the build.prop list. I looked at a few of the custom TW roms and not finding any changes to that listed in any build.prop tweaks.
If I had to guess would say there is something else on your device using the battery but using BetterBatteryStats can pin point it for you.
**Edit....From what I am reading it seems there is nothing in the build.prop to edit. A line needs to be added in to change the default scan interval. I'm not 100% positive on this but seems to be the case.
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OK I've looked at battery usage and and wifi is at b 4% and screen has the highest percentage eventhough I have it at a lower resolution. However when I click on wifi from the battery setting it says it has only been connected to Wifi for 4hrs. 32 minutes . I've had wifi turned on since I got home last night. Could that be the issue? I did charge the phone overnight unless it shuts off while charging but still my emails would have to sync every hour. Do you know why it would say it's only been connected for 4 hrs if I've been home much longer than tgst? Thanks for the help. And also did you reset your phone due to the wifi scanning?
THANK YOU

Valerieg8282 said:
OK I've looked at battery usage and and wifi is at b 4% and screen has the highest percentage eventhough I have it at a lower resolution. However when I click on wifi from the battery setting it says it has only been connected to Wifi for 4hrs. 32 minutes . I've had wifi turned on since I got home last night. Could that be the issue? I did charge the phone overnight unless it shuts off while charging but still my emails would have to sync every hour. Do you know why it would say it's only been connected for 4 hrs if I've been home much longer than tgst? Thanks for the help. And also did you reset your phone due to the wifi scanning?
THANK YOU
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I don't know about the reported length of time for WiFi. Mine seems to be accurately reporting when I connected to WiFi this morning at work till now. Maybe it disconnected and then reconnected for something? Do you have multiple bands in your home (2.4ghz & 5ghz) to where it could have jumped between them? Did you walk outside and out of range for a sec? Maybe for some reason it had a hiccup and got disconnected and reconnected. Not sure.
Also, I did a factory reset for a Play Store issue and not because of the WiFi.

Wifi scanning every 5 seconds on my Galaxy s4
Jellybean 4.3 has been responsible for one of the highest complaints to hit android since androids launch.
Wifi overscanning
Battery management
HDMI Completely not working
The list goes on, this is all because some idiots wanted to rush jellybean out to accommodate for the introduction of the Samsung Gear. As a result of rushing it's release many elements were not tested or even included in the update of our much loved now screwed galaxy s4 's
Someone better get there act together and roll out a TESTED release to address all of these screw ups!

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Jellybean 4.3 has been responsible for one of the highest complaints to hit android since androids launch.
Wifi overscanning
Battery management
HDMI Completely not working
The list goes on, this is all because some idiots wanted to rush jellybean out to accommodate for the introduction of the Samsung Gear. As a result of rushing it's release many elements were not tested or even included in the update of our much loved now screwed galaxy s4 's
Someone better get there act together and roll out a TESTED release to address all of these screw ups!
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When this post was made 7 months ago, the S4 was on 4.2.2 not 4.3. Way to revive an old invalid thread. Also, all the things you mentioned work great on my phone so calm down a little.

cruise350 said:
When this post was made 7 months ago, the S4 was on 4.2.2 not 4.3. Way to revive an old invalid thread. Also, all the things you mentioned work great on my phone so calm down a little.
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That's funny because as a senior member, your reply seemed neither helpful nor relevant to what I said about the Galaxy S4 being affected by the latest Jellybean 4.3 update (whether I posted on an outdated thread or not) The subject matter remains relevant because the Wi-fi over-scanning while connected is still very much a current issue.
Many users have complained about the numerous errors currently being recently experienced in the latest 4.3 update, many of which have now been announced on the Samsung support forums. I'm in the UK and I see you're in the US. that in itself could make a hell of allot of difference in the errors that UK users may be experiencing. I'm also on T-Mobile and that could also have implications to the version of Jellybean subversion that has been installed.
Telling me I should 'calm down' (just because you're not experiencing any issues with your phone) is not the sort of condescending remark expected from any senior member.

puniksem said:
That's funny because as a senior member, your reply seemed neither helpful nor relevant to what I said about the Galaxy S4 being affected by the latest Jellybean 4.3 update (whether I posted on an outdated thread or not) The subject matter remains relevant because the Wi-fi over-scanning while connected is still very much a current issue.
Many users have complained about the numerous errors currently being recently experienced in the latest 4.3 update, many of which have now been announced on the Samsung support forums. I'm in the UK and I see you're in the US. that in itself could make a hell of allot of difference in the errors that UK users may be experiencing. I'm also on T-Mobile and that could also have implications to the version of Jellybean subversion that has been installed.
Telling me I should 'calm down' (just because you're not experiencing any issues with your phone) is not the sort of condescending remark expected from any senior member.
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Well, seems you don't have the l720 so why are you paying in these forums.
Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

A temporary fix for battery drain.

By now, most of you know there is a problem with battery drainage on the Snapdragon version. I along with many other people have fixed this by doing the following steps:
1. Clear Cache
2. Factory Reset
3. Opt out of all background reporting to Google and Samsung. (Google Location is okay)
4. Don't update any of the pre-installed apps through the play store that your not going to use.
5. Turn off auto update in the pay store.
6. Disable any app you don't want in the application settings.
7. Set location settings to GPS only.
8. Set WiFi to sleep when the screen is off or stay awake only when charging.
9. Turn off WiFi and Bluetooth scanning.
Last but not least DO NOT use an SD card unless your phone doesn't have the ejection bug. Every time you see the SD notification your phone is scanning the SD card. This can use a lot of power in the background as it wakes up the phone and doesn't allow it to go into its deep sleep state.
Also make sure you set it up as a new device instead of copying information from an old phone.
(Some are also reporting an improvement by just turning off Google and Samsung background reporting without even doing a factory reset.)
(Also DO NOT disable any packages using a package disabler app) Just disable apps you don't want through the application settings. I along with many others have reported worse battery life after disabling some of the packages.
For those of you (1 of you) saying this is pure snake oil, the following screenshots make for some compelling proof that it is not.
The first set of screenshots are of my battery performance before taking these steps and then some screenshots after taking these steps.

I've also disabled scanning for nearby devices, since my environment doesn't have any I can or want to connect to 98% of the time (and it can/will wake the WiFi w/o charging battery use to WiFi IIRC).
SM-G935A (US AT&T):
Settings > Connections > More connection Settings > Nearby device scanning > Off

I followed these steps this morning. I got excited when I saw in GSam that it was held awake for 0 seconds but since then it's still showing me held awake. Perhaps something I'm installing, I do notice screenwise is much higher for battery drain now. I drained a lot installing a ton of new apps so I can't go by anything yet but it seems the battery is more steadily depleting and losing less while idle. I'm interested in seeing how it performs after I go through this first cycle. Here's some screens
after reset SOT 1:47 58% left
before SOT 5:33 2% left
see how it seems to be more steady now, maybe I'm imagining it.

This post is snake oil.
Any 'fix' that starts with "clear cache" is not a fix.

nobnut said:
Any 'fix' that starts with "clear cache" is not a fix.
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I think that may be throwing out the baby with the bath water ... I don't know whether the cache has a direct effect or not, but the other settings seem to have a measurable impact.

jrwingate6 said:
By now, most of you know there is a problem with battery drainage on the Snapdragon version. I along with many other people have fixed this by doing the following steps:
1. Clear Cache
2. Factory Reset
3. Opt out of all background reporting to Google and Samsung. (Google Location is okay)
4. Don't update any of the pre-installed apps through the play store that your not going to use.
5. Turn off auto update in the pay store.
6. Disable any app you don't want in the application settings.
7. Set location settings to GPS only.
8. Set WiFi to sleep when the screen is off or stay awake only when charging.
9. Turn off WiFi and Bluetooth scanning.
Last but not least DO NOT use an SD card unless your phone doesn't have the ejection bug. Every time you see the SD notification your phone is scanning the SD card. This can use a lot of power in the background as it wakes up the phone and doesn't allow it to go into its deep sleep state.
Also make sure you set it up as a new device instead of copying information from an old phone.
(Some are also reporting an improvement by just turning off Google and Samsung background reporting without even doing a factory reset.)
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I wonder the true reason. I tried those steps before and that does not do the trick for me. Also, Bluetooth will sometimes just decide to eat 5% of the battery for no reason. However, the phone I get for my girlfriend (gold color, I got silver), without any adjustment out of the box can just get great battery life. Like without turn off anything. GPS is high accuracy, everything you mentioned in the post she has it on the regular setting, wifi on all the time, scanning device. The battery just keep doing great for her but terrible for me. I'm so confused regarding to this issue. Then I also tried package disabler on her phone, and it's still doing great.

nobnut said:
This post is snake oil.
Any 'fix' that starts with "clear cache" is not a fix.
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Clearing the cache may do nothing at all. I am just sharing the steps I took to improve my battery life. You're right though. Clearing the cache most likely is not what fixed it.
The other things I have listed though (especially opting out of the Google background reporting) has improved mine and others battery life immensely. Many people have reported much better battery life after disabling the background reporting.
Like I said, I'm just listing what I did to improve my battery from draining 18% overnight in standby to only losing 2% overnight in standby.

The "fix" is to change to exynos
(Just messing guys ?)

johanbiff said:
The "fix" is to change to exynos
(Just messing guys ��)
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Wish I could man. I don't really like buying phones out right anymore ever since getting Jump On Demand through T-Mobile. Having 3 upgrades a year without paying anything upfront is awesome.

jrwingate6 said:
Wish I could man. I don't really like buying phones out right anymore ever since getting Jump On Demand through T-Mobile. Having 3 upgrades a year without paying anything upfront is awesome.
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Yeah I understand. It really is to bad that it has this drain, hopefully they will patch it over soon with a fix for you u.s guys.

johanbiff said:
Yeah I understand. It really is to bad that it has this drain, hopefully they will patch it over soon with a fix for you u.s guys.
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I like the phone a lot so I'm hoping as well. If they don't have it patched by the time the G5 and HTC 10 get here, I still have 1 upgrade left until July so I may take advantage of it and get one of those two.

You most be talking about the s7 because my edge is great it's been off charge for 12hrs and my battery is at 75%

techrider6262 said:
You most be talking about the s7 because my edge is great it's been off charge for 12hrs and my battery is at 75%
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Nope....We are in the Edge forums. If you haven't seen. Many are having battery problems with the Snapdragon version of the Edge. There are many threads you can check out here.
Now I am getting great battery life but I had to put up with terrible battery life for nearly 5 days.

I have att edge and my battery life has been super impressive I didn't do much either just disabled couple apps screen 40% auto bright wifi BT always on location when I need I been averaging 7 1/2 hour sot, kinda reminds me when I me and my wife had g2 I had amazing battery life and my wife's phone sucked ass, I feel like some phones are duds

Anyway to turn of the background reporting without doing a factory reset?

I did the steps above last night and today is my first day. To be honest it seems similar to before but I will give it some time. My WiFi is always taking 50%+ on gsam even before. Any fix for this?

gainstatom said:
I did the steps above last night and today is my first day. To be honest it seems similar to before but I will give it some time. My WiFi is always taking 50%+ on gsam even before. Any fix for this?
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Looks like you have the WiFi bug. I had it as well when I disabled a bunch of packages. Have you disabled any packages?
Also, you could try changing the way your WiFi sleeps. Try changing it to only staying on when charging.
There is no way your WiFi should be using that much power.

Willyman said:
Anyway to turn of the background reporting without doing a factory reset?
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This. Anyone?

JGoldz75 said:
This. Anyone?
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Yes. Go to:
Settings - Applications - Google
Click on the 3 dots in the upper right corner and then go to Usage and Diagnostics.
For the Samsung reporting it is under the Privacy section in your settings menu.
Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

jrwingate6 said:
Looks like you have the WiFi bug. I had it as well when I disabled a bunch of packages. Have you disabled any packages?
Also, you could try changing the way your WiFi sleeps. Try changing it to only staying on when charging.
There is no way your WiFi should be using that much power.
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Yeah I disabled almost all the packages. Do I have to enable some?

[Q] Device occasionally loses Internet connection for both WiFi and cellular

Now that I've got the Moto X Pure Edition activated, I've been able to work out some of the kinks inherent using it as a daily driver. One noteworthy issue that remains is an odd bug where the device will completely lose connection to the Internet on both a WiFi and cellular data connection, usually after transitioning between types of connections. When this happens, an exclamation point is displayed next to the icon representing whichever connection is currently active and nothing is able to transmit data to or from the Internet or even my local network.
Rebooting the device always fixes the problem, but this issue is materializing a bit too often for my liking, which is usually once every time that I return to a WiFi network after being disconnected from one for some time (more testing may have to be done to confirm exactly what triggers it).
The device is running the stock rom (rooted) and the stock kernel along with the usual tweaks (ad-blocking, Xposed framework, audio fixes, etc.). Anybody seen this before or know what might be causing it?
UPDATE (3/1/2017)
Figured it out! The problem appears to have been caused by my failure to whitelist certain applications in PowerNap. After following the instructions found in the Moto X Pure Edition power optimization thread, the problem appears to have vanished. I don't know if it was the Google Services Framework, JavaTcmdHelper, Android System, or some combination of those that needed to be whitelisted, but the problem has vanished. At least one of those must be responsible for verifying the validity of an Internet connection in sleep mode, which would cause the device to become confused when it would wake up with a different connection that it hadn't verified (that's my theory at least).
At any rate, it is no longer an issue.
Update (Later on 3/1/2017)
Well, it looks like it might not be fixed so well after all. A couple hours after arriving home today, I went to use the device and saw the dreaded "!" next to the network indicator. Still, two days is longer than it's ever lasted before. I've cleared the cache and dalvik/ART cache to see if something in there might be gumming it up and will add another post to this thread if the problem returns.

Still an issue
Looks like it might not be fixed after all. I lost connection again the other day in a parking lot and once more today after getting home. Any ideas as to what could be causing this?

I just recently got my x pure. I've seen this issue on mine too.

Another one!
inkdaddy66 said:
I just recently got my x pure. I've seen this issue on mine too.
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Interesting. Are you running the stock Rom? Rooted? Amplify/Greenify/PowerNap?

Bill720 said:
Interesting. Are you running the stock Rom? Rooted? Amplify/Greenify/PowerNap?
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I'm unlocked and rooted. Running validus 7.1.1 ROM.

does your configuration look anything like this?
inkdaddy66 said:
I'm unlocked and rooted. Running validus 7.1.1 ROM.
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That too is interesting. I'm running the stock Rom, (rooted) so we can probably eliminate that as a potential cause. Given how little reference there is to this on the web at large, the problem is probably caused by a common app or setting (or some kind of unfortunate combination) running on both of our phones.
All we need to do is figure out what kind of "unusual" stuff our devices have in common. I'll rattle off a list of software and settings that might be out of the ordinary or network-related; you tell me if you're running anything like it on your phone.
AdFree
A.R.I.S.E. audio
FolderSync
Ice Box (Motorola Update Service is the only frozen app)
TOTAL Wireless My Account App
Pebble, MyTracks, and Pebble MyTracks
SlingPlayer (this one sometimes wakelocks)
Titanium backup (I tried restoring some WiFi access points once, but it didn't work)
Xposed Framework with Amplify, Greenify, and Power Nap installed and configured as instructed in the Moto X Pure Edition battery life guide thread OP. I've also got MinMinGuard and YouTube AdAway.
As far as settings go, I've not got much in the way of unusual configurations. I enabled the system UI tuner to get the battery percentage and the extended developer options to try out multi-window, (and to change the animation scales to .5X) but everything in there is still pretty much stock.
Does your configuration have anything in common with mine?

Close, but no cigar
It got almost 8 days this time before it happened again. I thought that maybe switching to the legacy DHCP client had done the trick, but that was apparently not the case. Any ideas as to what could be causing the issue or how to fix it?
Or, if you're having the same problem, can you look at my list in the previous post and tell me if any of the software or settings are similar so that we can narrow down the cause?

I have had this problem appear about three times over my 13 months of ownership and all three times was when my bootloader was still locked (obviously running stock not rooted). Never found a solution except to reboot.i only unlocked and rooted my device about a month ago.

Anything familiar?
aybarrap1 said:
I have had this problem appear about three times over my 13 months of ownership and all three times was when my bootloader was still locked (obviously running stock not rooted). Never found a solution except to reboot.i only unlocked and rooted my device about a month ago.
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Interesting. Between that, my findings, and the fact that @inkdaddy66 was having the problem on a non-Motorola Rom, I want to think that we can eliminate the Rom software as a cause. Did you see any familiar software on my "potential troublemakers" list up in post 6? I'm thinking that if we can find a common program or workflow, then we'll be able to narrow down the cause of the problem.
In the meantime, I'll try posting in the general Android troubleshooting forum here on XDA and see if anybody there has seen the problem or has any troubleshooting tips.

Bill720 said:
Interesting. Between that, my findings, and the fact that @inkdaddy66 was having the problem on a non-Motorola Rom, I want to think that we can eliminate the Rom software as a cause. Did you see any familiar software on my "potential troublemakers" list up in post 6? I'm thinking that if we can find a common program or workflow, then we'll be able to narrow down the cause of the problem.
In the meantime, I'll try posting in the general Android troubleshooting forum here on XDA and see if anybody there has seen the problem or has any troubleshooting tips.
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Nothing used from your list except system UI tuner when I experienced the problems. That would leave either a ROM and/or hardware issue IMO.

Cause and effect differential diagnosis
aybarrap1 said:
Nothing used from your list except system UI tuner when I experienced the problems. That would leave either a ROM and/or hardware issue IMO.
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Hmmm... That's also interesting, but I just don't see how system UI tuner could be harming anything. Do you have any other apps or settings at all that you think could be causing the issue?
If this were anything other than my primary, I'd hard reset and troubleshoot that way, but I don't exactly have the time to pull the rug out of an otherwise-working setup right now, so this is going to have to be done the hard way (or, in the case of hardware glitch, lived with).
At any rate, I discovered a new symptom earlier in the week. This time, Internet connection was lost, but only for WiFi, so the connection would actually fall back to Cellular and still continue to work. As before, toggling the connection had no effect, but rebooting the device "fixed" it. I thought maybe it was a fluke, since we'd had an AP hiccup over the weekend, (I refuse to reboot that thing because I'm going for an uptime record) but it happened again on Wednesday, so I'm not sure what to make of it.
Side-issue aside, I'm beginning to wonder if it's some kind of combination of network behavior and usage pattern that brings the issue about. It seems like if I stay within range of the WiFi network, no issue develops, but if I move out of its coverage and don't touch the phone for a while, that allows for ideal conditions under which to replicate the problem (sometimes). I haven't nailed down a consistent pattern yet, but the problem does emerge more often when I'm returning home than at other times. Any thoughts?
Update (3/24/2017; 12:32PM)
Scratch that last part about the issue only being triggered upon "arriving home." The problem happened again this morning, in the same general area. First, no WiFI, then, after resetting the connections, no cellular either. I captured a LogCat before rebooting this time though. Anyone want to take a crack at sifting through that to see if it offers any clues?

I lose cellular data, from time to time, I don't kow if I'm losing WiFi capability also, because I'm on the road when this happens.
It takes a reboot or switching in and out of airplane mode to regain data.
I have had this happen on TruPureXMM ROM and stock-rooted Marshmallow.
I have not spent much time on stock-unrooted, so i don't know if it would happen then, also.

Possible fix
Just to follow up on this again, I have finally reached the eighth day of uptime without the problem materializing, which is the longest that I was able to go before without it happening. This time, I went in to the developer options and disabled "Cellular data always active." I'd give it another couple days to know for sure, but if this sticks, then I think we might've found the fix!
pizza_pablo said:
I lose cellular data, from time to time, I don't kow if I'm losing WiFi capability also, because I'm on the road when this happens.
It takes a reboot or switching in and out of airplane mode to regain data.
I have had this happen on TruPureXMM ROM and stock-rooted Marshmallow.
I have not spent much time on stock-unrooted, so i don't know if it would happen then, also.
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If your trouble is isolated to just one connection and/or cycling the connection brings it back, then the issue you are experiencing is unrelated to the one described in this thread.

Bill720 said:
Just to follow up on this again, I have finally reached the eighth day of uptime without the problem materializing, which is the longest that I was able to go before without it happening. This time, I went in to the developer options and disabled "Cellular data always active." I'd give it another couple days to know for sure, but if this sticks, then I think we might've found the fix!
If your trouble is isolated to just one connection and/or cycling the connection brings it back, then the issue you are experiencing is unrelated to the one described in this thread.
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Cellular data always active should never be on (it's disabled in stock rom), except if you have VoLTE only with no fallback to 3G or 2G (Jio is the only provider that comes to mind, but this phone doesn't support their service anyway) or otherwise unusual scenarios I can't really think of.

Huh, and CELLULAR DATA ALWAYS ACTIVE (for faster network switching) sounds like such a good thing.
Mine was selected on.
My loss of data happens in the same spot, usually, but is not leaving wifi. Perhaps it is a tower to tower handoff spot.
I turned it off. Time will tell.
Thanks, fellas!

pizza_pablo said:
Huh, and CELLULAR DATA ALWAYS ACTIVE (for faster network switching) sounds like such a good thing.
Mine was selected on.
My loss of data happens in the same spot, usually, but is not leaving wifi. Perhaps it is a tower to tower handoff spot.
I turned it off. Time will tell.
Thanks, fellas!
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Always on is not necessarily a good thing. Reality is that when you lose or turn off WiFi, mobile data should only be delayed only by a second or two. There is no real benefit to having it on except for maybe VOLTE.

pizza_pablo said:
Huh, and CELLULAR DATA ALWAYS ACTIVE (for faster network switching) sounds like such a good thing.
Mine was selected on.
My loss of data happens in the same spot, usually, but is not leaving wifi. Perhaps it is a tower to tower handoff spot.
I turned it off. Time will tell.
Thanks, fellas!
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Actually, it's a battery killer more than anything else... It keeps cellular data active even when on WiFi.
It is possible it's a tower thing though. I have noticed at this one hotel I stay at frequently people tell me they call and it rings or just goes to voicemail even though I have good signal. After investigating it a bit, I'm in a spot that has nearly identical signal strength from 3 towers and it's a metro area so there are 4+ bands accessible... I've seen times watching LTE Discovery where it keeps switching bands and towers for 30 to 120 seconds or so, like it can't make up it's mind what to talk to because it's confused, then it locks on for a while before it starts it's cycle again. During those cycles I think is when people​ can't call me, can't really say if it affects internet or not since I tend not to use my phone too much in the evenings when I'm on the road (usually on laptop).

Uptime record, but... it's back
acejavelin said:
Cellular data always active should never be on (it's disabled in stock rom), except if you have VoLTE only with no fallback to 3G or 2G (Jio is the only provider that comes to mind, but this phone doesn't support their service anyway) or otherwise unusual scenarios I can't really think of.
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Interesting. I thought for sure that I had the default settings checked in there, but maybe I did change it early on and just forgot. Either way, waiting an extra five seconds to establish a data connection isn't that huge of a deal for me, so I'll leave it off anyway in exchange for battery life when the signal's poor.
At any rate, however, the problem has returned. I was just a few hours short of 9 days of uptime and really thought that I was out of the woods with this problem, but it has returned once again upon returning into range of the home access point. Looks like we're back to the drawing board on this one.
pizza_pablo said:
Huh, and CELLULAR DATA ALWAYS ACTIVE (for faster network switching) sounds like such a good thing.
Mine was selected on.
My loss of data happens in the same spot, usually, but is not leaving wifi. Perhaps it is a tower to tower handoff spot.
I turned it off. Time will tell.
Thanks, fellas!
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So you're having the same problem too? That makes at least four of us now. Do you mind sharing what Rom and flashed tweaks (Xposed Framework, A.R.I.S.E. audio, root, etc.) you're using as well as any unusual software or settings? Anything in common with my list on page 1?

Bill720 said:
So you're having the same problem too? That makes at least four of us now. Do you mind sharing what Rom and flashed tweaks (Xposed Framework, A.R.I.S.E. audio, root, etc.) you're using as well as any unusual software or settings? Anything in common with my list on page 1?
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I think we've established that my issue is different, but it has occurred on TruPureXMM and stock but rooted Marshmallow, both with Substratum, Xposed (Gravity Box only) and Viper Atmos.
Same as you =Titanium Backup

*another* new strategy (sigh)
For this week's shot in the dark, I'm going to try manually switching WiFi off before I leave anyplace covered by an access point. Since the problem seems to occur most often when connected to WiFi or when connecting to it, maybe this will make some kind of a difference.
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I think we've established that my issue is different, but it has occurred on TruPureXMM and stock but rooted Marshmallow, both with Substratum, Xposed (Gravity Box only) and Viper Atmos.
Same as you =Titanium Backup
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I see now; my mistake.