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Hello all. I had the XZ for around a week and a bit. I returned the device as I found the camera hugely disappointing in comparison to my old XS, which is a great snapper.
Camera quality is a big draw for me so I'm excited to hear that Sony have overhauled the crippling camera algorythms for this latest software update. I'm considering getting another XZ, as the S4 really doesn't interest me and the One's camera is patently sh*te in daylight conditions.
So, help please: Could you post pictures taken by your Z with the new software? I'm really keen to see the improvement and judge for myself.
(And, if anyone who has owned both could tell me, after the update, which is the better camera, the Xz or the XS?)
Well I have both devices and even before the update I felt the Zs camera was much better. The Ss camera held more detail. Yes! But that only gave it an advantage in daylight conditions. In all other conditions, the Z beats it hands down. The amount of noise on the Ss pictures are horrendous! Especially indoors and in low light.
After the update, the Z makes up the ground in detail but a lot of noise is also invited into the picture. Again, that's indoors and under low light.
The Zs camera is, as it's always been much better than the Ss.
Attached is a picture taken after the update, you can check the detail it preserves for yourself.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41689369
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Great comparisson. Detail seems higher now (thank god!) but noise is also higher, it seems. It's a trade off I can accept.
Keep 'em coming
Well I have both devices and even before the update I felt the Zs camera was much better. The Ss camera held more detail. Yes! But that only gave it an advantage in daylight conditions. In all other conditions, the Z beats it hands down. The amount of noise on the Ss pictures are horrendous! Especially indoors and in low light.
After the update, the Z makes up the ground in detail but a lot of noise is also invited into the picture. Again, that's indoors and under low light.
The Zs camera is, as it's always been much better than the Ss.
Attached is a picture taken after the update, you can check the detail it preserves for yourself.
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Great comparisson. Detail seems higher now (thank god!) but noise is also higher, it seems. It's a trade off I can accept.
Keep 'em coming
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Noise is higher when using superior auto, but with the normal mode it's pretty good I think.
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I didn't use superior auto in any of the pictures I posted, only normal mode with HDR on-off. If I used night mode/scene then the quality would be a lot better though. But I didn't thought of it at that time. You can see night mode pictures in the topic where I posted my pictures.
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uncompressed png taken with camera f5.. Image quality is a load better in .253 firmware!
Image on flickr uploaded using it's new "original" mode and it's 1TB of free storage, good job as the png is 15mb change the resolution if you want to see the original.
Grey and dreary day with poor light, I think the quality is pretty decent now, there's no way at all the earlier fw would have picked up the matting on the moorhen nesting raft.
http://flic.kr/p/eo44Gk
Xperia S first, Z second.
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Xperia S first, Z second.
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uncompressed png taken with camera f5.. Image quality is a load better in .253 firmware!
Image on flickr uploaded using it's new "original" mode and it's 1TB of free storage, good job as the png is 15mb change the resolution if you want to see the original.
Grey and dreary day with poor light, I think the quality is pretty decent now, there's no way at all the earlier fw would have picked up the matting on the moorhen nesting raft.
http://flic.kr/p/eo44Gk
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What is camera f5??
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What is camera f5??
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Camera fv5 is a camera app!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
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Camera fv5 is a camera app!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
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Cheers mate for the quick reply!
on auto mode size 4.2 MB
Here is some comparison of latest .253 Xperia Z camera v/s Galaxy Note II v/s iPhone 5.
My View:
1st pic - Exposure control the best in Xperia Z, iPhone 5 second, Note II is completely out, it is over expose.
2nd pic - Note II the best here, 2nd is iPhone 5, lastly Xperia Z.
3rd pic - Xperia Z still much closer to actual color - the best, Note II - not clear and not sharp, iPhone 5 - clear and sharp but too bright than actual.
In overall summary of 3 device camera:
Xperia Z - due to some issue on the superior auto mode which only generate noise now, need to pick scene mode or manual adjust for decent output. Point and shoot will be easier once Sony fix the Superior Mode. Now you still can get a decent in details just more step is required.
Note II - Probably due to too big size or whatever, it is easier get blur image, need some pressure to hold tide for decent output.
iPhone 5 - don't have much fancy setting, but iPhone 5 is the most easier point and shoot, you get 100% sharp in details image.
More camera shoot comparison of Xperia Z v/s iPhone 5. (No Note II this time as the owner not around).
My View:
1st photo - iPhone 5 win here, it capture more details than Xperia Z.
2nd photo - Both quite equal, but I like Xperia Z leaf color + iPhone 5 water pool color.
3rd photo - This one I give winner to Xperia Z, they is big sunlight there, Xperia Z can capture the light and color look alive.
4th photo - Obvious iPhone 5 great control of noise than Xperia Z here. Color wise iPhone 5 still a bit not correct as the light there is yellow spotlight rather than brown.
More Xperia Z .253 ROM - Camera test out:
For me it's simple, the superior auto mode on the Z isn't very good at all. It gets the white balance completely wrong. I think it's the auto setting for white balance, it doesn't seem to work. The camera focuses better when you select the right WB. Taking and posting auto shots of the Z does the camera a great disservice. The Xperia Zs camera right now, simply cannot function well as a point and shooter until Sony fixes the WB in auto mode.
For now, you've got to use normal camera and adjust the settings manually. It's straightforward, only four options, incandescent for low light, florescent for strong artificial lighting, daylight for clear blue skies and cloudy for well, as the name says, when the sunlight is obstructed by clouds.
As far as I'm concerned, fixing the auto WB issue as well as improving the quick focus would have done more to improve the Zs picture quality than the removal of image processing algorithms. For me, it did a lot of work cleaning up the pics. It certainly needed better and more intelligent implementation but that's all. Doesn't need to be canned.
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With New firmware. Haven't got a similar photo to compare but it appears more crisp and true to life than before the update.
I'm on an unbranded UK XZ, with global update 253 (one linked to in the flashtool tut thread)
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Again S first, Z second
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Ever since I got my Z1, I have been less than impressed by the camera performance.
One of the main reasons why I upgraded from the Z to the Z1 was the much better specs on the camera the Z1 was toting. Specs aside, I feel that the camera on the Z1 really can produce very good images, but in automatic shooting mode I almost never feel that the results are satisfactory.
So when the chance arrived, I got hold of the Nokia Lumia 1020 to see if the camera on this phone could do a better job. And boy was I surprised to see how big the difference is.
In automatic shooting mode the Z1 produces images with washed out colors and blurry detail compared to the 1020´s saturated and razor sharp results. In some lighting conditions the 1020 tends to oversaturate, but in my book a little oversaturation beats washed out and blurry details any day.
I have attached two sample shots taken indoor at night to demonstrate what I am talking about.
I really hope Sony can get their act together and fix the automatic shooting mode, as using manual mode simply is not an option most of the time I use my phone to shoot day to day pictures.
(Edit: The DSC-file is from the Z1, the WP-file is from the Nokia.)
-KJ
In the sample shots above the 1020 produces colors much closer to the real thing than the Z1. If you look at the foam on the beer and the details on the bottle label you also see that the Z1 has quite a bit of noise. The 1020 on the other hand has rich detail and next to no noise.
I will try to bring both phones around a little the next weeks to take some comparison shots in other lighting conditions.
Stay tuned.
-KJ
If possible, use a 3rd party camera app so that youre using the same software on both devices.
Z1 cam is only about advertising marketing lie. As i compare it to old Nokia n 95, 7 years old Nokia with 4mpx camera make much better photos. Shame for Sony. On that international presentation i will be punishment that Japan man ceo who lying us all
I'll like to see a third party to. A friend just bought the Z1 and the indoor pics was so bad, compared to our G2, N5 and One, that we told him to get the Z1 back. Surprisingly the store told him the cam was alright, it's was supposed to have yellowish grainy pics indoor...
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If possible, use a 3rd party camera app so that youre using the same software on both devices.
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This is a comparison of the stock capabilities of the phone. I bet 9x % of the people that are buying these phones are using the stock camera app. Also the 1020's camera app is a lot more advanced compared to the Z1's manual mode.
There's quite a few in depth comparisons out there comparing the hardware. I will keep this thread about the full auto experience.
-KJ
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Comparison isn't really good since it's just pic. And please post pics to Google+ or another host that shows some data about photos like ISO etc please. So we know settings are similar.
5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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Comparison isn't really good since it's just pic. And please post pics to Google+ or another host that shows some data about photos like ISO etc please. So we know settings are similar.
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As stated, this is not about what the cameras can produce if handled by skilled users. This is about pressing the camera button to wake the phone and snapping a pic. If the Z1 chooses ISO400 and the 1020 chooses ISO200, so be it. That will ultimately be a part of what differs between the cameras and will be part of how the result will look.
i will look at sharing full size files from OneDrive, giving you full access to exif.
-KJ
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5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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I have the Z1, I was not satisfied with the pictures it produces and got a Lumia 1020. What does S4 Zoom have to do with that?
-KJ
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I have the Z1, I was not satisfied with the pictures it produces and got a Lumia 1020. What does S4 Zoom have to do with that?
-KJ
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cause both are made around camera concept ... Z1 is all around winner Top Notch Performance Decent Real Camera (Natural colors) and WaterProof
Again; what on earth does that have to do with the topic I started?
Waterproofing and performance just does not matter when it comes to picture quality.
Of course personal preference will add in, but no matter how you look at the pictures I have attached here, the 1020 kills the Z1.
I am not trying to label the Z1 as a bad camera, it's just not as good as it cold be _in automatic mode_.
I have taken some night pictures with the Z1 in manual mode that I find pretty damned good for a phone. But this thread is about the default images produced with stock apps in automatic mode.
-KJ
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Call me crazy, and maybe im trolling a little, but if somebody's priority is high quality pictures, their tool of choice should be an actual camera.
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5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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True. About the contrast and saturation part.
I always have to add a bit of contrast and saturation and it makes the images way better.
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Call me crazy, and maybe im trolling a little, but if somebody's priority is high quality pictures, their tool of choice should be an actual camera.
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As someone who enjoys photography your absolutely right, but caring around my K3 at all times isn't what I do either. When I was in New Zealand I found myself using my Galaxy Note 1 quite a bit. I got some really good shots with it as well. The Z1 does have it's moments in good light but Auto mode isn't the best, but really i can't remember the last time I used a camera in auto mode anyways. The major issue is that high megapixels almost always adds noise. The Z1 has 21MP in such a tiny sensor i think it's just the nature of the beast here.
My one and major tip to those who have issues with noise is to use a good de-noising software tool. Shoot in manual at the highest settings and the use post processing to clean it up. The built in Sony algorithm is bad to say the least. The nokia does seem to take better pictures more often but not by a large amount. I have seen many cases where the Z1 beats it in colour rendition as well. I fully agree that Sony's auto mode is very hit or miss though.
Follow those threads please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642784
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So here are a few sample I just did. They are labeled to show one done with photoshop, one done using perfectly clear plugin from play store, one left in superior auto state and one just left with manual.
Here is the full resolution link:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bx1E2oK6YDuLTGZ0c283bGtqS2c&usp=sharing
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Again; what on earth does that have to do with the topic I started?
Waterproofing and performance just does not matter when it comes to picture quality.
Of course personal preference will add in, but no matter how you look at the pictures I have attached here, the 1020 kills the Z1.
I am not trying to label the Z1 as a bad camera, it's just not as good as it cold be _in automatic mode_.
I have taken some night pictures with the Z1 in manual mode that I find pretty damned good for a phone. But this thread is about the default images produced with stock apps in automatic mode.
-KJ
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Don't argue with sony fanboys, you won't win.
Z1's camera won't win when comparing with lumia 1020. Please just accept that, sony fanboys. The hardware is there, and the software as well. the latest update (or before latest) for lumia 1020 has adjusted its photo's color saturation, making its camera almost perfect. Meanwhile, sony is busy making kitkat, so let's see how that will affect our Z1's camera.
You can take some really good pics with manual settings but SA is crap.When i want to to shoot something fast i just use FV-5.The results are much better.I am mad at sony.After several months and updates the camera is still bad unless you play with manual settings...
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Don't argue with sony fanboys, you won't win.
Z1's camera won't win when comparing with lumia 1020. Please just accept that, sony fanboys. The hardware is there, and the software as well. the latest update (or before latest) for lumia 1020 has adjusted its photo's color saturation, making its camera almost perfect. Meanwhile, sony is busy making kitkat, so let's see how that will affect our Z1's camera.
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Sony fanboy sending from his s4 zoom defending sony flagship and praising the 5 oversampled pixels of the lumia.
SOME GUYS just need to grow up a hell of a difference between Constructive Criticism and a critic for just a critic without the will to understand .
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i think many of you z1c users have experienced the problem of bluring in a image especially taking photos of landscapes and sceneries .. in which details matter the most.. A 20.7 MP camera is expected to fulfil the need of clarity and detail to some extent when it comes to these photos.. The problem with Sony's official camera app is that it blurs some parts of the photo and give us a somewhat blurred image.. This however can be solved using a third party camera app... I have used two of them (camera fx and procapture) both giving better result than sony's official camera app.. I dont know whether z2 camera app has solved this or not but for now a third party app is my best bet to get the most out of the the camera!! Will post more camparitive photos in the coming days..
I have also noticed this blurring. I tried camera zoom fx, but for whatever reason I can't stand the UI. So I have been using Camera Fv-5, it is an improvement, however I will be trying more.
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Did somebody try the new Z2 Cam App? Its available for all xperia devices.
Probably there are some improvements.
Didnt tried it because of the libraries were not available for timeshift and 4k video.. Many people are working on it on Z1 forum.. Hopefully will see it soon.. And more importantly.. I hope this blurring effect is solved..
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Did somebody try the new Z2 Cam App? Its available for all xperia devices.
Probably there are some improvements.
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I did try, but the camera module looks exactly the same. Could be something with the libs, but it doesn't really matter. The pics are still blurred.
Can someone post examples with stock and third party app? I don't see the bluring in my pics.
I went to a retail store, and z1's photo have more details than the compact.
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i think many of you z1c users have experienced the problem of bluring in a image especially taking photos of landscapes and sceneries .. in which details matter the most.. A 20.7 MP camera is expected to fulfil the need of clarity and detail to some extent when it comes to these photos.. The problem with Sony's official camera app is that it blurs some parts of the photo and give us a somewhat blurred image.. This however can be solved using a third party camera app... I have used two of them (camera fx and procapture) both giving better result than sony's official camera app.. I dont know whether z2 camera app has solved this or not but for now a third party app is my best bet to get the most out of the the camera!! Will post more camparitive photos in the coming days..
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In different app, but equal setting:
ZX1C focus/defocus
In my opinion the stock kamera app doesn't right focus setting.
Camera FV 5
After the recommendation of many Camera FV 5 users.. I gave it a shot.. and I was not disappointed.. The customization and the result stand out from all the other apps.. focus is pretty damn good and no more blury pictures.. and no details ignored.. only day time test left.. night samples are better than I expected!
Is there anyway to change which camera app opens from the lockscreen. I want FV5 to launch from the lockscreen not sony's app. I'm running stock KK.
VSCO Camera is pretty good. I am also wondering from the post above if there is a way to change the default camera on the lock screen.
Snap camera is one of my favourite.
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you should post more various pics (8MP/20MP) from other apps, gives a better idea. the first post pic isn't exactly clear in either shot
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I have also noticed this blurring. I tried camera zoom fx, but for whatever reason I can't stand the UI. So I have been using Camera Fv-5, it is an improvement, however I will be trying more.
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Try to play with iso settings tray iso 50 or 100 for 20.7 image
Hi all,
besides some blur on certain conditions(low light) what I most regret of this 20mpx camera on the Z1Compact is that all pictures looks like washed out, like without proper contrast or white balance is incorrect.
I have tried in Manual Mode with ISO 50, 100, 200, also moving the exposure control on the screen, white balance in automatic and also 'sun' or 'light bulb', most of the shots don't have vivid colors.
I come from Samsung Galaxy SII, then I had S4, then a Note 3 ... (then I realized that big phones are not comfortable to carry in the pocket all day and switched to Z1Compact), all Samsung phones had different colors on taken pictures, more vivid.
Any advise on how to take better pictures with Z1Compact?
Thanks.
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I went to a retail store, and z1's photo have more details than the compact.
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Having owned both, the Z1 *looks* like the photos are better because the screen has higher resolution (1080p), but in reality when you load photos onto a computer, the Z1C is distinctly better.
Also when I changed my back case from plastic to glass (which also replaces the glass over the camera lens) I noticed a small improvement in sharpness, particularly in the corners.
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Also when I changed my back case from plastic to glass (which also replaces the glass over the camera lens) I noticed a small improvement in sharpness, particularly in the corners.
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Hi,
where did buy the back cover replacement? Can you share a link or PM me the link if you're not allowed to post it in the forum?
Thanks.
I have 'Snap' running on CM12 and I'm initially very impressed.........opens up the 20 meg Cyber-shot camera ability nicely.
RAW file access would be nice so we could then import to a hardcore editor on a PC....and I'm sure that wouldn't be too difficult to sort out with an update.....but for a few pennies it's way way better than the google camera app that comes with CM12.
Have you tried using the Camera2 API in snap? I cant tell if it makes a difference or not...
In .242 fw doesn't work the Camera2 API...
I am curious if the Pixel camera ports to the 5x/6p which use apparently the same quality sensors will give similar HDR+ quality results as the Pixel cameras ?
I have reads speeds are faster with ports.........but are the photo quality results the same with 6p 5x........in HDR+ mode ........which is the default mode for Pixel cameras and the mode that gives the high quality photo quality. ..............compared to Pixel camera samples.
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Just think a little bit. The hardware is not the same. How do you expect to have the same quality?
The most significant hardware difference is the phase detection af, which should only result in faster focus time in good lighting.
I have the app installed and the instant shutter with hdr+ is pretty awesome. Also no delay between taking multiple photos quickly. No post processing moving circle displayed after snapping photo.
I think one reason it feels quicker is it will allow you to take the photo before af locks, so there is no delay when hitting the shutter.
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Just think a little bit. The hardware is not the same. How do you expect to have the same quality?
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More or less the same quality, could be that the isp can't handle the same amount of pics (9 in good light) as the 821. But mostly the same quality I think. I have had the Pixel and a 6P at the same time. The pixel has way better battery and smoothness thought. But that's what you suppose to get from another 500€ [emoji33]
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Just think a little bit. The hardware is not the same. How do you expect to have the same quality?
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Outside of sensor quality, and I know sensor is generally the biggest differnce, but what really sets photo quality apart in latest flagship phones is image 'processing'.......that is actually what most significantly sets most phone cameras from one another.....................not particularly hardware.
It is possible last gen google cameras use the same base sensor, where the pixel sensor may use some added circuity to allow faster capturing............to make it more "optimized' for certain algorithms and techniques with regard to SPEED.
But it is possible to apply the same algorithm (processing) to older sensor output which could be the same. ......although maybe slower.
So it looks like GSM Arena got hold of the XZ Premium and did some photo comparisons with iPhone 7. While in bright light the photos are very good, I'm very concerned about the low light performance.
From the photo they posted it looks like XZ Premium suffers from same issue with aggressive post processing as the original XZ did.
What do you guys think? I personally hate it a sit looks like some artsy filter not a normal photo!
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So it looks like GSM Arena got hold of the XZ Premium and did some photo comparisons with iPhone 7. While in bright light the photos are very good, I'm very concerned about the low light performance.
From the photo they posted it looks like XZ Premium suffers from same issue with aggressive post processing as the original XZ did.
What do you guys think? I personally hate it a sit looks like some artsy filter not a normal photo!
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Xz Premium is better then Xz, Xzs in post procesing...But it have only f 2,0 aperture, then in low light isnt good as etc. S8
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Xz Premium is better then Xz, Xzs in post procesing...But it have only f 2,0 aperture, then in low light isnt good as etc. S8
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There is no difference between XZ Premium any XZs. They have the exact same camera sensors and software.
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Sensination said:
There is no difference between XZ Premium any XZs. They have the exact same camera sensors and software.
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No. I saw photo comparison between Xzs and XZ Premium... And Xz Premium has better post procesing than Xzs...They have same camera sensor, but software is worser in Xzs.
Photo comparison from GSM Arena.
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Photo comparison from GSM Arena.
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It's not the software difference. Can you see that ISO and shutter times are different? That's why photos look differently.
There is no way they have different software for camera.
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It's not the software difference. Can you see that ISO and shutter times are different? That's why photos look differently.
There is no way they have different software for camera.
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More ISO= more Noise... Xzs have lower ISO and is worser than Xz Premium...only shutter speed is difeferent... Just wait for full comparison...
They also report that the edge softness seen in the XZ and ZXs is basically gone in the, XZ premium
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g6_samsung_galaxy_s8_sony_xperia_xz_premium-review-1612.php
Sony xperia XZ Premium wins in low light shot between S8 and G6..but only on tripod and manual settings ....
I have my xz premium for 2 days now and I really like the camera. In daylight it absolutely performs way better then my old s7 edge. In low light situations the xzp camera struggles a bit but overall I am pleasantly surprised. I was afraid the camera would have the same noise issues like normal xz again but that is absolutely not the case.
I added some samples for reference.
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I have my xz premium for 2 days now and I really like the camera. In daylight it absolutely performs way better then my old s7 edge. In low light situations the xzp camera struggles a bit but overall I am pleasantly surprised. I was afraid the camera would have the same noise issues like normal xz again but that is absolutely not the case.
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Are those done thru auto or manual setting? They look great and so does that bowl of Pho!