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Hello all. I had the XZ for around a week and a bit. I returned the device as I found the camera hugely disappointing in comparison to my old XS, which is a great snapper.
Camera quality is a big draw for me so I'm excited to hear that Sony have overhauled the crippling camera algorythms for this latest software update. I'm considering getting another XZ, as the S4 really doesn't interest me and the One's camera is patently sh*te in daylight conditions.
So, help please: Could you post pictures taken by your Z with the new software? I'm really keen to see the improvement and judge for myself.
(And, if anyone who has owned both could tell me, after the update, which is the better camera, the Xz or the XS?)
Well I have both devices and even before the update I felt the Zs camera was much better. The Ss camera held more detail. Yes! But that only gave it an advantage in daylight conditions. In all other conditions, the Z beats it hands down. The amount of noise on the Ss pictures are horrendous! Especially indoors and in low light.
After the update, the Z makes up the ground in detail but a lot of noise is also invited into the picture. Again, that's indoors and under low light.
The Zs camera is, as it's always been much better than the Ss.
Attached is a picture taken after the update, you can check the detail it preserves for yourself.
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Here it is.
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Great comparisson. Detail seems higher now (thank god!) but noise is also higher, it seems. It's a trade off I can accept.
Keep 'em coming
Well I have both devices and even before the update I felt the Zs camera was much better. The Ss camera held more detail. Yes! But that only gave it an advantage in daylight conditions. In all other conditions, the Z beats it hands down. The amount of noise on the Ss pictures are horrendous! Especially indoors and in low light.
After the update, the Z makes up the ground in detail but a lot of noise is also invited into the picture. Again, that's indoors and under low light.
The Zs camera is, as it's always been much better than the Ss.
Attached is a picture taken after the update, you can check the detail it preserves for yourself.
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Timaustin2000 said:
Great comparisson. Detail seems higher now (thank god!) but noise is also higher, it seems. It's a trade off I can accept.
Keep 'em coming
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Noise is higher when using superior auto, but with the normal mode it's pretty good I think.
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I didn't use superior auto in any of the pictures I posted, only normal mode with HDR on-off. If I used night mode/scene then the quality would be a lot better though. But I didn't thought of it at that time. You can see night mode pictures in the topic where I posted my pictures.
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uncompressed png taken with camera f5.. Image quality is a load better in .253 firmware!
Image on flickr uploaded using it's new "original" mode and it's 1TB of free storage, good job as the png is 15mb change the resolution if you want to see the original.
Grey and dreary day with poor light, I think the quality is pretty decent now, there's no way at all the earlier fw would have picked up the matting on the moorhen nesting raft.
http://flic.kr/p/eo44Gk
Xperia S first, Z second.
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Xperia S first, Z second.
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fards said:
uncompressed png taken with camera f5.. Image quality is a load better in .253 firmware!
Image on flickr uploaded using it's new "original" mode and it's 1TB of free storage, good job as the png is 15mb change the resolution if you want to see the original.
Grey and dreary day with poor light, I think the quality is pretty decent now, there's no way at all the earlier fw would have picked up the matting on the moorhen nesting raft.
http://flic.kr/p/eo44Gk
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What is camera f5??
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What is camera f5??
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Camera fv5 is a camera app!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
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Camera fv5 is a camera app!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
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Cheers mate for the quick reply!
on auto mode size 4.2 MB
Here is some comparison of latest .253 Xperia Z camera v/s Galaxy Note II v/s iPhone 5.
My View:
1st pic - Exposure control the best in Xperia Z, iPhone 5 second, Note II is completely out, it is over expose.
2nd pic - Note II the best here, 2nd is iPhone 5, lastly Xperia Z.
3rd pic - Xperia Z still much closer to actual color - the best, Note II - not clear and not sharp, iPhone 5 - clear and sharp but too bright than actual.
In overall summary of 3 device camera:
Xperia Z - due to some issue on the superior auto mode which only generate noise now, need to pick scene mode or manual adjust for decent output. Point and shoot will be easier once Sony fix the Superior Mode. Now you still can get a decent in details just more step is required.
Note II - Probably due to too big size or whatever, it is easier get blur image, need some pressure to hold tide for decent output.
iPhone 5 - don't have much fancy setting, but iPhone 5 is the most easier point and shoot, you get 100% sharp in details image.
More camera shoot comparison of Xperia Z v/s iPhone 5. (No Note II this time as the owner not around).
My View:
1st photo - iPhone 5 win here, it capture more details than Xperia Z.
2nd photo - Both quite equal, but I like Xperia Z leaf color + iPhone 5 water pool color.
3rd photo - This one I give winner to Xperia Z, they is big sunlight there, Xperia Z can capture the light and color look alive.
4th photo - Obvious iPhone 5 great control of noise than Xperia Z here. Color wise iPhone 5 still a bit not correct as the light there is yellow spotlight rather than brown.
More Xperia Z .253 ROM - Camera test out:
For me it's simple, the superior auto mode on the Z isn't very good at all. It gets the white balance completely wrong. I think it's the auto setting for white balance, it doesn't seem to work. The camera focuses better when you select the right WB. Taking and posting auto shots of the Z does the camera a great disservice. The Xperia Zs camera right now, simply cannot function well as a point and shooter until Sony fixes the WB in auto mode.
For now, you've got to use normal camera and adjust the settings manually. It's straightforward, only four options, incandescent for low light, florescent for strong artificial lighting, daylight for clear blue skies and cloudy for well, as the name says, when the sunlight is obstructed by clouds.
As far as I'm concerned, fixing the auto WB issue as well as improving the quick focus would have done more to improve the Zs picture quality than the removal of image processing algorithms. For me, it did a lot of work cleaning up the pics. It certainly needed better and more intelligent implementation but that's all. Doesn't need to be canned.
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With New firmware. Haven't got a similar photo to compare but it appears more crisp and true to life than before the update.
I'm on an unbranded UK XZ, with global update 253 (one linked to in the flashtool tut thread)
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Again S first, Z second
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Ever since I got my Z1, I have been less than impressed by the camera performance.
One of the main reasons why I upgraded from the Z to the Z1 was the much better specs on the camera the Z1 was toting. Specs aside, I feel that the camera on the Z1 really can produce very good images, but in automatic shooting mode I almost never feel that the results are satisfactory.
So when the chance arrived, I got hold of the Nokia Lumia 1020 to see if the camera on this phone could do a better job. And boy was I surprised to see how big the difference is.
In automatic shooting mode the Z1 produces images with washed out colors and blurry detail compared to the 1020´s saturated and razor sharp results. In some lighting conditions the 1020 tends to oversaturate, but in my book a little oversaturation beats washed out and blurry details any day.
I have attached two sample shots taken indoor at night to demonstrate what I am talking about.
I really hope Sony can get their act together and fix the automatic shooting mode, as using manual mode simply is not an option most of the time I use my phone to shoot day to day pictures.
(Edit: The DSC-file is from the Z1, the WP-file is from the Nokia.)
-KJ
In the sample shots above the 1020 produces colors much closer to the real thing than the Z1. If you look at the foam on the beer and the details on the bottle label you also see that the Z1 has quite a bit of noise. The 1020 on the other hand has rich detail and next to no noise.
I will try to bring both phones around a little the next weeks to take some comparison shots in other lighting conditions.
Stay tuned.
-KJ
If possible, use a 3rd party camera app so that youre using the same software on both devices.
Z1 cam is only about advertising marketing lie. As i compare it to old Nokia n 95, 7 years old Nokia with 4mpx camera make much better photos. Shame for Sony. On that international presentation i will be punishment that Japan man ceo who lying us all
I'll like to see a third party to. A friend just bought the Z1 and the indoor pics was so bad, compared to our G2, N5 and One, that we told him to get the Z1 back. Surprisingly the store told him the cam was alright, it's was supposed to have yellowish grainy pics indoor...
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If possible, use a 3rd party camera app so that youre using the same software on both devices.
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This is a comparison of the stock capabilities of the phone. I bet 9x % of the people that are buying these phones are using the stock camera app. Also the 1020's camera app is a lot more advanced compared to the Z1's manual mode.
There's quite a few in depth comparisons out there comparing the hardware. I will keep this thread about the full auto experience.
-KJ
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Comparison isn't really good since it's just pic. And please post pics to Google+ or another host that shows some data about photos like ISO etc please. So we know settings are similar.
5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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Comparison isn't really good since it's just pic. And please post pics to Google+ or another host that shows some data about photos like ISO etc please. So we know settings are similar.
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As stated, this is not about what the cameras can produce if handled by skilled users. This is about pressing the camera button to wake the phone and snapping a pic. If the Z1 chooses ISO400 and the 1020 chooses ISO200, so be it. That will ultimately be a part of what differs between the cameras and will be part of how the result will look.
i will look at sharing full size files from OneDrive, giving you full access to exif.
-KJ
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5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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I have the Z1, I was not satisfied with the pictures it produces and got a Lumia 1020. What does S4 Zoom have to do with that?
-KJ
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I have the Z1, I was not satisfied with the pictures it produces and got a Lumia 1020. What does S4 Zoom have to do with that?
-KJ
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cause both are made around camera concept ... Z1 is all around winner Top Notch Performance Decent Real Camera (Natural colors) and WaterProof
Again; what on earth does that have to do with the topic I started?
Waterproofing and performance just does not matter when it comes to picture quality.
Of course personal preference will add in, but no matter how you look at the pictures I have attached here, the 1020 kills the Z1.
I am not trying to label the Z1 as a bad camera, it's just not as good as it cold be _in automatic mode_.
I have taken some night pictures with the Z1 in manual mode that I find pretty damned good for a phone. But this thread is about the default images produced with stock apps in automatic mode.
-KJ
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Call me crazy, and maybe im trolling a little, but if somebody's priority is high quality pictures, their tool of choice should be an actual camera.
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5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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True. About the contrast and saturation part.
I always have to add a bit of contrast and saturation and it makes the images way better.
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Call me crazy, and maybe im trolling a little, but if somebody's priority is high quality pictures, their tool of choice should be an actual camera.
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As someone who enjoys photography your absolutely right, but caring around my K3 at all times isn't what I do either. When I was in New Zealand I found myself using my Galaxy Note 1 quite a bit. I got some really good shots with it as well. The Z1 does have it's moments in good light but Auto mode isn't the best, but really i can't remember the last time I used a camera in auto mode anyways. The major issue is that high megapixels almost always adds noise. The Z1 has 21MP in such a tiny sensor i think it's just the nature of the beast here.
My one and major tip to those who have issues with noise is to use a good de-noising software tool. Shoot in manual at the highest settings and the use post processing to clean it up. The built in Sony algorithm is bad to say the least. The nokia does seem to take better pictures more often but not by a large amount. I have seen many cases where the Z1 beats it in colour rendition as well. I fully agree that Sony's auto mode is very hit or miss though.
Follow those threads please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642784
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So here are a few sample I just did. They are labeled to show one done with photoshop, one done using perfectly clear plugin from play store, one left in superior auto state and one just left with manual.
Here is the full resolution link:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bx1E2oK6YDuLTGZ0c283bGtqS2c&usp=sharing
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Again; what on earth does that have to do with the topic I started?
Waterproofing and performance just does not matter when it comes to picture quality.
Of course personal preference will add in, but no matter how you look at the pictures I have attached here, the 1020 kills the Z1.
I am not trying to label the Z1 as a bad camera, it's just not as good as it cold be _in automatic mode_.
I have taken some night pictures with the Z1 in manual mode that I find pretty damned good for a phone. But this thread is about the default images produced with stock apps in automatic mode.
-KJ
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Don't argue with sony fanboys, you won't win.
Z1's camera won't win when comparing with lumia 1020. Please just accept that, sony fanboys. The hardware is there, and the software as well. the latest update (or before latest) for lumia 1020 has adjusted its photo's color saturation, making its camera almost perfect. Meanwhile, sony is busy making kitkat, so let's see how that will affect our Z1's camera.
You can take some really good pics with manual settings but SA is crap.When i want to to shoot something fast i just use FV-5.The results are much better.I am mad at sony.After several months and updates the camera is still bad unless you play with manual settings...
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Don't argue with sony fanboys, you won't win.
Z1's camera won't win when comparing with lumia 1020. Please just accept that, sony fanboys. The hardware is there, and the software as well. the latest update (or before latest) for lumia 1020 has adjusted its photo's color saturation, making its camera almost perfect. Meanwhile, sony is busy making kitkat, so let's see how that will affect our Z1's camera.
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Sony fanboy sending from his s4 zoom defending sony flagship and praising the 5 oversampled pixels of the lumia.
SOME GUYS just need to grow up a hell of a difference between Constructive Criticism and a critic for just a critic without the will to understand .
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Hi. I have xperia sp.
It has the worst 8MP camera i'v ever seen.
images and videos are always grainy no matter what light conditions are.
every image has noise. its quality is equivalent to some 2MP shooter.
Is any one experiencing same issue? Is this software issue or hardware??
Please help me. after spending so much of money m not at all happy with the camera quality.... feeling cheated
xperia SP
Clean your camera lens first..
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absolutely true. worst camera considering the brand Sony. Micromax has better camera than SP. cleaning camera lens or cover does not improve anything.
I regret buying this phone. should have gone for ZR
I us this camera mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655322 on cm11 and it's nice.
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Regretting buying a phone just because of crappy camera? And you feel cheated? It's not like Sony forced you to buy it and said its camera is excellent. In fact, all of the reviews say that the camera is bad and not good enough. Do some research before buying a phone. And don't expect wonders from a mid range with such high end specs
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No better pic. On the other ones are my family.
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For me it is not the worst. Stock 4.1.2. Superior auto mode. Indoor could be better though.
outdoor
indoor
my camera works just fine, you need to fine tune the settings
vvstorm2 said:
Hi. I have xperia sp.
It has the worst 8MP camera i'v ever seen.
images and videos are always grainy no matter what light conditions are.
every image has noise. its quality is equivalent to some 2MP shooter.
Is any one experiencing same issue? Is this software issue or hardware??
Please help me. after spending so much of money m not at all happy with the camera quality.... feeling cheated
xperia SP
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Don't worry...!! All the Xperia SP got worst camera like you...!! It has worst camera than all other sony devices I've used till now..!!
sell your phone and buy new a phone
Okay i do not get all of ur complaints bout xperia SP's camera
The camera is pretty good, ya we cant compare to high end devices, but its still pretty good man
I was able to take perfectly clear pics of cells with this camera via a microscope, which i cudnt using a iphone 5
First 3 pics are from 4.1
Other 3 are from 4.3
I do not get how you can say its really bad :-/
Just try to take multiple pics, then delete all except best, or use burst
Low light is not as good
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honestly, the camera is fine, take it off superior auto and put it on manual and take a better pic, its not the camera its the photographer. now to prove this theory, please try and tell me what camera took this un-edited, un-filtered un modified pic
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honestly, the camera is fine, take it off superior auto and put it on manual and take a better pic, its not the camera its the photographer. now to prove this theory, please try and tell me what camera took this un-edited, un-filtered un modified pic
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okay there is no argue here
that picture is just... OMG XD
thanks brotha, feel free to use the pic if you wish
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Regretting buying a phone just because of crappy camera? And you feel cheated? It's not like Sony forced you to buy it and said its camera is excellent. In fact, all of the reviews say that the camera is bad and not good enough. Do some research before buying a phone. And don't expect wonders from a mid range with such high end specs
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i am saying this because i have compared pics taken by xperia sp and xperia L. (in auto mode and in manual mode with same settings.)
xperia L inspite of being cheaper than xperia sp has nice camera quality and much less noise whereas xperia sp always has noise which drastically reduces the quality as compared to xperia L (Which is cheaper 8MP shooter)
and i am saying it because sony is advertising xperia sp and xperia L both for 8 mp shooter with "Sony Exmor RS™ for mobile image sensor"
How the same sensor with same resolution can produce so much of noise on xperia sp
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i am saying this because i have compared pics taken by xperia sp and xperia L. (in auto mode and in manual mode with same settings.)
xperia L inspite of being cheaper than xperia sp has nice camera quality and much less noise whereas xperia sp always has noise which drastically reduces the quality as compared to xperia L (Which is cheaper 8MP shooter)
and i am saying it because sony is advertising xperia sp and xperia L both for 8 mp shooter with "Sony Exmor RS™ for mobile image sensor"
How the same sensor with same resolution can produce so much of noise on xperia sp
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Because they have to sell both.
L for camera
SP for GPU and illumination bar.
These are market tactics and every manufacturer does it. Dont say you dont know this. My desire x was a low/midranger, with excellent camera, but crappy everything else. every set is made to sell for 1 or two points, and flagships are made to cover all of the points. simple.
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Because they have to sell both.
L for camera
SP for GPU and illumination bar.
These are market tactics and every manufacturer does it. Dont say you dont know this. My desire x was a low/midranger, with excellent camera, but crappy everything else. every set is made to sell for 1 or two points, and flagships are made to cover all of the points. simple.
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Can i use any specific custom ROM for xperia SP which will have a better camera than what stock ROM has.??
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Can i use any specific custom ROM for xperia SP which will have a better camera than what stock ROM has.??
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Changing ROM wont change camera result. however you can try some camera apps from play store. like camera mx and camera 360 etc...
Some focus issues are solved by using 3rd paarty apps. But still, nothing great or extraordinary. Its a decent camera, not a world-beater. you have to accept and live with the fact like all of us. cheers
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my camera works just fine, you need to fine tune the settings
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Do you have any settings to take a nice picture? Please share
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meshramjatin said:
Do you have any settings to take a nice picture? Please share
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i change the settings after every pic but i will post what i generally do
First of all put the phone in manual mode auto is ok but not great
set the focus to single auto focus
put on image stabilizer
you should put the phone to take 5mp 16:9 photos not 8mp 4:3
when you are about to take the picture set the exposure so that the pic isnt too bright or too dark
set the white balance now and change it till the pic looks right
now you must click the camera shutter so it focuses the pic then after 1-2 seconds take the shot :good:
I am interested in both these phones and am having trouble deciding due to the various camera reviews.
I am specifically interested in how each camera handles moving objects like kids or pets running as this is what I take most pics of.
Please post any samples here. Thanks kindly.
Edit - please don't post any YouTube links. I have watched every video comparing the two. Real world results are much better for everyone here.
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ipmanwck said:
I am interested in both these phones and am having trouble deciding due to the various camera reviews.
I am specifically interested in how each camera handles moving objects like kids or pets running as this is what I take most pics of.
Please post any samples here. Thanks kindly.
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I didn't have the Z2, but I had the Z1 and it was by far the worst camera I had used on any phone. All the pics had a huge amount of noise and tended to look painted. When the Kit Kat update came and there was no improvement I moved on from the Z1. Seeing as the Z1 and Z2 have the same camera I imagine it's the same situation with the Z2.
The G3 camera is at the opposite end of the spectrum and delivers the best still shots I have seen on a phone, certainly comparable to a dedicated camera. Absolutely no regrets moving on from the Z1 or M8 to this phone.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/LG-G3-vs-Sony-Xperia-Z2_id3727/page/3
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I have to say I have a z2 and it is by far the BEST camera I have ever used in a smart phone. -MOD EDIT- and no swearing please.It has been rated the best camera on the market over the I phone. And where the person said the pictures looked painted it's because the pictures are really that clear. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real. I had an s4 which was a 13 mp camera which was very good but this z2 in auto mode which is only 8mp and it takes beautiful pictures. And yes the comparison where it won was compared in 8mp mode so the playing field was even. You can shoot in 15.5 and 20.7 mp modes and it shoots amazing motion pictures. I take lots of pictures of my dogs playing and running and jumping and there is no noise and blows away the htc one m8 and the galaxy s5.I don't think the g3 could possibly take better pictures. I haven't used one because it's not available but trust me sony makes absolutely amazing phone cameras. They probably made the ones on the g3 and s5.but the z2s is a higher megapixel. And it's on a Sony product.
I hope the Z2 is way better than Z1, because Z1 is just an ok cam.
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The person who said it is the worst camera ever is an idiot. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real.
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Actually I said the Z1 was the worst phone camera I had used as it had a lot of artifacting and noise. I can imagine there might have been some improvement with the Z2. Heck I was taking better pictures with the M8 than with my Z1.
This is not my opinion alone, take a look at some of the earlier posts in the Z1 picture thread.
In any event the G3 has a really good camera that I enjoy. YMMV.
I'm in the same boat. I'm choosing between the G3 and Z2, and camera is the most important thing for me since I take a lot of pics of my 3 kids, so particularly picture of moving object.
I did a lot of reading on G3 vs. Z2 and their camera. This one seems to have the most details:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...one-5s-LG-G2-Sony-Xperia-Z2-HTC-One-M8_id3728
In this review G3 did very well, best in 2 of the 3 main categories (detail and indoor), and best in 3 of the 4 minor categories (Panorama, HDR, and night). However it didn't talk much about picture of moving objects. I'd appreciate input on specifically this.
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I have to say I have a z2 and it is by far the BEST camera I have ever used in a smart phone. -MOD EDIT- and no swearing please.It has been rated the best camera on the market over the I phone. And where the person said the pictures looked painted it's because the pictures are really that clear. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real. I had an s4 which was a 13 mp camera which was very good but this z2 in auto mode which is only 8mp and it takes beautiful pictures. And yes the comparison where it won was compared in 8mp mode so the playing field was even. You can shoot in 15.5 and 20.7 mp modes and it shoots amazing motion pictures. I take lots of pictures of my dogs playing and running and jumping and there is no noise and blows away the htc one m8 and the galaxy s5.I don't think the g3 could possibly take better pictures. I haven't used one because it's not available but trust me sony makes absolutely amazing phone cameras. They probably made the ones on the g3 and s5.but the z2s is a higher megapixel. And it's on a Sony product.
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This is the kind of feedback we are after in here. Thanks so much for the info. Could you please post some pics here of your moving pets in 8mp superior mode that would be really helpful. Thanks again.
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Any smartphone is going to struggle when taking shots of moving objects. That's simply due to the size of the sensor and how fast the lens operates.
A good test is to get someone to stand still in front of the lens and take a shot whilst they are waving back at you.
A decent digital camera with a good fast lens will keep both the person and their waving hand clear and sharp.
A blur free shot will require a fast shutter, something a smartphone struggles to achieve in anything other than bright and clear lighting.
Beards said:
Any smartphone is going to struggle when taking shots of moving objects. That's simply due to the size of the sensor and how fast the lens operates.
A good test is to get someone to stand still in front of the lens and take a shot whilst they are waving back at you.
A decent digital camera with a good fast lens will keep both the person and their waving hand clear and sharp.
A blur free shot will require a fast shutter, something a smartphone struggles to achieve in anything other than bright and clear lighting.
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Thanks for the info but as the title states I just want real world comparisons. Some mobiles capture .motion much better than others and due to the bigger sensor was hoping z2 would do well but jury is still out until further pics are posted.
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ipmanwck said:
Thanks for the info but as the title states I just want real world comparisons. Some mobiles capture .motion much better than others and due to the bigger sensor was hoping z2 would do well but jury is still out until further pics are posted.
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No problem.
To part answer your request, the Sony Z2 has a slightly larger sensor at 1/2.3" over the LG G3 1/3".
So, based on sensor size alone the Z2 wins this.
However, sensor size alone won't guarantee a better shot and this is where LG needs to up its stakes.
Will it do it..... Well I currently have a Z2 which is miles better than the Z1 I previously had.
Unfortunately, even with it's larger sensor it fails to capture a steady and clear blur free shot. A moving hand is just a blur.
Sorry I do not have any shots at hand to show this. For shots of say my grandchildren running around as if they are all driving formula one cars I always go straight to one of my fast digital cameras. Not even a dedicated small compact digital camera will take a blur free shot.
I'll be getting a UK LG G3 in the next couple of weeks and it will be a great phone.
I'll use it for many tasks including photos but I won't expect it to capture any blur free shots.
But to sum up your question...... Of the two my money would go to the G3. It may not be able to achieve what you are asking but what with OIS hardware and that Laser focus they will help photos to be much clearer where lighting is not ideal.
for me, with moving objects most of the times i don't go the picture route. i go to camera, scroll down that button on upper right to switch to video mode.
The only phone that can take less blurry pics is m7 and m8, that was the point. Shutter speed is a bit higher. I have tried all the ones in my signature at the same target, my kids ☺
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dondavis007 said:
The only phone that can take less blurry pics is m7 and m8, that was the point. Shutter speed is a bit higher. I have tried all the ones in my signature at the same target, my kids ☺
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I had 3 x M7s all had the purple tint issue due to poor heat shielding and the camera was rubbish. HTC thought it would be a good idea to use the same camera in the m8 !! It still blurred in indoor motion shots and really the camera is not good from experience. Thanks for the opinion though but lets stick to the mentioned handsets.
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ipmanwck said:
I had 3 x M7s all had the purple tint issue due to poor heat shielding and the camera was rubbish. HTC thought it would be a good idea to use the same camera in the m8 !! It still blurred in indoor motion shots and really the camera is not good from experience. Thanks for the opinion though but lets stick to the mentioned handsets.
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You're holding it wrong [emoji1]. The word a bit doesn't make it a dslr. Out of my sig those is the best for motion blur, nothing else.
You went back to the HOX?
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You're holding it wrong [emoji1]. The word a bit doesn't make it a dslr. Out of my sig those is the best for motion blur, nothing else.
You went back to the HOX?
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This is a temporary phone. Got it off eBay for 100. One x +. Had the s4 for a while after the m7 fiasco ! Not getting into the HTC camera issues here as this is not the forum for it but if your happy with your HTC phone camera then that's good but why are you here then ? If you have a z2 please post pics.
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I'm sorry but the Xperia Z2 appears to be far superior to the G3 in everything but focus time or when the LED is used.
Since 4.4.2 and the latest camera app, the Sony is finally taking the photos it was always meant to. Even auto mode is now good, which is saying something.
But there's obviously more to the G3 than just the camera.
I have never used a z2 but z1 compact was absolutely awful. Even with the lack of mega pixels i am very impressed with the g3 camera i am going to do a lumia 1020 vs g3 thread tomorrow. I think you will be suprised how good the g3 camera is.
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I have to say I have a z2 and it is by far the BEST camera I have ever used in a smart phone. -MOD EDIT- and no swearing please.It has been rated the best camera on the market over the I phone. And where the person said the pictures looked painted it's because the pictures are really that clear. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real. I had an s4 which was a 13 mp camera which was very good but this z2 in auto mode which is only 8mp and it takes beautiful pictures. And yes the comparison where it won was compared in 8mp mode so the playing field was even. You can shoot in 15.5 and 20.7 mp modes and it shoots amazing motion pictures. I take lots of pictures of my dogs playing and running and jumping and there is no noise and blows away the htc one m8 and the galaxy s5.I don't think the g3 could possibly take better pictures. I haven't used one because it's not available but trust me sony makes absolutely amazing phone cameras. They probably made the ones on the g3 and s5.but the z2s is a higher megapixel. And it's on a Sony product.
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does it still overheat? i had the z2 and that was the only thing that i didnt like about it
lg g3 is better
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https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-XZ-Premium-camera-for-smartphone-photography-enthusiasts
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https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-XZ-Premium-camera-for-smartphone-photography-enthusiasts
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This is crazy....xz do really better shoots than x performance.
djgigi94 said:
This is crazy....xz do really better shoots than x performance.
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i think the problem are the artifacts....too much visible is many conditions....hope sony will be solve, at least a little,with an update.... In the end the hardware (sensor i mean....300) it's the same of the previous generations...so...
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i think the problem are the artifacts....too much visible is many conditions....hope sony will be solve, at least a little,with an update.... In the end the hardware (sensor i mean....300) it's the same of the previous generations...so...
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I see REAL photos of xz..i don't see that artifacts like xz of dxomark
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I see REAL photos of xz..i don't see that artifacts like xz of dxomark
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There are artifacts
Anyway the only problem is on the software side... And Sony is not doing anything to solve it.
No hdr in auto mode? Poor post processing??
Why Sony why
Besides artifacts, great score.
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100rabh7791 said:
There are artifacts
Anyway the only problem is on the software side... And Sony is not doing anything to solve it.
No hdr in auto mode? Poor post processing??
Why Sony why
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Yes HDR fires up in Auto, but it's an AUTO mode so it fires up automatically lol
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Besides artifacts, great score.
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Yes HDR fires up in Auto, but it's an AUTO mode so it fires up automatically lol
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But even in mid-range devices we have an option to keep it always on or in auto mode...
100rabh7791 said:
There are artifacts
Anyway the only problem is on the software side... And Sony is not doing anything to solve it.
No hdr in auto mode? Poor post processing??
Why Sony why
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The hdr there is in optimal situations . But try xperia xz...and tell me where are those artifacts in photos...there are more on x performance (but it have a greater score there). Stabilizzation same of x-performance? What the... the 5 axis stabilizzation do a greater stabilizzation than x-performance eis. Rgb sensor is usless in xz? More real colours on xz than x-performance. Focus the same of x-performance??? The laser autofocus is usless? NO. It's working better than hybrid focus of x,x-performance and z5 series, who have serious problems with macro photos (you must use zoom to do macro shoots). But x performance have 88 and xz 87.... This is crazy. I try both ...and xz have a very superior camera (expecially in auto) . The 3 sensors works great and xz do a really better night shoots than x-performance. On -performance you must be stable to do shoots or the photo became moved and noisy. On xz point and shoot! So...this camera review is absurd....
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The hdr there is in optimal situations . But try xperia xz...and tell me where are those artifacts in photos...there are more on x performance (but it have a greater score there). Stabilizzation same of x-performance? What the... the 5 axis stabilizzation do a greater stabilizzation than x-performance eis. Rgb sensor is usless in xz? More real colours on xz than x-performance. Focus the same of x-performance??? The laser autofocus is usless? NO. It's working better than hybrid focus of x,x-performance and z5 series, who have serious problems with macro photos (you must use zoom to do macro shoots). But x performance have 88 and xz 87.... This is crazy. I try both ...and xz have a very superior camera (expecially in auto) . The 3 sensors works great and xz do a really better night shoots than x-performance. On -performance you must be stable to do shoots or the photo became moved and noisy. On xz point and shoot! So...this camera review is absurd....
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I agree it's a better camera thn x performance.... i think Google paid them to put pixel on top ..xz deserves more thn x performance
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I agree it's a better camera thn x performance.... i think Google paid them to put pixel on top ..xz deserves more thn x performance
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Probably there are some dirty things behind. But xz for me have the best camera of 2016 overall.
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Probably there are some dirty things behind. But xz for me have the best camera of 2016 overall.
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I saw the comparison...Xz lacks in Dynamic range... I just hope Sony update their post processing...
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Well before it was 90, idk why they changed the score, weird, well xz has the best natural camera software for me , better than Samsung (way to much oversaturated on ambled screen but in real viewing on pc or TV it's not good at all,)
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Well before it was 90, idk why they changed the score, weird, well xz has the best natural camera software for me , better than Samsung (way to much oversaturated on ambled screen but in real viewing on pc or TV it's not good at all,)
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When was it 90%?
What a ****ty camera we have received from Sony. Thank you for the garbage you call superior 23mp camera
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I'm curious if the quality improves with respect to post processing artifacts when you use another camera app like opencamera or camera-fv5 or footej-camera ?
And if camera2api is actually available wouldn't the other apps take advantage of that?
I had a z3 before, and i always got better shots on camera-fv5. My xz is arriving this week, looking FWD to see how it compares with my OnePlus3 and Samsung s7edge
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Probably there are some dirty things behind. But xz for me have the best camera of 2016 overall.
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When the results are in line with your rhetoric you praise DXOmark. When they are different you are sure they are rigged. Great logic !
Rear camera sucks indeed mostly because of weak dynamic range but front shooter works better. So I guess if you want to have good pics use front camera lol
pk-air said:
Rear camera sucks indeed mostly because of weak dynamic range but front shooter works better. So I guess if you want to have good pics use front camera lol
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Silliest post of 2016?
The rear camera is fantastic, just use some knowledge.
doministry said:
Silliest post of 2016?
The rear camera is fantastic, just use some knowledge.
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Anything posted in 2016 is silly now. That is why I am just trolling here before this year is gone. Also use some knowledge and read what I said that camera sucks in dynamic range and not the quality of pictures
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Anything posted in 2016 is silly now. That is why I am just trolling here before this year is gone. Also use some knowledge and read what I said that camera sucks in dynamic range and not the quality of pictures
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Allright. I just think it essentially doesn't suck in dynamic range anyway...