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I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
That's definitely a concern of mine. Sony is worse than the major Android manufacturers (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, even LG is rolling out its Kitkat update) in terms of updates. One consolation is that Android updates aren't as big or crucial as they used to be since it is a pretty mature OS at this point, but I can't deny that I find Sony's update speed disappointing. I don't think it will stop me from getting the Z2, tho.
You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Chad_Petree said:
I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
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It s so good If companies support their flagships for OS upgrade But there s no different between Sony or Samsung or ...
currently i m using Note3 on JB 4.3 however 4.4.2 for all variants released from Samsung But it s too slow.
If you want number of OS version you should buy nexus devices. that Google support them ~2 years (like Galaxy Nexus) with fast upgrade and release.
But If u r thinking about more functionality on ur smartphone u have to buy samsung, sony or ...
/*Companies don't think about u who bought a flagship 4-5 months ago.
*they think about who want to upgrade from old phone. so they release high-end phone every 6months to get markets. */
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You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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What are you really doing here - takes as is or leave it
I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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vittogn said:
I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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We're on similar situation , I can't stand the awful battery life of the nexus 5 , I don't miss the SD card at all since I have the 32 gb version and that's enough for me, what bothers me too is that the 16:9 photos are 6 MP, I would like 12-13 MP photos, I don't need 20 MP photos but I'm not complaining either Haha
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Some more thoughts on slower updates that might make your mind rest a little easier:
As someone else pointed out, if you take Samsung as an example, faster updates aren't always a good thing. Samsung devices are usually pretty well optimized for the version of Android they ship with, but when they update to a new major version of Android the performance can get substantially worse. I've noticed this with several Samsung devices. So giving a manufacturer the time to make sure everything works well on their hardware is a good thing. Keep in mind brand-new Android releases are often tailored to a subset of Android hardware in the latest Nexus devices, and hardware differences in other devices might take a while to perfect.
Also, new major versions of Android often have bad bugs. Look at Motorola who invested a lot of effort into getting 4.4 on the Moto X very soon after it was released. Unfortunately 4.4 had several major bugs including broken Exchange support! Moto X owners who upgraded were stuck with broken devices until Moto released 4.4.2 months later. So it is also good to wait for at least a couple of point releases before a manufacturer commits to a new version of Android.
Nexus devices don't have these issues because they can just keep releasing new updates quickly, but if a manufacturer's customized Android actually offers valuable improvements (which I think Sony's does) it makes sense to take a little longer.
I still wish Sony were faster, tho
I'm a bit worried. I honestly Sony would concentrate on one flagship per year, like everyone else. I'm on an XZ and am sick of trying to keep up. I'm considering my next phone now, but I can't say if the z2 is a slam dunk now. I do like the sound of the speakers though...
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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Personally not worried about getting updates late but a bit worried about not getting updates at all after a while & becoming abandoned
I mean Samsung is releasing Kitkat for GS3 which is a device from may 2012, Not sure if it's the same with Sony specially with their two flagship a year strategy
I'm not. If there is not a disturbing bug in Z2, I still use it. If the new feature that roll out from Sony and Google with an update is not necessary and attracting to me,I don't change my phone to other brand.
Who cares what OS version you got? Unless there is a bug or something, I don't care if I ever get any updates. I would even prefer the older version now since they messed up the notification screen.
To be honest, Jellybean is stable enough so that we don't necesarily "need" further updates. I'm "suck" on 4.1.2 on my optimus g and don't really mind at all(And yes, LG is worse at abandoning their flagships). Got kit kat on my nexus 7 and don't really see much difference. I miss the great sony UI though. Still torn between this phone and the z1.
I buy phone - start to see if everything works - root - flash custom rom. Never worries about updates.
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And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ? I understand the importance of an update, but on the other and I think people exaggerate the need for them a lot...
So to answer the question - no, i'm not afraid. Frankly speaking, I don't really care, as long as it won't take a year or so.
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And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ?
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A pretty major update in 4.4 for devices with on-screen buttons, like the Xperia series, is "immersive mode" (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...go-truly-full-screen-hide-the-navigation-bar/). There are other nice updates, and maybe that one doesn't interest you, but to me it's a big deal. You never know when Google is going to throw a great new feature like that in.
augie7107 said:
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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What? Worse than Samsung?
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No, I think T-mobile just doesn't want to release garbage.
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Yea agreed, and 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 are garbage, was really hoping it was 5.1 that was taking so much time.
And aosp is on 5.1.1. The Canadian version is super smooth with zero bugs. I'd suggest using the unmodded version. The modes versions all have bugs and battery is stellar on the unmodded version
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I mean it saddens me when other carriers have been updated already with the new update we're here we on tmobile unfortunately are stuck in the past and while there are many other great ROMs out there ported from different devices it makes me a little sad in the inside of my heart inthelittle flasher is really sad and disappointed by the lack of love the tmobile actually shows us I mean I get it we get unlocked bootloaders which most definitely is a plus but if we don't get updates before the likes of Sprint or AT&T it makes me sad and I want to cry show this post some love if you feel the same LS petition T Mobile
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This same crap happened on the M8... people crying about not being first with the update while other carriers pushed the update before them that left a huge security flaw unfixed. T-Mobile finally released their update (4.4.3) and it included the fixes from 4.4.4 which no other carrier had done. That's a win for T-Mobile IMO... The other carriers had to play catch up. It's easy to forget that things like this take time and each carrier's quality control is much different. I personally don't get people like you who complain about things such as this when those that have received the update from their carriers are left with buggy phones... Do you want a buggy phone? Or do you want it to be flawless? http://www.techtimes.com/articles/4...es-continue-as-some-carrier-testing-fails.htm
Every carrier has reported bugs , hell i even bought my daughter an S5 a month ago and it came with lollipop and was a disaster kept freezing and restarting so much i returned it and got her one with 4.4.4 installed on it so it would act right. Id rather them take their time and give us a less buggy version . But honestly i really dont care im looking forward to the Note 5 this year
The update is incoming
Update is incoming possibly this week, it's been approved: http://www.tmonews.com/2015/04/lollipop-update-rollout-for-t-mobile-galaxy-note-4-starting-next-week/
Hey guys, so ever since I got my one plus one last year I've neglected the n4
Here's my current ROM.. Still on 4.4 lol
What would be your suggestion of updating? What ROM is good now a days?
Thanks
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I enjoy CyanogenMod 12.1. I've been on nightly releases since I got my N4 less than a year ago. It's nothing fancy looking, but it features lots of simple mods and features privacy guard, a way to limit the permissions of apps.
Hey all,
Since the ota download for 6.0 has been pulled I was wondering if anyone had a chance to grab it before it went down?
Thanks
I did
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I did
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Is there an chance you can post it for us that missed out?
Wait
I have it as well - but wouldn't want to post it. It's a beta release, and as such, you won't get future OTA updates (at least until the official release comes out), and will have to update manually, and will have to wipe/reset to avoid issues going from beta to official. I really regret not waiting for the official, but hopefully fixing it won't be more of a hassle than upgrading was. I don't like that I'll have to set up everything again, but it is what it is, and as long as I get back on official so I can get future updates all will be well. It'll be better to wait, especially since the beta has bricked many people's phones (I got lucky, mine works flawlessly), and you won't have to go through extra bullcrap to get back on the official releases.
If you want so badly
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xXIJDIXx said:
I have it as well - but wouldn't want to post it. It's a beta release, and as such, you won't get future OTA updates (at least until the official release comes out), and will have to update manually, and will have to wipe/reset to avoid issues going from beta to official. I really regret not waiting for the official, but hopefully fixing it won't be more of a hassle than upgrading was. I don't like that I'll have to set up everything again, but it is what it is, and as long as I get back on official so I can get future updates all will be well. It'll be better to wait, especially since the beta has bricked many people's phones (I got lucky, mine works flawlessly), and you won't have to go through extra bullcrap to get back on the official releases.
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It's a pain that we'll have to stick to beta for now, judging from the other variants that asus release marshmallow before it will take a month or less(eg: Zenfone Max, mm beta release on 1st week of may, mm official release on 1st week of june), sad for us non-modder users.
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Well, at least I don't have to dread setting up my phone again too soon. I just really hope going from beta to official will be just as simple as upgrading from L to M was.
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Is there an chance you can post it for us that missed out?
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I have the FW on my phone but really hesitant to upgrade after seeing the comments.. Better to wait a few more days rather than brick the phone...
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humayunarshad said:
I have the FW on my phone but really hesitant to upgrade after seeing the comments.. Better to wait a few more days rather than brick the phone...
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Definitely wait for official, the beta release really worked well for me but I'm lucky, and now I'm dreading having to figure out how to get back on an official release so I'll get updates in the future - and I'll have to set up my phone from scratch again.
I did upgrade to 6.0, so far i've experienced a bit of lag and battery drain( lot worse than .184)
Same here, upgrade went fine but now some significant battery drain taking place; I can guess why, the phone is now constantly warm and the system monitor utility shows that the processor spends some serous time at higher clock frequencies.
Also experiencing some microSD card disconnects, from time to time, for no apparent reason.
All in all, it wasn't a bad update though [emoji57]
Initially I also had really heavy battery drain after updating, but doing a factory reset and reinstalling my apps afresh seemed to fix. Now getting basically the same battery life as before the update, which is to say neither great nor terrible. Am very pleased with the improved RAM management after updating though - it is releasing RAM much better than before and running very smoothly.
The last Samsung phone I owned was a Galaxy S3, a few years later I bought the Galaxy S8+. My previous phone (the Z5 already has android 7.1 for months now). Even then people on XDA were complaining about how slow Sony updates their phones. But now I'm here, with the S8+ and I'm wondering, why does the S8+ not have android 7.1 yet? Is there any schedule available of Samsung updating this phone. There's also so little development. Back in the days the Galaxy phones had so much development going on, which I missed.
I'm happy with this phone and android 7.0, but android 8 is almost coming and were still running on 7.0.
the step from 7.0 to 7.1 is not that big...
At all but the note 8 will be first
I've been in the Motorola community for the last 3 years, but I think the lack of development has to do with Knox.
Also, is bought this phone knowing that updates were going to be slow, and I am fine with that. After years of custom roms, I am getting tired of doing workarounds just to get things to work. I am happy to have things just work.
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I've been in the Motorola community for the last 3 years, but I think the lack of development has to do with Knox.
Also, is bought this phone knowing that updates were going to be slow, and I am fine with that. After years of custom roms, I am getting tired of doing workarounds just to get things to work. I am happy to have things just work.
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I agree with this, the only reason I rooted my phone was to use AdAway and mainly to use Viper4Android. Which I'm regretting a little, since I can't use Secure Folder, but I'm hoping someone manages to make it work... With Knox tripped. Now a stock ROMs are so good that rooting isn't needed as often to require something.
Although people say the step from 7.0 to 7.1 aint big, progress is progess and in my eyes Samsung is taking a long time to update this phone.
Yeah but its a bummer seeing £500 phones come out with it (Blackbury, One+) come to mind and my £850 flagship is still running 7.0
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More likely Samsung is going to skip 7.1 and we will get upgrade to 8.0
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Why does anyone care. It's just a number. We've got the latest security patch and apart from that 7.1.x brought basically nothing new.
Better Samsung invests their time into a timely 8.0 release.
I care. Android 7.0 has a bug in its (default) TLS implementation which makes it not work with implementations / servers which offer higher ec curves than 256 (such as secp384r1 or secp521r1). If any of those curves are offered as preferred, the whole TLS connection fails (instead of just using a lower curve, if offered; or a non-EC cipher suite). This bug has real world implications. E.g. davdroid (caldav / cardav sync adapter) fails with any TLS server using such a setup. To make matters worse in nginx this can only be configured globally, i.e. for all domains served. While the config option is available in server{} statements, it doesn't have any effect. The nginx developers claim this is due to a bug in OpenSSL.
Anyways, the true issue is Android 7.0 failing. This has been fixed by Google in 7.1. Of course Samsung could backport this fix, and remain at 7.0. But they didn't even do that. Given that this bug is known for a long time and has been fixed (in 7.1) for a long time this is really bad support for a such a premium phone.
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More likely Samsung is going to skip 7.1 and we will get upgrade to 8.0
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domsch1988 said:
Why does anyone care. It's just a number. We've got the latest security patch and apart from that 7.1.x brought basically nothing new.
Better Samsung invests their time into a timely 8.0 release.
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yes I also think that samsung will skip 7.1 to directly go to 8.0, and as 7.1 is not that big and Samsung is not very quick even for big os upgrades
robhug said:
yes I also think that samsung will skip 7.1 to directly go to 8.0, and as 7.1 is not that big and Samsung is not very quick even for big os upgrades
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Yeah so we probably will get 8.0 in 2018
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I also own LG G5 (T-Mobile) and it has 7.0 still. I wish Samsung was faster on updates. I am waiting on Nokia 8
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I also own LG G5 (T-Mobile) and it has 7.0 still. I wish Samsung was faster on updates. I am waiting on Nokia 8
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I'm really surprised to say that, but the Nokia 8 looks like a really great phone. They seem to have nailed it pretty much.