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Project of testing Exmor R Camera on Sony Ericsson Xperia Series

Dear all members,
I have managed to do a little project of testing the Exmor R Camera on Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc with comparison with Xperia Play and iphone 4.
Below is a box meant to test out Exmor R Camera which there is a photo of Android Figurine inside the box with total darkness and there is a hole on the top which allow the camera to be placed on top of the hole to test whether the camera can be capable to capture the image inside the box.
Photo of the Box for testing the Exmor R Camera :
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Xperia Arc and iphone 4 for testing :
Xperia Play for testing :
1) Putting test on iphone 4 to take photo under low light condition
2) Putting test on Xperia Arc to take photo under low light condition
3) Putting test on Xperia Play to take photo under low light condition
End Results - Image taken by iphone 4, Xperia Arc and Xperia Play under low light condition
1) iphone 4
2) Xperia Arc
3) Xperia Play

xperia arc pwned iphone 4 and play!

Any chance you could repeat this test with video modes?
Im curious

Great work, I am really impressed to see how well the exmor manages to record the colors in near dark

wow ... thx dude ... nice worK
yeeeh ... this is it ... XPERIA ARC

Really nice, Now to put this to good use

Nice!! I want to take some pics in the dark with my Xperia
I have seen a similar video somewhere.. In a SE expo stand..
Yeah here it is ..
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/02/16/exmor-r™-for-mobile/

As long as I know, it can't take photo in complete dark place. It need just a little light. Or.... may be a little light to bright up the exmor r cencor.
GN Multimedia - Xperia Arc

wooow
Awesome ,, very nice results

Any chance to compare with Galaxy SII's camera ?

I did a quick night time test with the Sony Arc and iPhone 4.
What do you think? Which one is better?
http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/iphone-4-versus-sony-xperia-arc/
I think the Arc's is better initially as you can see more, but the iPhone 4 photo over exposed slightly wins for me.
The colours on the iPhone for everything, road, fence, sky, etc are all spot on and look like they did at the time. The Sony Arc looks far too processed with the colours being incorrect.
If only Sony would reduce the compression more, and make the phone take more natural photos. Winner!

I heard a rumor that Apple is trying get license Exmor R for next I-Phone

ShyamSasi said:
I heard a rumor that Apple is trying get license Exmor R for next I-Phone
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LOL they will just sue SE and state they invented the camera, lens and all associated technology.

Lord Takyon said:
LOL they will just sue SE and state they invented the camera, lens and all associated technology.
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Evil apple

ShyamSasi said:
I heard a rumor that Apple is trying get license Exmor R for next I-Phone
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I dun think Sony will approve this License if Apple really apply.
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honglong said:
I did a quick night time test with the Sony Arc and iPhone 4.
What do you think? Which one is better?
http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/iphone-4-versus-sony-xperia-arc/
I think the Arc's is better initially as you can see more, but the iPhone 4 photo over exposed slightly wins for me.
The colours on the iPhone for everything, road, fence, sky, etc are all spot on and look like they did at the time. The Sony Arc looks far too processed with the colours being incorrect.
If only Sony would reduce the compression more, and make the phone take more natural photos. Winner!
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Thanks for the comparison, it is interesting to see how it compares with other phone lenses as well as seeing how it manages to capture pictures under dificult scenarios.
I do not agree as to which is better, to me there is more details and much less noise in the Xperia ARC picture, just look at the number and text on the garbage can and the white text on the light pole to the left. It is all blurry and noisy on the iPhone and much cleaner on the Xperia.
If I sit back and look at all three I would also prefer the more clean look of the xperia arc than the noisy and messy iPhone pictures.
Can you access the picture info and see what shutter speeds and ISOs each image is captured with? You could try to change the scene mode on the ARC as this also changes how the ARC prioritizes between ISO and shutterspeeds as well as limiting the max ISO allowed.

xperia is great in all ways

I'm not sure if you shot your comparisons all in auto or not. But if you did then the results are inconclusive. You need to take more control of the settings to maximize results from each camera. Also, if you shoot at ISO 100 with the arc, you must shoot at ISO 100 with the iPhone for accurate results. If the arc happens to fire a shot at ISO 100 and the iPhone fires its shot at say ISO 250....the iPhone will obviously show more noise. Higher ISO =faster shutter speed and more sensitivity to light but higher ISO also =more noise. Do you mind sharing the EXIF data from the images?

lol Exmor R technologie is from sony so sony holds all rights to that

Arc
the most sensitive camera sensor in mobiles! its far from perfect but there is nothing bettrer than Exmor R in low light conditions

Not impressed with the camera

I'm not impressed with the camera quality on this phone. It just seems too dark and when I slightly move the phone about it gets blurry.
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it's better than many 5mp cameras

seeraj15 said:
I'm not impressed with the camera quality on this phone. It just seems too dark and when I slightly move the phone about it gets blurry.
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Change the setting to sport mode to stop blur.

Can't help myself. ... canon make cameras.
Sorry, in a weird mood today and couldn't help myself. But I never expect a phone camera to take good pics.

Sometimes you get really good pictures out of the sgs1
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Way better than the phone on my Nikon D80.

This is a phone not a camera want good photos buy a camera

got-petrol said:
This is a phone not a camera want good photos buy a camera
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What happens if you buy a camera-phone then? Do you have neither a phone nor a camera?

well known facts:
- this is a phone not a camera
- 5mpix used in SGS1 is enought to make quality pictures and record 720p video IN GOOD LIGHT CONDITIONS
- when not enought light pictures/videos become grainy - and that is the problem also in SGS2 (at least it was)

But the SGS2 has an LED flash. Compared to my SGS1 my wife's SGS2 produces *way* better pictures. Agree to all the other well-known-facts.

sgs2 is 8mpix while sgs1 is 5mpix - the picture MUST have better quality =)
same as recorded video is 1080p not 720p in sgs1 ...
as for the led flashlight i had phones with it and only use for it i found was a flashlight ... never was good enought for lighting_up pictures in closed spaces not to mention a picture in the dark, open space ...
at that matter but only that (night pictures) i liked carl zeiss optics in nokia n95, saw a hardware-mod somewhere in forums that takes n95 lens and put it in sgs1 place, will have to check that when original lens will get scratched more

Try HDR on the market.
to the person talking about movement blur, don't move.
Sorry, didn't see this was sgs i forum.

haha yes pictures taken by HDR app are superb ... still that needs 3 ones to assemble that quality =) so not much usefull for taking pictures of moving objects i guess as the process takes lik 3 seconds ?

$omator said:
sgs2 is 8mpix while sgs1 is 5mpix - the picture MUST have better quality =)
same as recorded video is 1080p not 720p in sgs1 ...
as for the led flashlight i had phones with it and only use for it i found was a flashlight ... never was good enought for lighting_up pictures in closed spaces not to mention a picture in the dark, open space ...
at that matter but only that (night pictures) i liked carl zeiss optics in nokia n95, saw a hardware-mod somewhere in forums that takes n95 lens and put it in sgs1 place, will have to check that when original lens will get scratched more
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When I compare two things (pictures, benchmarks,whatever) I like to use same settings (that includes image resolution) as far as possible - and more pix do not mean better quality. If I take a picture of my son in a closed room in the evening the sgs2 DOES take the better picture due to its flashlight (which is not meant to light up dark, open space ). The flashlight also helps to shorten the exposure time which reduces blurryness in those conditions (I *think* - did not check exposure times sgs/sgs2 but the sgs2 definately produces less often blurry images).
Nokia95 lens -> SGS1: Woha, i definately need more time Thanks for mentioning this.

8Mpix compared to 5Mpix means comparing picture 'builded' from 8 milion pixels to one made from 5 milion pixels, so that means better quality however you look into it
as for the led i miss it but not that much ":]
anyways here is the guid of lens changing
[I9000][I9000B][MOD] Camera Glass (replace scratched one)
and here is grainy picture when night_recording on sgs2 also looking like that on sgs1

Xperia z1 camera-sony what is this?

Xperia Z1 CAMERA!!!!
Better image quality with 3MP than 8MP
Today I was playing with the camera on the Z1, but most of the attention I spoke to the resolution
3MP VS 8MP
On pictures with 3MP noticed the following:
less noise!
less artifacts!
much sharper images, especially in weak lighting conditions!
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pixel bining from 20MP, read it up.

Probably because 3mp captures less detail, so you see less artifacting/noise

Sure. On your screen.
Print it as wallpaper and miss the pixeles...
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The calculation is simply. The size of the sensor can acquire a certain quantity of light then if you use 8mpx or even 20mpx, for the sensor is too much so he have to recover the definition with huge processing and in this case you will see on the pictures all this kind of artifacts and noise, but when you use 3mpx the sensor is even much more and then you see amazing quality colors and nice pictures but just when you zoom a bit into the picture you will see the distortion because of less pixel density. That 20mpx or 8mpx is just to much for the sensor of Z1.

eclyptos said:
The calculation is simply. The size of the sensor can acquire a certain quantity of light then if you use 8mpx or even 20mpx, for the sensor is too much so he have to recover the definition with huge processing and in this case you will see on the pictures all this kind of artifacts and noise, but when you use 3mpx the sensor is even much more and then you see amazing quality colors and nice pictures but just when you zoom a bit into the picture you will see the distortion because of less pixel density. That 20mpx or 8mpx is just to much for the sensor of Z1.
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Yes the quality of picture will be lost with 3mp when ZOOM IN but who does zooming these days, most pictures end up on the Internet in regular size not cropped. The z1 has awesome zoom but the zoom still ruins the picture.
@Djuro89 great test mate :thumbup:
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Shan89 said:
Yes the quality of picture will be lost with 3mp when ZOOM IN but who does zooming these days,
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I am a Detective, I have too. lol..haha...

I can even tell 8MP photos are way better than 3MPs. White balance, exposure, focus is better. I use 20MP with manual shots sometimes and it gives great results with right settings.

Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone

eclyptos said:
I am a Detective, I have too. lol..haha...
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Lol , well i doubt you'll be using Z1 for detective photos , it just takes forever to set up everything manually for a decent photo
jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Post of the day ! :thumbsup:

Many complaints of camera but at the end of the day most of them add instagram filters etc!

jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Did you really buy an xperia z1 or are you trolling? I have one and daily I look at it atleast once in admiration. Absolutely the best phone out there.
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Beautyspin said:
Did you really buy an xperia z1 or are you trolling? I have one and daily I look at it once in admiration. Absolutely the best phone or there.
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Well said

Yeaaa, 3mp beat 20mp, buy the K800 and use 3.2mp. hahah
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Welcome to the low-mid end camera / phone marketing BS .
Small sensor + high pixel count = crap
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koziakauzu said:
Welcome to the low-mid end camera / phone marketing BS .
Small sensor + high pixel count = crap
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High pixel count, no small sensor, crap SOFTWARE!
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MixaDJ said:
High pixel count, no small sensor, crap SOFTWARE!
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Agreed!
It's a shame really gs5, one 2, z2 are coming out in just 1/2 months and when that happen z1 will be completely forgotten which IMO is sad since we never got to see the true power of its camera thanks to sony for ****ty software.
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Gitaroo said:
pixel bining from 20MP, read it up.
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+1. More pixel binning. So better pics

jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Maybe as a quick point and shoot, yeah, the LG G2 might be a little better, but in all around performance, I much prefer my Z1 over my dad's G2.

What small sensor people are referring !! Its 1/2.3" !! Same as all entry to mid level digital cameras
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Is Sony cheating us about the 23mp?

Read the Edit from 10.04.16 below, before posting "funny" comments...
Hey guys, could it be possible that the mighty 23mp of our z5 is in reality only 8mp upsampled to 23mp? No third-party app shows the full resolution like on older sensors of Xperia z1-z4.. And Sony won't give the "super" image processing algorithm to the Sony "open" device project!? Maybe the Devs from Sony just don't know how to hide the 8mp to 23mp techniques.. So they don't give it free to other Developers to make the poor z5 camera better? The details when zooming by 23mp shots are so washed out and muddy, I can't believe it's actually 23mp.. I guess because of that, Sony is hiding something.. Don't they? Why else they are acting so strange?
10.04.16 Edit:
okay, maybe it has a 25mp sensor, but Xeon explained it very good here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=66263647

If they weren't 23MP sensors, someone would've found that out a while ago and taken SONY to court for false advertising. I doubt SONY would be that dumb. And the details might look fine on a normal day, as long as you don't zoom in too far. The maximum resolution is 5520 x 4140 which is really, really big. Even the Galaxy S6 with a 16MP camera only goes up to 3984 x 2988 on a 4:3 ratio.
Edit: Here's a photo with of my dog. Then a photo of it zoomed in on his noise. Look's pretty detailed to me.
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actually there is a third-party app called "CyanogenOS Camera Next" which recognize the 22.9MP sensor!
I haven't tried capturing with 22.9MP option, but it's available in Camera Next!

Ah okay, Interesting statements. Maybe it's just the poor software from Sony ?Thanks guys

It's definitely poor software from Sony, the camera is good but has soo much more potential
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Ah okay, Interesting statements. Maybe it's just the poor software from Sony ?Thanks guys
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I've read that most third-party apps identify Z5 camera as only 8Mp due to a buggy system file which has a wrong identifier value of this CMOS. It seems Camera Next is a bit smarter, as mentioned below.
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ciprianmp said:
I've read that most third-party apps identify Z5 camera as only 8Mp due to a buggy system file which has a wrong identifier value of this CMOS. It seems Camera Next is a bit smarter, as mentioned below.
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Jep, hope Sony is doing something about it soon.. But I think they don't care very much.. Because the new Xperia x is more important than device's ho hade already sold..? sad kapitalism

ciprianmp said:
I've read that most third-party apps identify Z5 camera as only 8Mp due to a buggy system file which has a wrong identifier value of this CMOS. It seems Camera Next is a bit smarter, as mentioned below.
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I think that is because Sony need to make those other apps think it is higher res as well .
I still believe Sony are software interpolating the photo's to 23MP, because the results just lack too much detail.
To be honest, I as well as many others I am sure would just prefer 12MP done right

danw_oz said:
I think that is because Sony need to make those other apps think it is higher res as well .
I still believe Sony are software interpolating the photo's to 23MP, because the results just lack too much detail.
To be honest, I as well as many others I am sure would just prefer 12MP done right
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Likewise
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danw_oz said:
I think that is because Sony need to make those other apps think it is higher res as well .
I still believe Sony are software interpolating the photo's to 23MP, because the results just lack too much detail.
To be honest, I as well as many others I am sure would just prefer 12MP done right
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+1
That's why we are not getting raw support because it will show that the real sensor is 8mp lol

Daniel_GB said:
actually there is a third-party app called "CyanogenOS Camera Next" which recognize the 22.9MP sensor!
I haven't tried capturing with 22.9MP option, but it's available in Camera Next!
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i just tested that app it works pretty well although the burst mode is ultra slow but the quality seems clear like the ones shown in the ads

I'm also pretty sure that the 23 mp thing is just a kind of trick.... SONY won't let you know anything about the camera. If you open AIDA64 under devices it can't even detect the deviceID or sensor type.
I can't understand how 8MP resolution pics look better than 23MP

Actually it is a 25MP sensor or to be more precise 24.77MP.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sonys_new_z...se_a_custom_25mp_camera_sensor-blog-13806.php

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Actually it is a 25MP sensor or to be more precise 24.77MP.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sonys_new_z...se_a_custom_25mp_camera_sensor-blog-13806.php
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Sony pay for gsmarena to tell this fake info and if they pay for me i swear that the sensor will be 40mp lol

Just look at this app ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3322562
It is upsampling more resolution of actually all cameras ?

Thechiller86 said:
Just look at this app http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3322562
It is upsampling more resolution of actually all cameras
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Kinda nice idea but only usable in completly static scenes and with a tripod. But seems interesting. Will check it out!

gm007 said:
Sony pay for gsmarena to tell this fake info and if they pay for me i swear that the sensor will be 40mp lol
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heading to that direction only means everything in this world is fake lol

Daniel_GB said:
heading to that direction only means everything in this world is fake lol
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Maybe... As long it brings money, everything they do seems okay?

What sort of confirms that the sensor is not the full MP rating as suggested is that all manufacturers that are using the same sensor don't have the same resolution

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What sort of confirms that the sensor is not the full MP rating as suggested is that all manufacturers that are using the same sensor don't have the same resolution
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Well if they want to limit and resort to fixed pixel binning. They have native 25MP for the IMX300 sensor.

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia XZ2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

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One outdoor, one indoor.

Did anybody try gcam?
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EMJI79 said:
Did anybody try gcam?
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Gcam is not working on xperia devices as it is not camera2api compatible. Here is a good comparison video with OnePlus 6 and you can find many more comparisons of xz2 on this channel. Enjoy!

I got GCam working for my XZ2, without root. But I forgot where to download it. The link is somewhere in XZ2 compact's thread.

Back-lit mode, hdr auto and hdr+ (gcam)
Hello, since XZ2 doesn't have an auto HDR feature as some other manufacturers (name samsung, HTC, LG,...) I am wondering how superior auto is doing in back-lit scenes? Does the back-lit scene in intelligent auto makes it for the exclusion of a force (auto) HDR option? I have a Z5 compact now and its dynamic range is pretty poor. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

My XZ2 always recognises backlit scenes as Landscape or Backlight but the result is great, I have a sample but I really can't upload it because of how big the size of the pictures.

AlvinZahran98 said:
I got GCam working for my XZ2, without root. But I forgot where to download it. The link is somewhere in XZ2 compact's thread.
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here is the link of the thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz2-compact/themes/best-gcam-google-camera-app-xz2c-t3778887
thank you for the mention too

Gu.lu said:
Hello, since XZ2 doesn't have an auto HDR feature as some other manufacturers (name samsung, HTC, LG,...) I am wondering how superior auto is doing in back-lit scenes? Does the back-lit scene in intelligent auto makes it for the exclusion of a force (auto) HDR option? I have a Z5 compact now and its dynamic range is pretty poor. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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If i'm not mistaken, when a backlit / landscape icon appear in Superior Auto, auto HDR will be triggered. At least thats what happens in previous Xperia phone. So it does have the auto HDR features.
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grizzlyspid86 said:
If i'm not mistaken, when a backlit / landscape icon appear in Superior Auto, auto HDR will be triggered. At least thats what happens in previous Xperia phone. So it does have the auto HDR features.
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Which previous Xperia do you mean?
Because on my Z5 compact I don't think that's the case.. The Z5 series camera didn't have a good reputation anyway, but I especially noticed a huge gap to the best ones in unevenly lit scenes.. With the backlit situations, it depends where your focus is - if you want defined clouds and sunset on your photo, then the foreground is gonna be too dark, or properly exposed foreground is gonna lead to overblown highlights (white sky without clouds). As far as I saw, XZ2 also suffers in highly uneven outdoor scenarios, and has IMO worse dynamic range than on Google or HTC.
LG and apple for example show when the HDR is triggered automatically when shooting in auto mode, in real time before taking a photo, and I think Sony should do it too if they offer auto HDR.
IMX 400 is hardwerwise definitely able to do so... If it can shoot moving objects before you press shutter button (predictive capture) then they could also do multiple-frame exposures in real time before taking a photo IMO.. Which maybe they do, I REALLY hope so.
However, sometimes I prefer less dynamic range and higher contrasts.. Pixel 2's or U12+'s photos sometimes have too little contrast for me due to bringing down highlights and/or boosting shadows too much.. At the end it's a trade off nevertheless I think every phone should have had an auto HDR these days.

I realized that the zoom is not just a crop of the original photo, it has a process to soften the image.
I leave an example.
Original, crop and 8x zoom.