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An f2.0 lens and 13 megapixel camera with optical image stabilization capture great photos in daylight and low light. Using advanced computational photography technology and HDR+, the pre-installed Google Camera does the heavy lifting so you can effortlessly take great photos.
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Luckily it doesn't seem to be the same camera found on the Moto X (2014). Different sensor perhaps?
Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Which one is better?
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Which one is better?
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
It's super interesting to me that the front-facing camera has 1.4um pixel size vs the 1.12um.. even smaller than the Nexus 5's. I guess they prioritized good low-lighting shots for selfies not photos.
The hardware seems to be there. Google just needs to develop the software to take advantage of the hardware. Heck, even the Nexus 5 has decent camera hardware.. The software is where it was lacking.
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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It should be, if it is using the same sensor as s5. On top of that, it is using OIS. The Note 4 should be the new benchmark in terms of camera quality for Android
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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I'm not into phablets, so I don't know much about the Note 4. It looks like it has a Sony IMX240 sesnor, with a 1/2.6 sensor, so slightly smaller than the 1/2.5 sensor in the S5. It does have OIS though, which should help with longer exposures in low light. The S5 has an "Isocell" sensor, which is supposed to have barriers between pixels that helps improve color accuracy and sharpness (see: http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0315472077/samsung-explains-the-galaxy-s5-isocell-sensor). I know the S5 has atypically good color accuracy for a phone, though part of that is a choice on Samsungs part not to favor in the post-processing the oversaturated colors that many people like (i.e. that many people mistake for better photos--people often find more accurate colors to look washed out). Anyway, since Samsung usually does a good job in their flagships, I would not be surprised if the Note 4 is comparable or slightly better than the S5. But it's going to be minor differences, I think.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Yes, the new Nexus phone and the 2nd Gen. Moto X are the two phones I'm looking at to replace my Nexus 4, so I've been hanging around both forums. For the moment I'm just trying to get over my raging disappointment that the Nexus 6 really is a huge 6" phablet. Sigh. It does have some nice upgrades over the 2nd Gen. Moto X, I think. (Though if it lacks the four microphone noise cancellation in the Moto X, that's a deal killer for me--I haven't been able to confirm anything about this yet.)
I wouldn't worry about the different sensors in the phones much. They're both fine and more or less in the same ballpark of quality, as 1/3 sensors. OIS on the Nexus 6 is nice and should help with low light photography (and video), that's the biggest difference, depending how important that is to you. In good light, I doubt you'd see much difference between the cameras. For just general snapshots of friends and things like that, I think all these phones are fine.
As I said above, I think people make way too big a deal of the differences between cameras in current flagships. Handset makers try to make a big deal out of small differences, for the sake of competition, because they can't acknowledge the truth that they've all just decided the eight year old technology of 1/3 sensors is good enough and they'd rather make super thin phones. If you're the sort of person who's really going to get into the small differences between one flagship with a 1/3 sensor and another, then you're probably the sort of person that would appreciate an S5 more, because of it's 1/2.5 sensor, and you're probably the sort of person will to take the Windows Phone plunge so you can get the truly amazing Nokia 1020 with it's 1/1.5 sensor and many other advantages (mechanical shutter, OIS, Xenon flash, pixel binning for over sampling, lossless digital zooming).
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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The LG G3 has the same IMX135 sensor as the 2nd Gen Moto X, but also has OIS. It's prefectly good, but still yet another 1/3 sensor. It's the same sensor in the LG G2, the Note 3, the Galaxy S4, and a bazillion other phones, so it shouldn't be meaningfully different from any of them, except for the potential low light advantage of OIS. (Check this out to see just how many phones have Sony sensors in them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor).
That being said OIS is not a miracle cure for smaller sensors. Neither is the f2.0 aperature on the Nexus 6. They're nice features, but you can only do so much with a smaller 1/3 sensor. Again, these are all ways manufacturers are trying to fiddle around to make the best out of mediocre sensors. The S5 and even the five year old Nokia N86 with 1/2.5 sensors will do almost as well in low light as a phone with OIS (I think the f2.0 will make less of a difference than OIS). And, again, the huge 1/1.8, 1/1.5, 1/1.2 sensors in the Nokia N8, 1020, and 808 (respectively) are going to way out perform a 1/3 sensor with OIS in low light (as well as in every other situation)--and of course the 1020 also has OIS, on top of a huge sensor.
At this point, I don't really know why all flaghips don't have OIS. It has some benefits. And it's stupid to have to choose between a mediocre 1/3 sensor with OIS and a larger 1/2.5 sensor without OIS. It's like two different choices of how to shoot yourself in the foot.
All that to say, I still think these are all pretty minor differences between phones with more or less similar image making capabilities. I wouldn't choose between the LG G3, Moto X, or Nexus 6 for the camera. I might (might) choose the S5 for the camera, but I hate Samsung phones, so I really wouldn't ever get an S5. If the camera really was the main issue to me, I'd get a Nokia 1020 and enter the wonderful world of Windows Phone (which I think is under rated as an interface anyway). But that's really for the serious photographers.
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A final word to the wise. Take the reviews of phone cameras you see online with a huge grain of salt. There are very few sites that do a good job and know what they are talking about. Most site reviewers are essentially amature photographers, making incredibly subjective judgments about images, with no real knowledge of how to take photos in a way that allow for good comparisons, and overplay the differences between today's phones (since they get the phones for free to review, they also have huge conflicts of interest and will mostly avoid saying anything too negative--like acknowledging that the differences between these phones a relatively minor). Dpreview.com is probably the best site I know of.
Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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I'm not especially familiar with the DNA and can't find any information about its sensor, although it appears to have a decent f2.0 aperature. Seems like it had the same sensor as the HTC One X, which was a 1/3.2 backside illuminated CMOS sensor. Reviews seem to find that the HTC One, with it's ultrapixels, took better (more color accurate) photos.
Perhaps there was just something about how the DNA did post-processing on the images that you subjectively liked better.
This is a good example of how sensors have stayed in the 1/3 ballpark for a long time and an older phone can be just as good as today's "flagships," which is basically the point I've been making.
I think the Nexus 5 that your signature says you have (like the Nexus 4 before it) has as somewhat subpar camera by the current standards. So it's understandable that coming from the DNA you could be having a worse experience--though the Nexus 5 has a similar 1/3.2 sensor and OIS. The Nexus 6, if you're' in the market for one, ought to be a decent improvement over the Nexus 5 and better than the DNA. Especially since the Nexus 6 has OIS, on top of a newer and slightly larger 1/3.06 sensor. But, still, I think they are all in the same general range as cameras.
What's with the 30 fps stat listed on the google and moto specific pages... Up to 4k recording but no slow motion capture. I thought the OPO does slo mo.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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Because the stupid invite system ...you still can't get the freaking phone ....
One + is not available for Verizon as far as I know, or I would consider it.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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From a hardware point of view, the main difference will be that the Nexus 6 has OIS (optical image stabilization) and the OnePlus One does not. This should improve photography in low light, allowing for longer exposures. And it will allow for more fluid and stable video, when moving the camera and shooting at the same time. The OnePlus One does have digital image stablization, which OnePlus made a big deal about, but digital image stablization sucks and reviews of the OnePlus One demonstrated this, as if it really needed to be demonstrated yet again on another device.
There could be software differences, in terms of how the phones post-process the images. The OnePlus One, like many phones, produces over-saturated colors, because people tend to like that better (they see the bright colors and think it is a better photo, even though it is an inaccurate representation of the colors in the actual scene). I wouldn't hold my breath for Google choosing to do something different, however. Over-saturated colors are pretty much the norm, not many phones go for more realistic colors. Also, phones sometimes vary on how much sharpening they apply in post processing. Again, sharpening creates the superficial appearance of a sharper image, but actually eliminates detail in the photo, if you zoom way in. Of course, these are things that can be corrected later with image editing software, if you care.
We'll really have to wait for reviews on high quality sites, like Dpreview, before we know if the Nexus 6 and OnePlus One vary at all in how they do post-processing.
Thanks to the prolific leaker - @evleaks
LG’s next flagship smartphone, the 2016 LG G5, will be its most premium handset to date, according to a person briefed on the company’s plans.
The all-metal handset will borrow elements from past G-series devices as well as LG’s most recent flagship, the V10, while also bringing several new features to the table, the source said (who asked not to be named because the information is not yet public).
Besides the metal enclosure, perhaps the most distinctive feature of the 5.3-inch G5 — slightly smaller than the 5.5-inch G4, but with the same 1440 x 2560 QHD resolution — is the alleged secondary “ticker” display, first seen on the larger, 5.7-inch V10. VentureBeat understands that this smaller, 160 x 1040 pixel screen will be one of the company’s headline features across its 2016 lineup, appearing on multiple devices.
Wide-angle camera
Dual displays aren’t the only unique feature tipped for the Android Marshmallow-flavored G5. The device is said to be powered by Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 820 system-on-a-chip, along with the same 3GB of RAM and 32GB of storage found in the G4. Whereas the V10 is equipped with two camera lenses in service of its front-facing selfie camera, the G5 is said to utilize a dual-lens configuration on the rear, giving the main 16-megapixel camera a 135-degree wide-angle capability, the source said.
In between the two lenses is a circle with a quartet of elements in a square configuration, according to the briefed individual, who was also shown images of the upcoming flagship. Two of those are LED flash bulbs, while another one is a laser for assisting with autofocus, first deployed on 2014’s LG G3. The fourth element is seemingly new to the G5: a so-called RGB sensor to further assist with auto focus and other scene recognition functions.
The G5 selfie cam will maintain the same eight-megapixel resolution as the G4, the source said, although no aperture was mentioned (G4 has an f/2.0).
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Underneath the trio of camera components sits a fingerprint sensor similar to the one found on this year’s Nexus 5X, also from LG. While rumors have swirled regarding an iris scanner — as retina scanner rumors have around the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge — nothing of that nature was revealed to VentureBeat.
As far as battery capacity is concerned, LG, it seems, is taking a page out of Apple’s book. Just as the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus are equipped with slightly smaller batteries than the prior model year, so too is the G5 alleged to shrink its removable pack down to 2800mAh, from the G4’s 3000mAh. Bear in mind, though, that the G5’s battery will supposedly power a smaller display and a more efficient processor.
Curiously, there was no mention of a microSD slot, although we would not assume that the omission correlates to its lack of inclusion — especially since LG made the G4’s slot a significant marketing differentiator with respect to the Galaxy S6’s conspicuous lack of expandable storage.
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Finally, in what’s being described as a greater push into the high-margin accessories market, LG is said to have endowed the G5 with what’s being branded as the “Magic Slot.” While its physical incarnation isn’t very clear, it is said to enable some functional expansion by way of hardware modules. The examples we were given range from an array of specified cameras — action, 360 VR, “party” — to an audio amplifier to a physical keyboard.
It brings to mind the Springboard expansion slot in Palm-acquired Handspring’s Visor line of PDAs, one of whose modules enabled it to function as one of the very first smartphones.
Neither price nor release details were shared with VentureBeat, beyond the generic first quarter 2016 launch. For reference, the LG G4 was both unveiled and released this past April.
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5.2" and a smaller battery? Seriously? I was so hyped for the G5. I can live with a smaller battery but even the G4 with its 5.5" is at the bare minimum for me. I just hope this turns out as eveleak's worst leak of all time =(
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I think the screen drop is perfect for me!
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Extremely excited about this but concerned about the pricing. Put off by the 2800mah battery.
5.2? That will be bye bye LG for me!
5.5 is the minimum I want.
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5.2" and a smaller battery? Seriously? I was so hyped for the G5. I can live with a smaller battery but even the G4 with its 5.5" is at the bare minimum for me. I just hope this turns out as eveleak's worst leak of all time =(
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This. I hope so too or else is bye bye LG.
No more lg phone ...they technical support are suck
Sounds interesting if it's true.
Not for me.... Most likely locked down bootloader etc... They can keep it.
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Sammy and LG in 2016 need to prove they still relevant, each of them should show special features that applies solo to their phones, as Hauwii Xiamoi seems to be producing amazing phones and much much lower prices, i hope G5 won't be another G4.
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the G5 alleged to shrink its removable pack down to 2800mAh, from the G4’s 3000mAh.
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indirect confirmation that battery will be replaceable.
Curiously, there was no mention of a microSD slot, although we would not assume that the omission correlates to its lack of inclusion — especially since LG made the G4’s slot a significant marketing differentiator with respect to the Galaxy S6’s conspicuous lack of expandable storage.
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There will be expandable storage.
The rest i will take it as it comes.
Otherwise looks like the G4 was a good buy and will last into the next year without any issues.
This was posted on the XDA portal here.
There's no reason to start a thread on the subject here in the LG G4 section.
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By comparison, the G4 was rated 83 and the G5 85. Also, the OnePlus 5 was rated 87. Galaxy S7 and S8 were both rated 88. And the Pixel and HTC U11 were rated 89 and 90, respectively. I thought the G6 would be rated 87 or 88.
What sites are recommended for smartphone camera reviews? Is dxomark considered trustworthy?
No, not really, they have been proven to be unreliable when it comes to phone reviews. They gave 1+5 stabilization 87 (it has no ois and 4k is shaky as an earthquake), and they gave g6 - 84. That should tell you enough.
DxO should not be held as bastions of smartphone camera quality. They have given a number of devices high scores which clearly were undeserved or not representative of actual real usage. Xperia Z5 for example or even last year's HTC 10 which whilst every reviewer acknowledged camera software was buggy to say the least at launch, leading to very blurry images, DxO testing ignored that and awarded it what was then its highest score.
With OEM's now openly tuning their software to score better DxO marks and many paying DxO for the privilege, the validity of their artificial testing methodology and what it actually means for end users is an ever growing disparity.
I have both the Pixel, S8, iPhone 7+ and G6. Whilst I acknowledge the G6's main sensor or moreover the post processing of its software isn't as good, the extra versatility it's extra wide angle lens affords in real world usage makes it special. Offering photo opportunities I simply do not get in my other devices.
If your happy with the end results, DxO means sweet nothing, and is just as much about posturing as those who obsess over other artificial metrics and benchmarks that have little in common with real world usage.
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I still like the gsmarena charts (normal light and low-light)
But, since the manual mode became a thing (finally). I would honestly want to see multiple ISOs and RAW. I use RAW quite a lot (especially since snapseed works with it on the phone so I don't have to wait for a PC) and I remember clearly switching from LG G4 to S6 and S7 that the photos were underwhelming compared to G4. Especially low light long exposure ones.
I don't care that much for "who has the best jpeg out of the box" thing. If I have an important photo I will go through it in photoshop and apply different levels of noise reduction where necessary. If it's not that important I'll just finish it up in Snapseed and/or just straight up send the jpeg.
Also, I'm not that satisfied with the G5 camera. It's not a bad camera, far from it. But I wish that it would have been bigger (and more pixels like 16MP or more) and/or same megapixel count (since dual cameras so you basically have an optical zoom on it between wide and "normal") and larger sensor.
I am really interested in what the Red phone/camera will bring to the table and Nokia (coming back) also. I really wish for something like a nokia pureview 808 sensor size camera setup (or dual camera).
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Also, I'm not that satisfied with the G5 camera. It's not a bad camera, far from it. But I wish that it would have been bigger (and more pixels like 16MP or more) and/or same megapixel count (since dual cameras so you basically have an optical zoom on it between wide and "normal") and larger sensor.
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You mean G6 r8?
Why they didn't get the idea 1st like the samsung new isocell sensor that can be configured in three different ways – Zoom, Depth sensing and Low Light shooting!
Yep. My bad when talking in a same post about G4 G6 S6 and S7 hahaha
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I have both the Pixel, S8, iPhone 7+ and G6. Whilst I acknowledge the G6's main sensor or moreover the post processing of its software isn't as good, the extra versatility it's extra wide angle lens affords in real world usage makes it special. Offering photo opportunities I simply do not get in my other devices.
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I am disagree with your statement.They use the crap cheap mediocre sensor (IMX258) which Xiaomi & other oem use on there midrange phone.But Lg highly optimize there camera algorithm.You can check the photo compare on gsmarena or phonearen with this same sensor.
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I am disagree with your statement.They use the crap cheap mediocre sensor (IMX258) which Xiaomi & other oem use on there midrange phone.But Lg highly optimize there camera algorithm.You can check the photo compare on gsmarena or phonearen with this same sensor.
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LG may have better post processing than Xiaomi but compared to Google and even Apple - its post processing is not as good. HDR is too aggressive and LG has a tendency to over sharpen.
Comparison is made to the top smartphone cameras - devices it clearly is in competition with - not some mid range ****e that no one really gives a feck about anyway.
The G6 camera is very good but it's strengths come more from the versatility the two cameras offer rather than it's software post processing.
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LG may have better post processing than Xiaomi but compared to Google and even Apple - its post processing is not as good. HDR is too aggressive and LG has a tendency to over sharpen.
Comparison is made to the top smartphone cameras - devices it clearly is in competition with - not some mid range ****e that no one really gives a feck about anyway.
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I never said it's good as apple or pixel,because they use better sensor.I just appreciated their post processing method with this sensor.
Btw in Androidauthority blind test the g6 is winner.
I don't like the iPhone camera.
http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-5-camera-shootout-780369/
Interesting that in this poll with 67,000 votes the LG G6 came out on top over the S8, OnePlus 5, HTC U11, and Pixel. I am not sure what to believe. It seems all of these camera are pretty close to one another in terms of picture quality.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-5-camera-shootout-780369/
Interesting that in this poll with 67,000 votes the LG G6 came out on top over the S8, OnePlus 5, HTC U11, and Pixel. I am not sure what to believe. It seems all of these camera are pretty close to one another in terms of picture quality.
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That is paid by LG
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That is paid by LG
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Oh no, my xzp is not on top, must be rigged
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Very interesting camera shootout...S8 vs G6...and guess who win? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRQ7tWyA5NQ
Android Central chime in and essentially echo everything I have said about DxO and their at best 'flawed' scoring system.
https://m.androidcentral.com/editors-desk-dxomark-worthless
"Reducing a smartphone camera to a percentage score has the problem of being at once too vague and too specific. A number — a non-weighted average — doesn't do justice to the complexity of modern smartphone cameras, where performance can vary widely depending on the situation, and not all factors are equally important. At the same time, a score out of 100 implies precision. The OnePlus 5, Huawei P10 and Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+ are all equally good, the numbers tell us. The LG G6 and Moto G4 Plus, also equal, with DxO scores of 84. Anyone who's used these devices out in the real world will tell you the reality is not even close..."
"There's also a one-point difference between a Samsung Galaxy S8 and a Sony Xperia Z5, which are light-years apart in real-world performance.
This underscores the craziness of putting stock in these single numbered scores for phone cameras, particularly when the same variance can exist between two physically identical cameras and two very, very different ones. DxO scores may well serve as a decent benchmark for the raw capabilities of each camera (personally, I think even that is debatable — see the LG G6 vs Moto G4 Plus example above), but they also have the effect of muddying important details around real-world use."
"All that being said, often DxOMark scores do match up with the observations of experienced tech reviewers. The firm correctly called the Google Pixel as the best smartphone camera of 2016. And I think most reviewers would agree that the HTC U11 has, by a slender margin, probably the best phone camera released in 2017 to date.
But that shouldn't compensate for the egregious examples of DxOMark scores not lining up with reality, the most recent of which tells us that LG's flagship phone of 2017 is only as good as a year-old Motorola mid-ranger. As a result, these scores can be pretty much worthless for directly comparing two or more phones.
Bottom line: DxO's reviews are informative and well-researched. But those numbered scores? Forget 'em."
Look, I could care less about DXO scores. Having come from the OP5, and a 6P shortly before that, I can say the G6 takes better photos than both.
The OP5 would look grainy and often blurred in areas, whereas the G6 doesn't BUT seems to be a little more flat in color.
Guess which one I can correct for after the fact...
(Hint: it's not grain or blur...)
I don't listen to DXOMark I hate them but with that being said I kind of agree with the score. The G6 takes fine pictures (albeit too processed, oversharpened and oversaturated at times) but once you start zooming in it looks terrible. Lots of compression artefacts even in daylight and way oversharpened. It's so oversharpened that the bokeh gets sharpened at times and looks like a waterpainting. My V10 had much better image quality.
My problem with this is that the images can't handle post processing very well. They quickly fall apart. My iPhone is miles better in that regard and I also prefer that camera over this one because of that.
I'm starting to think there is differences in the software between different versions. My unit (h870) never had any problems, but I see a lot of people with h870ds complaning about camera quality. The only thing I agree with dxo is that the camera is inconsistent, sometimes I get a shot that outshines any other smartphone camera and sometimes it's just mediocre, I do hope they fix that in the software.
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I'm starting to think there is differences in the software between different versions. My unit (h870) never had any problems, but I see a lot of people with h870ds complaning about camera quality. The only thing I agree with dxo is that the camera is inconsistent, sometimes I get a shot that outshines any other smartphone camera and sometimes it's just mediocre, I do hope they fix that in the software.
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Possible. I have the H870 and prior to that the Korean G600 variant and neither had the issues some have said regarding compression artefacts and such.
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By comparison, the G4 was rated 83 and the G5 85. Also, the OnePlus 5 was rated 87. Galaxy S7 and S8 were both rated 88. And the Pixel and HTC U11 were rated 89 and 90, respectively. I thought the G6 would be rated 87 or 88.
What sites are recommended for smartphone camera reviews? Is dxomark considered trustworthy?
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They rate the Sony Z5 etc so highly yet its well known that Sony has some of the worst image processing, with the IQ from their phones looking horrid on larger displays, so no I dont trust them at all. Basically the review sites love the G6 camera, but moan a little about the heavy handed NR and processing, but nothing as hectic as some other manufactures. for snaps I find the G6 auto mode perfect, and if I want a nice step up in IQ I use manual mode and process the .dng in Photoshop Express or similar.
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Possible. I have the H870 and prior to that the Korean G600 variant and neither had the issues some have said regarding compression artefacts and such.
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Nice shot.Are some of those touch-up with editing software?
Hi guys. I ordered yesterday X720 variant (4GB/32GB gold) from banggod under flash sale (cost me 192 USD) and I cannot wait it to be delivered to me..
So after that, I started some re-search, especially regarding the camera performance and I found out that Le Pro3 actually has ALMOST the same camera sensor like OnePlus 3T, apart from OIS?
OnePlus 3T has a 16MP Type 1/2.8" Sony IMX298 sensor with f/2.0 aperture lens which is the same (correct me if I am wrong) in Le Pro 3. But OnePlus 3T takes really good and better photos in any environment(good light or low light) if to be compared to LePro 3...
So, can we say that OIS and maybe better rom/software in OP3T makes the difference or what? Or LePro 3 has a potential to takes better photos with some custom ported roms or ported camera apps and come closer to quality of OP3T?
I am sorry, if this or a similar thing had already been talked before here. It will be great to hear your comments and opinions.
Have a nice day/week for all!
If you are running it on Stock ROM, try Google Camera 2.7.10 via https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/
Le Pro 3 has even better IQ than iPhone 7 just so you know. =D
If custom ROM and especially nougat-based, there is a patched version of latest Google Camera with HDR+ enabled.
When it comes to mobile cameras, it's almost always the imaging processing that makes or breaks a photo quality.
OP3/T does share same hardware specs of the camera lens and sensors with the exception of OIS, but it is the software itself that determines how an image is to be processed.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple basically spends a lot of their R&D budget on the imaging software, because camera qualities are synonymous with quality of the phone.
OnePlus did spend fairly large amount of development into their camera software, and it is very good. OiS helps, of course, but image quality itself is determined via software.
When you're using Google Camera, the game changes, however. Since Google Camera does not use OiS even if you have it, it won't be an advantage with OP3/T. Theoretically, the image when using two identical camera app would be very very similar.
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If you are running it on Stock ROM, try Google Camera 2.7.10 via https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/
Le Pro 3 has even better IQ than iPhone 7 just so you know. =D
If custom ROM and especially nougat-based, there is a patched version of latest Google Camera with HDR+ enabled.
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Thank you. What about this one? Are they not the same apps or different?
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...mera-3-2-045-2821762-30-android-apk-download/
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Thank you. What about this one? Are they not the same apps or different?
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...mera-3-2-045-2821762-30-android-apk-download/
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So far 2.7.01 is the only one that works on Stock ROM.
Joms_US said:
If you are running it on Stock ROM, try Google Camera 2.7.10 via https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/
Le Pro 3 has even better IQ than iPhone 7 just so you know. =D
If custom ROM and especially nougat-based, there is a patched version of latest Google Camera with HDR+ enabled.
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rickyoon.vegas said:
When it comes to mobile cameras, it's almost always the imaging processing that makes or breaks a photo quality.
OP3/T does share same hardware specs of the camera lens and sensors with the exception of OIS, but it is the software itself that determines how an image is to be processed.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple basically spends a lot of their R&D budget on the imaging software, because camera qualities are synonymous with quality of the phone.
OnePlus did spend fairly large amount of development into their camera software, and it is very good. OiS helps, of course, but image quality itself is determined via software.
When you're using Google Camera, the game changes, however. Since Google Camera does not use OiS even if you have it, it won't be an advantage with OP3/T. Theoretically, the image when using two identical camera app would be very very similar.
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I just didnt want to open a new thread for this question.
Does stock rom (EUI 5.9 , Marshmallow) supports cam2api? So we can use footej camera, open camera etc?
I am planning to buy the Le Pro 3 x720 and customise it to have a oneplus 3 experience.
The LEx720 and OP3 has the same camera sensor and almost same processor (snapdragon 821 for LEx720 & snapdragon 820 for OP3)
kimovilDOTcom/en/compare/leeco-le-pro-3-6gb-64gb,oneplus-3-6gb-64gb-cn
Yet the x720 camera reviews are less positive in comparison to the OP3. I guess its the processing.
1. So has someone ever tried the Oneplus camera on the LEx720?
apkmirrorDOTcom/apk/oneplus-ltd/oneplus-camera/
2. Is it possible to have some samples comparison please, especially against the google camera?
My alternative choice would be the Meizu M6 Note which boasts the same camera as the HTC U11 and it's working pretty great with its Arcsoft algorithm.
3. Based solely on camera, can the LEx720 deliver a better image quality than the Meizu M6 Note?
I would really appreciate your views.
Thank you all in advance.
I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
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Is that so? Sorry, I didn't know that. I thought it strange that the camera would work on ROMs installed on some devices but not others.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Yeah, Gcam changed everything. Now phones with the worst sensors get decent shots, even at night.