It's it possible to get the MM bootloader without going the OTA route? Does it even make a difference? If I have the MM bootloader, will I still be able to run LP ROMs? Will MM ROMs be more stable with the new bootloader?
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I'm looking for more information as well. I'm on the LP bootloader so that I can go back to stock LP when I get sick of the bugs in stock MM, and custom ROMs. If I have the MM bootloader, I cannot nandroid back, and can't flash LP (or I think even LP custom ROMs, but I can't remember). Since being on LP bootloader, and trying custom ROMs though - I have noticed that they are VERY buggy as opposed to when I was on MM bootloader and using MM custom ROMs. Custom ROMS are now unbearable, unless they've just regressed that much in the last week or two.
How did you get the marshmallow bootloader before and how did you get back to the LP bootloader? I want to get the MM one but don't want to have to go back to stock to do it if I don't have to.
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I just reverted back to stock 5.1 with the tool we have. Then I took the update to get to MM. But I've never looked the laggyness of MM. And once on MM, you can't go back to LP without the restore to stock tool. So I at, stick with LP bootloader, so you can revert back if need be. The MM custom bills seem to be getting buggier and buggier. Unless it's just me.
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Could anyone point me to a TWRP flashable 4.1.2 stock for the Razr M? Will it cause any problems if I use it to switch back and forth with CM 10.1 Preview (which is 4.2.x)?
It would be nice to switch back without having to RSD every time. And, I am enough of a newbie to be worried that RSD won't work now that I've got a 4.2-based ROM on the phone. I have heard you can't RSD down. Is that only true for locked bootloader phones?
Apologies if I am asking the wrong questions, or phrasing is off. I'm quite new to this -- as in rank amateur.
Thanks!
Brokkn said:
Could anyone point me to a TWRP flashable 4.1.2 stock for the Razr M? Will it cause any problems if I use it to switch back and forth with CM 10.1 Preview (which is 4.2.x)?
It would be nice to switch back without having to RSD every time. And, I am enough of a newbie to be worried that RSD won't work now that I've got a 4.2-based ROM on the phone. I have heard you can't RSD down. Is that only true for locked bootloader phones?
Apologies if I am asking the wrong questions, or phrasing is off. I'm quite new to this -- as in rank amateur.
Thanks!
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If your bootloader is unlocked, you won't have problems flashing back down. You don't have to RSD, just flash in recovery. There's a few stock ROMs running around that work on an unlocked bootloader, but most of the stock ROMs on here were designed for use with SafeStrap. Anyway, here's some links. They're not completely stock, but are based off the stock system.
Mostly stock:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307254
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/19889-base-rom-vzw-xt907-412-981q-66-1-updated-662013/
Stock based, but tweaked:
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/17778-romretail-deadrage-v14-662013-412-base/
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/10820-romstable-flyingjelly-21-by-team-litespeed-0612/
You'll need to flash these through RSD:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2250155
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...unofficial-dst-wmods-unlocked-bootlader-only/
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If your bootloader is unlocked, you won't have problems flashing back down. You don't have to RSD, just flash in recovery. There's a few stock ROMs running around that work on an unlocked bootloader, but most of the stock ROMs on here were designed for use with SafeStrap. Anyway, here's some links. They're not completely stock, but are based off the stock system.
Mostly stock:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307254
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/19889-base-rom-vzw-xt907-412-981q-66-1-updated-662013/
Stock based, but tweaked:
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/17778-romretail-deadrage-v14-662013-412-base/
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/10820-romstable-flyingjelly-21-by-team-litespeed-0612/
You'll need to flash these through RSD:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2250155
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...unofficial-dst-wmods-unlocked-bootlader-only/
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http://batakang.com/ftp/?dir=devs/mhous33/XT907/98.16.1
for years, the first thing i did when i got a new phone was root it and install a new ROM.
Now things seem to be different for me.
i immediately rooted my phone but regret not researching this phone and Android 4.3 and 4.4 better before rooting.
i noticed a lot of the roms require that you flash the leaked KitKat. i tried to do this but it fails every time. So i figured i will just stick to what i have now and wait until the official OTA update.
Well that can't be done since i rooted my phone.
Now for my questions.
Do i need KitKat before installing CarbonROM and if not can i install this instead of the leaked ROM as a prerequisite to other 4.4 based ROMs?
Is it plausible, and perhaps better, to wait for an official KitKat firmware to be downloadable from XDA?
Is there anyway i can get OTA to work again on my rooted device?
Is it worth going all the way back to stock ROM and unrooted device just for OTA release of KitKat?
Is that even possible now that KNOX has been tripped?
Thanks in advance.
Any CM based rom still requires JELLY BEAN'S Boot loader.. so if you want CM/CARBON/AOSB etc then do not upgrade to 4.4.2
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Android 5.0 (Lollipop) Bootloader and KitKat Compatibility
Everyone wants Lollipop, however it is worth considering some of the possible consequences of upgrading via OTA update.
Flashable zip of Android 5.0.2 'Soak Test' now available and boots with KitKat Bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/development/rom-retail-brazil-lollipop-soak-test-t2998793
Downgrading to KitKat also possible even with Lollipop Bootloader.
Bootloader:
A new Bootloader (BL) will almost certainly be is included in the OTA update. It is also very likely no KitKat Kernel, stock or custom will be able to boot properly with the 5.0 BL. Perhaps the Kernel DEVs can find a workaround.
Root: (DONE)
It may take some time to gain root access on Lollipop as on other devices this has required a custom Kernel. A custom kernel itself may require kernel sources to be released - something that has taken weeks / months in the past.
Chainfire releases Android 5.0 Root for Moto G (2013) (All Models)
In addition; apps that use root access in KitKat, require further development to have functional root access in Lollipop.
Xposed Framework:
Developer has said he will wait for CyanogenMod based on Lollipop before properly starting development of an ART version of Xposed. CM12 may take a few weeks to release. Expect to do without Xposed for at least a month, probably longer since root is also required (see above.) Related: Alternatives to popular Xposed Modules
Custom Recovery:
This has not been an issue before, but it is always possible a new Bootloader could break compatibility with existing Custom Recoveries. Obviously, you would not be able to restore a CWM / TWRP backup without a functional custom recovery; but even then, it is unlikely you will [not] be able to boot your KitKat backup. CWM unaffected, TWRP not fully supported yet.
Custom ROMs:
This is another area that could be affected by a new Bootloader. It is unknown if existing custom ROMs will require new Kernels / system changes in order to work with the new BL - something that could take days, weeks or months. CyanogenMod 12 (Lollipop) for Moto G (Falcon) now available and does not appear to require a new BL.
Performance:
Currently the performance difference between KitKat and Lollipop is unknown. If the first release of Lollipop for Moto G has performance issues, you may be unable to revert back to stock KitKat.Possible solution:
Wait for a flashable zip [NOT OTA Update zip] of Stock Moto G Lollipop ROM - this would mean your Bootloader remains at it's current version and potentially allowing you to change 'back and forth' between Stock KitKat and Stock Lollipop. However, it is currently unknown if the newer BL is a requirement for Android 5.0 Kernels. Flashable zip of Android 5.0.2 'Soak Test' now available and boots with KitKat Bootloader.
That is what I thought, since something like that happened because of the upgrade from JB to KK. Taking all of this into account, I'm not sure to upgrade immediately when the OTA comes out, maybe I'll try to still alive waiting for reviews from someone who dares to OTA right then.
You can be pretty sure it'll bring a bootloader update too because of all the fundamental changes lollipop brings in almost all areas of the OS. Major relase, as was gingerbread -> ICS.
It's pretty safe to say that once you upgrade, it won't be easy to downgrade, if at all possible... Many changes are in the security area and everything is getting tightened up a lot... Loads of tempting things we'll get in this upgrade, yes, but we'll have to give up much of what we're used to (in terms of rooting/etc), at least for a little while. I'll also wait until the dust settles a bit and it's clearer on where we stand with the upgrade once it gets released.
nice info
lost101 said:
Android 5.0 Bootloader and KitKat Compatibility
Everyone wants Lollipop, however it is worth considering some of the possible consequences of upgrading via OTA update.
Bootloader:
A new Bootloader (BL) will almost certainly be included in the OTA update. It is also very likely no KitKat Kernel, stock or custom will be able to boot properly with the 5.0 BL. Perhaps the kernel DEVs can find a workaround.
Root:
It may take some time to gain root access on Lolipop as on other devices this has required a custom Kernel. A custom kernel itself may require kernel sources to be released - something that has taken weeks / months in the past.
Custom Recovery:
This has not been an issue before, but it is always possible a new Bootloader could break compatibility with existing Custom Recoveries.
Performance:
Currently the performance difference between KitKat and Lollipop is unknown. If the first release of Lollipop has performance issues on Moto G, you may be unable to revert back to stock KitKat.
Alternative solution:
Wait for a flashable zip of Stock Moto G Lollipop ROM - this would mean your Bootloader remains at it's current version and potentially allowing you to change between Stock KitKat and Stock Lollipop. However, it is currently unknown if the newer BL is a requirement for Android 5.0 Kernels.
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UUUUUUHHHHHHHH iam afraight. a little. who needs bootloaders. i dont.
juanchotazo99 said:
You can be pretty sure it'll bring a bootloader update too because of all the fundamental changes lollipop brings in almost all areas of the OS. Major relase, as was gingerbread -> ICS.
It's pretty safe to say that once you upgrade, it won't be easy to downgrade, if at all possible... Many changes are in the security area and everything is getting tightened up a lot... Loads of tempting things we'll get in this upgrade, yes, but we'll have to give up much of what we're used to (in terms of rooting/etc), at least for a little while. I'll also wait until the dust settles a bit and it's clearer on where we stand with the upgrade once it gets released.
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Will you be able to wait when you see that little notification saying there's a new system update awaiting you?? I'll eat my nails until then!
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
Drift0r said:
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
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I don't think so....
Drift0r said:
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
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Bootloader doesn't matter. Root doesn't matter. What does matter is the software on your phone that checks for OTA updates. As long as that is functioning; you will get the notification.
You can ignore the update notification and will not be forced to install it.
Drift0r said:
Can i still get the OTA update even though my bootloader is unlocked and rooted? (Kitkat 4.4.4.)
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The only real thing you need to install the OTA is stock recovery, doesnt matter bootloader or root, only stock recovery to install the OTA! :good:
As always, very informative thread @lost101.
lost101 said:
Bootloader doesn't matter. Root doesn't matter. What does matter is the software on your phone that checks for OTA updates. As long as that is functioning; you will get the notification.
You can ignore the update notification and will not be forced to install it.
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MarckozZ said:
The only real thing you need to install the OTA is stock recovery, doesnt matter bootloader or root, only stock recovery to install the OTA! :good:
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How do I know what recovery I am on? I entered recovery and it is like this http://i.gyazo.com/1c3fa4923e85db7042ad6e36b97a31cc.png then when I click recovery on that screen I am on CWM, does that mean I can't or can do it?
Also I am not using any roms or anything, just rooted it for Xposed.
Drift0r said:
How do I know what recovery I am on? I entered recovery and it is like this http://i.gyazo.com/1c3fa4923e85db7042ad6e36b97a31cc.png then when I click recovery on that screen I am on CWM, does that mean I can't or can do it?
Also I am not using any roms or anything, just rooted it for Xposed.
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You need stock recovery and rid of xposedand any modules
MarckozZ said:
The only real thing you need to install the OTA is stock recovery, doesnt matter bootloader or root, only stock recovery to install the OTA! :good:
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And another real thing is pure/stock system. Which means no system apps were deleted or frizzed no mods were installed through custom recovery no custom kernels no luckyputcher stuff. And I think you have to delete xposed framework (manually via xposed installer).
And a lot of users think that it's enough just to flash back stock recovery and install ota. But then they are just wondering why is it can not install. So, untouched system block is mandatory for applying ota as well as stock recovery.
Root, unlocked bootloader and custom boot logo are things you could keep.
Is stock recovery and stock firmware same? If not how do i get stock recovery back?
S0bes said:
And another real thing is pure/stock system. Which means no system apps were deleted or frizzed no mods were installed through custom recovery no custom kernels no luckyputcher stuff. And I think you have to delete xposed framework (manually via xposed installer).
And a lot of users think that it's enough just to flash back stock recovery and install ota. But then they are just wondering why is it can not install. So, untouched system block is mandatory for applying ota as well as stock recovery.
Root, unlocked bootloader and custom boot logo are things you could keep.
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How about if you are using Adaway?
I know this will change something to the file hosts.
Do you need to get this original hosts file as well?
Drift0r said:
How do I know what recovery I am on? I entered recovery and it is like this http://i.gyazo.com/1c3fa4923e85db7042ad6e36b97a31cc.png then when I click recovery on that screen I am on CWM, does that mean I can't or can do it?
Also I am not using any roms or anything, just rooted it for Xposed.
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I'd reccomend to you this: when the OTA comes up, restore stock 4.4.2 firmware, then OTA to 4.4.4 and then to 5.0... Or if you find a 4.4.4 firmware just flash it and then OTA to 5.0... But the best you could do is to install the Lollipop OTA in a fresh new installed system.
S0bes said:
And another real thing is pure/stock system. Which means no system apps were deleted or frizzed no mods were installed through custom recovery no custom kernels no luckyputcher stuff. And I think you have to delete xposed framework (manually via xposed installer).
And a lot of users think that it's enough just to flash back stock recovery and install ota. But then they are just wondering why is it can not install. So, untouched system block is mandatory for applying ota as well as stock recovery.
Root, unlocked bootloader and custom boot logo are things you could keep.
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Yes, maybe the best thing is to backup everything and restore all things to stock... then OTA to Lollipop... :good:
MarckozZ said:
I'd reccomend to you this: when the OTA comes up, restore stock 4.4.2 firmware, then OTA to 4.4.4 and then to 5.0... Or if you find a 4.4.4 firmware just flash it and then OTA to 5.0... But the best you could do is to install the Lollipop OTA in a fresh new installed system.
Yes, maybe the best thing is to backup everything and restore all things to stock... then OTA to Lollipop... :good:
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Almost always it is enough to flash only system img files without erasing userdara. It should rewrite system block so it becames stock
MarckozZ said:
I'd reccomend to you this: when the OTA comes up, restore stock 4.4.2 firmware, then OTA to 4.4.4 and then to 5.0... Or if you find a 4.4.4 firmware just flash it and then OTA to 5.0... But the best you could do is to install the Lollipop OTA in a fresh new installed system.
Yes, maybe the best thing is to backup everything and restore all things to stock... then OTA to Lollipop... :good:
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How do I restore it to 4.4.3? Im currently downloading this file to flash via mfastboot RET-EU-SS_4.4.3_KXB21.14-L1.31_cid7_CFC_1FF.xml.zip from this guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542219 would this work?
my phone moto g 4g lte - xt1039
Drift0r said:
How do I restore it to 4.4.3? Im currently downloading this file to flash via mfastboot RET-EU-SS_4.4.3_KXB21.14-L1.31_cid7_CFC_1FF.xml.zip from this guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542219 would this work?
my phone moto g 4g lte - xt1039
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You can try the guide I've done with some help from other users here at XDA...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/guide-restore-moto-firmware-gpe-t2914884
Hi, my g2 is running stock lollipop. If I want to try an aosp lollipop based rom I just need to wipe the old system and flash the new one? I do not have to flash any other stuff life "back to kk" or be worried about the sensors or modem, or recoveries am I right?
anyone?
no sir, if you are on stock Lollipop you are not clear to flash any ROM's, do you have a custom recovery?
Apologies, as I have not tried the OTA lollipop....how is it? Worth trying in place of a constantly rebooting CM12-based phone?
You will need to be running a 4.3 bootloader before flashing the Lollipop ROM's, so you will need to take some steps to downgrade.
berryman13 said:
no sir, if you are on stock Lollipop you are not clear to flash any ROM's, do you have a custom recovery?
Apologies, as I have not tried the OTA lollipop....how is it? Worth trying in place of a constantly rebooting CM12-based phone?
You will need to be running a 4.3 bootloader before flashing the Lollipop ROM's, so you will need to take some steps to downgrade.
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So we just have to flash jelly bean bootloader true recovery if I come from stock lollipop to an AOSP rom?
And what if we want to go back from AOSP to stock lollipop?
Thx!
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My phone is unlocked and rooted. It wants to download the OTA but I know that Motorola says on their site you will have problems with the OTA. Should I download it or Should I flash a ROM.
mongoose96 said:
My phone is unlocked and rooted. It wants to download the OTA but I know that Motorola says on their site you will have problems with the OTA. Should I download it or Should I flash a ROM.
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You must be PURE stock to take an OTA update, or it will fail and bootloop... Flash a rom if you wish.
What i did was make a back up of everything just incase and then look up the ota version on your phone and get it in the rom section and look up twrp flashable OTAs and just flash it. you might lose root but its easy to get back if you flash magisk again.
You can found the right guide here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/guide-complex-ota-update-magisk-rooted-t3688175
does anyone have fastboot stock rom?
siddhesh9146 said:
does anyone have fastboot stock rom?
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Of the current version? lol, no, we wish... we are averaging 3-6 months behind OTA releases for full ROM images, if we get them at all. Moto does not officially provide them, so they have to be leaked somehow, and sources are completely dried up yet, but it's getting there. :/
Hi. Can I get Oreo Ota for mi xt1670 with rooted device but locked BL? I'm on stock everything. Thanks.
mortadelax said:
Hi. Can I get Oreo Ota for mi xt1670 with rooted device but locked BL? I'm on stock everything. Thanks.
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You can't be rooted with a locked bootloader so your question is obsolete.
You can apply to OTA with an unlocked bootloader.
You can't if you're rooted or changed anything else in /system or /vendor.
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Wolfcity said:
You can't be rooted with a locked bootloader so your question is obsolete.
You can apply to OTA with an unlocked bootloader.
You can't if you're rooted or changed anything else in /system or /vendor.
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Thanks for the reply. Very clear! Please I need more help. The thing is...I don't want the oreo ota right now. This is my mother's phone so I don't want any problem. Nougat is just fine for now. So I need to stop the upgrade notification spam. I believe I must unlock BL, then root, then freeze the upgrader app. Is that correct? I can't force stop the app. That's for now.
I've read bad reviews about oreo battery drain and other stuff. That's why I'm trying to avoid it.
If someday I want it, maybe will install some rom.
Thanks bro.
EDIT. Does this make sense? Or should I stay stock everything and take the ota/ignore the spam everyday?
EDIT 2. Another question. What happen if I take the oreo ota, and i don't like it. Can I unlock BL, root, install some nougat rom, as a pseudo downgrade?
mortadelax said:
Thanks for the reply. Very clear! Please I need more help. The thing is...I don't want the oreo ota right now. This is my mother's phone so I don't want any problem. Nougat is just fine for now. So I need to stop the upgrade notification spam. I believe I must unlock BL, then root, then freeze the upgrader app. Is that correct? I can't force stop the app. That's for now.
I've read bad reviews about oreo battery drain and other stuff. That's why I'm trying to avoid it.
If someday I want it, maybe will install some rom.
Thanks bro.
EDIT. Does this make sense? Or should I stay stock everything and take the ota/ignore the spam everyday?
EDIT 2. Another question. What happen if I take the oreo ota, and i don't like it. Can I unlock BL, root, install some nougat rom, as a pseudo downgrade?
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Oreo ist absolutely fine, no problems with it.
I haven't heard of any issues like increased battery drain, for me nothing changed at all regarding battery and the rest is also working flawlessly.
It would be a lot of action to unlock and root the device just to stop the updater service.
If you don't have any other plans that need root privileges I recommend just taking the OTA (s).
If you want to run another ROM later you can always unlock the bootloader, install TWRP, root the device and install any kind of custom ROM, Nougat, Oreo or Pie. There are also TWRP flashable stock firmwares which make it easy to move between different stock versions.
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Wolfcity said:
If you want to run another ROM later you can always unlock the bootloader, install TWRP, root the device and install any kind of custom ROM, Nougat, Oreo or Pie. There are also TWRP flashable stock firmwares which make it easy to move between different stock versions.
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That's good. A pseudo downgrade is possible. Thanks man. I'll think about it. And yes, the root privileges is just for stopping the updater.
Cheers
EDIT. Man, are you sure about this? Taking the Oreo Ota, and in the future unlock BL, root and install whatever rom?
mortadelax said:
That's good. A pseudo downgrade is possible. Thanks man. I'll think about it. And yes, the root privileges is just for stopping the updater.
Cheers
EDIT. Man, are you sure about this? Taking the Oreo Ota, and in the future unlock BL, root and install whatever rom?
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Yes I am.
Just check some of the custom ROM threads, there are some that need stock Nougat as base but the most of them need Oreo. For custom ROMs there are no up/downgrading problems, that's only the case for stock firmwares.
And as said above, there are TWRP flashable stock builds that doesn't have these problems too and will bring you to whatever stock firmware you want, not just pseudo. (Here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5...o-twrp-flashable-stock-builds-coming-t3830482 )
So if you're on stock Oreo after unlocking the bootloader and flashing TWRP all options are open for you. Just don't forget to make a full nandroid backup incl. EFS and persist before you flash anything.
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