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I noticed that my battery from my first evo which was given to me back in May was slightly different then the ones being issued now with the evo's. They are still both red but different in markings, and I happened to place my old battery in my newer evo and am getting way battery life with the old battery in the new evo compared to the new evo with the battery it came with. Just like my first evo seemed to be built a lot better then the ones being pushed out now. Just an observation I've noticed, and since we all have been having battery issues with our phones but I think it has to do with the way the hardware is being developed and who they are getting their products from. It's as if the newer phones aren't built tough, but I've been using my new phone with old battery and well over 14hrs of up time, and over 2hrs of awake time with 41% left and that with heavy usage.
Also my old evo battery was 75% still charged without being used for at least a month and a half.
What kind of battery life do you get if you use the new battery?
I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect. I also feel that the differences in the screens may attribute to a difference in power draw. We have different screens with very similar set ups and he constantly gets better life. Then again, our phones are a month apart from purchase so that could give validity to different batteries.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
Mine has the following on the back of the battery:
Model: RHOD160 (Shouldn't be different)
Made: In China
SN: not relevant
PN: 35H00123-25M (not sure what this number is...chime in if you do)
Also, I doubt the relevance, but I'm rated at 3.7VDC/1500MAh and 5.55Whr. That's just something a few may want to compare just in case.
smarcin said:
What kind of battery life do you get if you use the new battery?
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It varies on the rom and kernel, but it still seemed to be drained no matter what and especially with heavy usage. But my old battery is rolling I actually have more voice calls then cell standby and android system, I think htc uses different vendors for their products, I even took out and compared the batteries side by side and they are different.
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I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
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When my wife gets home I will post different pictures of the batteries side by side, even the watermark to see whether or not the phones battery has water damage is even different.
Even the phones are slightly different when the back plates are removed.
Yup.
My wife and I have different batteries in ours. Both purchased the same day:
More info over at ppcgeeks:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-evo-4g/124917-different-batteries-newer-evos-better-battery-life.html
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Yup.
My wife and I have different batteries in ours. Both purchased the same day:
More info over at ppcgeeks:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-evo-4g/124917-different-batteries-newer-evos-better-battery-life.html
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And my purchases where months a part, one in may at google i/o and the other in september. And the battery consumption of both are different, I get way better battery life out of my old evo battery, I even thought that the battery would be dead after sitting for such a long time, but it had 75% juice left which is amazing to me. Thanks for the help Myn! I guess it just depends on which one you get and from which manufature supplied it lol. But for me the old one that was released with the first wave before released to sprint is a lot better then the newer ones.
In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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Before people even ask:
Our evo's do not have an amoled screen. Never have....and never will.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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It could be but I'm using the newer htc evo,but with an 1st gen battery which was distributed in May of this year, so to recieve better battery consumption with the newer phone using the older battery then in my case it's not about the phone, but the battery. Also my older phone from May took to just about any customization, kernel, rom, theme, whatever, it would run smooth, OC to 1267 and 1280 no problems with some of the same kernels and roms I've tried on the newer phone, with no avail. So there's something behind the 3rd party or what have you on who htc decides to use to help produce these phones and batteries. Because if HTC was doing everything the same then you wouldn't see different quality, hardware. It's like if you go to mcdonalds where you live and then go to the mcdonalds in another part of the world you expect mcdonalds food to be using the same reciepes being they are a organization, that stands behind their product, and not using other organizations to make the double cheeseburger, or closer popeyes or kfc, they use the same reciepe no matter where you at. But in this industrie of technology you have one party making the cpu today and a different one making it tomorrow.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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No Evos use AMOLED or Super LCD. You're thinking of the Desire.
zikronix said:
Before people even ask:
Our evo's do not have an amoled screen. Never have....and never will.
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Pretty sure its just a regular old LCD as well... not SuperLCD too
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It could be but I'm using the newer htc evo,but with an 1st gen battery which was distributed in May of this year, so to recieve better battery consumption with the newer phone using the older battery then in my case it's not about the phone, but the battery. Also my older phone from May took to just about any customization, kernel, rom, theme, whatever, it would run smooth, OC to 1267 and 1280 no problems with some of the same kernels and roms I've tried on the newer phone, with no avail. So there's something behind the 3rd party or what have you on who htc decides to use to help produce these phones and batteries. Because if HTC was doing everything the same then you wouldn't see different quality, hardware. It's like if you go to mcdonalds where you live and then go to the mcdonalds in another part of the world you expect mcdonalds food to be using the same reciepes being they are a organization, that stands behind their product, and not using other organizations to make the double cheeseburger, or closer popeyes or kfc, they use the same reciepe no matter where you at. But in this industrie of technology you have one party making the cpu today and a different one making it tomorrow.
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You're right. Having other firms manufacture certain parts in technological industries allow firms to stay flexible and switch to the newest technology at little cost.
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You're right. Having other firms manufacture certain parts in technological industries allow firms to stay flexible and switch to the newest technology at little cost.
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But doing this there can be two sides of everything, as for us and with htc, some are experiencing smoother phones then others and the number 1 issue battery life. If they would stay consistent and attempt to make everything equal instead of trying to make more money or move ahead people would be more satisfied. If i'm not mistakened, Apple tends to make everything themselves, don't hold me on that but I thought that was something that came up and why they compare apple to pc. Making all your parts well at least the ones that matter, helps consumers be happy and keep people pushing out money to support. Though your going to have your defects, but other then that you would expect a mac book to operate the same that you brought and then maybe your wife or someone else brought.
shouldn't this be in general
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shouldn't this be in general
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IMO I think this would be a good post for this section being that every thread you read it's about people and their battery life and especially for those hoping from rom to rom as I do, and some even blame development of the rom for such results, which roms and kernels play a part but more or less it's about the hardware. But if everyone see's this as inappropriate then I'm pretty sure they would have it removed.
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I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect. I also feel that the differences in the screens may attribute to a difference in power draw. We have different screens with very similar set ups and he constantly gets better life. Then again, our phones are a month apart from purchase so that could give validity to different batteries.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
Mine has the following on the back of the battery:
Model: RHOD160 (Shouldn't be different)
Made: In China
SN: not relevant
PN: 35H00123-25M (not sure what this number is...chime in if you do)
Also, I doubt the relevance, but I'm rated at 3.7VDC/1500MAh and 5.55Whr. That's just something a few may want to compare just in case.
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Everything you have is the same as the one I have on my old battery except for the part number mine is 35H00123-22M, But my old battery is made slightly different then the newer one, as well as it could be something that htc places (red covering)on the batteries before they are sent out. But I will provide pictures of the two batteries later with the way they are different (looks/design).
I have also noticed that battery are different.
I got 2 OEM batteries for my EVO and was shipped 2 for the HD2. These at first I said well they will not work. But they have been great. They last longer then the RED one that came with the 2nd phone I got.
about 3 weeks ago my wife got the Evo White. and I can tell you her battery does not last as long as the HD2 battery. And my original Red one last longer then her Red one.
And I will also say that it's not made the same. My does feel like it's a bit tighter all around.
But both work great and just plain love the Evo's.
I don't know about batteries, but I rooted 3 EvO's for friends that were just purchased close to a month ago and I noticed the differences right away. The colors were washed out and not as vibrant as my 0002 w/Nova screen. And don't even get me started on the light bleeding...It was coming out the top of the capacitive buttons and even shining right through the HDMI & USB ports.
I kept my mouth shut cause they seemed happy with it, especially after I flashed a rom and theme
Just walked by the TV and happened to see a La-Z-Boy advertisement.
In the ads, there's two chicks talking about colors or something...BUT! They're using a Xoom!!
http://www.la-z-boy.com/Design-Center/Ads/1/10052dd7-0ed1-4e1b-a16d-b0c358f11185/
Yeah!
K..........
cool.happy to be xoom user
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Just walked by the TV and happened to see a La-Z-Boy advertisement.
In the ads, there's two chicks talking about colors or something...BUT! They're using a Xoom!!
http://www.la-z-boy.com/Design-Center/Ads/1/10052dd7-0ed1-4e1b-a16d-b0c358f11185/
Yeah!
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Several Adobe Touch apps tutorials are on a Xoom. I think it will get more popular as the price has come down,it's an excellent device, it does what it does so well, and is guanteed to get ICS early on.
Agreed. In a world where almost all serious devices (I'm excluding low-end stuff from companies like Archos) share the same hardware, what makes a difference is the price and the build quality. And aside from an average quality screen (which still isn't THAT bad), the Xoom build is pretty much good quality. It feels solid in your hands, and the battery is also giving out good autonomy (and it charges REALLY fast). So a Xoom sold at a lower price should still be quite popular. Personally, my only gripe with it compared to other devices is its weight - and yet it's still light enough to be a comfortable eReader (I've read maybe 5 or 6 complete books on it so far).
But when your competition such as Amazon admit selling their device BELOW cost price (they are losing around $3 per Kindle Fire sold), it's hard to see how a company like Motorola that sells no content and only a handful of accessories can truly compete on pricing.
okantomi said:
Several Adobe Touch apps tutorials are on a Xoom. I think it will get more popular as the price has come down,it's an excellent device, it does what it does so well, and is guanteed to get ICS early on.
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The price has been going down. I got mine from dailysteals for $350. They sold 700 of them at this price.
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Also the german T-Mobile ad show the Xoom in the Telekom MediaCenter ad
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Agreed. In a world where almost all serious devices (I'm excluding low-end stuff from companies like Archos) share the same hardware, what makes a difference is the price and the build quality. And aside from an average quality screen (which still isn't THAT bad), the Xoom build is pretty much good quality. It feels solid in your hands, and the battery is also giving out good autonomy (and it charges REALLY fast). So a Xoom sold at a lower price should still be quite popular. Personally, my only gripe with it compared to other devices is its weight - and yet it's still light enough to be a comfortable eReader (I've read maybe 5 or 6 complete books on it so far).
But when your competition such as Amazon admit selling their device BELOW cost price (they are losing around $3 per Kindle Fire sold), it's hard to see how a company like Motorola that sells no content and only a handful of accessories can truly compete on pricing.
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The Kindle Fire has less flash memory (8 GB vs. 32 GB), no GPS, no Barometer, no Magnetometer/Compass, lacks Dual band WiFi, no Blutooth, no external flash (MicroSD), Cameras front or rear........doesn't have Team Tiamat
That list should make for a great deal of the price difference. Did I leave anything else off the list?
Hello, everyone.
I am in a search of a 10" tablet, and ever since I found out about Nexus 10 - I have been wanting to get one, and this time seems to be a good moment to get it, especially since its price has dropped since it's official launch a year ago, and I'm not even looking at the prices for used devices.
But what currently concerns me is a chance to gen in an awkward situation of getting a Nexus 10 and a few months later Google could announce the second generation of this tablet, just like with Nexus 7 when I bought it back in December only to find about the second generation which is FAR superior, and I just couldn't resist to not buy it (probably my best bought ever).
First I guess I should get it straight for every one who shall post in this thread - even despite N10 may be behind the rest of the tablet market compared to the latest and greatest 10" devices out there, I really dislike the Big Four (e.g. GNote 10.1 2014, iPad Air, Xperia Tablet Z and Transformer TF701) for various reasons, mainly being the OEM logo on the front and some design decisions I don't quite like.
So I guess you could consider this thread as "Convince me to get the N10", and I have several questions about this device:
1) How is the screen compared to N7 2013, if there are any owners of both devices?
2) How well does it perform? Do you face the lack of available RAM? Does it perform well on latest Android versions?
3) How good it this tablet for gaming? Is Mali GPU powerful enough to run Real Racing 3, Asphalt 8, Dead Trigger 2, Dungeon Hunter 4, Galaxy on Fire 2?
I was also thinking about an option of getting a used N10 + used iPad 2 if I am lucky with money
Thanks in advance
Well there were some rumors that LG will release a 2nd Gen nexus 10 but there's no official announcement yet. I'd say it's pretty close so you can wait a month until the holidays.
Either way, this is still a great tablet, kit kat brought a lot of under the hood improvements and the device is running very well, especially if you root it.
Unless you have to have the latest and great, you can pick up a used 1st gen cheap in like new shape... That's what I just did. People are unloading them now...
We're only talking maybe a month at most at this point so I'd just wait, you can go ahead and buy a refurbished one to save money though
Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
So I guess you could consider this thread as "Convince me to get the N10", and I have several questions about this device:
1) How is the screen compared to N7 2013, if there are any owners of both devices?
2) How well does it perform? Do you face the lack of available RAM? Does it perform well on latest Android versions?
3) How good it this tablet for gaming? Is Mali GPU powerful enough to run Real Racing 3, Asphalt 8, Dead Trigger 2, Dungeon Hunter 4, Galaxy on Fire 2?
I was also thinking about an option of getting a used N10 + used iPad 2 if I am lucky with money
Thanks in advance
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Love my N10. I had thought about purchasing a Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition, but changed my mind after using it for over a week (borrowed one from a friend). Nice performance boost, but no where near enough to make a large enough to warrant $500 when I have a decent tablet that does everything I need. S-Pen was really nice, but I stopped using it two days into the trial.
As to the questions.
1. The N10 has a super crisp 320ppi display. The resolution is higher than the N7 2013 tab, but the N7 has a higher price rating. One very important note: Kitkat 4.4 has made a significant change on the N10. Improved the color calibration. See the color calibration thread and check the posts post 4.4. I have an N10 and a N7 (original) and the color really improved on the N10. Someone who has the new N7 as well as the N10 will need to confirm, but I believe that they close to parity now.
2. Performance is great! I'm able to do whatever I want without lagging performance. The Mali God used also does a great job. Sure faster GPU's have since been released but the one selected was a top performer at release and still holds it's own. 4.4 also brought a boost in my benchmarks so the driver is better optimized than prior.
I don't know of any lack of memory. The 2GB does have a portion allocated to the GPU's, but I multitask a number of apps and have yet run into a problem related to a memory constraint. KitKat has also improved memory handling, so even less of an issue than previously.
3. Gaming? This tab really rocks. I have Asphalt 7 and Batman TDKR, Nova 3 and several others. Very smooth and perform well. Would like to see options to change screen resolution as the few times there is any reduced fps would be improved at a lower resolution.
iPad 2? Why? So that you can repurchase your apps on both platforms? Makes little sense to me.
Bipedial said:
We're only talking maybe a month at most at this point so I'd just wait, you can go ahead and buy a refurbished one to save money though
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A refurbished tab makes sense as you still get the warranty and save even more.
I disagree about one month at best. Media hype started this trend. If pattern follows suit, it's more likely in July 2014.
SeaFractor said:
Love my N10. I had thought about purchasing a Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition, but changed my mind after using it for over a week (borrowed one from a friend). Nice performance boost, but no where near enough to make a large enough to warrant $500 when I have a decent tablet that does everything I need. S-Pen was really nice, but I stopped using it two days into the trial.
As to the questions.
1. The N10 has a super crisp 320ppi display. The resolution is higher than the N7 2013 tab, but the N7 has a higher price rating. One very important note: Kitkat 4.4 has made a significant change on the N10. Improved the color calibration. See the color calibration thread and check the posts post 4.4. I have an N10 and a N7 (original) and the color really improved on the N10. Someone who has the new N7 as well as the N10 will need to confirm, but I believe that they close to parity now.
2. Performance is great! I'm able to do whatever I want without lagging performance. The Mali God used also does a great job. Sure faster GPU's have since been released but the one selected was a top performer at release and still holds it's own. 4.4 also brought a boost in my benchmarks so the driver is better optimized than prior.
I don't know of any lack of memory. The 2GB does have a portion allocated to the GPU's, but I multitask a number of apps and have yet run into a problem related to a memory constraint. KitKat has also improved memory handling, so even less of an issue than previously.
3. Gaming? This tab really rocks. I have Asphalt 7 and Batman TDKR, Nova 3 and several others. Very smooth and perform well. Would like to see options to change screen resolution as the few times there is any reduced fps would be improved at a lower resolution.
iPad 2? Why? So that you can repurchase your apps on both platforms? Makes little sense to me.
A refurbished tab makes sense as you still get the warranty and save even more.
I disagree about one month at best. Media hype started this trend. If pattern follows suit, it's more likely in July 2014.
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Uhh, I think you overshot the date by half a year+
Those that are saying it is only a month away etc are PURELY speculating, or citing those dodgey link bait troll sites.
There has been NO credible evidence that a second gen N10 is even in existence.
It could be 1 week. It could be 6 months, OR they might NEVER make another 10 incher again!
I'll just happily plod along with my HP touchpad until it is released.. but I CANT STOP SEARCHING FOR NEWS ABOUT IT. I don't know what it is but I want a 2nd gen N10 so bad.. I think because I saw how good the 2012 N7 was, then the 2013 N7 blew it out of the water..
I got a 90 warranty refurbished delivered for $314 and I expect the new N10 when it comes out soon will be like $500+shipping+tax and so be heading to $550+, will it be twice as good as the $314 I paid? Doubt it.
Is there anything wrong about the current N10 which justifies delay? I'd say the biggest problem it has is probably battery life.
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Unless you have to have the latest and great, you can pick up a used 1st gen cheap in like new shape... That's what I just did. People are unloading them now...
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I guess you're talking about Ebay and the like now, right?
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We're only talking maybe a month at most at this point so I'd just wait, you can go ahead and buy a refurbished one to save money though
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A refurbished tab makes sense as you still get the warranty and save even more.
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Why refurbushed and not just used? Is it any different from a regular device somehow?
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iPad 2? Why? So that you can repurchase your apps on both platforms? Makes little sense to me.
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Well I'm not using my first gen iPad as my main device, and I am not planning to do so with iPad 2 either - it's just for few exclusive games and Tap Tap Revenge stuff, so no need in buying anything again
I disagree about one month at best. Media hype started this trend. If pattern follows suit, it's more likely in July 2014.
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Hmm, so if I get a N10 for christmas or my b-day (both of which are in december) - I'll still have 6 months until the tablet is announced and a couple more until it arrives to Russia, which would be pretty similar to my N7 -> N7 2013 scenario
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Those that are saying it is only a month away etc are PURELY speculating, or citing those dodgey link bait troll sites.
There has been NO credible evidence that a second gen N10 is even in existence.
It could be 1 week. It could be 6 months, OR they might NEVER make another 10 incher again!
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True, about speculation and yeah, maybe it does not even exist in the first place, but why would Google ditch the 10" market? The Nexus line needs devices of every popular size there is, and Google delivered just that with N4, N7 and N10. I see no reason in leaving that particular category by not releasing a second gen N10
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Is there anything wrong about the current N10 which justifies delay? I'd say the biggest problem it has is probably battery life.
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What about it? Is 9000mAh battery not enough for a whole day of moderate usage?
Woot currently has a refurbished Nexus 10 32 GB on sale for $279. It's really tempting, but I think I'm going to hold off.
http://tech.woot.com/offers/google-nexus-10-32gb-tablet-8
I just ordered mine off woot... Great deal not to pass up even if new model coming out. Basically ended up being the same price I paid for the nexus 7 2013
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I guess you're talking about Ebay and the like now, right?
Why refurbushed and not just used? Is it any different from a regular device somehow?
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Reason: a bit more protection if its dud, refurbished at least has gone through kind of factory checking.
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What about it? Is 9000mAh battery not enough for a whole day of moderate usage?
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W'e're making different points. I agree the battery is long enough because for those situations I'm using it for many hours, I'm static right next to a mains power which I'd use anyway, those situations where power is not available, there's enough battery life.
I was making the point in the tablet universe, it is not amazingly good life, it is the weakpoint to improve in next version.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57545908-251/battery-life-battle-royale-nexus-vs-ipad/
I have a 12000mah USB larger battery which will do one full recharge of a 9000mah tablet and was like $40 and works with everything, plus a 5400mah slim battery if I was space/weight concerned.
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Reason: a bit more protection if its dud, refurbished at least has gone through kind of factory checking.
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But is it safe to get such a device?
W'e're making different points. I agree the battery is long enough because for those situations I'm using it for many hours, I'm static right next to a mains power which I'd use anyway, those situations where power is not available, there's enough battery life.
I was making the point in the tablet universe, it is not amazingly good life, it is the weakpoint to improve in next version.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57545908-251/battery-life-battle-royale-nexus-vs-ipad/
I have a 12000mah USB larger battery which will do one full recharge of a 9000mah tablet and was like $40 and works with everything, plus a 5400mah slim battery if I was space/weight concerned.
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Well, the almost 3000mAh battery capaticy difference between N10 and iPad 3/4 obviously affects how long a tablet can live, that's not to mention the ridiculous 2500x1600-whatever resolution and the Exynos chip (which, AFAIK but I may be mistaken, isn't as efficent in the battery life aspect as Snapdragon CPUs are)
agree
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I just ordered mine off woot... Great deal not to pass up even if new model coming out. Basically ended up being the same price I paid for the nexus 7 2013
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My thinking exactly, they're still in stock.
I got a few issues, one is when the N10 immediately comes out, it will be only from Google Play, and they'll hit it with both tax and shipping. If I wait a few months (typically) I can get it without either and the price drops. So the Woot offer is $314, whilst N10 successor, in reality will be in the $580 region, which is 85% higher cost.
Refurbished with 90days warranty covers against receiving a dud.
I looked at ebay, and they're selling used for at least that price.
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But is it safe to get such a device?
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I'm not understanding you. From a dealer, on a creditcard, will you get a working system? That's my concern.
If you're concerned about buying just before a successor comes out, then you must cover that in two ways:
only get it if the current specification, performance, meets your needs, so when successor comes out you don't actually have a problem which needs solving.
Take the age of the device into account when buying used. I'd say at the price Woot is asking, its fair given the date N10 came out and the % probability of a new device coming out. The Nexus 10 was announced over a year ago, I'd say chance of a new model announcement soon is high.
If you're trying to decide about waiting for new product which may come out soon, then you'll always have issues, e.g. the new product may get defects with initial batches, so even if the new device was announced today, you'd be wise to not get right anyway, I always wait for others to get it, and let defects get discovered and buy from the 2nd batch anyway so I'd not buy the next N10 for a few months anyway.
Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
Well, the almost 3000mAh battery capaticy difference between N10 and iPad 3/4 obviously affects how long a tablet can live, that's not to mention the ridiculous 2500x1600-whatever resolution and the Exynos chip (which, AFAIK but I may be mistaken, isn't as efficent in the battery life aspect as Snapdragon CPUs are)
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Anyone who spend hours and hours working on a tablet, should have the PSU with them, I don't think the battery life is so low to render it useless, a typical example of me being away from power is about 3 hours.
The PSU on tablets are small, microusb cables can be small, its not a Netbook with a bulky PSU and cord.
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I'm not understanding you. From a dealer, on a creditcard, will you get a working system? That's my concern.
If you're concerned about buying just before a successor comes out, then you must cover that in two ways:
only get it if the current specification, performance, meets your needs, so when successor comes out you don't actually have a problem which needs solving.
Take the age of the device into account when buying used. I'd say at the price Woot is asking, its fair given the date N10 came out and the % probability of a new device coming out. The Nexus 10 was announced over a year ago, I'd say chance of a new model announcement soon is high.
If you're trying to decide about waiting for new product which may come out soon, then you'll always have issues, e.g. the new product may get defects with initial batches, so even if the new device was announced today, you'd be wise to not get right anyway, I always wait for others to get it, and let defects get discovered and buy from the 2nd batch anyway so I'd not buy the next N10 for a few months anyway.
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My concern is about the "refurbished" mark - what differs a normal new device from the same but refurbished one? From the definition I read about it being returned to the manufacturer for some kind of repairs, but what about scratches, breakings on the body, any damage, etc?
And yeah, if there is a second gen N10 coming - I'm probably getting it anyway, especially if it's not Samsung which means "Hello, Snapdragon" and maybe a Full HD screen instead of current N10's resoltion (like, seriosuly - who needs such a big-a$$ resolution on a 10" tablet!? These number races are killing the industry today ffs)
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My concern is about the "refurbished" mark - what differs a normal new device from the same but refurbished one? From the definition I read about it being returned to the manufacturer for some kind of repairs, but what about scratches, breakings on the body, any damage, etc?
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So your choices:
So imagine the N10's used value is $250 selling on ebay when the N10 2 comes out and suppose to swap to N10 2 in 6 months from now.
If you buy a N10 new now they're available for about $415 delivered, you'll add small blemishes to it, so it will look the same when you sell it as a refurbished one, you'll pay more $ for it and so when you sell it, you've lost $165, so you paid $1/day to use it.
If you buy a refurbished N10 for $314, it will look the same when you sell it as the new one when you sell it, but you lost $64, so you paid $0.4/day to use it.
The key thing is what you get in your hands is fully working with no significant marks than you'd do yourself to a new unit.
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And yeah, if there is a second gen N10 coming - I'm probably getting it anyway, especially if it's not Samsung which means "Hello, Snapdragon" and maybe a Full HD screen instead of current N10's resoltion (like, seriosuly - who needs such a big-a$$ resolution on a 10" tablet!? These number races are killing the industry today ffs)
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Well you've answered your own question then, there are problems for you with the current model, issues you'd find an urgent need to swap it out, so don't buy the current N10 obviously.
I'm that guy who paid $200 for an additional 4MB of memory in 1993 on my PC, things getting better is just a fact of life, the key is to know what is not acceptable to you and hold off buying til what is your need is delivered. Apple started good-spec tablets, but I deemed their
Google is acting to drive down prices, even if N10 2 isn't out soon, they're stimulating the market so you'll get whatever you deem you need eventually.
Also you can get a year warranty for like 50 dollars from woot if you want. Believe you also get the standard 90 day warranty with just the tablet purchase
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Also you can get a year warranty for like 50 dollars from woot if you want. Believe you also get the standard 90 day warranty with just the tablet purchase
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I think 90days is enough to cover for receiving a dud, anything after is really about you accidentally damaging it and those longer warranties do not cover for accidental damage. Hence the free supplied warranty in reality is sufficient.
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Also you can get a year warranty for like 50 dollars from woot if you want. Believe you also get the standard 90 day warranty with just the tablet purchase
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Well not in my case, getting it from the HS, finding it to be broken or something, and then sending it back, and waiting again until a new one arrives... Too much time consuming, especially with how much time the deliveries usually take from the states to Russia (which can reach up to 2 weeks or even more)
I don't care if the nexus 10 2 was $1000 I would buy it the instant it is released..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-G4-battery-life-test-nothings-changed-since-the-G3_id68951
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Exactly what I posted hours ago on another thread. Hahaha.
It's cool though. This deserves it's own thread actually.
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Skip within the video to 13m:50sec and they pretty much say the same. The G4 does not beat the S6 at least at the moment of testing the pre production units. Hopefully they are still tweaking the OS to get the battery lasting longer.
https://youtu.be/62uub0cHGEM
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Does anyone know if the G3 batteries will work in the G4 or did they change them just enough to not allow compatibility?
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Does anyone know if the G3 batteries will work in the G4 or did they change them just enough to not allow compatibility?
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It can't, unfortunately.
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It can't, unfortunately.
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Dang. That's kind of lame considering they are both 3000mah.
I would understand if the new phone had a larger battery but since it doesn't it kind of seems like a move meant to make those of us that have extra G3 batteries buy even more new batts.
I'm not sure how the S6 could have better battery life, I had it for a week and it was worse than my G3. Horrible standby time. I was hoping the G4 would be better than the G3.
I also saw a post that the G3 battery has small tabs that prevent it from fitting into the G4.
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Dang. That's kind of lame considering they are both 3000mah.
I would understand if the new phone had a larger battery but since it doesn't it kind of seems like a move meant to make those of us that have extra G3 batteries buy even more new batts.
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Makes sense since they want more money, so why make it cross-gen compatible? Don't think any phone has accessories or whatnot what work for more than the current generation of devices. It is lame since they have the same size battery, but that's how it is... sadly. :/
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Makes sense since they want more money, so why make it cross-gen compatible? Don't think any phone has accessories or whatnot what work for more than the current generation of devices. It is lame since they have the same size battery, but that's how it is... sadly. :/
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iPhone accessories last for two years, most of the time.
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I'm not sure how the S6 could have better battery life, I had it for a week and it was worse than my G3. Horrible standby time. I was hoping the G4 would be better than the G3.
I also saw a post that the G3 battery has small tabs that prevent it from fitting into the G4.
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It makes sense given the source. They are not known for their independent reviews. We also don't know their methodology. Their test involved some sort of video playback until the battery died. Given the AMOLED display in the S6 where energy use is proportion to the number of pixels being used and what color (white uses significantly more energy). So if the playback involved night time scenes the S6 would last longer where as if it was bright daytime scenes the G4 would last longer. Neither one would be a far comparison. I highly doubt their battery tests involved real world use given what people have truly been getting on the S6.
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Phone Arena's findings contradict what almost everyone else who has used the G4 has said about the battery life. I'll wait until the phone is officially out and GSMArena posts their review to get a more accurate view of the G4's battery life because they have a published methodology and their battery life database allows you to set custom usage patterns. It's not perfect, but it's better than PA's black box test results that inexplicably put the S6 edge's battery life over the G2.
Droid-Life Tim-O-Tato posted a comparison, but commented that the battery life is good, better than the S6.
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We'll see if LG can improve this, but if the battery is comparable to the G3 that means it's noticeably worse than my G2 & not significantly better than even the Optimus G...
Edit: Checked the battery life of the S6 on xda & I'm seeing less than 4.5hrs of SOT for users. I wonder how much these newer phones would benefit from 1080P?
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I have no idea how the battery life on the G4 will be like, but I am not sure about phonearenas testing methods.
They have the iphone 6 plus @ 6.5 hrs and the S6 at over 7 hours.
The 6 plus has excellent battery life.. So I'm not sure how their testing works, but I dont think it always translates to real world use.
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Dang. That's kind of lame considering they are both 3000mah.
I would understand if the new phone had a larger battery but since it doesn't it kind of seems like a move meant to make those of us that have extra G3 batteries buy even more new batts.
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Even the size appears similar, the connectors are different.
Here's an article giving us hope for the G4 battery life. Be sure to read the comments on the bottom of the link as well.
http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...phablets-available-impressive-camera#comments
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My battery has always been pretty good on my G3, I dont know whether I was just extremely lucky with the battery but I almost always get 10 - 14 hrs use.
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We'll see if LG can improve this, but if the battery is comparable to the G3 that means it's noticeably worse than my G2 & not significantly better than even the Optimus G...
Edit: Checked the battery life of the S6 on xda & I'm seeing less than 4.5hrs of SOT for users. I wonder how much these newer phones would benefit from 1080P?
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I consistently get 4-4.5+ SOT and get through a day easily. WiFi always on, and both wifi calling/volte off
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Makes sense since they want more money, so why make it cross-gen compatible? Don't think any phone has accessories or whatnot what work for more than the current generation of devices. It is lame since they have the same size battery, but that's how it is... sadly. :/
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You are correct in that it makes sense for them to make them non-compatible so as to make more money, but I still find it to be a rather mean spirited thing for a company to do. I wish that these companies would strive to satisfy the consumer COMPLETELY. They would be known for being a simply and easy-to-work-with company, and their sales would be terrific. Instead, they nickle and dime. But I suppose there's not much we can do about the matter. It is what it is.
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You are correct in that it makes sense for them to make them non-compatible so as to make more money, but I still find it to be a rather mean spirited thing for a company to do. I wish that these companies would strive to satisfy the consumer COMPLETELY. They would be known for being a simply and easy-to-work-with company, and their sales would be terrific. Instead, they nickle and dime. But I suppose there's not much we can do about the matter. It is what it is.
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The only thing that seems to be constant, least in recent years, is that everyone (besides Apple, as their ports have always been different from Android and probably Windows too) uses microUSB ports. How long that'll be the case, who knows? At some point, USB Type-C may become the new standard. Don't think I've seen any phones on the market use that. Only thing I've seen uses that is the new Macbook.
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The only thing that seems to be constant, least in recent years, is that everyone (besides Apple, as their ports have always been different from Android and probably Windows too) uses microUSB ports. How long that'll be the case, who knows? At some point, USB Type-C may become the new standard. Don't think I've seen any phones on the market use that. Only thing I've seen uses that is the new Macbook.
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I hope so. I'm kind of surprised none of the new flagships have it since the Chromebook Pixel and the new Macbook have it now.
One cable to rule them all. USB-C will be it... for awhile.
So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
Welcome aboard ? I just picked mine up recently too. I owned one in the past when they came out and ditched it because of the seemingly unfixable performance issues, but now 3 years later I'm fairly happy with it.
It's running nice and smooth on Slim weekly 1.5
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So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
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Welcome aboard ? I just picked mine up recently too. I owned one in the past when they came out and ditched it because of the seemingly unfixable performance issues, but now 3 years later I'm fairly happy with it.
It's running nice and smooth on Slim weekly 1.5
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I'm still around too. I used it for 6-8 months when it came out then my son used it for about 2 years with only minor issues. Towards the end of his use we started seeing the fast battery drain issue. When I went to re-root it I found the USB port would work with ADB anymore. So after much diagnosis I decided to suck it up and spend $10 on a replacement daughter board from Ebay. Works like a charm now. Funny thing is I really wanted to root it to find the battery drain source but since swapping out the USB daughter board, rooting I haven't seen the issue anymore. It may have been a bad port all along. I did however install Flar's kernel which may also have helped?
TL/DR - Still a good tablet. My 2 cents.
I have a bunch of tablets, including a Shield K1. Just got the Nexus 9 a month ago or so. I've always wanted to own one because of its unique CPU. It is pretty fast indeed with one of the custom OSs here.
It certainly gets warm though if the CPU doesn't get its idle time. Pretty easy to get it to throttle back the clock speed due to heat there. Still, the Denver CPU was a speed demon in 2014. Pretty nice for web browsing! I'm going to guess that NVidia didn't use the Denver K1 in the Shield Tablet because of the power consumption of these big CPU cores. Not a good idea in a smaller gaming-oriented tablet. I feel it's similar to if Intel tried to put a Core M in a small tablet. Beefy CPU and GPU that aren't exactly super low power.
Picked up the nexus 9 and like some of the feel, etc pretty responsive as well. Not loving battery life however. Any recommended rom/kernel/settings for good battery life? Use it mostly for a few games but getting like 4 hours right now...
Well, being late in nexus 9 party, means you have saved some money. Nexus 9 runs much better with nougat.
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Picked up the nexus 9 and like some of the feel, etc pretty responsive as well. Not loving battery life however. Any recommended rom/kernel/settings for good battery life? Use it mostly for a few games but getting like 4 hours right now...
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Purenexus is doing me well, with the included kernel.
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Purenexus is doing me well, with the included kernel.
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Thanks for the recommendation, Are you using the 6.0 version of PureNexus or [ROM][N9 flounder][UNOFFICIAL][7.1.2_r24]★ Pure Nexus ★ Substratum ★[07/25/17]?
Thanks again!
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Thanks for the recommendation, Are you using the 6.0 version of PureNexus or [ROM][N9 flounder][UNOFFICIAL][7.1.2_r24]★ Pure Nexus ★ Substratum ★[07/25/17]?
Thanks again!
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[ROM][N9 flounder][UNOFFICIAL][7.1.2_r24]★ Pure Nexus ★ Substratum ★[07/25/17]
I mainly use it for playing movies. I watch downloaded movies from a USB stick and I get several hours of screen on time. I usually do about 3-4 hours of driving for work, and watch movies along the way (I know, horrible idea safety-wise) and I usually have 35-40% battery life left.
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So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
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Thanks for this thread. I'm late to the party too!!
I'm thinking about getting the Nexus 9. if i would have saw one for 80 bucks, I would have gotten it too with out thinking.
I'm also glad to see that many on here are still using this device and have some great input.
I was about to get one off of swappa, but looking around to find the best price. I actually need one by end of next week.
I use it for movies of cource, but taking notes and sometimes document work. So I will be also looking for the best keyboard too.
I might be getting one for about $200 CAD, used but looks to be in good condition. My other option is waiting and saving a bit for a Pixel C, but those are really hard to find and about $300 more. What sort of SOT do people get on LOS?
Mine should be delivered tomorrow will by up all night Rooting and Roming. I will compare my SOT with the iPad mini I'm getting rid of.
Yep, me too. Glad to see happy users, I have always wanted one and with the Pixel C prices being soooo much higher and the 'no root' options for the ASUS ZenPad 3S 10 I figured I'd grab a 'Like New' used model off Amazon for $200 with the 30 day option to return. But I love Nexus so much probably will just keep it no matter what (unless it has some of the 'issues').
Should arrive today
Welcome, and I am late to the party myself. Just picked up a 32gb Nexus 9 LTE refurb but I bought it to set up a hacking tablet or PWN PAD.
Just got it today and haven't rooted a device for a few years now, but it's like riding a bike haha. Brings back great memories of the first device I ever rooted which was my HTC EVO.
XDA Community is a great source of solid information.
Thanks!
Divine_Madcat said:
So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
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I love this tablet, 32 GB with LTE, way better that the ipad Mini LTE i was using. Plus I dont have to worry about apps being deprecated for my system version.
I use it mainly for content sling TV, netflix, youtube and some of my own movies.
I rooted it and i'm using the lineage OS rom and it is great.
trying to catch up on my superhero movies, I watched CA winter solder and CA civil war. on one charge with plenty of battery left.
looking forward to doing more with this tablet
does anyone have a recommendation for a keyboard case to use. I used the ipad mini to take notes at meetings and would like to do this with a good keyboard
tfw nexus 10 pleb
Just jumped in.
I missed the days of the first Nexus 7
This tablet has potential even now 3 years after release: Cuda+Vulkan have already been enabled by our devs.
After setting stock rom i have already understood performance of stock roms
Next days I will start experiments
i was thinking of trying to get a shield tablet but it looks like you cant find them anywhere but after seeing prices of the N9 on swappa, seriously thinking about picking one up. My TN7 battery only lasts like an hour and turns into a nuclear furnace when I turn it on. just rooted my moms trustee old N7 which she has kept in mint condition. I am excited about the chance to pick one of these up for about $150 just to play around with them and check out the capabilities. You can't beat the bang for the buck from what I see.
Hello everyone, i am also thinking to buy one, just curious that Nexus 9 will get oreo Rom or not. I already searched the forum but no words about oreo.
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Hello everyone, i am also thinking to buy one, just curious that Nexus 9 will get oreo Rom or not. I already searched the forum but no words about oreo.
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There are a couple of experimental Oreo roms. The only problem is hardware acceleration for video doesn't work.