Hello all Note 3 users [emoji4] I'm currently using a HTC One M7 running on CM12.1 & love it (mainly because of the stereo speakers), but I want to get a new phone because this one is getting old & boring for me... I'm debating between choosing the LG G3 & Galaxy Note 3... The biggest thing is that I don't really like screens larger than 5" but in today's standards getting a good ~5" phone, that has good developer support is getting harder & harder to do... So as I said, I'm torn between the Note 3 & G3 (have other phones selected too, with a 5" screen max, but they're kinda close to End Of Life...) . One of the reasons to get the Note 3 over G3, is that the Note 3 has great ROM support from xda, which is the biggest thing for me while choosing a phone [emoji1] (I think it has a bigger ROM support than the G3 actually, but I could be wrong). I also like the S-Pen, because it's a cool addon that helps with the big screen (but probably won't use it for more than just "replacing" my finger). I've seen that there are 2 versions of the Note 3 with a Snapdragon & Exynos processor, so I have a question to that... Is there any other big difference between them or is it the same phone with just a bit different stuff in hardware? Also, do both of them have the same model number? I live in Poland & have seen that all of them are the N9005 variant (international version I assume?). I have also heard somewhere that tripping KNOX will make you loose your cellular data & calling, so you're left with a 5,7" MP3 player... Can someone explain me that? (Just need a basic explanation, not a in depth guide). It's gonna be hard to get used to a roof tile coming from a 4,7" screen, but I think that as time passes by, I will get used to it (atleast I hope so) Thanks for your time, by reading all of this shizzle [emoji1]
It's a no brainer for me if I were to choose between the G3 and the Note 3. While I have used both of them, and the former being one of the most pathetic mobile phone I have ever used, the latter is one of the best I have ever used, if not the best.
Snapdragon variants are N9005, that's the International versions. Exynos variants are N900X I think, at least in India. So yes, model no. will absolutely be different. Snapdragon has way more XDA support, so I will suggest that one 100 out of 100 times. Exynos is a completely different chipset by the way, said to be faster than Snapdragon, but one can hardly notice those fastness anyway.
As soon as you root the phone KNOX will be tripped, period, and there is no way to revert to official status once its tripped. But I think there are few ways where you can keep KNOX at 0x0 and still root, but as I never cared about KNOX I never searched.
At the end of the day, ask yourself, whether you want to get a phone of 2013 in 2016 or not, I don't think investing behind it is a wise idea. I will suggest you to go for Note 4, which's price is dropping since Note 5 launch and will be a significant upgrade from your M7 and miles better than Note 3 in terms of camera and display.
Rest your choice.
Just for the sake of clarity: tripping Knox DOES NOT affect usability of the phone except for secure mode and if you're planning to root, that secure mode would be moot point anyway. Also you may get hard time getting warranty repairs with tripped Knox, but the phone may be out of production and possibly out of warranty already. Also some programs check for root and refuse to work if present, but there are ways to root without tripping Knox and hide root as well. You need to find a model that will match frequencies used in Poland, but I can't help you with that. As far as the phone itself, I love it and I wouldn't exchange for anything else. Note 4 is a little upgrade over Note3, but nothing spectacular IMO and newest Note5 pretty much sucks without SD card and non replaceable battery.
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I see... So KNOX is just a security feature that I don't have to care about, because gonna root the phone anyways [emoji1] (But eh, wouldn't even care about when I had a warranty)
Also, my One M7 is also a 2013 phone in 2016 so I don't really care about that until the phone looses developer support from xda [emoji1]
I don't really take photos with my phone & even if I do, they're like 1 or 2 per month or less... So yeah, camera isn't a big deal for me.
As for the Note 4, I don't really feel like a 2k screen on a phone is worth it anyways... Would rather stick to 1080p
Also, I get "new" phones by selling the one I had so it goes like: I sell one, I get one [emoji4] That's how I got my HTC One M7 coming from a Samsung Galaxy S [emoji1]
If you care about AOSP roms, don't ever go for Exynos phone - half of stuff won't be working ( http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-exynos-and-aosp-explained-a-story-of-betrayal/ ).
I also live in Poland and I use the N9005 variant, everything is working perfectly fine on CM12.1. I tripped my knox but it makes no difference.
On the other hand I really think that LG G3 has a better xda support and I think that it will have it for a longer time than a note 3, it just a newer and more popular device. However it lacks AMOLED screen which for me is a huge advantage.
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I want to discuss 2 things
1. Who wants to upgrade galaxy from S4 to note 3 and why?
2. If someone has already did this, what is perdonal experience? Whats improvement and is this upgrading really proved a good decision?
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oxidil said:
I want to discuss 2 things
1. Who wants to upgrade galaxy from S4 to note 3 and why?
2. If someone has already did this, what is perdonal experience? Whats improvement and is this upgrading really proved a good decision?
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I'd never do that, because it's likely that the Note 3 will ship with Knox bootloader and no way to get rid of it. If all you plan to do is use the device as is, out of the box, then it's probably not an issue, but if that's the case, why are you here?
the note series are nice but theyre too big for me
Yes big size is also a concern for me too.
Knox is not an issue for me as I also not rooted s4 yet. Samsung has also begun ota updates of s4 which includes knox (discussed in many threads on xda)
Despite of changing model, any other feature of note 3 which one of us should think to upgrade s4 to note 3?
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I rather upgrade to a Nexus 5 than a Note 3. I am not a fan of touchwiz and I don't need a s-pen for my phone. The size of Note 3 is too huge for me.
i feel note series is are very big my hands pained while talking on note 2.Not going for note again
I have an S4 now, but imo, the Note 2 was the best android device I've ever had (and I consider it the best device right now). The S4 kind of disappointed me, so I'll be trying the Z1 when it's available where I live.
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I bought a Note 3 yesterday, gotta wait for delivery but I'm not gonna just throw away a good phone either. Knox is a worry but then the S4 is gonna get these new bootloaders sooner or later, especially if you ewant to update the firmware to the latest...
Samsung need to listen to these forums as a large amount of their custom is generated by us. Word of mouth is a powerful selling tool and to be honest I'm starting to think it might not be a good idea to upsell this brand if they go the way of Apple...
There have been a lot of put out people in the UK where the Note 3 seems to come with a region lock (even after they activate with regional sim it won't accept another country sim card), now sorted by Chainfire but requiring root thus giving you warranty void from Knox...
Thankfully I live in Australia. No region lock but that's a trade off with expense....
Here is another rumour. Galaxy S 5 may be launched in January 2014
Check this
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/10/...+UnwiredView+(Unwired+View)#readsoruce_bottom
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I will probably not go with Note3 or S5. Because of many things I am hearing in last couple of months.
Samsung devices are great and I love my S4 but I could not use my phone in fear that Samsung will not respect warranty. Samsung is finding many different/new ways to void our warranty in flagship phones.
I personally do not care much for warranty for damages that I am responsible for. But if there is a manufacturing defect then I expect them to offer warranty regardless of rooted phone or not.
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I bought a Note 3 yesterday, gotta wait for delivery but I'm not gonna just throw away a good phone either. Knox is a worry but then the S4 is gonna get these new bootloaders sooner or later, especially if you ewant to update the firmware to the latest...
Samsung need to listen to these forums as a large amount of their custom is generated by us. Word of mouth is a powerful selling tool and to be honest I'm starting to think it might not be a good idea to upsell this brand if they go the way of Apple...
There have been a lot of put out people in the UK where the Note 3 seems to come with a region lock (even after they activate with regional sim it won't accept another country sim card), now sorted by Chainfire but requiring root thus giving you warranty void from Knox...
Thankfully I live in Australia. No region lock but that's a trade off with expense....
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You are wrong, you have regional lock. My s4 at the beginning works fine with my irish sim card but after ugraded by OTA stopped working. I asked Samsung what is going on and I have been told that Samsung gives warranty only for Australia and Oceania Region warranty. It is my last Samsung mobile.
Knox is past. See this link
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/14...-released-doesnt-affect-knox-security-status/
But again for N9005. No support for octa core
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I will probably not go with Note3 or S5. Because of many things I am hearing in last couple of months.
Samsung devices are great and I love my S4 but I could not use my phone in fear that Samsung will not respect warranty. Samsung is finding many different/new ways to void our warranty in flagship phones.
I personally do not care much for warranty for damages that I am responsible for. But if there is a manufacturing defect then I expect them to offer warranty regardless of rooted phone or not.
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Even I, myself, of considering on switching to HTC because of the said reason you have stated.
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Even I, myself, of considering on switching to HTC because of the said reason you have stated.
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You might want to think twice about HTC, their customer service and quality of the phone is not up to standard.
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You might want to think twice about HTC, their customer service and quality of the phone is not up to standard.
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Not specifically HTC but choose any other manufacturer. They are doing better job than Samsung to keep their customers. Why does it has to be a company on top to start acting like a**hole and treat their customers like sh*t.
For a normal user like me, I don't understand what is the real benefit of having a flash counter in our phones or efuse or region lock. But these are pretty good excuses for Samsung to void our warranties. After going through faulty/broken AMOLED screen topic, I am afraid to put my S4 in jeans pocket. Usually I keep my phones in front jeans pocket (all previous phones) but now if I mistakenly put my S4 in pocket out of force of habit, I am like oh sh*t, I put phone in pocket again.
They should invest the time and money on quality control and better products, then such silly tricks.
Although I am hearing good things about Note 3 and S5, I am strongly considering to buy Nexus 5, Oppo or some other Chinese manufacturer.
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Not specifically HTC but choose any other manufacturer. They are doing better job than Samsung to keep their customers. Why does it has to be a company on top to start acting like a**hole and treat their customers like ****.
For a normal user like me, I don't understand what is the real benefit of having a flash counter in our phones or efuse or region lock. But these are pretty good excuses for Samsung to void our warranties. After going through faulty/broken AMOLED screen, I am afraid to put my S4 in jeans pocket. Usually I keep my phones in front jeans pocket (all previous phones) but now if I mistakenly put my S4 in pocket out of force of habit, I am like oh ****, I put phone in pocket again.
They should invest the time and money on quality control and better products, then such silly tricks.
Although I am hearing good things about Note 3 and S5, I am strongly considering to buy Nexus 5, Oppo or some other Chinese manufacturer.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not happy with Samsung built quality as well, it is really not acceptable to use cheap plastic on a "flagship" phone. The glass seems too fragile and I am getting paranoid as well when the phone is in my pocket. Yeah, about the efuse? Looks like they are copying Motorola now.
Thanks guys for your feed back.
I am now on note 3
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i am not considering this as upgrade......it is heavier (40g) device with the same screen resolution streched from 5" to 5.7"...........RAM memory is 3GB vs 2GB but for me that's not enough.................:laugh:
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i am not considering this as upgrade......it is heavier (40g) device with the same screen resolution streched from 5" to 5.7"...........RAM memory is 3GB vs 2GB but for me that's not enough.................:laugh:
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Once you use it, you ll feel it's not so heavy.
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You might want to think twice about HTC, their customer service and quality of the phone is not up to standard.
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You are mistaken about HTC. I have had my T-MOB HTC ONE-S since it came out over a year ago with no problems. It also runs the UI just as fast as the S4. Only way to notice a difference between YOUR 4S and my phone is in screen res and size, if you are a hardcore gamer then the ram, Metal vs. plastic, 8mp better camer UI vs 13mp. Beats audio vs. no audio enhancement. Sd card slot or no slot. Every thing is going cloud bassed so sd cards dont really mean nothing any more. So really the difference is minimal. Now since I have modded my phone its on par with your S4. I have a S4 its UI is built for a blind grandma I swear if you dont put a rom in it and touchwiz is flat out ugly an damn near useless. I let my mom use my S4. My Htc one S is what I carry Its the ideal size and thinness. Its all about the UI and size for most. Id pick a Sony Xperia z over any Samsung but I already got the stupid S4 Now for customer service call Dell, Motorola or Sprint then you will think different about Htc service. lol :victory:
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rl421403 said:
Not specifically HTC but choose any other manufacturer. They are doing better job than Samsung to keep their customers. Why does it has to be a company on top to start acting like a**hole and treat their customers like sh*t.
For a normal user like me, I don't understand what is the real benefit of having a flash counter in our phones or efuse or region lock. But these are pretty good excuses for Samsung to void our warranties. After going through faulty/broken AMOLED screen topic, I am afraid to put my S4 in jeans pocket. Usually I keep my phones in front jeans pocket (all previous phones) but now if I mistakenly put my S4 in pocket out of force of habit, I am like oh sh*t, I put phone in pocket again.
They should invest the time and money on quality control and better products, then such silly tricks.
Although I am hearing good things about Note 3 and S5, I am strongly considering to buy Nexus 5, Oppo or some other Chinese manufacturer.
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Nicely Worded
Even though, there is no root for the device yet.. Does anyone regret purchasing their note 4?
If we never get root I might....
I've never rooted an android so I really don't know what it's capable of. But I'm very happy with my Note 4
None here!
Love the screen and fast charging - ive got unlimited and hotspot though and I dont pay for the phone or plan, so I'm kind of a shoe-in for being perfectly happy.
I'm neutral. My note 3 was worth $360 when I sold it. I paid full retail, minus $7360, minus the incoming $200 rebate, thus I'm out $200 after taxes and what not. However, I could sell this Note 4 tomorrow for $600, thus I'm holding $400, a $40 increase. So with my math, the phone was free.
Due to that, I don't regret it yet, but I sure do miss root.
if I don't get root, I'll regret and either sell this to downgrade to an s5, or downgrade to an international. both downgrades will cost me a lot out of pocket..
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if I don't get root, I'll regret and either sell this to downgrade to an s5, or downgrade to an international. both downgrades will cost me a lot out of pocket..
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Why not just get the dev version?
I'm starting to regret my note 4 purchase, in fact I'm taking it back Friday, probably gonna go with the LG g3 that's what I was gonna get but was talked out of it. I like the note 4 but why all of this Knox crap. To much security for me, screw you verizon! Smart phones are fun but there actually a tool so be carefull.
A bit, only because of not having root. Having come from a T-Mobile note 2, Really annoyed at how locked down Verizon is.
I just switched from tmobile to Verizon, that was a good move cause verizon coverage and reliability is so much better. When I switched I was planning to buy the note 3 cause it was rootable but no one had it in Stock so I bought the note 4. No regrets at all but I will most likely sell the retail version to get the developer edition if root is not achieved soon.
Only a couple things that bother me because of lack of root, not being able to use Titanium and not being able to replace the God awful current version of Google Maps with version 6. The latter was remedied with the discovery of Waze so for now I am good on that front.
Other than that, nope, I LOVE the Note 4 and am good to go for a while.
I have not even used mine much yet. I got it on launch day, but with no root it's just collecting dust right now.
I'm still on my Note 3 with Jasmine rom most of the time. I'm starting to seriously think of selling off my Note 4 and getting the dev edition.
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I'm starting to regret my note 4 purchase, in fact I'm taking it back Friday, probably gonna go with the LG g3 that's what I was gonna get but was talked out of it. I like the note 4 but why all of this Knox crap. To much security for me, screw you verizon! Smart phones are fun but there actually a tool so be carefull.
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I want the lg g3 also but I hear the battery won't get a full day idk if I would like that at all.
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I want the lg g3 also but I hear the battery won't get a full day idk if I would like that at all.
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Coming from a previous g3 owner don't do it, g3 is a good phone but I'm telling you you'll miss your note.
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Coming from a previous g3 owner don't do it, g3 is a good phone but I'm telling you you'll miss your note.
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I don't have the note yet but am considering it. Well I have the note 2 and am looking for something that will make me not miss my rooted note 2.
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I don't have the note yet but am considering it. Well I have the note 2 and am looking for something that will make me not miss my rooted note 2.
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Well if you're really into custom roms which the note 4 obviously doesn't have then you may have a problem. But i had the g3.. The screen just wasn't up to par, extremely poor brightness (try using it in a well lit room or worst outside) the lag caused by the thermal throttling to keep the display from overheating the phone, it may sound like I'm bashing the g3 I'm not but it's just note good as the note in my opinion. It does have root though so Hey that might be the better choice for you.
Are there any even dev units available??
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Are there any even dev units available??
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No and they way they limit them I doubt there will be any more when the note 3 dev got back ordered like the note 4 one is now it never came back
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I have not even used mine much yet. I got it on launch day, but with no root it's just collecting dust right now.
I'm still on my Note 3 with Jasmine rom most of the time. I'm starting to seriously think of selling off my Note 4 and getting the dev edition.
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Aren't you afraid that you'll open it and it will end up being defective? After 14 days, you're stuck with it. I already had to return one defective phone.
By still having unlimited data makes me want root really badly, but I am sure it will be here sooner or later. One thing I do have a thing about is the home button. Call me OCD, but man... it feels like I am double clicking all the time when I am pressing it. Anyone else having the same problem?
Well, it's coming up on that time to think about our next phone. It seems that Samsung and Verizon is hell bent to keep us from flashing our phones. I've been looking around here and it seems that most of the developers have gone to Nexus and LG devices. From what I've seen so far I might go to the LG G4+ I recently heard rumor about.
What phones do you think is going to be popular among developers?
For sure, it isn't going to be the note 5, we all know why. The note 4 will still be with developers I'm guessing. The lg g4+ (lg g4 pro) is probably being announced at Berlin IFA and will be supported, look at the lg g4 devs.
The new nexus device will obviously be a powerhouse for a lot of people looking for an unlocked bootloader and stock vanilla android .
Anyways more devices might have support like the moto x series and sony's Xperia lines are good devices too compared to Samsung's insane pricing on their devices.
Definitely the new Nexus devices will be on the top of that list. I'm also looking @, for my use come Feb '16, a GSM G4 as well as the M9.
I'm interested in seeing what others have to say. This is what I want - removable battery, SD card slot, IR blaster, easy root and unlocked bootloader.
This is what I need - all of the above (or, if not a replaceable battery, then a battery case that allows on the fly recharging...)
I'm looking forward to Christmas and seeing what comes of it - that's the season (well, just prior to it) for all the new goodies...
What are others looking @?
I know I'm done with Samsung (iron fisted, whore mongers... No offense!) - they and Verizon have made it apparent who they believe owns my phone. Top it off with the lobotomized phones they now offer and they've gone from "smart" phone to "not-so-smart" phone...
I'm happy with my Note3 on Jasmine, but I don't see it getting an upgrade to Marshmallow. The note 5 is out of the question, I'd like a Note4(but the Verizon retail version doesn't appear to be rootable). I've got time, the Nexus on the Verizon site seems to be a bit light in the hardware side, the LG looks nice. Of course, there's always leaving Verizon, if I can convince the wife.
I just made the jump to TMO. I was afraid they'd not have the network I need here in Georgia, but they're comparable thus far to Big Red, with a greatly reduced cost structure and a heap more data for the $$$.
I was able to set my Note 3 (CDMA) up to work on TMO's GSM network and have awesome data speeds. It's a game changer - if I don't like them, I can move to AT&T and, when the time comes, root whatever I buy outright without the runaround that Verizon offers.
I thought about the Note 4 on TMO - it's an easy root but it's just not that much of an upgrade over the 3 and certainly not a $500+ upgrade. So, I'll stay put with the N3 and move to something else when this old daily driver don't drive no more... (That'll likely be Android "Zebra cake....")
For those of you who don't follow the latest news on Galaxy S and Note, all Snapdragon 820 variants of Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge are bootloader-locked. Yes, you read this correctly. AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, it no longer matters which US carrier you have. All SD820 variants are locked.
This is officially the end of the line, folks. No dev community can survive when every device is locked, so what tiny community existed, and by that I mean only hsbadr who has singlehandedly supported our Verizon N4DEs for years now, will evaporate. If you like phones you can root and flash custom ROMs on, you can no longer buy Samsung Galaxy S and Note in USA.
Canadians have a wild card here, they are getting the Exynos 8890 variant but it doesn't support any US voice bands, GSM or CDMA. Unless it's possible to hack the Canadian S7 variant to make it work in US at least on the GSM carriers AT&T and T-Mobile, all Americans are now officially f**ked.
It was nice owning Galaxy Notes all these years. I started with a Note II and I currently have my Note 4 DE, but this is the end of the line. My next phone, regardless of which carrier I'm on, cannot be a Galaxy Note. I'll miss my S-Pen ;_;
I wonder if other manufacturers will follow Samsung's lead. They probably want to do it, but haven't. I wonder if, eventually, our only choice for phones that aren't locked down will be phones like the Nexus.
Although there's no way to really and truly know, I wonder how many people will even care. Of all the people that I've talked to since I started my rooting adventures with an HTC Evo, there has only been a small handful that even know what rooting was and only one other person who actually had a rooted phone. I'd imagine that most people won't care at all.
My Note 4 Dev Edition and Note 2 will be my rooted phones and the Note 6 will be my locked down phone. I guess I'll swap SIMs if I need a rooted phone with cellular data.
Sold my Note 4 last week. Used upgrade to get Note 5, then sold it. Got 6P today, rooted within minutes.
Adios Samsung.
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For those of you who don't follow the latest news on Galaxy S and Note, all Snapdragon 820 variants of Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge are bootloader-locked. Yes, you read this correctly. AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, it no longer matters which US carrier you have. All SD820 variants are locked.
This is officially the end of the line, folks. No dev community can survive when every device is locked, so what tiny community existed, and by that I mean only hsbadr who has singlehandedly supported our Verizon N4DEs for years now, will evaporate. If you like phones you can root and flash custom ROMs on, you can no longer buy Samsung Galaxy S and Note in USA.
Canadians have a wild card here, they are getting the Exynos 8890 variant but it doesn't support any US voice bands, GSM or CDMA. Unless it's possible to hack the Canadian S7 variant to make it work in US at least on the GSM carriers AT&T and T-Mobile, all Americans are now officially f**ked.
It was nice owning Galaxy Notes all these years. I started with a Note II and I currently have my Note 4 DE, but this is the end of the line. My next phone, regardless of which carrier I'm on, cannot be a Galaxy Note. I'll miss my S-Pen ;_;
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T-Mobile has asked Samsung to work with their engineers to Unlock them. If there is enough outrage and sales slump, they might reverse this or offer and option to unlock like HTC does.
Can someone explain to me the purpose of carriers and manufacturers locking devices down like that? This sort of thing has been going on for a long long time and I've never seen the harm behind it. What can a rooted device do that causes them to want to lock it down again?
To use Verizon as an example. Verizon wants to charge you extra for the ability to tether. Granted there are apps to get around this but with the built-in tethering function, it automatically checks to make sure you are Subscribed to that feature. I'm sure there are more reasons than that.
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Can someone explain to me the purpose of carriers and manufacturers locking devices down like that? This sort of thing has been going on for a long long time and I've never seen the harm behind it. What can a rooted device do that causes them to want to lock it down again?
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There is a number of reasons but one major reason is the manufacturer's desire to gain corporate accounts. To do so requires, for most corporate networks, a phone that cannot be rooted thus allowing the installation of apps that cannot be controlled or monitored by corporate IT security personnel. That is why many corporate networks will allow your iphone on their network but not an Android phone. It's all about sales.
Follow the money.
As stated above corporate sales are a big reason. Also the potential the have Android/Samsung/Google or whatever payment applications comprised is likely another large reason. Then you have Ad blocking. Removing those from ones phone kills a large revenue stream for carriers and Google alike. Not just for the individual ads but also the data they consume from your allotment.
The Note 4 is my first Samsung, and probably my last. I did enjoy having the pen, and when my Edge is up next year, I'm hopeful I'll have the cabbage to purchase a Nexus. I like clean and simple things, Samsung has a lot of nice features, but most of them just get in my way.
All that being said I have not missed not being able to root, because mostly my reasons for doing doing so were for battery life on HTCs. My last phone was a Droid MAXX, which had amazing battery (might have been my favorite phone ever). The Note 4 has been good on battery, especially since 5.1.1 (and a factory reset)
My $.02.
unfortunately, i've stopped minding 100% about root. i only mind like 60% now. i mean, every phone i've ever had was rooted. eris, incredible, rezound, dna, s3, s4, g2, moto x pure edition.....and then my poor note 4, never rooted. but honestly, i had the moto x pure, and although it was nice having a new rooted phone, i ended up selling it because i just liked my unrooted note 4 better. note 4, next to my g2, was one of the best phones i've ever had. and now, i decided since i don't mind root as much, but i enjoy samsung camera/screen quality, i bought the s7, and i really like it. sure there's no root, but if i absolutely need root, my galaxy tab s 8.4 is rooted, my nexus 7 is rooted, and my g2 is rooted. if i need wireless hotspot, i'll just pop my sim into my g2. keeping my note 4, though, definitely..and might even buy the note 6 when it comes out, that's how nice this s7 is.
there are ways to unlock bootloaders and root any smart phone but nobody wants to share. all it is ..is code ....if theres a way to write the code then theres a way to unlock code. cant stop root. there will always be away. think about it. a smart phone works like a pc. someone out there has a way but doesnt share
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unfortunately, i've stopped minding 100% about root. i only mind like 60% now. i mean, every phone i've ever had was rooted. eris, incredible, rezound, dna, s3, s4, g2, moto x pure edition.....and then my poor note 4, never rooted. but honestly, i had the moto x pure, and although it was nice having a new rooted phone, i ended up selling it because i just liked my unrooted note 4 better. note 4, next to my g2, was one of the best phones i've ever had. and now, i decided since i don't mind root as much, but i enjoy samsung camera/screen quality, i bought the s7, and i really like it. sure there's no root, but if i absolutely need root, my galaxy tab s 8.4 is rooted, my nexus 7 is rooted, and my g2 is rooted. if i need wireless hotspot, i'll just pop my sim into my g2. keeping my note 4, though, definitely..and might even buy the note 6 when it comes out, that's how nice this s7 is.
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You could try FoxFi on your S7. It's only a little over $7 for the full app, and in my opinion is well worth the price. Like you, I still have a rooted phone, my S4 which I was using prior to my Note 4, and used it for the hot spot before I made the jump to FoxFi. For me, the convenience of just being able to use one phone for everything, especially the hot spot since it's my only Internet connection at home, is worth the small amount charged by the developer, and possible a lot better for the batteries on both phones since they use the most energy when powering on from a cold boot. I think that's how I wound up going through a power supply for my desktop in roughly two years, too many reboots.
so foxfi works perfectly on non rooted phones and completely bypasses wireless Hotspot? unlimited plan i pay 50 a month for here, so i should be able to tether for free from Verizon but they're pieces of shat so clearly we can't.
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You could try FoxFi on your S7. It's only a little over $7 for the full app, and in my opinion is well worth the price. Like you, I still have a rooted phone, my S4 which I was using prior to my Note 4, and used it for the hot spot before I made the jump to FoxFi. For me, the convenience of just being able to use one phone for everything, especially the hot spot since it's my only Internet connection at home, is worth the small amount charged by the developer, and possible a lot better for the batteries on both phones since they use the most energy when powering on from a cold boot. I think that's how I wound up going through a power supply for my desktop in roughly two years, too many reboots.
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I just switched to Sprint, (from my Verizon Note 4), Got a Note 5 and rooted it immediately.
Sprint will pay off my $360 Verizon contract balance, and I also will get a $225 cash gift card from COSTCO wireless for switching.
My bill is only $10 higher, and I have unlimited talk and text, which I didn't have with Verizon
http://www.xda-developers.com/opini...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers) a good explanation why things go this way... I belive the only left possibility of personalizing or devices will be thorough mods or hacks each time more complicate
It's just as well. Samsung has gone straight downhill. Let's review:
No new features made their way to the Note 4.
Updates took an extremely long time, and they even updated older phones first.
Locked down tight.
Lag. Always lag. All one need do is go to application manager and try to scroll down. (Even my old Droid 2 Global running Gingerbread does this smoothly!) This is but one example of many.
Also, has anyone else noticed how Samsung puts out almost the same exact phone every year?
Anyway, I was done with Samsung before this news. The Note 4 is largely a disaster. The only question now is what to ditch it for. I like the specs of the LG G5, but the software looks awful. So I'm waiting to see what HTC is doing with the 10. If that doesn't pan out, I guess I'll wait for the Nexus.
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Just wanted to know if anyone has sold an S7/edge with knox tripped. I'm in the UK and considering getting an S7 Edge. I just want to know if I will lose resale value next year when I sell the device ( I always sell devices after a year and move on to the latest).
Depends on you!
If u r honest and clearly state no warranty while selling it, it probably will go for little less compared to devices with warranty.
If u r a a hole and don't mention it, it can go either way.
1. the buyer never gets in a situation where he has to claim warranty. and u r fine.
2. something happens to the device, he goes to Samsung and they refuse to repair it because of the tripped knox counter. He goes mad and comes to ur flat beats the **** out of u and rapes ur girlfriend.
hope this answers ur question.
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Just wanted to know if anyone has sold an S7/edge with knox tripped. I'm in the UK and considering getting an S7 Edge. I just want to know if I will lose resale value next year when I sell the device ( I always sell devices after a year and move on to the latest).
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I have sold many phones with Knox tripped - never been an issue - no one ever even asked. I sold - Note 2, Note 3, Note 4, Note 5, S4, S5, S6 - never had an issue and got a very reasonable price for the phones when I sold them.
You won't get retail for a used phone but if the phone is in good condition - you shouldn't have trouble selling it. There are a lot of TMOBILE Users who are frustrated because the G935T has a locked bootloader - and many others looking to buy a great phone at less than retail price - you shouldn't have any issues\ as long as you are realistic about the price you sell it for.
I should add that I don't think KNOX was there until the S4 - but all of my phones were rooted when I sold them - so technically they broke warrenty - and I still didn't have an issue selling them - and I was very upfront about them being rooted.
chieco said:
Depends on you!
If u r honest and clearly state no warranty while selling it, it probably will go for little less compared to devices with warranty.
If u r a a hole and don't mention it, it can go either way.
1. the buyer never gets in a situation where he has to claim warranty. and u r fine.
2. something happens to the device, he goes to Samsung and they refuse to repair it because of the tripped knox counter. He goes mad and comes to ur flat beats the **** out of u and rapes ur girlfriend.
hope this answers ur question.
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I have sold many phones with Knox tripped - never been an issue - no one ever even asked. I sold - Note 2, Note 3, Note 4, Note 5, S4, S5, S6 - never had an issue and got a very reasonable price for the phones when I sold them.
You won't get retail for a used phone but if the phone is in good condition - you shouldn't have trouble selling it. There are a lot of TMOBILE Users who are frustrated because the G935T has a locked bootloader - and many others looking to buy a great phone at less than retail price - you shouldn't have any issues\ as long as you are realistic about the price you sell it for.
I should add that I don't think KNOX was there until the S4 - but all of my phones were rooted when I sold them - so technically they broke warrenty - and I still didn't have an issue selling them - and I was very upfront about them being rooted.
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Lol I spoke to Samsung UK and they said if the device has a hardware defect they'll fix the phone even if Knox has been tripped. Just cannot return the phone rooted and must be within its 2 year warranty period. Yeah I was not expecting to sell the phone at retail cost after a year. Just wanted to know if resell value went down even more i.e. Used S7 after a year = £300. Used S7 after a year with Knox tripped = £230.
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Lol I spoke to Samsung UK and they said if the device has a hardware defect they'll fix the phone even if Knox has been tripped. Just cannot return the phone rooted and must be within its 2 year warranty period.
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I wonder if this applies to Germany as well I mean if this would be a official statement and they follow through there would be no more reason not to root except Samsung Pay which will never make it's way here anyway.
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I wonder if this applies to Germany as well I mean if this would be a official statement and they follow through there would be no more reason not to root except Samsung Pay which will never make it's way here anyway.
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Best to talk to Samsung directly yourself, whether it be on the phone or Live Chat. With Live Chat at least, you can get a transcript (I had it sent to my email address). Still not sure if I am even going to get the Edge, but knowing I can at least root, without voiding the warranty helps.
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Still not sure if I am even going to get the Edge
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What r u rocking right now? I came from a note 5 to the s7 edge and I'm in love.
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What r u rocking right now? I came from a note 5 to the s7 edge and I'm in love.
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OnePlus One and an iPhone 6 I hardly touch (Not an iOS fan but it was free). It is either the Edge or the HTC 10.
I don't like touchwiz really or the "jank and stutter" associated with it. I don't like that the HTC 10 storage is slow. I don't like how the edge oversharpens photos. I don't like how the HTC 10 photos are too soft and overexposed. I don't like that rooting the edge will remove a feature forever. I like the HTC 10 because the bootloader is unlockable from the get go. I am worried about the edge headphone port performance compared to the HTC 10 and it's 1W headphone amp. I love AMOLED, not the biggest LCD fan. I can get both for roughly the same price. I love the edge's trend of having great battery life.I hate Samsung's update policy for new android versions. HTC's has been much better. I am not sure if losing Samsung Pay and Knox tripped will kill resale value. HTC 10 won't lose resale value whether or not I root it. Bootloader can be relocked in the UK.
So yeah, this is my problem lol. There are pro's and cons to each and I have no idea who to give my money to.
You can sell but .u ll have to give it at a lower price
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OnePlus One and an iPhone 6 I hardly touch (Not an iOS fan but it was free). It is either the Edge or the HTC 10.
I don't like touchwiz really or the "jank and stutter" associated with it. I don't like that the HTC 10 storage is slow. I don't like how the edge oversharpens photos. I don't like how the HTC 10 photos are too soft and overexposed. I don't like that rooting the edge will remove a feature forever. I like the HTC 10 because the bootloader is unlockable from the get go. I am worried about the edge headphone port performance compared to the HTC 10 and it's 1W headphone amp. I love AMOLED, not the biggest LCD fan. I can get both for roughly the same price. I love the edge's trend of having great battery life.I hate Samsung's update policy for new android versions. HTC's has been much better. I am not sure if losing Samsung Pay and Knox tripped will kill resale value. HTC 10 won't lose resale value whether or not I root it. Bootloader can be relocked in the UK.
So yeah, this is my problem lol. There are pro's and cons to each and I have no idea who to give my money to.
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Mate go for the S7 edge! there is honestly no reason to get the ****ty HTC 10.
One of the most important things on a Smartphone is the screen because that's what ur eyes see and u interact all day! And the Screen on the S7 edge is the Best Screen by far on any device. That's a fact and there is simply no denying it. and if someone says "uhhh the colors are to vibrant" I'm gonna punch him. there r 3 different profiles and one adaptive mode. I hate that people startet this bull bull and for years it's stuck in people heads and everytime someone will mention it ugh.....
Design is the best. The edge version looks like something from the future. I owned a S6 edge and now the s7 edge and I'm still not over the fact how beautiful it is.
Water and Dust Proof.
touchwiz. u know that touchwiz is just a simple launcher apk? u can delete it. No matter which device, I would always use nova. So thats it! you got rid of. other samsung app like phone, massages. setting, clock ,calculator and so on do their job very good.
great battery life. which should be very important to anyone.
headphone out quality "issue". I'm mean these people don't know what they r talking about. most of them stream their music or even download it from youtube!!! I wouldn't take those claims serious honestly. Most of them don't know anything about sound and use those bundle in headphones and think loudness and bass equals quality. If you take sound seriously and own a pair of good over 1.000€ headphones you shouldn't use ur smartphone anyway. For everyone else I would say the sound quality is good.
update policy. If u root and getting frequent updates r important to u you should learn how to update the base firmware manually. samsung releases every month updates just not for ur region. Android N who knows when it comes but usually they don't bring thinks with them that u can't live without. Samsung is also getting quicker with those.
Also the community and ports! the note 3 runs a S7 edge port! so you can expect running S9 or S10 software on S7 which should also be considered imo.
Samsung Pay and Knox. Yeah u live in the uk and it's available or going to be.... idk, resale value probably will be effected and u won't be able to use samsung pay... but atleast u have the option. HTC doesn't offer mobile payments anyway so not a big difference there.
Best camera. very very fast to launch to focus. sharp images look goooooooood.
If u end u buying one get the S7 edge.