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Help me! Should I sell S6 and get Nexus 6P

Last few years I had Nexus 4, and Nexus 5, absolutely loved them.. This year I switched from Nexus 5 to galaxy S6 and I love it too except that software is pretty ****e..
Touchwiz is slow and laggy, memory managment is sh*t, 0 dev support, 0 aosp roms, slow updates...
On the other hand, nexus is completely different story, pure stock android, fast and fluid, 0 memory issues, amazing dev support, fast updates..
But the thing thats holding me atm is that i will kinda downgrade cpu from exynos beast CPU to snapdragon 810.. also display is gorgeous on s6 and camera is amazing..
Help me :/ what should I do

I am selling my S6 once my pre order arrives in November.
While I do like the camera, battery is so so, root is out the door with the latest versions of Android, TW absolutely sucks and I can't stand the memory management.

MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
I am selling my S6 once my pre order arrives in November.
While I do like the camera, battery is so so, root is out the door with the latest versions of Android, TW absolutely sucks and I can't stand the memory management.
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Yeah I'm gonna sell S6 probably..
Too bad i live in croatia and i cant preorder it :/
I have to buy it from amazon cuz google store is not available in my country

Sold my s6 edge and preordered the nexus 6p..using my moto e backup device until the beast arrives in November... You get far better speakers, far better battery life, far better, latest pure Android os on the 6p.. I know for sure that I won't miss the camera and screen of the s6 edge, as it won't be day and night difference.
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Isus <3 said:
Last few years I had Nexus 4, and Nexus 5, absolutely loved them.. This year I switched from Nexus 5 to galaxy S6 and I love it too except that software is pretty ****e..
Touchwiz is slow and laggy, memory managment is sh*t, 0 dev support, 0 aosp roms, slow updates...
On the other hand, nexus is completely different story, pure stock android, fast and fluid, 0 memory issues, amazing dev support, fast updates..
But the thing thats holding me atm is that i will kinda downgrade cpu from exynos beast CPU to snapdragon 810.. also display is gorgeous on s6 and camera is amazing..
Help me :/ what should I do
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"But the thing thats holding me atm is that i will kinda downgrade cpu from exynos beast CPU to snapdragon 810.. also display is gorgeous on s6 and camera is amazing.."
I really think you answered your own question...It's nice that N6P comes with Android M...So it would be the "first" to have the official M build. But in the grand scheme of things, the N6P are just lacking in too many features and the SD810 chipset is very questionable.
I'd suggest letting others be the guinea pigs, wait for some reviews, then make a much more inform decision.

Gungrave223 said:
"But the thing thats holding me atm is that i will kinda downgrade cpu from exynos beast CPU to snapdragon 810.. also display is gorgeous on s6 and camera is amazing.."
I really think you answered your own question...It's nice that N6P comes with Android M...So it would be the "first" to have the official M build. But in the grand scheme of things, the N6P are just lacking in too many features and the SD810 chipset is very questionable.
I'd suggest letting others be the guinea pigs, wait for some reviews, then make a much more inform decision.
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Yeah exynos CPU is good but TW ruins it, also display quality is not big of a difference :C

As far as pixel ratio sure.. But the S6 is super amoled. And if you don't lie TW you can check the S6 forum to see if there's a M Rom available.

Note 5 vs Nexus 6P, its inevitable

What do you guys think? Software, hardware, android updates, rooting, features and why do you think one is better than the other? Cheers
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Lots of discussion here about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/nexus-6p-vs-note-5-t3212443

I like the size of the note better (I couldn't care less about front speakers). The note barely fits in the place I put my phone in my car, I don't think the 6P would.
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Thats from a nexus forum perspective. I wanna hear from the note side of things.

I'm trying to convince myself to get the 6P but can't find a good enough reason to make the switch just yet.
Development community and updates don't mean as much to me anymore as they used to. I no longer flash roms or have the desire to (but I will root). Updates don't matter as much to me either because I always get the latest phones anyways and don't last long enough with phones to worry about updates.
With that said if the 6P was the size of the G4 and definitely not bigger than the Note 5 and had a IR blaster, I've might have been all over it.
Other things I'll be looking for is the 6p screen actually the same quality as the Note 5 screen? How about outdoor visibility, is it as amazing as the Note 5 is?
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Hey buddy, nice to see you here. I'm keeping my Note 5. The Note 5 is the absolute perfect size for a 5.7" screen device. 6P is too big to me and I don't care about front facing speakers.
But my main reason is I hate stock android. Looks like crap and is boring. I know roms and themes can help that but I'm completely over rooting. It just doesn't add the benefits that it used to and I'm tired of doing it.
So with all that being said, I feel that I have the better device. And I like using the S-Pen.

Right now there are no benefits to get that phone. The strongest argument nexus people make is that they have great developing community, however it takes around 3 months for developers to get their units and to add features. By that time sd820 will be out. On top of that, nexus developers won't be able to bring any cooler features that the note 5 already has. I love the scroll to capture feature on the note 5 for example. Stock android is pretty boring as well, and like previous dude said, I am bored of flashing and running custom roms every week, new bugs and stuff like that. As far as it regards the hardware, I believe the note 5 kills the new nexus.

Same here. Man tapatalk quotes have not been working today. I love my Note 5 and i keep trying to get an excuse to try the 6p but i would be giving up too much by getting rid of my lovely note.
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@WizeGuyDezignz Hey man! (WizeGuyDezignz)Glad to see you again! Yeah man stock android is quite boring. Even if i were to get the 6p i wouldnt keep it a month if that. The S pen is really fantastic. Once you start using the features of the note its hard to get something else.
Its for you WizeGuyDezignz, even mentions are not working for me besides the quotes for some odd reason.
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By the way, I forgot the mention the camera interface. Google camera might be good but that camera interface is so outdated. Yes I can always install a third party application, but man the whole camera experience on the Samsung is a total different Galaxy!

Even though I have the option to return the N5 once there 6p is out, I think I might keep the N5. Haven't owned a nexus device before, just ended up flashing an AOSP based ROM on the Samsung device I owned.
Just might wait it out until someone releases one for the N5.

Only thing nexus is better its updates and roms support

If you want stock, front facing speakers, and ROMs get 6p.
if you like a faster cpu/gpu, a pen, Samsung Pay, better camera (in most ways), and TouchWiz enhancements get note 5.
I also like the size of the note 5 more. 6p is too tall for me.
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This is why I got my Note 5 over a Nexus 6P
**Hardware**
The Note 5 will undoubtedly have superior hardware.
The 14nm Exynos 7420 is miles ahead of the SD810 both in terms of speed and efficiency. Early benchmarks of the SD820 which is also 14nm are actually comparable to the 7420 which is a huge kudos to Samsung for having this chip out there 12 months before Qualcomm in the chipmaking world which runs on 6/12mth cycles. The SD810 in the 6P (even v 2.1) is going to get hot and then throttled as the system underclocks it to compensate. Its just a matter of when, which depends on Huawei's cooling. The SD808 even shares the same problem to a lesser extent.
TLDR: Exynos 7420 chip is miles ahead of the SD810 and has a degree of future proofing.
-NAND storage UFS 2.0 in the Note 5 vs. eMMC in the 6P. Yes its proprietary, but UFS gives much higher read/write speeds.
-4GB RAM vs 3GB. More is better. The aggressive app closing that people have complained about in Galaxy's can be fixed to maximise the use of this for multi tasking.
-Best in class camera – the 6P sounds like it's going to have the best camera ever in a Nexus, but it's still below the S6 edge according to DxoMark, which is going to be below again the yet to be reviewed Note 5. OIS with manual settings is something else altogether if you know what you're doing. Eg http://i.imgur.com/LLp4WQS.jpg – I took this beauty with a super slow shutter speed whilst resting the phone on someone's head lol.
-Best in class screen – there is no way the 6P is going to get the Note 5's screen which has been rated best in class by displaymate and anandtech. Best case scenario is maybe the Note 4's screen which is better than the Nexus 6, but still 40% less efficient compared to the current gen Note 5 (http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note5_ShootOut_1.htm)
Build – I'm not a huge fan of the slippery glass back on the Note, but kudos for the screen to body ratio and tapered edges to help with one handed use, while maintaining the same screen size as the note 4. I use cases for all my phones, so in a way build materials don't really matter. The aluminum build on the 6P also looks nice, but the bezels top and bottom bezels are huge (for the front facing speakers?) and is reflected in the relatively poor screen to body ratio (71.4% vs. 75.9%)
True compared to the Note 4, the omission of the mSD card, IR blaster and replaceable battery are disappointing. There are ways around lack of mSD (see below) and sadly it's a trend that a lot of other smartphone makers are adopting as well. The battery although smaller actually provides more juice compared to the Note 4 thanks to processor and screen improvements in efficiency. If you decided to keep the device for 3+ years, the sealed battery is actually replaceable – not super easy to do, but there are guides online. It's not as if the Nexus 6P has any of these features either.
The Note 5 also has wireless fast charging for a sacrifice of 0.3mm of thickness, which was the main reason Nexus 6P engineers have given for its omission.
**Software**
I'm the first to admit that I'm a huge pure android and nexus nut, but Marshmallow may be the first new version of android that I really can't get excited about. The touted features in Marshmallow are not ground breaking and represent disappointing incremental features which already exist in Lollipop with xposed and even 3rd party apps. True it's giving people who don't root their phones access to them for the first time, but for the power user there really isn't much there. See: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmallow-thoroughly-reviewed/
TLDR:
Doze – can still be bypassed by developers of apps. Only affects standby time so will make no difference to the biggest drain which is screen, app usage and cellular reception quality. Can do similar already with greenify, amplified and other similar apps.
On tap – very hit and miss. More miss than hit
Permissions – nice and about time I guess, but already doable with 3rd party apps (AppOps) / a firewall
Google launcher changes – had these for months already with nova launcher
In context voice commands – nice if you use voice commands often. I don't know many people who do.
Xposed won't work for a while and there will undoubtedly be new bugs as always until 6.1.
All up, the maturity of android is making the latest and greatest pure android updates less mandatory.
My last experience with Touchwiz back with the Note 2 were pretty negative. However, with a dark material theme from the theme store, nova launcher and xposed, the gaudy bits of touchwiz are no longer as bad as they once were. Samsung have really pulled it back and you can do the rest with a simple debloating app or a modded stock ROM. With the [dark material theme](http://www.xda-developers.com/material-and-material-dark-hit-samsungs-theme-store/), it really isn't too disimilar to stock android.
I'm not a huge stylus person, but some of the TW features like signing PDFs and better hand writing recognition seem genuinely useful. Multi window which was touted in the developer preview of Marshmallow but disabled at launch has been around in TouchWiz for years.
The cons of the Note 5 would be that updates are 4-6 months late and there will be no AOSP custom ROM support given it runs on exynos. This means updates for only 2 years at most. However, the maturity of android as an OS has meant that there are less "essential" features to upgrade to or problems for custom ROMs to fix. Xposed framework is a miracle in allowing a degree customisation that only customs ROMs used to be able to offer.
Samsung is also committed to monthly security updates for android, which is huge as you're no longer reliant on a nexus for this. http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...urity-updates-every-month-its-android-devices
**Price**
Local RRP for the 6P is $899 which call it what you want (gouging, Australia tax, market factors) is a huge increase in the $499 US that US customers pay.
Unfortunately I think it will be harder to source cheap grey Nexus 6P stock this time around, as all countries except for North America (with the US Bands version) got done over by the [international pricing model](http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/30/prices-nexus-5x-nexus-6p-across-globe/). Hong Kong/Asia where a lot of grey stuff comes from is not significantly cheaper than Australia (+27% vs +21%) and that's without a GST. You can probably get one for $840 delivered from Clove/Handtec at launch, but at these similar prices I'd personally pay an extra $50 for excellent 2 year playstore warranty. Historically, Nexus devices have had stock supply issues initially and thus haven't always had cheap grey stock prices for 3+ months after launch.
Either way, it's going to be more expensive than the Note 5 in the foreseeable future.
Samsung has pretty good price retention as well. Brand new Note 4s still retail for $650-$700. Resale value used is ~$500-550 on ebay compared to the Nexus 6 which is $400-450. When I got my [Nexus 6 in December](https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/174328), I remember it actually cost more than the Note 4 (paid $765 via Amazon France, Note 4 was ~$720 on a ebay sale).
TLDR
The Note 5 has undoubtedly miles better hardware and will be cheaper than the Nexus 6P at launch. The benefits of pure android and the latest android updates are no longer as important as they once were given the maturity of android as an OS as evidenced by only minor incremental updates in Marshmallow. Advancements in TouchWiz and xposed framework have made non pure android much more tolerable than it once was.
The only other major con I see with the Note 5 is the absence of a 64GB version in Australia, and if it does come it'll be ridiculously expensive (+$300 over the 32GB currently from grey imports and no stock as well). There are ways around this with cloud storage. I uploaded my 20GB music collection to Google music and can stream it free. I run a networked storage drive at home for media streaming. You can also get USB OTG dongles for your mSD card which work well when you want to carry extra media locally.

@PearsonDKA Why not return your $800 device and get a $500 device if you want to run aosp? Quote isn't working... That is for PearsonDKA.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
@PearsonDKA Why not return your $800 device and get a $500 device if you want to run aosp? Quote isn't working... That is for PearsonDKA.
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Honestly, I like having the options to go back and forth between TW and AOSP in case I get bored with one of em or something. I'm actually still on the fence about returning it as well, just gonna see how the N5 handles for the next week.

Here is the thing though, in my honest opinion the Note is just a better device overall and im not just talking about specs.
I understand that people love stock android cause you get the updates quickly and a nexus is a dream for people who love to root and all that. This is xda developers and the chances are that people here (all over xda) will mostly be in favor of the nexus because you can root, rom it, have aosp, flash kernels and all that good stuff and this is the site where it all goes down. Thats all beautiful and they are perfectly right.
But when it comes to having a phone that have features and that truly utilizes that big ass display, really nothing out there competes with the note 5. Its a productivity user's dream. It offers an excellent camera (arguably the best), its absolutely future proof with the 4GB of ram and the powerful SoC, it has arguably the best display on a smartphone, it has the S pen which no one can match on the market at the moment.
People who own the note should use these features, use multiwindow and screen capture and all that, you will see that you wont be able to use another device because you have a mini computer in your pocket that performs wonderfully and do things that other devices cant . As a smartphone, what can beat the note 5 when all is considered? Not a thing.
As a developer's phone, as someone who likes to root and tinker with their device to their liking, nothing can beat a nexus especially the 6p with its amazing specs. Honestly the choice is pretty clear: if you wanna root, rom, flash aosp and CM and all that, you MUST go with a nexus. If you want a phone full of features with the best camera on the market and is a productivity champ you have to go with the note. Forget things like battery life and performance and all that cause both devices are champs. I am using a non carrier note 5 which is expected to have android 6.0 by year's end or early next year, im not sweating it cause the phone works extremely well for me. If i get a nexus 6p now, its only because of the hype but i know what type of user i am and the note 5 works best for me. I skipped the nexus 6 this past year, used many devices and im still alive despite not having used a stock android phone
....just saying
One last thing lol, before the note 5 i had the Iphone 6s and i loved it. But then i wanted a bigger display and i was on the fence between the 6s plus and the note. When i returned my 6s at the apple store to grab the 6s plus, thats when i knew i had to get the note 5 cause i saw how much the 6s plus was just a big phone that does not take advantage of the big display, same with the 6p.
Check out this video guys, trust me its worth it.
https://youtu.be/EYRIX9YP3Lk

Ill keep it simple.
Note 5 has:
Multi Window
Pen
Brighter screen in daylight
Better camera
Wireless charging
Tiny bit better dimensions
More attractive/professional build quality
Samsung pay
Better cpu/gpu
More ram
Nexus has
Dual forward speakers
Type c port
Bigger battery
Rootable without voiding warranty
Instant updates
Note 5 wins.

liqn7 said:
This is why I got my Note 5 over a Nexus 6P
**Hardware**
The Note 5 will undoubtedly have superior hardware.
The 14nm Exynos 7420 is miles ahead of the SD810 both in terms of speed and efficiency. Early benchmarks of the SD820 which is also 14nm are actually comparable to the 7420 which is a huge kudos to Samsung for having this chip out there 12 months before Qualcomm in the chipmaking world which runs on 6/12mth cycles. The SD810 in the 6P (even v 2.1) is going to get hot and then throttled as the system underclocks it to compensate. Its just a matter of when, which depends on Huawei's cooling. The SD808 even shares the same problem to a lesser extent.
TLDR: Exynos 7420 chip is miles ahead of the SD810 and has a degree of future proofing.
-NAND storage UFS 2.0 in the Note 5 vs. eMMC in the 6P. Yes its proprietary, but UFS gives much higher read/write speeds.
-4GB RAM vs 3GB. More is better. The aggressive app closing that people have complained about in Galaxy's can be fixed to maximise the use of this for multi tasking.
-Best in class camera – the 6P sounds like it's going to have the best camera ever in a Nexus, but it's still below the S6 edge according to DxoMark, which is going to be below again the yet to be reviewed Note 5. OIS with manual settings is something else altogether if you know what you're doing. Eg http://i.imgur.com/LLp4WQS.jpg – I took this beauty with a super slow shutter speed whilst resting the phone on someone's head lol.
-Best in class screen – there is no way the 6P is going to get the Note 5's screen which has been rated best in class by displaymate and anandtech. Best case scenario is maybe the Note 4's screen which is better than the Nexus 6, but still 40% less efficient compared to the current gen Note 5 (http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note5_ShootOut_1.htm)
Build – I'm not a huge fan of the slippery glass back on the Note, but kudos for the screen to body ratio and tapered edges to help with one handed use, while maintaining the same screen size as the note 4. I use cases for all my phones, so in a way build materials don't really matter. The aluminum build on the 6P also looks nice, but the bezels top and bottom bezels are huge (for the front facing speakers?) and is reflected in the relatively poor screen to body ratio (71.4% vs. 75.9%)
True compared to the Note 4, the omission of the mSD card, IR blaster and replaceable battery are disappointing. There are ways around lack of mSD (see below) and sadly it's a trend that a lot of other smartphone makers are adopting as well. The battery although smaller actually provides more juice compared to the Note 4 thanks to processor and screen improvements in efficiency. If you decided to keep the device for 3+ years, the sealed battery is actually replaceable – not super easy to do, but there are guides online. It's not as if the Nexus 6P has any of these features either.
The Note 5 also has wireless fast charging for a sacrifice of 0.3mm of thickness, which was the main reason Nexus 6P engineers have given for its omission.
**Software**
I'm the first to admit that I'm a huge pure android and nexus nut, but Marshmallow may be the first new version of android that I really can't get excited about. The touted features in Marshmallow are not ground breaking and represent disappointing incremental features which already exist in Lollipop with xposed and even 3rd party apps. True it's giving people who don't root their phones access to them for the first time, but for the power user there really isn't much there. See: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmallow-thoroughly-reviewed/
TLDR:
Doze – can still be bypassed by developers of apps. Only affects standby time so will make no difference to the biggest drain which is screen, app usage and cellular reception quality. Can do similar already with greenify, amplified and other similar apps.
On tap – very hit and miss. More miss than hit
Permissions – nice and about time I guess, but already doable with 3rd party apps (AppOps) / a firewall
Google launcher changes – had these for months already with nova launcher
In context voice commands – nice if you use voice commands often. I don't know many people who do.
Xposed won't work for a while and there will undoubtedly be new bugs as always until 6.1.
All up, the maturity of android is making the latest and greatest pure android updates less mandatory.
My last experience with Touchwiz back with the Note 2 were pretty negative. However, with a dark material theme from the theme store, nova launcher and xposed, the gaudy bits of touchwiz are no longer as bad as they once were. Samsung have really pulled it back and you can do the rest with a simple debloating app or a modded stock ROM. With the [dark material theme](http://www.xda-developers.com/material-and-material-dark-hit-samsungs-theme-store/), it really isn't too disimilar to stock android.
I'm not a huge stylus person, but some of the TW features like signing PDFs and better hand writing recognition seem genuinely useful. Multi window which was touted in the developer preview of Marshmallow but disabled at launch has been around in TouchWiz for years.
The cons of the Note 5 would be that updates are 4-6 months late and there will be no AOSP custom ROM support given it runs on exynos. This means updates for only 2 years at most. However, the maturity of android as an OS has meant that there are less "essential" features to upgrade to or problems for custom ROMs to fix. Xposed framework is a miracle in allowing a degree customisation that only customs ROMs used to be able to offer.
Samsung is also committed to monthly security updates for android, which is huge as you're no longer reliant on a nexus for this. http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...urity-updates-every-month-its-android-devices
**Price**
Local RRP for the 6P is $899 which call it what you want (gouging, Australia tax, market factors) is a huge increase in the $499 US that US customers pay.
Unfortunately I think it will be harder to source cheap grey Nexus 6P stock this time around, as all countries except for North America (with the US Bands version) got done over by the [international pricing model](http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/30/prices-nexus-5x-nexus-6p-across-globe/). Hong Kong/Asia where a lot of grey stuff comes from is not significantly cheaper than Australia (+27% vs +21%) and that's without a GST. You can probably get one for $840 delivered from Clove/Handtec at launch, but at these similar prices I'd personally pay an extra $50 for excellent 2 year playstore warranty. Historically, Nexus devices have had stock supply issues initially and thus haven't always had cheap grey stock prices for 3+ months after launch.
Either way, it's going to be more expensive than the Note 5 in the foreseeable future.
Samsung has pretty good price retention as well. Brand new Note 4s still retail for $650-$700. Resale value used is ~$500-550 on ebay compared to the Nexus 6 which is $400-450. When I got my [Nexus 6 in December](https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/174328), I remember it actually cost more than the Note 4 (paid $765 via Amazon France, Note 4 was ~$720 on a ebay sale).
TLDR
The Note 5 has undoubtedly miles better hardware and will be cheaper than the Nexus 6P at launch. The benefits of pure android and the latest android updates are no longer as important as they once were given the maturity of android as an OS as evidenced by only minor incremental updates in Marshmallow. Advancements in TouchWiz and xposed framework have made non pure android much more tolerable than it once was.
The only other major con I see with the Note 5 is the absence of a 64GB version in Australia, and if it does come it'll be ridiculously expensive (+$300 over the 32GB currently from grey imports and no stock as well). There are ways around this with cloud storage. I uploaded my 20GB music collection to Google music and can stream it free. I run a networked storage drive at home for media streaming. You can also get USB OTG dongles for your mSD card which work well when you want to carry extra media locally.
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LOL at 'miles better harder'?... You are exaggerating quite a bit. BTW, it has been confired that the 6P uses the latest Samsung panel.
"Miles better hardware' yet multitasking, scrolling and animations are faster and smoother on the 6P. Advanced Kryptonian technology won't make Touchwiz smooth. You care too much about spec sheets dude. Real life performance is much more important.
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seh6183 said:
Ill keep it simple.
Note 5 has:
Multi Window
Pen
Brighter screen in daylight
Better camera
Wireless charging
Tiny bit better dimensions
More attractive/professional build quality
Samsung pay
Better cpu/gpu
More ram
Nexus has
Dual forward speakers
Type c port
Bigger battery
Rootable without voiding warranty
Instant updates
Note 5 wins.
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You forgot more efficient and smoother software under Nexus.
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Reviews are in for the 6P and almost all of them are stating it's the best Android smartphone period including the Note 5. It just goes to show you that the sum of it's parts and amazing optimized software trump spec sheets. Pre-ordered 5 days ago. Going to sell the Note 5 as soon as it arrives. Can't wait to leave touchwiz!

Cool have fun with no s pen, no multi window, no one handed mode, no quick reply, a worse camera, bland speakers, and no wireless charging. Oh and a garbage processor with a full gig less ram. Bye.

Time To Upgrade? Which Phone Would/Have You Purchase(d) and Why?

Holidays.... Which current or last gen phones are worth an upgrade and have the best/most active dev on XDA? Thoughts?

lordodin912 said:
Holidays.... Which current or last gen phones are worth an upgrade and have the best/most active dev on XDA? Thoughts?
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- Every Oneplus phone is a good choice.
- Stay away from Samsung if you want good development.
- Motorola has some nice phones with good development.

Lennyz1988 said:
- Every Oneplus phone is a good choice.
- Stay away from Samsung if you want good development.
- Motorola has some nice phones with good development.
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Thoughts on the v10?

G4 seems pretty popular, but I don't know if it competes with the V10 performance wise. My first android phone was a second hand LG P350 which worked fine, and still does, only the battery is dead.
So thumbs up for LGs.
As a plus, the G4 and V10 have removable batteries and sd card slots, if you're into those sorts of things.
Another option would be Nexus phones. This will also give you the latest android version ahead of everybody else.
The downside is no removable battery and no sd card slot.
There's also a phone from Huawei, the Mate 8 or S I think, which is said to mop the floor with the S6 Edge+, performance wise.

How about Note3 vs V10 vs s6 edge? Can't decide...64gb SD card and extra battery are nice....dev would mabey be better for note5/s6 though. Ugh.

lordodin912 said:
How about Note3 vs V10 vs s6 edge? Can't decide...64gb SD card and extra battery are nice....dev would mabey be better for note5/s6 though. Ugh.
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No it wouldn't. Thanks to the Exynos chip, developers are turning away from devices that have it. I've been on the S6 forum some time ago and I only saw touchwiz based roms mostly.
I don't recommend devices with Exynos chips because Samsung doesn't release sources very often (if at all) and that's a big problem for development.
And developers don't want to put up with all the hassle.

Nexus 6 (not P) is still a good buy. In fact, a 64GB model is what I'm shooting for in about a month. 128GB is too pricey, I don't want a fingerprint scanner, and I have no problem trading larger camera pixels for optical image stabilization. Oh, and don't forget that the 6 doesn't have the Snapdragon 810 inside.

I made an decision myself a few months ago. I chose the GS6 and returned it and kept my Galaxy S4. I chose to wait out for the Galaxy S7 and other flagships to be released. But, if you really want a superb phone right now, read below!
First in short:
1. Galaxy S6-series/Note5: Most reliable Android phone on all grounds. Most reliable camera for a 2015 smartphone and has a long-lasting battery. Weekly updates from Samsung which improves the phone are also there! No SD-card expansion here!
2. Moto X Play: Reliable AFFORDABLE!! Android phone that does not crash just like an Galaxy S6. It has a much lesser camera, yet still better than our Galaxy S4. It offers an SD-card expansion slot, AMOLED-LIKE display with brightness rivaling the mighty Galaxy S6-series. Battery-life is this device' top point. It easily outclasses every other modern flagship smartphone.
3. LG G4: Reliable Android phone. Not a reliable camera as the Galaxy S6 (bad dynamic range, bad OIS in certain situations, slow auto exposure-adjusting and many more) BUT when it does work, it produces amazing results in specific situations. Offers mediocre battery-life. Expect yourself to become a wall-hugger, although not as much a wallhugger as people with an iPhone 6(s). It DOES offer SD-card expansion AND a user-replaceable battery!
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Personally, for a reliable phone, I'd pick the Galaxy S6-series flagship model. It's simply the best all-rounder with strong points at every aspect. The Galaxy S6 is imho very cheap for an flagship and is just plain awesome.
If you are on a budget, I recommend the Motorola Moto Play. It's truly a flagship killer, except for it's camera. It's camera is vastly better than what we have on our Galaxy S4, but it does not get close to what an S6 can produce. That said, the camera is very usable! The Moto Play has a truly astounding 5.5" IPS display, about as ridicilously bright as an Galaxy S6 can get and has a ridicilously high contrast ratio (very AMOLED-like!!!). It's killer point isn't it's display though, neither it's speed (keeps up with an Galaxy S6). It has INSANE battery-life! It smokes all Android flagships and Apple's iPhone 6S aswell when it gets down to battery life! Truly, the Moto Play is my top choice for EVERYONE that is on a budget, or is looking for an insanely fast and RELIABLE phone that has mindboggling battery-life. On a side-note, the Moto Play also offers MICRO SD-CARD EXPANSION.
The LG G4 isn't a great choice anymore. It has a lackluster display due to a very low ,maximum brightness, feels sturdy yet cheap. Camera is amazing in specific situations while in other specific situations, it performs worse than even our Galaxy S4 (microphone when outdoors, video in 1080p, the LG G4 is terribly oversharpened while our S4 makes it look smooth like you'd expect). BUT, it does offer user-replaceable battery and a micro sd-card slot! In my opinion, I never swap batteries and only use an SD-card slot.
For both the latest Galaxy S series flagship and the Moto Play you do not need custom roms for stability and reliablity. For the Moto Play you might want custom roms for extra features that the Galaxy already offers out of the box. The LG G4 is a mixed bag here. It's a playfull device, not as feature-proof as the Galaxy S6 is but there ARE custom roms availible for it!
I could give you way more input than this since I research smartphones for my own business regarding what device suits specific people the best.

tuk1maar said:
I made an decision myself a few months ago. I chose the GS6 and returned it and kept my Galaxy S4. I chose to wait out for the Galaxy S7 and other flagships to be released. But, if you really want a superb phone right now, read below!
First in short:
1. Galaxy S6-series/Note5: Most reliable Android phone on all grounds. Most reliable camera for a 2015 smartphone and has a long-lasting battery. Weekly updates from Samsung which improves the phone are also there! No SD-card expansion here!
2. Moto X Play: Reliable AFFORDABLE!! Android phone that does not crash just like an Galaxy S6. It has a much lesser camera, yet still better than our Galaxy S4. It offers an SD-card expansion slot, AMOLED-LIKE display with brightness rivaling the mighty Galaxy S6-series. Battery-life is this device' top point. It easily outclasses every other modern flagship smartphone.
3. LG G4: Reliable Android phone. Not a reliable camera as the Galaxy S6 (bad dynamic range, bad OIS in certain situations, slow auto exposure-adjusting and many more) BUT when it does work, it produces amazing results in specific situations. Offers mediocre battery-life. Expect yourself to become a wall-hugger, although not as much a wallhugger as people with an iPhone 6(s). It DOES offer SD-card expansion AND a user-replaceable battery!
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Personally, for a reliable phone, I'd pick the Galaxy S6-series flagship model. It's simply the best all-rounder with strong points at every aspect. The Galaxy S6 is imho very cheap for an flagship and is just plain awesome.
If you are on a budget, I recommend the Motorola Moto Play. It's truly a flagship killer, except for it's camera. It's camera is vastly better than what we have on our Galaxy S4, but it does not get close to what an S6 can produce. That said, the camera is very usable! The Moto Play has a truly astounding 5.5" IPS display, about as ridicilously bright as an Galaxy S6 can get and has a ridicilously high contrast ratio (very AMOLED-like!!!). It's killer point isn't it's display though, neither it's speed (keeps up with an Galaxy S6). It has INSANE battery-life! It smokes all Android flagships and Apple's iPhone 6S aswell when it gets down to battery life! Truly, the Moto Play is my top choice for EVERYONE that is on a budget, or is looking for an insanely fast and RELIABLE phone that has mindboggling battery-life. On a side-note, the Moto Play also offers MICRO SD-CARD EXPANSION.
The LG G4 isn't a great choice anymore. It has a lackluster display due to a very low ,maximum brightness, feels sturdy yet cheap. Camera is amazing in specific situations while in other specific situations, it performs worse than even our Galaxy S4 (microphone when outdoors, video in 1080p, the LG G4 is terribly oversharpened while our S4 makes it look smooth like you'd expect). BUT, it does offer user-replaceable battery and a micro sd-card slot! In my opinion, I never swap batteries and only use an SD-card slot.
For both the latest Galaxy S series flagship and the Moto Play you do not need custom roms for stability and reliablity. For the Moto Play you might want custom roms for extra features that the Galaxy already offers out of the box. The LG G4 is a mixed bag here. It's a playfull device, not as feature-proof as the Galaxy S6 is but there ARE custom roms availible for it!
I could give you way more input than this since I research smartphones for my own business regarding what device suits specific people the best.
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Sisters getting the v10, thoughts? Are the v10 and g4 basically the same minus the 4gb ram, build quality and 2nd screen? Very in depth thanks....2015 not a good year for flasgships.... In a perfect world every model would have, at least, an option for removable battery and expandable storage. And I read the s7 might not have either but who knows.....mabey I should wait until next year. Just want the next upgrade to feel like my last upgrade from an evo3d to the s4 ha.

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Sisters getting the v10, thoughts? Are the v10 and g4 basically the same minus the 4gb ram, build quality and 2nd screen? Very in depth thanks....2015 not a good year for flasgships.... In a perfect world every model would have, at least, an option for removable battery and expandable storage. And I read the s7 might not have either but who knows.....mabey I should wait until next year. Just want the next upgrade to feel like my last upgrade from an evo3d to the s4 ha.
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The V10 is a nice upgrade to the LG G4. But, if the camera is important to you then it's good to know that the V10 has the same issue's as the LG G4 BUT, the V10 can record video with manual settings! If you want to feel the massive upgrade, then wait it out. I myself owned an Galaxy S6 and returned it. My little brother and my father both still own their Galaxy S6. I am running Albe's Note 5 custom ROM and when I compare my S4 to their Galaxy S6, it really does not differ all that much. Multitasking on my S4 is the same as on the S6, app-opening speed of small apps differ only by a millisecond. Switching between apps is obviously lagfree and ridicilously fast on the S6 and not on our glitchy Note 5 custom rom-running S4. The S6 did give me a few WOW-reactions, which were:
- Battery life, ~8 SOT daily. I am a chat-aholic and thus I use WhatsApp & snapchat a lot. On my S4 on kitkat, I achieved on average around 6.5 SOT, while my S4 achieves only ~3.5 SOT on the Note 5 rom.
- Display: MUCH brighter and MORE visible display! The S6 is pretty much perfect to use at ~30% brightness outdoors. My S4 would need to be at ~75% brightness to match the same out-door visibility that the S6 offers.
- Speakers: Very rich, deep bass and insane low frequency response while maintaining a very surround-like sound. Also, incredibly loud!
- Camera: It never stops surprising me how ridiculously good the camera on the S6 is. Samsung favors on the S6 to have no noise at all costs. Resulting in ALWAYS having a perfect picture to post on the internet!
- Fast: It never slowed down nor hang in the ~4 months my little brother had his S6.
ONE BAD THING THOUGH! Agressive RAM-management!
So, why did I return my S6 and went back to my S4? The S6' camera was only notably better than my S4' camera at low-light. Sure, my S4 camera is laggy, low-framerate, but I can deal with that. Back when the S6 launched, my S4 was still on KitKat and was pulling daily ~6.5 SOT on around 30% brightness with mixed usage. The S6 barely outperformed my S4 back then. I got a few audio-enhancements for my S4 which resulted in the S6 being only a little bit louder than my S4 was with more surround sound and LESS bass, yes less!!! (Speaker amp at 55, viper4android and Music Eq, all working together :3 ). My S4 multitasked better than my new S6 and my S4 basically offered all the same functionality as the S6 does. Remember, this was with my S4 on KitKat!
Now, you must be having a tough time deciding what to buy... It really depends on what specific part of a phone is the most important to you.
Balanced best phone: Galaxy S6-series/iPhone 6s PLUS (only PLUS model!!!)
Battery best phone: Motorola Moto Play
Specific situations (camera) best phone: LG V10
I guess that's my list right now. All phones that have mediocre battery-life are phones I do not take as an option. A smartphone can only stay smart if it can survive a full day with normal use only. Otherwise it wouldn't be smart heh

Personally i'm going for Nexus phones all the way from now on. It may not offer all the features that the LG UI or Touchwiz do but i'm tired of waiting for updates, custom aosp roms not working properly due to the lack of drivers released by OEM's, tired of LAG and stuttering throughout the phone...
Nexus phones solve all of that.

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Personally i'm going for Nexus phones all the way from now on. It may not offer all the features that the LG UI or Touchwiz do but i'm tired of waiting for updates, custom aosp roms not working properly due to the lack of drivers released by OEM's, tired of LAG and stuttering throughout the phone...
Nexus phones solve all of that.
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Yes, they do that. But the same stability is also given by the latest Touchwiz and by Motorola's Moto mid-range and higher series phones. Especially the Galaxy S6 series and the Moto Play are terrifyingly amazing. No need for custom ROMS, no lag, no hiccups or stuttering, insanely fast and excel in batterylife which is exactly the part where the latest Nexus phones are terrible at. The Nexus 5X barely outperforming the batterylife of an Galaxy S4 shows how lackluster it's batterylife is. The Nexus 6P has average batterylife. Expect 1 SOT more on the 6P than you'd get on a stock Galaxy S4.
If you want a stable, reliable phone that does well at every aspect of being a smartphone, then the Galaxy S6 series and the Moto Play are the best option here. They update their phones fast, with the S6 having weekly system updates and the Moto Play a little less frequently but still gets the big software updates pretty fast. The Nexus line-up offer the fastest software updates, but with just 'okay' hardware and performance, what kind of improvements do you expect? The S6-series has weekly updates, improving hardware and software whereas the Moto Play aready is running on Marshmellow.
I owned an Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 4 myself. In the end, I keep returning to the more feature-rich touchwiz on my S4. The Moto Play has near-stock android, but once again it's feature packed

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Yes, they do that. But the same stability is also given by the latest Touchwiz and by Motorola's Moto mid-range and higher series phones. Especially the Galaxy S6 series and the Moto Play are terrifyingly amazing. No need for custom ROMS, no lag, no hiccups or stuttering, insanely fast and excel in batterylife which is exactly the part where the latest Nexus phones are terrible at. The Nexus 5X barely outperforming the batterylife of an Galaxy S4 shows how lackluster it's batterylife is. The Nexus 6P has average batterylife. Expect 1 SOT more on the 6P than you'd get on a stock Galaxy S4.
If you want a stable, reliable phone that does well at every aspect of being a smartphone, then the Galaxy S6 series and the Moto Play are the best option here. They update their phones fast, with the S6 having weekly system updates and the Moto Play a little less frequently but still gets the big software updates pretty fast. The Nexus line-up offer the fastest software updates, but with just 'okay' hardware and performance, what kind of improvements do you expect? The S6-series has weekly updates, improving hardware and software whereas the Moto Play aready is running on Marshmellow.
I owned an Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 4 myself. In the end, I keep returning to the more feature-rich touchwiz on my S4. The Moto Play has near-stock android, but once again it's feature packed
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Sorry but there are plenty of videos on youtube that show the Note 5 STILL lags, nowhere near as much as before but it's still there. Also i don't want to have to deal with crap like Knox voiding my warranty and ram management issues. Also i really like the smoothness and customization of AOSP based roms and AOSP roms will never run perfect on Samsung phones. + The S6 battery is complete crap.
I will agree that the Moto Play is a very good phone though, especially if you're into hardware customization and the price is quite good too.

Well guess I'll wait for the 820 chipset and see how it goes haha.......?

Yes. I'd also wait for the next generation phones. Right now there are far to many to choose from.

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Sorry but there are plenty of videos on youtube that show the Note 5 STILL lags, nowhere near as much as before but it's still there. Also i don't want to have to deal with crap like Knox voiding my warranty and ram management issues. Also i really like the smoothness and customization of AOSP based roms and AOSP roms will never run perfect on Samsung phones. + The S6 battery is complete crap.
I will agree that the Moto Play is a very good phone though, especially if you're into hardware customization and the price is quite good too.
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I do not own an Note 5. The only devices I own is an Galaxy S6 and an Galaxy S6 Edge Plus. Both do not lag. They DO lag when you enable power saving though. Both have very agressive RAM management issue's. I recommend you not to believe stories about bad batterylife of the Galaxy S6 as Samsung pushes (at least here, in Holland) weekly updates. Their last update was once again for batterylife. This time, it was specifically for battery-standby. And it really did pay-off since my standby times have much improved. If you do not have hazardous applications installed on your Galaxy S6 such as applications that promise to be an RAM-cleaner or a battery-saver, then you should be seeing SOT's of 6.5 hours or more a day on auto-brightness. When I just bought my S6, mine had insane batterylife. My father's S6 had terrible batterylife. I was pulling 8 SOT a day while my father only got at most 2.5 SOT a day. Back then he had stupid Google Play services drain it's battery. Right now, he too gets insane SOT since a month or two ago.
AOSP rom's on an Exynos device? Why'd you even expect that? It's common sense to not expect AOSP or CM for an Exynos device. IF it does happen (like the just released CM for the S6), then it will provide you great RAM management, terrible batterylife and a terrible camera-experience. The S6 as of now is the perfect device for the average joe AND for the average joe that likes productivity. Do not get the S6 if you are a flash-aholic and bound to use AOSP because you think Google is God.
Moto Play is bad at gaming, but does the rest very well. The only phone that is the best balanced is as far as I know, the Galaxy S6-series. It isn't the best at every aspect, but it's always one of the best at everything it does, and that's what makes that device special and is why I recommend the S6 now unlike a few months ago

I'm confused whether it's ram or processor or nothing can make fast my device.
I use 300 apps in my asus laser. And average running apps would be fifteen to twenty. All these might not actually use at a time. But they are staying in recent apps even i quit using them. Don't say my top uninstall useless apps.
Prob is apps taking more than 4 to 5 seconds time to open. Im seriously looking out for which does not take time after i tap on the app. This is my only requirement. Multitasking. Help?
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I'm confused whether it's ram or processor or nothing can make fast my device.
I use 300 apps in my asus laser. And average running apps would be fifteen to twenty. All these might not actually use at a time. But they are staying in recent apps even i quit using them. Don't say me to uninstall useless apps.
Prob is apps taking more than 4 to 5 seconds time to open. Im seriously looking out for which does not take time after i tap on the app. This is my only requirement. Multitasking. Help?
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Note 5 vs LG V10?

Soooo, I got a Trial Note 5 to play with, as I have had a Note 3, 4 in the past and other phones like the iPhone. But I also have a LG V10 I am trying too right now. For the life of me, I wanted to like the V10, but I am having a HARD time adjusting to the buttons on the back. It also has a bit of LAG to it where the Note 5 never shows it any more. My Note 4 definitely had lag.
Anyone else use a V10 to try and go back to the Note? I like the replaceable battery and SD Card 200gb.

Note 5 murder the v10 in terms of performance, screen quality and battery, V10 has higher quality audio, more video control micro SD and removable battery, the Note5 also got S Pen- it got many awesome features.
Take the V10 if- you need a phone NOW, it has to be with microSD and removable battery, and don't care about mid heavy 3D game performance, also V10 has locked bootloader and unlikely will be unlocked if G4 is any indication.
Take the Note 5 if- you need a phone NOW, you need the best performance, best screen, camera is slightly better than V10, though V10 has slight advantage in low light shots, you need more function from the phone aka S Pen features., if you care about instant root and unlocked bootloader too.
Wait after Feb 21, as Galaxy S7 and G5 will be announced, the GS7 will have it's micro SD back.

Derpling said:
Note 5 murder the v10 in terms of performance, screen quality and battery, V10 has higher quality audio, more video control micro SD and removable battery, the Note5 also got S Pen- it got many awesome features.
Take the V10 if- you need a phone NOW, it has to be with microSD and removable battery, and don't care about mid heavy 3D game performance, also V10 has locked bootloader and unlikely will be unlocked if G4 is any indication.
Take the Note 5 if- you need a phone NOW, you need the best performance, best screen, camera is slightly better than V10, though V10 has slight advantage in low light shots, you need more function from the phone aka S Pen features., if you care about instant root and unlocked bootloader too.
Wait after Feb 21, as Galaxy S7 and G5 will be announced, the GS7 will have it's micro SD back.
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I just packed up the V10 to sell again on Swappa. I can't stand it any more. I'll see if I can wait till Feb. 21st. But may just get a Note 5. Any benefits between the Note 5 and S6 Edge plus?

Software wise v10 wins but has no root as far as I I know
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I had a 32gb Note 5 and jumped to the v10 when they had the battery/200gb sd promo! The v10 was fun for a change due to ive had the note 2,3,4 and 5 as my last phones but i love the feel of the note and had yo jump back lol...Im running the MM 6.0 beta on my tmo Note 5 and it flys with zero lag!!!! Cant wait for the official update!!! But hands down the Note 5 is better but the v10 was pretty damn good for what it was!

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I just packed up the V10 to sell again on Swappa. I can't stand it any more. I'll see if I can wait till Feb. 21st. But may just get a Note 5. Any benefits between the Note 5 and S6 Edge plus?
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Well if u fixed on the Note then get it now, it won't likely go down in price, or go down slightly in price as Galaxy and Note series are aimed at different crowd.
Note main feature is the S-Pen, although i don't use it as much but when i do, it's totally helping me to achieve certain tasks, i also like how the Note looks.
S6 Edge plus is just curved from the edges, Android 6 should get it even better, more function would be possible by the edge strips.
All other they have the same SOC, edge might look for appealing but it's up to u.

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Software wise v10 wins but has no root as far as I I know
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I don't agree. I think the LG software needs work.
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I had a 32gb Note 5 and jumped to the v10 when they had the battery/200gb sd promo! The v10 was fun for a change due to ive had the note 2,3,4 and 5 as my last phones but i love the feel of the note and had yo jump back lol...Im running the MM 6.0 beta on my tmo Note 5 and it flys with zero lag!!!! Cant wait for the official update!!! But hands down the Note 5 is better but the v10 was pretty damn good for what it was!
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Well if u fixed on the Note then get it now, it won't likely go down in price, or go down slightly in price as Galaxy and Note series are aimed at different crowd.
Note main feature is the S-Pen, although i don't use it as much but when i do, it's totally helping me to achieve certain tasks, i also like how the Note looks.
S6 Edge plus is just curved from the edges, Android 6 should get it even better, more function would be possible by the edge strips.
All other they have the same SOC, edge might look for appealing but it's up to u.
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Thanks!

nizmoz15 said:
I just packed up the V10 to sell again on Swappa. I can't stand it any more. I'll see if I can wait till Feb. 21st. But may just get a Note 5. Any benefits between the Note 5 and S6 Edge plus?
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y u quoting this? i answered before.

I had the Note5 when it released, and went to the V10 when it released. I am going back to the Note5.
The V10 has been a great phone. I can't begin to explain how nice it is to almost never have to plug in to charge - I always swap batteries instead. The camera on the V10 has a bit more fine-tuning, and much better low light potential, but in automatic point/shoot the Note5 seems to win in most camera comparisons. I also very rarely take pictures... even though the V10's camera was a huge selling point for me, I have no real use for it. Note5 will also outperform the V10, obviously. The audio quality on the Note5 certainly isn't poor, and I really don't notice the V10 being better with my $1,500 AKG K812 headphones, or $1,000 Shure SE846 IEMs - they're low impedance, so either phone drives them fine. The nice thing about the Note5 is having the built-in equalizer, whereas the V10 has none. The biggest selling point for the Note5 though, is the screen. OLED cannot be beat by an LCD. I have an LG OLED TV, and tried to buy a Samsung LCD for use elsewhere, but returned it - the quality is garbage compared to OLED. You're looking at the screen the whole time you're really using a phone - why not have the best screen possible? The lack of SD for Samsung kind of sucks because I have the 200GB card from the V10, but even with that, I have not used over 40GB counting internal storage as well, so the 64GB Note5 will be fine for me. I used to really think the S-pen was cool, but barely used that either. But it's still nice to have. I kind of wish the Note5 used on-screen buttons, but having that extra screen real-estate is nice.
Either phone is a great choice. As you can see I'm back and forth on certain points, haha. If the V10 had an OLED screen and better processor, I'd certainly stay with it. Kind of funny how LG dominates the OLED TV market, yet Samsung dominates the OLED phone display market.

I went from the Note 4 to a v10 mainly for the removable battery & SD. I had it for almost a month before trading it in for a note 5. Don't get me wrong- its a great phone, and at first I really loved it. But after a couple weeks I found myself growing more and more frustrated with it, mainly because of the awkward rear buttons and the bad battery life. The second battery I got from the promo was a necessity cause it simply would not last me the whole day even with battery-saving tweaks and a custom rom. The Samsung home button was still programmed into my muscle memory as well and I kept catching myself poking at the lower edge of the phone to turn it on. It was annoying to not have it there anymore. The fingerprint scanner rarely ever worked and I ended up just disabling it, which really sucked cause it was one of the features that drew me to it in the first place. I never realized how much I used the S-pen until it wasn't there anymore. I missed having hard buttons and found myself hating the stupid screen-shortening soft buttons. It's supposed to have the best camera on the market, but no matter what I did all my shots were either noisy or slightly blurry. I could go on, but you get it.
By the time I finally admitted to myself that there were more things I didn't like about it than things I did, it was too late to just return it and my only option was to do a jump upgrade to another phone. I didn't want to enter into another device payment for another note 4, so I grudgingly got a 64gb note 5 instead fully expecting to hate it, but ended up absolutely loving it. It's fast, I regularly end my days with 40% battery left, and I have full use of my whole screen again. Yes, no SD sucks but it forced me to finally go through all the crap I thought I needed to carry with me everywhere and found I didn't really need 2/3 of it. Got rid of about 25 gigs of music I haven't listened to in years, and rehomed my 128gb card in my tablet. I'm eating a bit of crow after all the crap I talked about the note 5 but I'm very, very happy with this phone.

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I had the Note5 when it released, and went to the V10 when it released. I am going back to the Note5.
The V10 has been a great phone. I can't begin to explain how nice it is to almost never have to plug in to charge - I always swap batteries instead. The camera on the V10 has a bit more fine-tuning, and much better low light potential, but in automatic point/shoot the Note5 seems to win in most camera comparisons. I also very rarely take pictures... even though the V10's camera was a huge selling point for me, I have no real use for it. Note5 will also outperform the V10, obviously. The audio quality on the Note5 certainly isn't poor, and I really don't notice the V10 being better with my $1,500 AKG K812 headphones, or $1,000 Shure SE846 IEMs - they're low impedance, so either phone drives them fine. The nice thing about the Note5 is having the built-in equalizer, whereas the V10 has none. The biggest selling point for the Note5 though, is the screen. OLED cannot be beat by an LCD. I have an LG OLED TV, and tried to buy a Samsung LCD for use elsewhere, but returned it - the quality is garbage compared to OLED. You're looking at the screen the whole time you're really using a phone - why not have the best screen possible? The lack of SD for Samsung kind of sucks because I have the 200GB card from the V10, but even with that, I have not used over 40GB counting internal storage as well, so the 64GB Note5 will be fine for me. I used to really think the S-pen was cool, but barely used that either. But it's still nice to have. I kind of wish the Note5 used on-screen buttons, but having that extra screen real-estate is nice.
Either phone is a great choice. As you can see I'm back and forth on certain points, haha. If the V10 had an OLED screen and better processor, I'd certainly stay with it. Kind of funny how LG dominates the OLED TV market, yet Samsung dominates the OLED phone display market.
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I had G4 and while i played with the V10, they not that different, the v10 is better than G4 but not by that much. in fact, G4 is one of the worst phones i ever used, v10 is slightly above it.
If LG could make they own CPU that would rival 7420, unlocked bootloader without any drama and improve their LG UI and software, as i find the new touchwiz far better than lg, then they might tickle the Note 5, but seriously they both aimed at same yet different people, if u want best of the best of all except SD card and removable battery, you take the Note5.
If u mainly care about camera and sd card and battery to swap on the go, you go with V10, oh btw just recently LG recalled a lot of G4 that stuck in a bootloop because the connector inside are not well connected.

Funny you mention that... I find the current versions if TouchWiz much better than LG's skin too...
TouchWiz is to the point I kind of actually like it. I miss some of the features and layout when using my nexus devices. Never thought I would say that!
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Funny you mention that... I find the current versions if TouchWiz much better than LG's skin too...
TouchWiz is to the point I kind of actually like it. I miss some of the features and layout when using my nexus devices. Never thought I would say that!
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Touchwiz was a real cancer, but sammy made a cure, well almost i hope the Android 6.0.1 will introduce even a better touchwiz.

Derpling said:
Touchwiz was a real cancer, but sammy made a cure, well almost i hope the Android 6.0.1 will introduce even a better touchwiz.
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TouchWiz on MM is not that much different than it is on LP in terms of features. Though the beta we have isn't final so who knows exactly what is changed. I do like what I have seen so far in the MM beta though as it is even smoother than LP.
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Most people wanna hate the note 5 but after using one you will love it.

Both are great phones. LG has come a long ways.
I came from a note 5 to a G4, then a V10, and today, got some the note 5 again.
The note 5 is more polished then the V10. The V10 handed the Microsoft apps much better and the video was better. It was tough for me.
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bonebeatz1234 said:
Most people wanna hate the note 5 but after using one you will love it.
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Amen. I talked so much crap about this phone, damning it as a failure because of no SD card, no ir, no removable battery, etc, but now that I have one I love it to death.

I had the V10 for a bit and thought I loved it, but the moment I picked up a Note 5 I knew I had to get one instead. I didn't have to think twice about ditching the V10, there is NO comparison when it comes to the Note 5. I have been a hardcore Samsung hater ever since the Galaxy S3 came out (The GS2 Epic 4G Touch is still one of my all time favs), but they completely won me back with the Note 5. It has literally changed the way I use my phone. I used to think I was a power user, but I didn't know how much of a power user I would become when I first got the Note, it has some seriously game changing features for me (notably split screen and everything the SPen allows). I rely far more on the capabilities of the Note 5 than on any device I have had before. The V10 is barely a memory anymore. The Note 5 is easily the greatest smartphone ever created, there is nothing else that comes close.

Ppl keep talking bout detouchwiz-ing note 5. I've tried nova launcher and Google now launcher and always found myself coming back to the touchwiz launcher. I can't live without the s planner (calender) widget, which didn't work which either launchers.
Been note 2, 3, 4 and 5 user. There is absolutely no lag on note 5. There is absolutely nothing wrong with touchwiz
Love my note 5 to bits!!
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Nexus 6P or Galaxy S7 ?

Hey guys
I'm going to buy a new phone next week , and I'm not sure what to buy .. first I was planning to get Nexus 6P since I'm a nexus fan since Galaxy Nexus , then Samsung announced the S7 and S7 Edge with pretty impressive specs and they're going to be available next week here
the price is the same ((Nexus 6P 64 gb version and the regular S7))
every phone has it's ups and downs for example the nexus phones are not popular here and it's really hard to find accessories for it and it's going to be very hard to fix the phone if the screen broke or something
and for the S7 touchwiz is a major turnoff for me with it's awful RAM management + scrolling lag (( not sure if they fixed it or not in the S7)) plus we'll have the exynos variant here so no AOSP ROMs
If you were me what you're going to buy ?

I returned my 6p after the case buckled at the volume rocker after a week of use.
Waiting for my S7 Edge now.
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This may help.. My 6P has had a few issues and I am waiting for a replacement. Sure the build quality is not as good as the S7, but given the choice, I would not switch to the S7. The software performance on the 6P is unmatched in my opinion.
However, you can't go wrong with either.. Samsung did a good job with the S7/edge

6P. The S7 is better on paper but, in the end, it's still a Samsung so the software will constantly be making it worse than it actually is. Also, the updates won't be as fast as Google's obv (not even close).

IMHO the quality of the software is moot if the phone falls apart in your hand.
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I have a 6P now, and I'm waiting for my S7 Edge to get here so I can switch over to it.

IIEtCII said:
Hey guys
I'm going to buy a new phone next week , and I'm not sure what to buy .. first I was planning to get Nexus 6P since I'm a nexus fan since Galaxy Nexus , then Samsung announced the S7 and S7 Edge with pretty impressive specs and they're going to be available next week here
the price is the same ((Nexus 6P 64 gb version and the regular S7))
every phone has it's ups and downs for example the nexus phones are not popular here and it's really hard to find accessories for it and it's going to be very hard to fix the phone if the screen broke or something
and for the S7 touchwiz is a major turnoff for me with it's awful RAM management + scrolling lag (( not sure if they fixed it or not in the S7)) plus we'll have the exynos variant here so no AOSP ROMs
If you were me what you're going to buy ?
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I own both phones - and I have to say that the fact that GOOGLE keeps the Nexus updated very regularly is tempting - heck, there is already a preview out for ANDROID N that you can flash for goodness sake - but despite that - the Galaxy S 7 Edge is a phenomenal phone - NONE BETTER that I have seen or used EVER. Benchmarks are off the charts - (in a manner of speaking) 138,750 was my most recent Antutu benchmark test. The camera is incredible -the phone looks fantastic - feels great in the hand - (actually feels smaller than what you think a 5.1 inch screen should feel) I have no regrets at all.
So - if yuo are a huge AOSP fan and need those very frequent updates then go with the Nexus - it is a great phone and you won't ever be disappointed about having to wait too long to get the next android update - but if that is not your number 1 reason for buying a phone, then I strongly recommend the Galaxy S 7 Edge.
Whatever you do - you will love the phone - they are both awesome. Oh and by the way, Samsung did a really nice job on Touchwiz this time - best implementation ever for all of their phones. It still ahs some bloat, but nowhere near what past phones have had. Do your self a favor - do not listen to people who have not personally used the S7 Edge for any length of time - who are haters of Samsung and would blast any Samsung phone regardless of the quality - but make your choice based on what is MOST important to you - you can't go wrong.

Simple. Which do you prioritize more: Hardware or software? If hardware, go with the S7. If software, go with the 6P. Although waterproofing aside, the 6P is no slouch in the hardware department either.

6p now have android n, if you like software 6p its for you, hardware go for s7 egde

Lagwiz..
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IIEtCII said:
Hey guys
I'm going to buy a new phone next week , and I'm not sure what to buy .. first I was planning to get Nexus 6P since I'm a nexus fan since Galaxy Nexus , then Samsung announced the S7 and S7 Edge with pretty impressive specs and they're going to be available next week here
the price is the same ((Nexus 6P 64 gb version and the regular S7))
every phone has it's ups and downs for example the nexus phones are not popular here and it's really hard to find accessories for it and it's going to be very hard to fix the phone if the screen broke or something
and for the S7 touchwiz is a major turnoff for me with it's awful RAM management + scrolling lag (( not sure if they fixed it or not in the S7)) plus we'll have the exynos variant here so no AOSP ROMs
If you were me what you're going to buy ?
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I say get the s7 and wait for the next nexus this year. I don't think the 6p is worth it at the moment imo.

Nexus6P + XDA = Winner! You can do the same math for the next Nexus!