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Upgrade RAM?

Does the joying brand allow for ram upgrade? that seems to be my biggest hangup from buying a unit with 1gb ram. looking at this image from an ebay seller for a non working unit, looks like there could be a spot for ram.
edit, it wont let me post the link but search ebay for
"JOYING Android in dash Head Unit quad core 4.4 6.2 full touch display"
and you will see what I mean

caseyh said:
Does the joying brand allow for ram upgrade? that seems to be my biggest hangup from buying a unit with 1gb ram. looking at this image from an ebay seller for a non working unit, looks like there could be a spot for ram.
edit, it wont let me post the link but search ebay for
"JOYING Android in dash Head Unit quad core 4.4 6.2 full touch display"
and you will see what I mean
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I have an Ownice C200 with 2gb of ram, and i very satisfied since the last update.
At the end of this month or in march, they will release Android Lollipop for these units.
I have no clue why other manufacturers stick to 1 gb ram.

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Flemischguy said:
I have an Ownice C200 with 2gb of ram, and i very satisfied since the last update.
At the end of this month or in march, they will release Android Lollipop for these units.
I have no clue why other manufacturers stick to 1 gb ram.
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I purchased my Joying off of Amazon back in November and have had a great experience with the unit. If I were you I would look at carjoying.com for the unit that you are interested in and then make an order for it at Amazon from a prime distributor they have 7, 8, and 10 inch screen models. I received mine in three days. Do not expect any of these units to be at the cutting edge of the Android OS, but they work surprisingly well. I previously had a pioneer with applay and spent almost $800 for steering wheel adapters and chords and NEVER was satisfied. Most of these units go for under $400 with custom dash setups by vehicle and steering wheel use in a plug n to factory harness. Do not take my word for it just look on YouTube.

How about phone calls?
I read a lot of complaints that the phone calls sounds bad for both sides and there still using a bluetooth version 2.0 while Ownice has version 3.0, the calls i have, are crisp and clear for me and the other person on the other side.
That's a big plus for me.

Flemischguy said:
How about phone calls?
I read a lot of complaints that the phone calls sounds bad for both sides and there still using a bluetooth version 2.0 while Ownice has version 3.0, the calls i have, are crisp and clear for me and the other person on the other side.
That's a big plus for me.
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I just got a joying and it must have a new hardware revision. The integrated mic mutes when you plug in an external mic, and no complaints on bluetooth noise.

Any upcoming head units better than rk3188?

I've been researching these chinese headunits for my mercedes and I believe the ones that run rk3188 are the fastest currently..... I am wondering if I should just pull the trigger on one of these or is there going to be an advancement coming anytime soon? Like an octocore or something. Also was wondering is there a big difference in speed between the r16 quad core a7 vs the rk3188 quadcore a9........... The unit I really want is this but I am pretty sure it is running a quad core a7 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/8-8-...ation-Central-Multimedia-for/32603628957.html
even though it says quad core a9.

http://www.in-dash.net/buy_en/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=15&product_id=83
This unit specifically says it's for a Hyundai but it looks just like the "universal" 2 din unit that I have. It boots quickly, has hardware H.264 decoding along with other codecs. Octa-Core processor. If there were some more folks here who had the unit I bet we could get some really good roms and/or other customizations going for it.
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Forrice said:
http://www.in-dash.net/buy_en/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=15&product_id=83
This unit specifically says it's for a Hyundai but it looks just like the "universal" 2 din unit that I have. It boots quickly, has hardware H.264 decoding along with other codecs. Octa-Core processor. If there were some more folks here who had the unit I bet we could get some really good roms and/or other customizations going for it.
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Something looks not right. Their hardware looks like the old style to me. Buttons and so on belongs
to old units. They claim DVD optional when the hardware has an opening for DVD? SWC optional is
kind of crazy too. The specification looks thin to me.

I have the version from the indiegogo campaign which is only 800x480 I think but it mostly performs rather well. It boots in about 10 seconds, maybe 15. Supports play store out of the gate. Some software is certainly lacking in terms of his customized solutions like Bluetooth interface for phone. But all in all it's better than anything else I've had the opportunity to play with, (admittedly limited) or researched.
I think this guy needs some growth with his company and some serious feedback and maybe he can get some more talent at his company to create some better software solutions.
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These don't all come with Bluetooth phone and google play store out the box?
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I have seen some where play services implementation is junky and play store won't work at all. Some have it so that you need a spoofing app so that you can download basic apps. I'm sure they all support Bluetooth phone in some capacity or another. The implementation on this device could use some work but purely as a headset it works fine.
Oh and his specs on that page I think are identical for all of the units. So the dvd thing doesn't surprise me. The front end of the business, (store front, manuals, product shots and details) could certainly stand to improve but I'm optimistic.
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If a device says it's running android 4.4.4 or 4.4.2. is it safe to assume I can run store and the phone implementations are functional. I really think I want to go with the 9 inch screen for the Mercedes because I think it looks sweet but not sure how well the quad core r7 stacks to the new quad core r9. It also runs 4.4.2.
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you can check this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pumpkin-Receiver-Bluetooth-Navigation-Subwoofer/dp/B01AXMEAWS/
OS:Android 4.4 Kit Kat
CPU:Rockchip RK3066 Cortex A9 Dual Core 1.6GHz
RAMDR3 1GB
Nand Memory:8GB
Audio output:4*50W max
Screen Resolution:1024*600
Cold Boot time: about 25-30s

Newest android head units

Hi guys!
I am looking for a nice android based radio to my Outlander 2011. I found at least 5 types of design "Fascia change" devices. I think that they are not so popular among people so I have another question. I am looking for 2DIN newest device. Could you please give me a list of 5 newest or best pieces I should consider? It is very important for me to keep steering wheel buttons working and need very good sound quality on built in Rockford Fosgate audio system with external amp and 2-3ohm 8x speakers + woofer. I've heard that some devices not work properly or give not exciting experience.
Thanks a lot!
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If you looking for a Android aftermarket there is no way you can choose with audio like the way you wanted. They're just simply like China Android phone or tablet placed on your car.
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So there is no any bestseller?
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Personally, I'm waiting for the 8 core systems to mature a bit. I have a 4 core, and it's a little sluggish. I find myself having to roll back to 4.4.4 after upgrading to 5.1. Just too slow. The new 8 core systems are out, but it still seems early to make a firm decision. Ownice and Indashnet seem to be the 2 main manufacturers that I've seen. Everyone else does 4 core. Joying has a 2GB Intel based system that kind of rests in the middle, but considering it costs about the same as an octacore, I would rather wait a bit to see which of those the community takes to the most.

I got deeper into those 8 core and they seem to be super crappy as they use extremely slow Allwinner and Mediatek A53 which sucks. Intel in Joying looks interesting but this device has problems with obdii and few other things. I ve seen pumpkin doing also intel device. However maybe some of you know if there is any manufacturer who still has dvd slot with Intel SoFIA and 2GB + USB for pendrive music? Or at least USB.
On the other hand - is it very hard to make car USB in armrest working with such android device?
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Or on the other hand - What about Windows CE 6.0 devices - are they causing less problems? What I need is nice and smooth infotainment system, working steering wheel buttons, bluetooth and usb and fast boot after turning engine on.
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Right now I believe the 2GB Intel Sofia head units with Android 5.1.1 from Joying are the best. There are 8 core units on the way, but who knows if that's one month or six months down the road... There are also some units advertising Android 6, but reports seem to indicate that these are a mess of a mashup between 4.4, 5.1 and 6.0, and not true 6.0 units. As for performance, I'm pretty happy with the Intel unit. I wouldn't use it for gaming, but it does all what I need it to do which is Maps, Spotify, 1080p movies and so forth. Unless you have some specific need for doing something that requires very high performance, it is quite adequate as a head unit in a car.
As for special sound setups, it gives you preamp outputs, 4 channels (FR/FL and RR/RL) as well as a sub output. The sub output isn't really managed though, so no crossover or phase selection on it. You can use these preamp outputs to hook up aftermarket amplifiers, but don't expect the head unit to power big speakers with the internal amplifier.

I didn't read the same things about the 8 core units on here. Many people are saying that the CPUs are a lot faster than the Intel cpus, and at least some of them are running true 6.0, not a mashup. It's legit, but nothing has been rooted and the community is still divided. I've definitely read that the Intel CPUs won't be upgrading past 5.1 because they're no longer supported by the manufacturer as well.
My source is mostly this post, and the thread it's in:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70311462&postcount=12

As far as I know, yes Intel has dropped the Atoms, but Rockchip has taken over the chips and will continue making them and supporting them as per a cooperation agreement with Intel (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip look at the bottom to see Intel Sofia 3G). Intel may have pulled out, but the architecture isn't dead yet. Sure, it may be dying and might not have any new direct successors, but I recon it's time to upgrade the entire head unit long before it reaches the end of its useful lifespan (2-3 years). This will be true for any smart android head unit you buy today anyway..

Do any of the other 2GB RAM Android Head Units available today have a true sleep or suspend (ultra low power mode) that allows the unit to start up instantly like the 2GB Intel Sofia models? To clarify, this instant on feature is not the same as the past Rockchip or other cpu type of Android head units that have options for delayed shutdown of up to two hours or more. This new feature means you do not have to wait 30 to 60 seconds for the system to fully boot after sitting for a few hours or days. IMHO, the instant on feature combined with 2GBs of RAM appears to be the best or one of the best options for Android head units available today. Do the latest Ownice or Indashnet units have this instant on feature? If not, that would be a deal breaker for me, as I have Joying and Hotaudio units that work fine for most part (thanks to the xda firmware developers and contributors here). Nonetheless, these older 1GB RAM Rockchip units could be faster and the boot time is not acceptable in a vehicle.
Moreover, any Android head unit that does not allow for root access would be a complete deal breaker here, no matter how fast... (no root = no purchase). The one thing that concerns me with the 2GB Intel Sofia models is that nobody on xda appears to have found a way to access Recovery yet.
In regard to audio quality, even the 1GB RK3188 JY and HA units sound decent in my Mitsubishi with the correct factory amp adapter wiring kit and the Viper V4A audio mod app.. Please note that I'm not an audiophile by any means, so your mileage will vary.
Anyway, just my 2 cents... and thanks in advance to anyone that can let me know if any of the other Android head units have the instant on feature.
Happy New Year!
R

I recently installed a Joying 2GB RAM intel head unit, and although it is NOT a high powered cpu ( 4cores at 1.1 Ghz) it does seem adequate for its purpose.
Typically I run torque / bluetooth ODBII, dashcam/dvr, music app, tablet talk, read it to me, and google maps at all times. Processor usage is normally in the 50-65% range and it still seems quite snappy. The intel chip does run hot, and thermal throttling can be a issue. I added a big heatsink and fan at the top of the case, problem solved. The instant on works very well. When starting the car it automatically finds my phone, ODBII adapter, and hotspot within a couple of seconds of power on.
It does suck not having any type of recovery such as TWRP. The only way to recover from a non-booting system is a full reload of the stock ROM. It does leave the /data partition so at least all your apps are still there, and most settings can be restored using titanium backup. Just today I updated the boot animation with one I created and it wouldn't boot. It took me about 1 hour to get it restored back. At least it does have root out of the box.
The Joying is my first android based HU, and I'm actually quite impressed with it so far.

Hilari0 said:
As far as I know, yes Intel has dropped the Atoms, but Rockchip has taken over the chips and will continue making them and supporting them as per a cooperation agreement with Intel (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip look at the bottom to see Intel Sofia 3G). Intel may have pulled out, but the architecture isn't dead yet. Sure, it may be dying and might not have any new direct successors, but I recon it's time to upgrade the entire head unit long before it reaches the end of its useful lifespan (2-3 years). This will be true for any smart android head unit you buy today anyway..
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I guess my issue here is that I, also, already have a 1gb 4 core unit. So, for me, I'm looking for a bit of a better upgrade if I'm going to spend another $400 so soon. I am, honestly, hoping for a way to upgrade my current system - I don't think they'll make compatible modules for the Intel or the octa core. That said, I'm going to limp along with my current system as long as I can before making a decision. I think that for those making a decision right this minute, there's a lot to take into consideration. I would seriously recommend avoiding the 1gb RK3066 or RK3188 units at this point, though.

If you have a head unit that works today and you're not in immediate need of a new one today, then you can safely wait and see what the coming months will bring. It seems that the market for these Android units are finally moving away from 1GB ram units, in favor of 2GB ram. At this point, you should avoid everything which only comes with 1GB ram. I never had one, but from what I read they didn't allow much in terms of multitasking. The 2GB units will always perform better than the 1GB units, so the choice is fairly easy there. The benefit from the Joying Intel units, is that they are the only ones I've seen so far which offer 32GB internal storage. I don't understand why in 2016, now 2017 the other manufacturers insist on sticking with 16GB internal storage, but this gives a quite distinctive advantage to Joying. Also the previously mentioned sleep mode where you get true instant on feature is really nice.

Can someone having Rockford in Mitsubishi can tell anything about built in car BT and phone buttons in steering wheel? They still work or at least are used to control phone functions in HU?
What about USB in arnrest and AUX - do they work or is it possible to wire them for working?
Rockford will still have it's power? HU amp is written to have 4x50W while whole system is 8 speakers + 1 woofer altogether 710W. What is rockford's input?
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Hilari0 said:
If you have a head unit that works today and you're not in immediate need of a new one today, then you can safely wait and see what the coming months will bring. It seems that the market for these Android units are finally moving away from 1GB ram units, in favor of 2GB ram. At this point, you should avoid everything which only comes with 1GB ram. I never had one, but from what I read they didn't allow much in terms of multitasking. The 2GB units will always perform better than the 1GB units, so the choice is fairly easy there. The benefit from the Joying Intel units, is that they are the only ones I've seen so far which offer 32GB internal storage. I don't understand why in 2016, now 2017 the other manufacturers insist on sticking with 16GB internal storage, but this gives a quite distinctive advantage to Joying. Also the previously mentioned sleep mode where you get true instant on feature is really nice.
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The 32GB doesn't matter as much to me because I don't install that many apps. I have a 128gb USB stick connected for my music, and I can easily jump that much higher if I need to. 2gb ram is definitely important. The faster the CPU the better, though. My quad core 3188 is sluggish even when I don't have anything loaded and I'm not maxing the RAM.

A mate installed a yum cha Joying JY-135 and it seems ok. Radio signal seems to be weak. It seems to auto connect via bt to a Samsung 6 and starts to play audio but I have to manually press play to start audio on my M9. The screen doesn't dim when you turn the lights on which kind of sucks.
I think for music it should be fine and works well in my mates Nissan. As for me, I'd be using the rca's, just a shame that there's no sub volume control so you'll need a separate sub control knob.

choochee - which car do you have?
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choochee - which car do you have?
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Mates car is a Nissan X-Trail '07. I've got a Subaru Liberty Gen 4. We'll connect it with the proper supplied loom soon, only temp spliced at the moment. Can confirm that hu turns on straight away.

Almost made decision but still need to get sure. There are 2 options with Intel Sofia: pumpkin and joying (2DIN standart) Which one better to choose and why?
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juniorkm7 said:
Can someone having Rockford in Mitsubishi can tell anything about built in car BT and phone buttons in steering wheel? They still work or at least are used to control phone functions in HU?
What about USB in arnrest and AUX - do they work or is it possible to wire them for working?
Rockford will still have it's power? HU amp is written to have 4x50W while whole system is 8 speakers + 1 woofer altogether 710W. What is rockford's input?
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Hi, i have just installed a Joying UL-135N2 in my 2011 Outlander Rockford Navi.
Some part of the installation where quite manageable, but some parts are more complicated.
With the right adaptor, CTSMT002.2 from connects2 the Rockford and the SWC works.
The original BT will not work, but the SWC works with the HU BT functions.
Reverse camera needs 6.8V signal from the HU, so here you need an step-down converter and some soldering.
The USB in the armrest needs an adaptor cable, alternatively you can disassemble the mid console and solder the cable.
I have ordered the step-down and the adaptor cable , but not received yet. I have tested the camera with 6V, but the image quality is poor, hope the 6.8V is better.
Out2011

Pumpkin Android 6.0

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LZJ402H/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I bought this head unit and will have it installed on Friday. Anyone own this unit? Your thoughts on it? I hope a made a good choice buying it. Also anyone know if it can be rooted or not? Thanks

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LZJ402H/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I bought this head unit and will have it installed on Friday. Anyone own this unit? Your thoughts on it? I hope a made a good choice buying it. Also anyone know if it can be rooted or not? Thanks
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Likely. Pumpkin doesn't sign the update images, so you can just root an update and then install it. Thats what I did with the lollipop unit. However, the format used for the lollipop unit was specific to the Rockchip cpu they used. The Marshmallow units use a whole new CPU. I'm guessing you can, I just haven't done it yet.
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I was thinking of buying a similar unit myself.
I like the idea of using android 6 and also the better chipset,bigger rom and ram.
I currently have a android 4.4.4. unit running a custom rom, but there are no roms available that I can find anyway, for the android 6 units yet.
Running a custom rom adds so much more to the unit,leaving that for android 6 is a big decision.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XTRONS-TB...995904?hash=item2efbdc0480:g:iYoAAOSw5cNYiGK1

compbuilds said:
I was thinking of buying a similar unit myself.
I like the idea of using android 6 and also the better chipset,bigger rom and ram.
I currently have a android 4.4.4. unit running a custom rom, but there are no roms available that I can find anyway, for the android 6 units yet.
Running a custom rom adds so much more to the unit,leaving that for android 6 is a big decision.
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I don't care about the custom ROMs so much as being able to get rid of crap I don't want and being able to install Viper4Android. The entire point of running Android in the car is Viper. OMFG it sounds so good. My car is in the shop, and I miss the radio so bad!
In the end, root access means I can support it myself long-term. Oh yeah, and the new Marshmallow units have a smaller screen. I like the bigger resolution, and I don't know that the chipset in those newer units is any better. The Rockchip based systems are at least common and people have some expertise in that area. The new stuff is just a mystery. What is better about the new chipset, other than a smaller screen?
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the unit you have bought has the same size 7" screen as the android 6 model I showed you and you can also get a 10" model so not a smaller screen.
difference in the chipset is quad core to Octocore.
and 1 gig ram to 2 gig ram.
16gig rom to 32gig rom.
there is also a different graphics processor

260 bucks for that one? Sorry to say, but I don't think it's worth it. 1GB ram, 16GB internal storage, Allwinner CPU and a low res 800x480 screen, this was outdated 2 years ago..... If you're still able to return it for a refund, I would highly suggest that you do so and buy a better unit. The one you bought will be frustratingly laggy to use.
Get any head unit with a 1024x600 screen, 2GB ram and either an Intel Sofia CPU or a 8-core PX5 board. They will only cost you 20-30 bucks more, and give you a lot more performance than what that Pumpkin thing will ever do.. It's not all important if it's 5.1.1 or 6.0, it's not a huge update between those, but if it's important to get 6.0 then the best bet is to get a head unit with the PX5 8-core board. Joying sells good Intel based units, and there's a thread here on the forum about the PX5 units from Hot Audio or something like that.

couldn't agree more.
this is what I was trying to tell the user without putting down the unit he has bought.
I'm still pondering to buy the unit I posted the link too, if there were Roms available for android 6 then I wouldn't hesitate at all.
8 core 32gig rom and 2 gig ram.?

Well I'm really bummed out now...can't return it I bought it a while ago..it's getting installed tomorrow in my 2017 Ford Transit work truck along with my JL Amp, 12' JL sub, JL mids and JL Tweeters.. Guess I'll have to use that Pumpkin for a bit...my wife will kill me if I decided to get something else last minute.. Especial for my work truck lol

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Well I'm really bummed out now...can't return it I bought it a while ago..it's getting installed tomorrow in my 2017 Ford Transit work truck along with my JL Amp, 12' JL sub, JL mids and JL Tweeters.. Guess I'll have to use that Pumpkin for a bit...my wife will kill me if I decided to get something else last minute.. Especial for my work truck lol
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Everything you buy is outdated next month! Don't worry much. Personally, I wouldn't get an Intel based CPU for an Android device since there are still ARM-only native-code apps out there. Yes, there is Houdini, but that makes it run ... it doesn't make it run well. Being written in Java would end up being faster than Houdini emulating ARM.
In some cases, I honestly think that an outdated product can be better because there are more people around with expertise (I almost got the KitKat unit for this reason). Its already been hacked and you can root it easier. For me, getting Viper4Android on it was way more important than getting the latest CPU. More cores isn't always faster. Having more RAM won't always help, and having more storage space is often pointless since you are gonna stick an SD card in it anyways. How many apps will you install in the car? Lag? As long as it switches to the next song when I swipe the screen its doing good enough! Soo ... enjoy it. A similar unit from Pioneer or Alphine would cost 4-5 times as much, would have a worse screen, and you wouldn't be able to install your own apps. Enjoy it.
And please STOP calling internal storage ROM. It's no more a ROM than the hard drive in your PC. Calling the OS a "ROM" at least had historical purpose. Calling the internal storage you WRITE to a "Read-Only Memory" just bites my ass. Its from marketing people that don't know the difference between a mouse and a foot switch!
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Which unit to choose? Dasaita or Ownice

Hi everybody
I'm going to order one of these two:
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/4000614373792.html 375€
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/4000248222979.html (K3 HIGH) 331€
Both have integrated DSP and 9 "IPS Display. Dasaita has PX6 chip, 4GB RAM and 64 ROM; Ownice has PX5 chip, 4 Gb RAM and 32 GB ROM.
Regardless of the PX6 processor which is less supported (but in my opinion it will become because the PX5 starts to get old), I'm undecided on which to choose even if I am much more oriented towards Dasaita which seems to me of higher quality.
Do you still confirm that Dasaita is among the best 2din android car radio distributors, even above than Ownice?
Thank you

I can't say which is best since I only have experience with Ownice. What I can say after taking the thing apart is that construction is on par for a Chinese unit and I would't expect any different from Dasaita. I think the difference will be on the update side but again no experience with Dasaita so someone else with a MAX6 would have to comment or you can search for yourself. As far as I know the last MCU update for the K3 dates from October 1st (v3.17).
I'm less than impressed with the EQ app stunt but I have a pro so doesn't matter to me. Also annoying is how they change the specs (the K3Pro is now a PX6) and how outdated the site is (as in they still list units that are not available in the Ali store).
As far as support goes they seem to be good as there is not much request for help here and they seem to be responsive from the feedback. Haven't had to use it so might be a good sign. AFAIK Dasaita has excellent support.
There are custom ROM for both SoC and they're a nice improvement over stock. The one advantage of PX6 is it runs cooler making it appear to be faster than the PX5. The issue is the PX5 is not properly cooled and gets throttled. Once you add a heatsink it runs smoother. The question is does a PX6 perform as well under load with the stock cooling?

Thanks nick2k for your valuable advices. What do you mean by under load at the end of the post? Listening to music with Spotify and using google maps at the same time is it a use that puts the radio under load? I'm not one who twists a lot.

Sorry for the late response. Spotify and Google maps together wouldn't be a great load but adding a visualization widget and a software EQ would start to add up. You also never know what other service is running in the background. Unlike a PC CPU that sits idle most of the time Android devices have a bunch of stuff tracking users and doing who knows what else. It all adds up and the environment also has to be accounted for a hot summer day will cause throttling easier than a cold winter day. I guess you will only find out when you get there but all it might mean is it needs a bugger heatsink.