So this has been happening with my battery lately - it's chugging along no problem, then the second my phone hits 30%, it dies completely, and when you hook it up to a charger, it starts charging from 0%.
This has happened with multiple replacement batteries already. Anyone know what's up?
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Are thos replacement batteries new or used?
heyitsejohn said:
So this has been happening with my battery lately - it's chugging along no problem, then the second my phone hits 30%, it dies completely, and when you hook it up to a charger, it starts charging from 0%.
This has happened with multiple replacement batteries already. Anyone know what's up?
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Was an issue for me back when my battery was bulging. You might want to try and recalibrate the battery if it's new by charging it overnight, if not new then get a new one. If that doesn't help, factory reset. If problem continues, take it to Samsung.
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I had the same exact problem with mu Note 10.1 2014 edition. Then I downloaded a battery calibration app. The one I downloaded is made by a developer by the name NeMa. It worked as stated. Couldn not be happier. But, it needs Root. And does not ask for ridiculous permissions. Give it, or another one a shot and report back.
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Guys, for years now it's been proven that battery calibration is a myth. The act of charging the battery to 100% has the same effect as it does the same thing as a battery calibration app: delete the batterystats.bin file.
The problem is either with the battery or the charging circuit in the phone. Take it to Samsung and have it looked at, because a battery calibration app won't work here, despite claims to the contrary.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Guys, for years now it's been proven that battery calibration is a myth. The act of charging the battery to 100% has the same effect as it does the same thing as a battery calibration app: delete the batterystats.bin file.
The problem is either with the battery or the charging circuit in the phone. Take it to Samsung and have it looked at, because a battery calibration app won't work here, despite claims to the contrary.
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It has been proven as much as evolution. And that is about zero. No proof. It is a theory. Now, you are of the opinion that it is a myth. I am of the persuasion that it is not. Seeing as my Note 10.1, SGS3, and SGS4 all had battery issues for long periods of time. Then I remembered that there is this "myth" called battery calibration. After trying out the "myth", my wife's phone no longer shuts down randomly, my Note 10.1 does not go from 30% to dead instantly and neither does my SGS3. All have batteries that now last exactly as long as the manufacturer specs them out to. And non of them freez up and or shut down any more. All of these devices have been going through these problems for many months now. Tried the "myth". No more problems for this past week. And there are not going to be problems.
So, in my case, the "myth" has gone from the act of being "myth" to fact. Until your device start acting up where battery stats play a roll, then it will stay as such. A myth. Now, if the battery has been through to many charging cycles, then it is probably old and on its way out. In that instance, no battery calibration will bring it back from the state of dying. At that point, it is time to get a new battery.
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I'll take facts over belief any day of the week.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I'll take facts over belief any day of the week.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
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So you belive everything that you see on TV as well? I suppose that the Internet must be God to you. I mean, there is an http link for everything. Must be fact.
How would you like to explain what happen ed d to all three of my devices that were having g battery issues. SGS3, Would charge to 100% drain down rapidly and when it hit 30% it would just shut down.
SGS4, would drain down to nothing at random and shut down at random. Even in the middle of a call. Note 10.1 2014 edition would drain down extremely fast, and I mean fast. It also would shut down. That one I did replace the battery on. And it still did it. All of these problems have persisted for several months now. Only a week ago did I try the calibration method. Which I am aware, using an app is the short way around deleting the file for the battery. At any rate, all devices are back to normal operations. By the way, I put the old battery back into my Note 10.1, and did the recalibration. AL is well with it also. But, the Internet must be telling the truth. Plain and simple, calibration will not fix a broken battery. It will however reset the part on the system that reads the battery correct and tell the OS what to do with those numbers. In the case of the case of these, my devices, there are no more shut downs happening. Or was all that in my head for months? Probably just a placebo effect? Yeah, that's what it was. The Internet says so. Lol! I'm going to put up a link to a YouTube video that shows that horses are pink.
http://youtu.be/bE4JqBAKy2E
Oh snap! It must be true. There is an http.
Oh mighty Internet God we worship you! Lol!
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By the way, I am just having fun with you and bust your chops. Lol! But I still stand by my statements of calibration. It works in some scenarios. Particularly when switching ROMs.
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On my old Gingerbread device, I used Nema's Battery Calibration app. Once I read the information from the Google engineer in the link I provided, I stopped, and haven't touched a battery calibration app since. In my experience, calibrating the battery is a needless step, because you aren't actually doing anything to the battery itself or the circuitry within it. For example, you mention using it after changing ROMs. Why? My battery life has not been affected from all the ROM switches I've made in the last year, and I've made plenty of them.
If a battery calibration app were to actually recondition the battery, then I would say such an app is useful. Instead, you have a placebo effect brought about by an app that does nothing that Android itself doesn't already do. So why waste the time, the energy, and the (minuscule) storage space?
Google make Android. So if they say that batterystats.bin has no effect on actual battery life and such, then it must be true. I mean they are the ones who made the damn file, they should know what it relates to.
The reason why your 3 devices worked again after a battery calibration might be something else. Maybe the app you used did something else other than just delete batterystats.bin file.
I also used to calibrate my battery on my old Gingerbread device. But honestly, I didn't see any improvement in battery life by doing this. Nor did I see any worsening in the battery life or sudded death by not calibrating.
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Google make Android. So if they say that batterystats.bin has no effect on actual battery life and such, then it must be true. I mean they are the ones who made the damn file, they should know what it relates to.
The reason why your 3 devices worked again after a battery calibration might be something else. Maybe the app you used did something else other than just delete batterystats.bin file.
I also used to calibrate my battery on my old Gingerbread device. But honestly, I didn't see any improvement in battery life by doing this. Nor did I see any worsening in the battery life or sudded death by not calibrating.
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First, Google did not make Android. They purchased it and now modify it. But that is besides the point.
Sorry, but the app that I used did one thing and one thing only. And that was clear the file. It did nothing else. Can you tell me what if not battery stats, would make all three of my devices behave properly? Because I would love to know, as would the rest of the community. I seriously do not particularly care what Google stated. I care what was happening with my devices. And they were not working. I used an app to clear a file that has to do with the batteries. All of my devices work exactly as they should. Google can tell me that all rainbows are silver. But, my devices are not telling me one thing about my batteries while something else is the case. And my devices are not shutting down on their own either. So, 3-4 months of serious charging, readouts , and performance issues all cleared up after the use of an app. I am confident coincidence is not the case. But thank you for your disbelief in something. Absolutely appreciated. Plain and simple people, if you are having batteries issues. Try the simplest method. A calibration app. If it works, then great. If not, move on to the next step. Try different charger and or cable. If that fails, chances are that the battery is on its last leg. Replace it. Nothing more, nothing less. Zero arguments to be had. Nothing to prove. Or disprove. If any one is of the persuasion that a calibration app is a waste of time, don't use one. Also a simple thing to not do.
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It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
It has no impact on your battery life.
Deleting it is not going to do anything to make your more device more fantastic and wonderful... well, unless you have some deep hatred for seeing anything shown in the battery usage UI. And anyway, it is reset every time you unplug from power with a relatively full charge (thus why the battery usage UI data resets at that point), so this would be a much easier way to make it go away.
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So now I can uninstall Battery Calibration app with no regrets
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So now I can uninstall Battery Calibration app with no regrets
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any hint? what are those apps supposed to do & did they to that for true?
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any hint? what are those apps supposed to do & did they to that for true?
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Those apps just delete data/system/batterystats.bin file, which, accordingly to +Dianne Hackborn: "has no impact on the current battery level shown to you" and "has no impact on your battery life"
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So now I can uninstall Battery Calibration app with no regrets
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Yup, I did after reading her post. All the battery stats are used for is to show which apps have been using your battery under Battery Usage.
That's a nice find. So all these while it was just a placebo :|
I laugh at everyone who used all these things and said it worked lol. I never had any luck erasing or using any battery calibration app so I figured it made no difference and when this article hit a few days ago it just confirmed it for me
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when i rebooted manually yesterday with 8% battery left and booted up with 53% battery, you want me to believe that theres no reason to delete my batterystats.bin? well i deleted it and rebooted again, booted up at 8%. in a perfect world there might not be any reasons, but ever since my first android(g1 oct 2008) and every android device ive owned since, the batterystats.bin file has always lost accuracy with a short amount of time. and it seems that deleting the file and rebooting has been the only thing to make it accurate again.
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the batterystats.bin file has always lost accuracy with a short amount of time. and it seems that deleting the file and rebooting has been the only thing to make it accurate again.
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Did you bother to follow the link? Did you even read the OP?
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
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Let me repeat that in case you missed it:
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
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Did you bother to follow the link? Did you even read the OP?
Let me repeat that in case you missed it:
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oh, i did follow the link, and posted there too. and read that post the day it was posted. thanks for assuming. and btw, did you read my post? i didnt say that deleting it had an impact right away, i said it had an impact after rebooting.
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This isn't my first Android phone (I've had a Nexus One, HTC EVO, Epic 4G, and some crappy Motorola) and I've never touched the battery stats. Never noticed any issues because of it.
Ryjabo said:
This isn't my first Android phone (I've had a Nexus One, HTC EVO, Epic 4G, and some crappy Motorola) and I've never touched the battery stats. Never noticed any issues because of it.
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keep an eye on your battery levels the next few times you reboot or flash something. and check out this thread from today, the op has an issue, sound familiar? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449470
How many times have reps for companies given incorrect information? In the asus transformer prime forum there is a thread where an Asus customer service person said ics wasn't released for the prime, yet everyone is getting the ota for it.
I'm of the "I've owned more than 1 android phone and a battery calibration has never done anything" persuasion. It just never has. Users who get great battery life either have great signals or don't use their phone. Owning multiple chargers/batteries is the best way to ensure your phone has juice.
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keep an eye on your battery levels the next few times you reboot or flash something. and check out this thread from today, the op has an issue, sound familiar? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449470
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I agree. I don't think anyone states it actually "improves" battery life, it just helps ur phone be as accurate as possible so you don't has inconsistent battery levels. There's no way any fellow flash addicts have not experienced battery level inconsistencies after flashing roms. It happens to me all the time
Take at look at the steep drop in the graph. I'm pretty sure wiping battery stats is purely meant to correct that issue as opposed to actually increasing battery life
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I agree. I don't think anyone states it actually "improves" battery life, it just helps ur phone be as accurate as possible so you don't has inconsistent battery levels. There's no way any fellow flash addicts have not experienced battery level inconsistencies after flashing roms. It happens to me all the time
Take at look at the steep drop in the graph. I'm pretty sure wiping battery stats is purely meant to correct that issue as opposed to actually increasing battery life
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As she noted, the battery stats file has NOTHING to do with your battery level or percentage. Now, its possible that you're right and she's wrong but I tend to believe the person that has actually helped DEVELOP Android versus personal anecdotes and intuitions.
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As she noted, the battery stats file has NOTHING to do with your battery level or percentage. Now, its possible that you're right and she's wrong but I tend to believe the person that has actually helped DEVELOP Android versus personal anecdotes and intuitions.
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Ha well I don't know if I'm right I'm just giving my two cents
I don't think I've EVER wiped my battery stats
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How many times have reps for companies given incorrect information? In the asus transformer prime forum there is a thread where an Asus customer service person said ics wasn't released for the prime, yet everyone is getting the ota for it.
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This isn't a "rep". I would think the Android Framework Engineer knows what she is talking about.
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How many times have reps for companies given incorrect information? In the asus transformer prime forum there is a thread where an Asus customer service person said ics wasn't released for the prime, yet everyone is getting the ota for it.
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#fail
It is not a rep...it is a real engineer at Google Android, never saw the google+ link?
yep, quite believe it...never....ever wiped stats.
Fully charging the phone - firstly powered on, then off a few times, sorts the calibration.
And no...you don't damage the battery by fully charging powered on and off - they've made these batteries more intelligent than their gullible owners.
Last night before going to bed I decided to turn my tablet off (it was around 45% battery left). When I tried to turn it on this morning, it was dead; no response. So I plugged it in and after a few minutes it booted up. I went to the battery settings and saw that it dropped off to dead pretty much instantly. Here's a screenshot after charging for a few hours.
Does anyone know how this happened, if it can happen again, or if it was just a random occurrence?
I'm on stock 4.2.2 rooted, and the only app I installed yesterday was "avast!" security to try it out.
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Last night before going to bed I decided to turn my tablet off (it was around 45% battery left). When I tried to turn it on this morning, it was dead; no response. So I plugged it in and after a few minutes it booted up. I went to the battery settings and saw that it dropped off to dead pretty much instantly. Here's a screenshot after charging for a few hours.
Does anyone know how this happened, if it can happen again, or if it was just a random occurrence?
I'm on stock 4.2.2 rooted, and the only app I installed yesterday was "avast!" security to try it out.
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Same thing just happened to me only I had more than 45% and was using it at the time. The screen would flicker every time I would touch it and keep flickering for about 3 secs if I swiped to change home screens. Display went dark and was unresponsive. After plugging it in it finally booted and said I was at 0% battery.
OP: it could be a problem with the reported charge left in the battery, or a hardware defect that is grounding to the chassis and then through you that is sucking all the charge out. No app or anything can possibly drain the battery that fast, even at max load and max CPU speed constantly. The only way charge can leave a device that abrupt and by that large an amount is by a short somewhere in the hardware.
Vindico: sounds like a definite hardware problem to me and the tablet should be replaced. As I said above, there is no possible way in all of electronics and physics for a battery to be drained that fast and suddenly with our hardware in any situation other than a short in the hardware.
45% of charge loss in a few minutes is simply not possible without huge amounts of heat being generated... I assume the calibration or measurement is completely off... Or do you see bubbles coming out of your Nexus 10? :laugh:
I've had this happen to me twice, each around the same 45%. Except i must have caught it pretty much soon after it happened because the tablet was really hot each time, and took about 5 minutes of being plugged in before the charging icon would come up.
This happened to me today, and it happened 2 weeks ago.
While I don't have any technical advice to give, I purchased my tablet in December and Google is replacing my tablet free of charge.
Samsungs quality control on this thing has been pathetic. Here's hoping I get a better copy next time.
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Have you tried clearing Battery stats? You should give it a shot, I have had a similar problem with my Galaxy S2 & S3.. It was fixed after i cleared the stats.
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Have you tried clearing Battery stats? You should give it a shot, I have had a similar problem with my Galaxy S2 & S3.. It was fixed after i cleared the stats.
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Probably a coincidence. Android generates battery stats on boot always. Clearing them does absolutely nothing. That is straight from what Google said when it was all the rage to clear your battery stats when flashing a new ROM or kernel years ago.
Well I think its more of a reportage problem... I have this new nexus 10 which is showing the same problem..
Once my tablet screen flickered and went off... And it responded only after 10-15 min of charging...
Now also at times the battery status will get stuck at some particular percentage and wont update automatically however a reboot will set things straight...
Overall battery life is not diminished so the other scenario of battery being rapidly depleted due to some hardware is quite unlikely...
Besides the whole time the battery was stuck at one particular percentage was when i was actively using it and screen was on... So ideally the battery should have drained during this time...
Bringing this back to life, mine just died at 50%
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I have the same problem. Battery is 100%, I disconnect charger and then few seconds/minutes and reset. After reboot it stop at X sign and reset again and again, and again.
When I connect charger Nexus can boot but it shows 0% empty battery! After few seconds/minutes battery shows 100% again.
So I think that my battery is broken (or battery controller at least).
In my opinion Nexus 10 has very poor quality during production (reboots, battery problem, heating problem etc.). So I'll never ever buy a Android tablet again, especially a Nexus line or from Samsung. It is unacceptable for me to sell product with so many bugs.
I just charged to full while the device was off and plugged in, and deleted the battery stats. I'll report how it goes.
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No change after deleting battery stats, still shut down at ~32%.
Time for a warranty.
Exact same issue, 2 days in a row :/ Every time it reaches around 50% it powers off and won't turn back on without the charger :/ What do I do? I only got this on Wednesday!
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Ughhh just had this happen to me. Hit 32% and boom shut off. Really lime the tablet but this is kind of a deal breaker. Anymore news of a fix. I'm running AOKP 4.2 right now.
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Ughhh just had this happen to me. Hit 32% and boom shut off. Really lime the tablet but this is kind of a deal breaker. Anymore news of a fix. I'm running AOKP 4.2 right now.
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Not sure about an actual fix, outside of a battery replacement, etc.
Mine is currently at Samsung for repairs, which has been "fun". I started by sending it in after describing the problem as "while discharging, the battery will drain as it should to about 50%, then immediately to 0% and the tablet shuts off saying the battery is dead". The original call taker, who was really nice, took it as a "charging problem" and didn't say anything to me. The repair status tracking online just said "component replaced" so I decided to call. Turns out they just replaced the charging port, nothing else. Not going to fix my problem though. So, I re-explained the problem and the nice lady said that she should transfer me to advanced tech support. Sweet! Finally someone who knows the issue! WOOT!! Someone named Robert totally understood the problem, put me on hold, and came back and said "Okay, so, just to make sure we really get the problem fixed, I'm having them replace the whole motherboard, battery, and the connection terminals that the battery hooks to" (I forgot the name). "We're taking the shotgun approach here, so hopefully it'll fix your problem. I'm also writing a better description of the light leak in the bottom corner, and having them expedite the repair since it's been here for 5 days already".
Robert, you sir, are my hero today.
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Not sure about an actual fix, outside of a battery replacement, etc.
Mine is currently at Samsung for repairs, which has been "fun". I started by sending it in after describing the problem as "while discharging, the battery will drain as it should to about 50%, then immediately to 0% and the tablet shuts off saying the battery is dead". The original call taker, who was really nice, took it as a "charging problem" and didn't say anything to me. The repair status tracking online just said "component replaced" so I decided to call. Turns out they just replaced the charging port, nothing else. Not going to fix my problem though. So, I re-explained the problem and the nice lady said that she should transfer me to advanced tech support. Sweet! Finally someone who knows the issue! WOOT!! Someone named Robert totally understood the problem, put me on hold, and came back and said "Okay, so, just to make sure we really get the problem fixed, I'm having them replace the whole motherboard, battery, and the connection terminals that the battery hooks to" (I forgot the name). "We're taking the shotgun approach here, so hopefully it'll fix your problem. I'm also writing a better description of the light leak in the bottom corner, and having them expedite the repair since it's been here for 5 days already".
Robert, you sir, are my hero today.
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Who did you contact for repair? There was nothing in my warranty book about who to contact. The pay store said to contact Samsung directly for the nexus 10
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Okay I had the same problem that everybody else here has had. I have reflashed the stock rom and unrooted and locked my Nexus and everything seems to be working perfectly since then. No more reboots freezes or incredibly large battery dropping since then.
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So I was posting some info in another thread but I figured I would make my own thread for it. It seems like the power consumption at idle might be the cause for the "not as good as expected" battery life. For example my G3 will sit off the charger for 4 hours without being used and still be at 100%, the Turbo loses 6% in that time. The G3 has a 3000mAH Battery and I could easily get 24h of off the charger time on the G3. My question is what is killing the battery on the Turbo??? Its kinda hard to look over the battery stats when there is no root. Anyone have any input?
I think it's because of the wifi. I too have experienced crazy idle drain compared to my G2 and it's really making me regret getting this phone. It seems like they just slapped the kitkat ROM together and didn't really care to test it very well because Lollipop is coming out so soon.
It's definitely draining at idle more than usual or should be, I agree. I don't think it is WiFi related though, or at least not enough to be the main problem. I could be wrong of course. I have also not experience any WiFi or Bluetooth issues whatsoever and I use a Moto 360 all day, every day.
I am currently on my 4th charge cycle since acquiring the 64GB BN model. It's been powered on for 7h 32m and I'm sitting at 78% with 1hr 18m SoT. That's with heavy usage and taking quite a bit of pictures & video during this mornings product demo presentations at work.
Hardly anything for me personally to complain about. I'm sure they will optimize it. I'm almost certain than Android L 5.0 will make this phone a true beast.
Time will tell.
are you leaving gps or high accuracy location settings on?
I have the same issue as the OP. My G3 lost very little battery life when idling. I've attempted shutting down email accounts, turning off location and selectively removing apps in hopes of determining the cause of the drain...without success. This could be a deal breaker if we don't get some type of root exploit soon.
Well this sucks. I was going to get the Turbo but now I'm going to wait and see what happens with this drain issue. Maybe 5.0 will fix it.
I have been using the same settings that I did on my G3, Auto brightness, Location OFF and Auto Sync. Glad I'm not the only one noticing it too, I think its all in the build of Kit Kat they put on this phone, hopefully L comes out soon.
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So I was posting some info in another thread but I figured I would make my own thread for it. It seems like the power consumption at idle might be the cause for the "not as good as expected" battery life. For example my G3 will sit off the charger for 4 hours without being used and still be at 100%, the Turbo loses 6% in that time. The G3 has a 3000mAH Battery and I could easily get 24h of off the charger time on the G3. My question is what is killing the battery on the Turbo??? Its kinda hard to look over the battery stats when there is no root. Anyone have any input?
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How about you start by posting screenshots of your battery stats from System...Battery
I don't have any issues whatsoever.
Well once I figure out how to do that I will post it, but in the mean time what phone were you coming from? A few people have agreed in this post that the battery life is worse @ idle then the G3 so its not just me.
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Well once I figure out how to do that I will post it, but in the mean time what phone were you coming from? A few people have agreed in this post that the battery life is worse @ idle then the G3 so its not just me.
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Well G3 could be out of box, not trying to argue wanted to understand what your problem was. If you press the graph you'll see more details on what is using batteries (awake vs screen on, cell signal etc) and more in Android System if you go into that screen.
Overall what your getting .. 1-2% is not a big deal to me and beauty of the massive battery is you don't have to worry about but if really wanted to you could improve by turning off stuff you don't need or even automating it.
FWIW I'm coming from a GS3 with a tiny battery but even that phone lasted 5 days idling with the right setting for my use case (cell radio off / WiFi on). With Turbo just disabled some apps I didn't need and don't even think about it any more. I do have complaints about the Turbo but battery is definitely not one of them.
I'm interested in this as well. I bought my turbo yesterday evening and it had a pretty good charge (>80%) out of the box. I played with it for much of the evening and copied ~8gb of data to the phone via wifi. When I went to bed battery was at 60%, when I woke up it was 46%. I noticed that my third biggest battery use is command center, so I disabled auto-location in that app. I'm hoping to have better results on my first full charge.
Yeah I agree, but its literally the same settings I ran of my G3. I think I'm just gonna return it between the weak wifi and cell signal, and the camera it's just not worth it if the battery life isn't better then my G3
I've been posting in the other battery life thread... but to summarize, I'm going to be doing some thorough testing over the next 24/48 hours (currently ongoing).
I have already noticed significant improvements in my battery life. Has mentioned in the other thread. I'll be making a detailed post on Friday evening with my results.
I may also, from time to time post some of my progress, as I already have an understanding as to one of the issues involved with the so called "idle drain" everyone is referring to, and it is NOT WiFi.
Keep your eyes on that thread here.
Thanks, I'm pretty good with understanding wake locks, I just don't know where to start without root since most the stats in BB require it. I'm intrested to see what you come up with. I'm gonna wait till Saturday anyway to see if I still want to trade this in for the nexus.
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I'm gonna wait till Saturday anyway to see if I still want to trade this in for the nexus.
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Is there a hard date for the nexus?
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Andromjb said:
I've been posting in the other battery life thread... but to summarize, I'm going to be doing some thorough testing over the next 24/48 hours (currently ongoing).
I have already noticed significant improvements in my battery life. Has mentioned in the other thread. I'll be making a detailed post on Friday evening with my results.
I may also, from time to time post some of my progress, as I already have an understanding as to one of the issues involved with the so called "idle drain" everyone is referring to.
Keep your eyes on that thread here.
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Very interested in what you come up with, thanks!
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Thanks, I'm pretty good with understanding wake locks, I just don't know where to start without root since most the stats in BB require it. I'm intrested to see what you come up with. I'm gonna wait till Saturday anyway to see if I still want to trade this in for the nexus.
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Well you are limited with what you can do but I already gave you a start in my post, maybe you missed it. The only insight you will have without root (for tools like Better Battery Stats) is looking into all the info you can get out of Settings..Battery. There you can see wake locks vs screen on time and other stats like cell signal / wifi status etc. Then you can also dive into your biggest usage, for you it looks like it is Android System. They will list system services that are classified here. For example, you'll see the moto features are part of this. If you don't want to dig you can wait for Andromjb's updates
Overall I wouldn't base your decision to return the Turbo based on the battery -- base it on your other problems it sounds like you're having with wifi signal etc. That sounds like reason enough for a return. If you're ok with the larger size of the Nexus 6 then to me it's a no brainer to go with that instead of Droid Turbo since they are almost identical in terms of hardware.
For those that are getting battery drain, did you disable all of the verizon apps? There are some 20+ apps that are constantly running in the background and will drain your battery(even after i did a factory reset, these apps were sending data despite me never having opened them). Disable those, restart, then see if things change over the next cycle. I got 2d9hr31m and 4hr23 min of SOT(minimal usage) and was at 13%; this was on the first charge.
Could this drain be due to some of the sensors used for notifications. Doesn't the turbo have the feature where you stick your hand over it and it shows the notifications? If this is the case, wouldn't those sensors have to stay on?
Yeah I have 27 apps disabled and it really didn't make a difference for me like it has in the past, their must be something killing the battery on this 30m of screen time and I'm at 79% shouldn't be happening.
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Yeah I have 27 apps disabled and it really didn't make a difference for me like it has in the past, their must be something killing the battery on this 30m of screen time and I'm at 79% shouldn't be happening.
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Thats actually really interesting. I haven't been experiencing anything like that. Perhaps try doing a factory reset then disabling them again. That's the only thing I did differently. Perhaps it's just a bad device? I'm already at 2hrs screen time, heavy downloading(off line apps), and have been on battery for 1d8hr- still at 45%. Is there anything in the battery stats? Wake locks perhaps?
I've got this weird battery level increase every time after usage period and when phone is in standby. Long ago I had something similar with a cheap "original" battery from amazon which was surely a product falsification. But the battery I'm using now I purchased directly from Samsung online shop and it worked flawlessly for over half a year. About a year ago I switched to a S5 and didn't use the S4 that much anymore.
What I did so far:
- I calibrated the battery (guide by @lawyer_06)
- did couples 0 to 100% charging
- cleared system cache
- updated rom to latest (TW deodexed/stock kernel)
-> nothing changed
Any Ideas what's going on here?
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The battery percentage display is an approximation of the battery level, it's not the actual level.
With high usage it may start to approximate it wrongly, but in the standby phase it will start slowly going back to a value closest the the actual level.
Doing the 100-0 discharge is most damaging. If you want to keep this battery for a longer time, then stop.
Also, this is completely normal. Happens on my phone which runs the same battery I bought it from the store with, and the same happened on my previous phone which also used the original battery it was bought it (and it wasn't a Samsung).
Just to add, battery calibration routines don't do anything except waste battery cycles: they only delete batterystats.bin, which is deleted anyway when the battery is fully charged. Stop trying to calibrate the battery.
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Doing the 100-0 discharge is most damaging. If you want to keep this battery for a longer time, then stop.
Also, this is completely normal. Happens on my phone which runs the same battery I bought it from the store with, and the same happened on my previous phone which also used the original battery it was bought it (and it wasn't a Samsung).
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Partially disagree:
Sometimes a 0 to 100% charging IS necessary to get a "digital reset", means the bat controlling system driver and the bat hardware need to be synchronised from time to time, especially when you sometimes take out the bat or even replace it with another one. And I really don't agree that this behaviour is "normal", I really never ever had s'thing like this with none of my Galaxy S phones (2-5) when using a original bat.
But thanks anyways for your thoughts.
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Just to add, battery calibration routines don't do anything except waste battery cycles:...
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All the same what I wrote above to you. But thanks.
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Partially disagree:
Sometimes a 0 to 100% charging IS necessary to get a "digital reset", means the bat controlling system driver and the bat hardware need to be synchronised from time to time, especially when you sometimes take out the bat or even replace it with another one. And I really don't agree that this behaviour is "normal", I really never ever had s'thing like this with none of my Galaxy S phones (2-5) when using a original bat.
But thanks anyways for your thoughts.
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I've never had to synchronize anything. Is there any actual evidence to what you're saying?
I've taken my battery out many times, and I even had 2 batteries that I alternated between at some point.
And does this problem bother you that much? I already told you it has happened on 2 of my phones, both of which used the factory original battery.
Maybe you have never paid attention to it before.
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All the same what I wrote above to you. But thanks.
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Then you're a fool. Lithium ion batteries don't need calibration. The circuitry within the battery is designed to not only ensure the battery doesn't overcharge, but also that the battery's cells charge evenly. Claiming the battery needs "synchronization" is a load of horse crap, in that it's justification to treat the battery like an old NiCd.
Whatever. You go ahead and waste your time, and shorten the life of your battery. Perhaps on your next phone you'll get a clue.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Then you're a fool. Lithium ion batteries don't need calibration. The circuitry within the battery is designed to not only ensure the battery doesn't overcharge, but also that the battery's cells charge evenly. Claiming the battery needs "synchronization" is a load of horse crap, in that it's justification to treat the battery like an old NiCd.
Whatever. You go ahead and waste your time, and shorten the life of your battery. Perhaps on your next phone you'll get a clue.
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Sorry, but your comments are a bit off topic. It's the battery LEVEL INCREASE in standby what's irritating me and what's surely not meant to be like this. You just have to READ what I'm describing here. No need to be rude, I'm neither. [emoji6]
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I've never had to synchronize anything. Is there any actual evidence to what you're saying?
I've taken my battery out many times, and I even had 2 batteries that I alternated between at some point.
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I've expierienced quite a few times that battery level isn't calculated correctly AFTER doing things like this in row: flashing something with odin that goes wrong somehow, getting bootloop afterwards, no buttons work so taking out the bat for reset, flash something else to fix the boot problem and so on - after such procedure I sometimes had inconsistent battery stat, so that the phone i.e. shut down while showing 10%.
And concerning "original" batteries, I can tell you that the leading german computer magazine (c't) discovered in 2016 that so called "original" Samsung batteries that are sold at the german amazon/am.marketplace are up to 80% (!!) product falsifications from China. This "copies" have reached a such incredible high level of professionality that even for experts it's really hard to identify them as fakes. The only secure way to get a 100% original one is from the Samsung online shop. I had such a fake too and wondered why this bat life was so bad + this wierd battery behaviour I'm talking about here. But this time it's different cause the bat I'm using atm is surely a original one.
https://m.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...ef=https://duckduckgo.com/&wt_t=1489485953395
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I've expierienced quite a few times that battery level isn't calculated correctly AFTER doing things like this in row: flashing something with odin that goes wrong somehow, getting bootloop afterwards, no buttons work so taking out the bat for reset, flash something else to fix the boot problem and so on - after such procedure I sometimes had inconsistent battery stat, so that the phone i.e. shut down while showing 10%.
And concerning "original" batteries, I can tell you that the leading german computer magazine (c't) discovered in 2016 that so called "original" Samsung batteries that are sold at the german amazon/am.marketplace are up to 80% (!!) product falsifications from China. This "copies" have reached a such incredible high level of professionality that even for experts it's really hard to identify them as fakes. The only secure way to get a 100% original one is from the Samsung online shop. I had such a fake too and wondered why this bat life was so bad + this wierd battery behaviour I'm talking about here. But this time it's different cause the bat I'm using atm is surely a original one.
https://m.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...ef=https://duckduckgo.com/&wt_t=1489485953395
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The battery I'm using now is 100% original. I bought the phone brand new back in 2014 from a renown electronics store here in my country.
This self charging phenomenon doesn't happen only when the battery is in the phone. I mentioned that I used to alternate between two batteries, right?
Well, while stock battery was out, and secondary battery was in the phone, the stock battery used to have up to 10% more charge than when I did the switch.
So if I switched it at 50%, when I switched back it had 60%.
Someone once said that it's a sign of a healthy battery. I don't know about this. But you should stop worrying about it, I'm telling you it's normal.
Or you can have it your way and do a couple of more software changes, ROM changes, battery changes and whatever else, until you come to the realization that there's nothing wrong with it.
The only time you should be concerned, in my opinion, is when your phone shuts down prematurely.
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....until you come to the realization that there's nothing wrong with it.
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I'm not "worried", I just want a reliable status that I ALWAYS had before. I guess there's something broken either in software, blootloader or hardware. The issue even persists with another orig bat a friend gave me yesterday and no matter which rom, TW or cm12, 13 that I tested in the meantime.
So, it seems like my battery isn't quite behaving itself. I've turned of Moto Display, underclock GPU to 300mhz, and switched to 1080p instead of 1440p, used Amplify to control wakelocks and Greenify to hibernate things that like to run in the background. I have never gotten more than about 1hr30min of screen time. My phone stays relatively cool unless I'm playing a lot of games or watching a lot of videos on YouTube. I have a handful of xposed plugins (Amplify, GravityBox, Greenify, NougatNavigation Bar (I like the solid icons rather than the lines that comes with stock N) and Status Bar Cleanup).
Anyone think I should get a new battery? Not under warranty, so I can't do anything via that route.
Also, is eBay a good enough place to find a replacement battery as long as I make sure it's not a counterfeit?
Thanks everyone for any help.
Can you be more specific what you mean by your battery not behaving itself? Random shut down or at any particular battery level? Sudden drop off battery percentage ofb10% or more shortly after charger disconnect? Has the unusual battery occurred after any specific updates to any of your apps? Have you tried a factory reset (I know it's painful but it does help on occasion)? Just throwing it out there.
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So, it seems like my battery isn't quite behaving itself. I've turned of Moto Display, underclock GPU to 300mhz, and switched to 1080p instead of 1440p,
It doesn't make difference - restore default,
used Amplify to control wakelocks and Greenify to hibernate things that like to run in the background.
Doesn't work good on Nougat - you can use "background permission setter" app & "link2sd" for disable some apps
I have never gotten more than about 1hr30min of screen
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Standard is ~3-4 hours of SOT with any rom or kernel.
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Look into this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/help/strange-battery-behavior-following-t3716055
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Standard is ~3-4 hours of SOT with any rom or kernel.
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I rarely ever got 3 hours... GSAM's average SOT over time was about 2h 20m... Although I did have occasional instances with 4 hours (on WiFi, reading, at night, very low drainage usage). Not really the point though
Should you replace the battery, well, from what you say it sounds like it is due... The real problem is getting a quality replacement. You can find a ton of them on eBay or other online markets, but most users here will tell you that you can't get an OEM battery any more no matter what the seller says, they just don't exist, and most of the ones that state "new" are just knock-offs or batteries for other devices that are re-purposed (and often of lower capacity). There is a serious market for cell phone batteries, and there are lots of counterfeits out and just out-right lies there, so the real problem is getting a good replacement battery. It is literally luck...
Remember, this device is 2.5 years old... Meaning most batteries for it were likely made prior to that. Although I paint a gloomy picture (it is a bit gloomy) there has to be some decent ones out there, but expect to pay $20+ and it will still be a crap shoot. Remember that when replacing the battery in this device, it isn't the easiest so do your homework. You will likely want a new back cover assembly (door and adhesive) as well because a good majority of the time they get destroyed when performing the operation.
Oh, and before you go down this road I suggest wiping your device... everything... and set it back up with the absolute bare minimum stuff (don't install anything if possible) for a couple days and retest your SOT. Not saying that's the case here, but Nougat's battery/app management is pretty good and we have seen more and more tales of things like Greenify/Amplify and other tweaks for helping battery life having the opposite effect, with some people noting the more they try to tweak it the worse it gets. Just a thought...
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Can you be more specific what you mean by your battery not behaving itself? Random shut down or at any particular battery level? Sudden drop off battery percentage ofb10% or more shortly after charger disconnect? Has the unusual battery occurred after any specific updates to any of your apps? Have you tried a factory reset (I know it's painful but it does help on occasion)? Just throwing it out there.
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Quite a few times my battery would drop ~5-6% just after I remove it from the charger (regular USB power, not the turbo charger). I have tried a factory once and I let the battery do the "break in" period just to see if the battery was calibrated or not. So far it seems it is calibrated...I've also tried draining the battery until it my it shuts off, then using the turbo charger and letting it sit for like ~8 hours (I forget where I saw that specific bit of advice. It was in response to someone else posting...I don't even remember where. Possibly XDA, not 100% sure).
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I found my capacity to be 3034mAh...which is....quite odd. My battery isn't even fully charged.
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I rarely ever got 3 hours... GSAM's average SOT over time was about 2h 20m... Although I did have occasional instances with 4 hours (on WiFi, reading, at night, very low drainage usage). Not really the point though
Should you replace the battery, well, from what you say it sounds like it is due... The real problem is getting a quality replacement. You can find a ton of them on eBay or other online markets, but most users here will tell you that you can't get an OEM battery any more no matter what the seller says, they just don't exist, and most of the ones that state "new" are just knock-offs or batteries for other devices that are re-purposed (and often of lower capacity). There is a serious market for cell phone batteries, and there are lots of counterfeits out and just out-right lies there, so the real problem is getting a good replacement battery. It is literally luck...
Remember, this device is 2.5 years old... Meaning most batteries for it were likely made prior to that. Although I paint a gloomy picture (it is a bit gloomy) there has to be some decent ones out there, but expect to pay $20+ and it will still be a crap shoot. Remember that when replacing the battery in this device, it isn't the easiest so do your homework. You will likely want a new back cover assembly (door and adhesive) as well because a good majority of the time they get destroyed when performing the operation.
Oh, and before you go down this road I suggest wiping your device... everything... and set it back up with the absolute bare minimum stuff (don't install anything if possible) for a couple days and retest your SOT. Not saying that's the case here, but Nougat's battery/app management is pretty good and we have seen more and more tales of things like Greenify/Amplify and other tweaks for helping battery life having the opposite effect, with some people noting the more they try to tweak it the worse it gets. Just a thought...
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I actually tried to replace the battery once and I did such a terrible job that I ruined the contact points on the ribbon that connects to the main board. I wish I could get a new phone (like a Pixel 2) but I have nowhere near enough income or funds set aside for that. Maybe later this year...hopefully...and not necessarily a Pixel 2 but something that runs very close to stock AOSP. I would definitely miss the 2 front facing speakers on anything else. I saw ZTE Axon 7 and the Razer phone has them too...but no idea how close they are to stock AOSP. Maybe I'll take the plunge into flashing the stock Nougat images and let it be naked for a few days. That sure would be annoying...but if it helps my MXPE survive in good shape until I can afford another phone I'm all in.
Thanks everyone for the help! I'll look into my options and hopefully I can get a bit more time out of this phone until I can afford a newer one that doesn't have the stupid Snapdragon 808. I shake my fist at thee, battery hog!
I'm on Nougat stock and I keep getting battery down at 25-35% regularely. I can see that when I put phone in charge after it shuts down percentage charge numbers start where power down happened at 25-35% Tried a battery calibrate weeks ago with a play store app. At first looked like it got fixed but just for a day or so and back with same problem. Also SoT is terrible, getting max 1h and if i do a heavy use even less and I dont even use social media at all. No idea if its a dead battery or software problem seeing I was on custom rom before i reverted back on stock nougat. Waiting for a decent Nougat modem stock Rom to try it once again to see if a difference or not.
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I'm on Nougat stock and I keep getting battery down at 25-35% regularely. I can see that when I put phone in charge after it shuts down percentage charge numbers start where power down happened at 25-35% Tried a battery calibrate weeks ago with a play store app. At first looked like it got fixed but just for a day or so and back with same problem. Also SoT is terrible, getting max 1h and if i do a heavy use even less and I dont even use social media at all. No idea if its a dead battery or software problem seeing I was on custom rom before i reverted back on stock nougat. Waiting for a decent Nougat modem stock Rom to try it once again to see if a difference or not.
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"Battery calibration" apps don't work... The proper way to "recalibrate" a battery in modern Moto devices is https://motorola-global-en-uk.custh...moto-g4-g4-plus/topic/battery/battery-reset/1
Honestly, if this does nothing, try a cache wipe, and if that doesn't help do a factory reset. If that fails as well, then the battery is likely beyond it's useful life (becoming more and more common lately) and will need to be replaced if you can find a quality replacement. There is no "trick" to getting the battery back.
It seems these batteries were engineered for 18-24 months of life and that is about it, as most modern devices themselves are only intended for a max of 24 months of usable life anyway... They sure seem to drop off significantly in charge capacity after that point.
Try this app? AccuBattery
After a couple of charge cycles it shows my battery at 89% of max. My manufacture date is 11-16-2016, so just over a year old. Of course, the battery could have been made before then by some months, I don't know.
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