Long story, but T-mobile sent me a N910T3 as a exchange for a messed up N910T.
The T3 a week and half ago wouldn't charge and I did everything I could, different charger, outlets, cables, batteries so forth. Took it in and they said there was a problem and they would send me a refurbished N910T.
Since the night at the store the T3 has charged just fine, not a issue and has worked. It has system issues but we all now about those.
After numerous talks with reps I continue to get the T version.
Keep the T3 or just go back to a T.
I noticed the unlocked bootloader is only able to be done on the T3 but not the T.
Any input of help is great, thanks for everyone's time!
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Could you please elaborate? Are you saying T is better than T3? Why?
People would most likely say "T" as you can right now go back to 5.0.1. so long as you do not update the bootloader (I believe, correct me if Im wrong).
So when people got a T3 they did not like that as they were forced to be on 5.1.1 which the N910T did not have at the time.
As of the other day both the T and the T3 are on 5.1.1 DOK2.
Once you are on DOK2 they are basically the same phone thing and the ROMS will be interchangeable going forward. (DOK2 and higher)
(Except that the T3 phones are guaranteed to be newer and more crispy so to speak. They sent me a brand spanking new T3.)
With all that said most people want to go back to 5.0.1 because DOG1 was all jacked up because of some bugs (FingerPrint/Random Locks) and bad memory management.
If these has been resolved then perhaps people will start leaning more towards DOK2 for their base as it would be superior.
This is hard to tell right now till people get some time behind the new FW.
It has been confirmed by Samsung and T-Mobile that there was a "production line" change. With that there have been "Rumors" as to what actually go changed.
Now this could be as nice as a alteration to something like for example the GPS chip which people complained about on the T. (people say their GPS was better on the T3)
Or it could be something as meaningless as a part on the "T" started costing more so they changed to a different part to keep the cost the same etc.
(If ether of the above happens I believe they have to file with the FCC and create a sub-model)
The T3 definitely have better gps locking than the T. My T3 has been far superior than my original T. Everything is stable and fast and great battery life.
Thanks so much for the input and insight from other people.
I have a week from yesterday to get something shipped back to them so I will play with them and see how they both run.
The T3 had issues using the keyboard (freezing and going back to the home screen) since I got it, ended up doing the update to both the T and the T3. Even though the T3 had 5.1.1 before it already seems different for the good.
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Thanks so much for the input and insight from other people.
I have a week from yesterday to get something shipped back to them so I will play with them and see how they both run.
The T3 had issues using the keyboard (freezing and going back to the home screen) since I got it, ended up doing the update to both the T and the T3. Even though the T3 had 5.1.1 before it already seems different for the good.
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I would hang on to the T3 for now....
Since DOK2 just came out this be a good release and might make it worth it to stick to the T3.
Worst case is you could do a swap later if you want a "T". As you can see it might be more difficult to get a T3.
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People would most likely say "T" as you can right now go back to 5.0.1.
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So, in other words, are you saying that one piece of hardware is better because as of this moment it can run an older piece of software, which is proven to be stable and reliable, while reliability of the newest software, which both can run, is not known yet?
That's one way to look at it, however this is not the criteria I can agree with. Given that more updates are promised, even if the one from two days ago turns out to be especially bad, I would still look only at hardware differences.
But no one seems to know what they actually are, besides a few anecdotal evidence of a better GPS chip.
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I should have mentioned that I'm kinda in a similar situation as OP and have an option to choose which one to keep. That's why I'm truly interested to know the hardware differences between T and T3. So, if anyone reading this knows, please respond.
I've been running Rapture 5.1.1 ROM (DOG1) on T3 for the past few days and haven't noticed anything noticeably different in hardware behavior (didn't have any GPS issues with T neither). However, I still haven't got a chance to update T (currently with a stock deodexed ANK4) to the same ROM for true oranges to oranges comparison.
Software-wise, two big differences that were immediately apparent were: 5.1.1 no longer has DNS leak issues when VPN is connected and it is able to record calls using Call Recorder in full duplex mode when Bluetooth is connected.
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So, in other words, are you saying that one piece of hardware is better because as of this moment it can run an older piece of software, which is proven to be stable and reliable, while reliability of the newest software, which both can run, is not known yet?
That's one way to look at it, however this is not the criteria I can agree with. Given that more updates are promised, even if the one from two days ago turns out to be especially bad, I would still look only at hardware differences.
But no one seems to know what they actually are, besides a few anecdotal evidence of a better GPS chip.
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There have been countless people that have reported the GPS is better on the T3.
This could be hardware or it could just be 5.1.1 that has it going better.
Some people want the better GPS function and locks.
You are right though, if DOK2 has not fixed the FingerPrint, the memory management, and the other reported issues then it would be best to have the ability to go back to a stable 5.0.1.
However if it has been fixed then its time for people to get past their beaten dog syndrome and accept the new stable FW.
If that is indeed the case then some people might want to keep their T3.
For example, mine is brand new as of September. I don't know about anyone else but Id rather have a newer device.
The only way to be sure of all this is when time passes. If DOK2 actually pans out and is a good stable firmware then users of the T and the T3 will both use this and we will see if the GPS is different.
At the end of the day the T and the T3 are both a Note 4 and its not like much can be different.
DOK2 has been more stable to me so far than COG2
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Long story, but T-mobile sent me a N910T3 as a exchange for a messed up N910T.
The T3 a week and half ago wouldn't charge and I did everything I could, different charger, outlets, cables, batteries so forth. Took it in and they said there was a problem and they would send me a refurbished N910T.
Since the night at the store the T3 has charged just fine, not a issue and has worked. It has system issues but we all now about those.
After numerous talks with reps I continue to get the T version.
Keep the T3 or just go back to a T.
I noticed the unlocked bootloader is only able to be done on the T3 but not the T.
Any input of help is great, thanks for everyone's time!
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It was my understanding the T model has more compatibility with custom ROMs sometimes as some hardware was changed and not all ROMs supported the t3 version. For that reason I sought out a T model instead of a T3. Not sure if they figured out what changed to make all roms interchangeable.
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It was my understanding the T model has more compatibility with custom ROMs sometimes as some hardware was changed and not all ROMs supported the t3 version. For that reason I sought out a T model instead of a T3. Not sure if they figured out what changed to make all roms interchangeable.
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That is incorrect, it was never a hardware issue...
The ROMS didnt work because they were COD6 (5.0.1) based ROMS and the T3 came with DOG1 5.1.1.
You cannot downgrade bootloaders once they are flashed. Thus making the T3 permanently stuck on 5.1.1. It can upgrade but cannot be downgraded.
The hardware may or may not be different on the T3 there was some speculation that the GPS chip had be changed on the T3 because GPS locks and accuracy was better.
However this could have just been because the T3 had a totally different firmware (5.1.1 DOG1) then the N910T.
Even if the GPS chip is different this is not affecting the firmware. DOK2 on the N910T3 is the same as DOK2 on the N910T.
There already have been people that flashed the DOK2 that was released for the N910T on the N910T3 and it worked fine.
There are separate named download files from KIES and OTA because the actual devices (from an FCC ID and internal Samsung ID standpoint) are different.
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That is incorrect, it was never a hardware issue...
The ROMS didnt work because they were COD6 (5.0.1) based ROMS and the T3 came with DOG1 5.1.1.
You cannot downgrade bootloaders once they are flashed. Thus making the T3 permanently stuck on 5.1.1. It can upgrade but cannot be downgraded.
The hardware may or may not be different on the T3 there was some speculation that the GPS chip had be changed on the T3 because GPS locks and accuracy was better.
However this could have just been because the T3 had a totally different firmware (5.1.1 DOG1) then the N910T.
Even if the GPS chip is different this is not affecting the firmware. DOK2 on the N910T3 is the same as DOK2 on the N910T.
There already have been people that flashed the DOK2 that was released for the N910T on the N910T3 and it worked fine.
There are separate named download files from KIES and OTA because the actual devices (from an FCC ID and internal Samsung ID standpoint) are different.
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Good to know. Thanks
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DOK2 on the N910T3 is the same as DOK2 on the N910T.
There already have been people that flashed the DOK2 that was released for the N910T on the N910T3 and it worked fine.
There are separate named download files from KIES and OTA because the actual devices (from an FCC ID and internal Samsung ID standpoint) are different.
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They are not totally identical though. I only looked at img files inside tar.md5 and system.img.ext4 files are not even the same size. Other img files have a few differences as well. Haven't got a chance to lean how to uncompress these files, so can't tell what exactly is different.
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They are not totally identical though. I only looked at img files inside tar.md5 and system.img.ext4 files are not even the same size. Other img files have a few differences as well. Haven't got a chance to lean how to uncompress these files, so can't tell what exactly is different.
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Touche, well either way. I personally would be using T3 stuff if you have a T3 etc. Just makes one feel better.
Wonder what the differences are. ...
How can I get tmobile to exchange my T for a new T3?
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Just thought if point out that my GF just picked up a T3 model. I upgraded her baseband and modern through Odin, and installed cmRemiX 14.2. Outside of the baseband and modem (mine is upgraded too for the T model) everything we are running is identical. Her screen looks a little sharper than mine. Not sure if this is a placebo effect for an 'ooh shiny' or not. Just an observation.
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Just thought if point out that my GF just picked up a T3 model. I upgraded her baseband and modern through Odin, and installed cmRemiX 14.2. Outside of the baseband and modem (mine is upgraded too for the T model) everything we are running is identical. Her screen looks a little sharper than mine. Not sure if this is a placebo effect for an 'ooh shiny' or not. Just an observation.
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Speaking about screens... I noticed that T3 screen colors are less bright and the screen overall looks dimmer when both phones are set to max brightness.
I remember when T originally came out, there were reports of "dead pixels". When I was buying mine at the store, I made it a point to find one that doesn't have any of those. I personally went through 4 or 5 phones before finding a good one (I know sales people at that store don't like me anymore because of that, lol).
However, from what I can tell, those were not real dead pixels, but rather some metallic(?) particles on the screen under the glass (occasionally you could get them to shift around, but not too much, as they seemed to be held by static pretty good). Apparently those were some quality issues during assembly. T3 that I picked up couple of weeks ago didn't have this issue. Maybe Samsung used a different/updated screen in T3?
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Speaking about screens... I noticed that T3 screen colors are less bright and the screen overall looks dimmer when both phones are set to max brightness.
I remember when T originally came out, there were reports of "dead pixels". When I was buying mine at the store, I made it a point to find one that doesn't have any of those. I personally went through 4 or 5 phones before finding a good one (I know sales people at that store don't like me anymore because of that, lol).
However, from what I can tell, those were not real dead pixels, but rather some metallic(?) particles on the screen under the glass (occasionally you could get them to shift around, but not too much, as they seemed to be held by static pretty good). Apparently those were some quality issues during assembly. T3 that I picked up couple of weeks ago didn't have this issue. Maybe Samsung used a different/updated screen in T3?
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I'll test and compare ours later and report back. We're running the same ROM and all as well, so variances like that will be minimized. Also going to test out GPS differences and the like. I set her kernel up to be identical to my settings also since we both like to have some conservative nature to extend battery life a little.
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DOK2 has been more stable to me so far than COG2
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after update to DOK2 I feel it have some lag in my phone, and can't root so can't use some tool
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Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.
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Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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This contradicts what I read elsewhere for the better Ill see if I can locate where I read this at, If this is the case why is there no custom roms besides Cyanogenmod? Where is a AOSP roms at? Or is the device just that new nothing is out yet? If this is true Ill be getting the Epic over the Evo
Wifi tether comes with the device, and I have to say I haven't had any problems with its use so far
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While trying this and putting my N1 aside, I'm surprised how much I'm missing FroYo
Any devs that would care to comment on the possibility of a FroYo port for the SGS?
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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What nonsense
I'm a little confused about the situation with ROMs myself, coming from the Windows Mobile world. If the entire source to the build of Android on the Galaxy S is available, surely it's possible to change anything, theoretically? It also seems that the bootloader has no or negligible security as to what it can flash.
On the other hand, I've seen claims that it would be impossible to get Froyo or any future Android updates if Samsung don't release them first (I know they've committed to Froyo). Unless the driver model changes dramatically in Froyo, which I doubt since then new drivers would be required for every phone, why would it be any more difficult to port newer versions of Android to the Galaxy S than any other phone?
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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Why do you say this? I purchased mine today and so far am very satisfied with
the phone.
Just testing xda app.
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No, it's just that there are different components and layers which can be considered open or "locked down", and you both use different ones.
The bootloader for the samsung galaxy is not locked.
But there is an argument by the XDA forum member psychoace that some of the drivers for the galaxy S were not open sourced, and that in earlier android devices from samsung this made it very hard to create ROMs which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
As far as I know, this argument from psychoace was never countered, and so I see no reason not to believe it. (I did not look over the sources myself yet).
So can someone port new versions of Android over to the Galaxy S after Samsung has abandoned the device? I really don't know, but I wouldn't count on it, until someone who has experience with making custom ROMs says it is realistic.
The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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as far as i understand it, the lagging issues are just because of the touchwiz and especially the samsung-widgets. removing the widgets and replacing the luncher with luncher-pro/adw will be the first thing i do when i have the device in my hands. on the other side: the hardware of the galaxy s is very good in my opinion!
@bookwormat:
i think you are wrong! i have read in some forums that samsung has released the drivers for 2.1 together with all other code! in fact i am just pulling the code (including the full kernel) from the samsung open source center (http://opensource.samsung.com/). it's huge, 148MB ... when it's finished i will give it a look an confirm what's in there and what not.
You might just want to take into consideration the fact that the Nexus and Desire had some problems as well right after launch.
The nexus took some time ( a couple of months) to set things straight, the Desire- A couple of weeks only. But it's understandable, since it's 95% identical to the nexus, so HTC probably knew what is going to be problematic.
Also, you're taking things to major extremes. You make it sound like the device is catastrophically slow to the level of being unuseable, and crashes every 2 minutes.
Reality, well, is different. The longest lag i had personally is 1.5 seconds when loading asphalt 5. Every other lag when opening an app- less than half a second.
I'd also like you to refrain from stating one personal problem as a bug in the device, you are the only known member in this forum that is having trouble with the keyboard.
A little search in MoDaCo forums reveals that some users are reporting slight problems with the keyboard, but it's limited to Firmware JG01 only.
It's sad that instead of taking a moment to see if you can solve these problems or helping others find a solution, you preffer to bash the device in every occasion.
For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
For me it's really an awesome phone that comes with some minor annoyances that seem entirely caused by the fact that it's brand new. So far it appears that Samsung is putting a lot of effort in maturing the software and I expect the issues to be solved within a matter of weeks. In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Battery life is very good after the first initial cycles.
GPS doesn't work right you may all ***** about that.
I'm sure I would be happy with the new HTC's, or even the iphone 4 (the thought of buying into apple's nasty attitude does make me cringe a bit) but I would still choose the SGS again providing they fix the gps.
Perhaps I'm being over critical but there are serious flaws with this device, there is no denying this.
GPS not working - there doesn't seem to be a solution, can't use copilot or googlemaps.
Lagging/freezing - changed to launcher pro not as bad but still occurs.
I hope the boys at samy are working hard to find fixes for these problems. If there are solutions then please guide me to them.
Don't get me wrong this device has potential and there alot of good features but due to issues mentioned above it just ruins the users experience.
I paid good money for this device not so that I could put it down but to use it. I'm just stating my experience for the benefit of others who maybe considering to buy this device.
If there are solutions wonderful p
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For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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I really dont uderstand all this gps not working talk.I use co pilot a lot and its extremely accurate and keeps lock in all weathers.Googe maps works indoors to within a house or so and out side gets me within 15 feet or so.I did have gps issues initially until I flashed firmware and factory reset.My i8910 hd had better gps but that was an exeptional phone for gps
Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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Download the update.zip file from this thread.
Or direct link here
Copy the file to the internal storage card of the phone using Kies or whatever method you like.
Disconnect the usb cable
Turn off the phone
Press and hold these buttons at the same time: volume up+home+power, keep them pressed until you see the samsung logo.
Use volume rocker to navigate to update.zip and then press home to select.
Phone will reboot and you are now rooted with superuser.
The whole process takes less than 5 minutes.
I'm not responsible for anything
I like the phone but there are problems
1.keyboard has dup presses... solved with HTC keyboard. Also l key in portrait mode doesn't always work.
2. Gps lock not as good or reliable as my I 8910
3. StallING.. fix fixed it the only program that has a lag to load is sygic.
4. Image resizing not working well in gallery and web.
5. Still doesn't always switch back to 3g from edge. Jg1 is better than previous.
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**EDIT** This thread is about the Chinese SM-N9006 ONLY.
I just picked up this phone last weekend, (imgur.com/Js8e4FI or see "deviceinfo.png" below), which seems to be similar to all the other Chinese N9006s out there, but after further examination, I'm not so sure.
I rooted it with Framaroot and checked it with a new version of Antutu, (I think I had one of the adjusted versions before), and CPU Identifier, and it showed a very different processor than the others I've seen online. (imgur.com/caapx2o or see "cpu identifier.png" below)
Evidently, the Quad-core 1.2Ghz MTK6589 is actually a dual-core MT6572 which I'm not sure even uses both cores.
I'm not that surprised about that, but I am surprised that the RAM seems to actually be close to 3GB! When I check the running apps tab it shows almost 3GB total RAM, (imgur.com/7B4jFRx or see "running apps.png" below), which is backed up by both Antutu, (imgur.com/0OMilGl or see "antutu.png" below), and CPU Identifier.
So, have they made a new N9006? One with a crappier processor but more RAM? It only got an Antutu score of 8115, but it seems to run relatively quickly. The main reason I'm curious is that I want to be able to try out other roms, but I'm not sure I can trust anything from this phone to figure out which roms are safe for it. I'm not sure that it's even correctly reporting the rom info you can see in the device info picture.
In case you can't see the device info, this phone seems to have: (This is all the info I've been able to scrounge up from this phone)
Star Note3 n9006
Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 Cortex-ARM7
Adreno 330 GPU
MT6572 x2 1.3GHZ
Model Number: SM-N9006
Android Version: 4.3
Baseband Version: N9006ZCUBMI3
Kernal version: 3.4.0-1590669 [email protected]#1 Thu Nov 7 10:38:17 CST 2013
Build Number: JSS15J.N9006ZCUBMI5
Custom build version: i7208.pip.02.02.a.a-v0.0.9b1107
Supposedly, I can be sure of the rom info from booting into factory mode, (power + vol. down), but I'm getting the same menu in Chinese that others have gotten.
Factory Mode menu (sorry about the quality): (imgur.com/ivDFE4s or see "screencrap.png" below)
Does anyone know what the options are in that menu, or how to change the menu to English, OR another way to get the rom info from the bootup screens? Thanks!
MediaTek Cpu ?? impossible i guess you got a Chinese knock off
Dheemanth10 said:
MediaTek Cpu ?? impossible i guess you got a Chinese knock off
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Yup, I know it's a knockoff, I identify it as a Chinese model in my first sentence. That's why I'm not surprised that the specs are faked. Even after rooting it, deleting the un-upgradeable version of Antutu they had locked on it (I'd heard about the "adjusted" versions), and installing a new version of Antutu, it is still faking the processor.
I'm not sure any info can be trusted from the current rom on this phone, which is one reason why I want to figure out which roms are safe for it.
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Yup, I know it's a knockoff, I identify it as a Chinese model in my first sentence. That's why I'm not surprised that the specs are faked. Even after rooting it, deleting the un-upgradeable version of Antutu they had locked on it (I'd heard about the "adjusted" versions), and installing a new version of Antutu, it is still faking the processor.
I'm not sure any info can be trusted from the current rom on this phone, which is one reason why I want to figure out which roms are safe for it.
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There are not ANY ROMs other than the one it shipped with which are safe for it. If you tried to flash a real stock or custom Note 3 ROM onto it, it probably wouldn't flash at all, and if it did, it would brick the device.
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I just picked up this phone last weekend, (imgur.com/Js8e4FI or see "deviceinfo.png" below), which seems to be similar to all the other Chinese N9006s out there, but after further examination, I'm not so sure.
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So, have they made a new N9006? One with a crappier processor but more RAM?
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First of all - in the world there ARE true Samsung N9006 Note 3 phones - which are completely different devices! So your phone is NOT a Samsung N9006, so it can't be referred to as a "new N9006". At most you can say it is a new fake N9006.
And regarding the RAM - the problem is that even on real N9005 you don't have close to 3GB RAM reported, you only get listed about 2499 MB or so, the rest is mapped to video/3D and similar stuff and does not get listed. The fact that 3000 MB are listed seems to suggest that in the kernel there is another hack so it reports much more than reality.
Also the screen captures suggest that the real screen is nowhere near 1920x1080 so that info also seems to be faked
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First of all - in the world there ARE true Samsung N9006 Note 3 phones - which are completely different devices! So your phone is NOT a Samsung N9006, so it can't be referred to as a "new N9006". At most you can say it is a new fake N9006.
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Sorry for the confusion, the only discussions I've seen on xda which refer to the N9006 are in reference to the Chinese version. I've changed the title accordingly.
I agree with you that the resolution is definitely faked, as well as the RAM. Are there any apps that can accurately judge the true amount of RAM? Antutu gives a RAM Operation score of 435, and a speed score of 712, but I'm not sure how that corresponds into real world amounts.
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There are not ANY ROMs other than the one it shipped with which are safe for it. If you tried to flash a real stock or custom Note 3 ROM onto it, it probably wouldn't flash at all, and if it did, it would brick the device.
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If there is success with any of the attempts being made, I want to know if my phone is the same as theirs. There are threads which reference another Chinese version where attempts are being made. (I'm not allowed to link URLs yet but you can cut and paste: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2460126 forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495375)
With the increasing interest in the Chinese versions, even if there isn't one now, I'm sure there'll be one eventually. That's why I'm interested in finding out how to gain info about the rom I'm using. Even if I don't change roms, it would be nice to see the real specs of the phone, and be able to use some things like Xposed.
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Sorry for the confusion, the only discussions I've seen on xda which refer to the N9006 are in reference to the Chinese version. I've changed the title accordingly.
I agree with you that the resolution is definitely faked, as well as the RAM. Are there any apps that can accurately judge the true amount of RAM? Antutu gives a RAM Operation score of 435, and a speed score of 712, but I'm not sure how that corresponds into real world amounts.
If there is success with any of the attempts being made, I want to know if my phone is the same as theirs. There are threads which reference another Chinese version where attempts are being made. (I'm not allowed to link URLs yet but you can cut and paste: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2460126 forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495375)
With the increasing interest in the Chinese versions, even if there isn't one now, I'm sure there'll be one eventually. That's why I'm interested in finding out how to gain info about the rom I'm using. Even if I don't change roms, it would be nice to see the real specs of the phone, and be able to use some things like Xposed.
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The point is that real Samsung firmware won't work on a clone. The real Samsung devices don't use the same chipset as the clones do.
You're phone is not a Chinese Version, the chinese versions are made by Samsung.
your phone is a copy product.
There is a real chinese note 3 SM-9006 made by Samsung...what you have is just a crapy copy made in some backyard factory. STOP thinking you have anything else. Just be happy that it can even make a phone call.
Teleported from my SM-N9005 from the Enterprise
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**EDIT** This thread is about the Chinese SM-N9006 ONLY.
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A number of people including myself already told you - this is NOT a SM-N9006!
Searching for the CPU and resolution will get you to one of the appropriate threads (or you can start yourself one BUT NOT IN ANY NOTE 3 FORUM)
Here is for instance one about the fakes with MTK6589 and I believe 1280x720:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2460620
This one seems closer to what you have:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2549036
Search around http://forum.xda-developers.com/android there might be other!
Your screenshot clearly show it is fake, the color, everything is wrong.
This is NOT a real SM-N9006 but FAKE.
You should change your title.
Not a Note 3.. doesn't belong here... Thread closed
Has Samsung announced publicly that they will upgrade Note 3 to 5.1.1 or that they will NOT do it?
Or is it all still up in the air and we have to guess what they'll do with the rest of the official Note firmware updates?
I'm aware of AOSP/CM 5.1.1 builds for Note 3, but I'm interested in the 5.1.1 Samsung official Touchwiz ROM future.
Anybody found any info / roadmap on this?
No word yet. It's been confirmed for the Note 4, Note Edge and S5, but nothing yet on the Note 3 and S4.
Samsung knows the 5.0 firmware for the Note 3 is severely broken, so they might choose to update the Note 3 to 5.1, but they might also stick to Google's 18 months/2 major updates contract and drop support for the device.
Given that they don't seem to give a **** about Note users anymore, the latter seems the most likely. They want to force us all onto the S6 Edge +.
LOL! How is 5.0 "severely broken" for Note 3?
Anyway, to OP, no, Samsung hasn't officially announced anything yet, but I believe 5.1 will come for our phones, probably in couple of months time.
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LOL! How is 5.0 "severely broken" for Note 3?
Anyway, to OP, no, Samsung hasn't officially announced anything yet, but I believe 5.1 will come for our phones, probably in couple of months time.
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Aside from the memory leaks, errors, bluetooth connectivity issues, wifi issues and battery drains?
Oh no, it's absolutely perfect. Everyone is just lying about it, that's all.
I mean, we totally don't get about 8 people a day asking us to revert their devices back to 4.4, we're just making those figures up. That's what providers and tech support people do, right?
Or did anyone really think the several months delay for the larger versions (BTU, DBT, XEF) were because Samsung forgot? No, it's because 5.0 had a lot of bugs Google left in that Samsung couldn't get fixed.
(Okay, okay, I'll stop. I should probably just go to sleep, my sarcasm seems to be overloading. :laugh: I've been up for 72 hours straight, I think my brain has simply dropped all functions besides its basic survival instinct, which in my case appears to be comprised almost entirely of sarcasm. No offense meant, I am merely quite severely sleep deprived :laugh: :angel: (Also, I just noticed, on Tapatalk that emoticon is just hilarious. It's pink! Hihihihiihihihihi... :laugh: )
5.0 is the Vista of the Android world. Hopefully 5.1 will be better, though I doubt it.
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Android 5.0 for the NOTE 3 is rubbish. Since the update i have multiple lag problems with my note 3 but the most severe is the bluetooth connectivity problems. I can`t use my smartwatches (Moto 360 and Pebble Time) anymore. They drop connection all day long, unable to reconnect, android wear saying connecting .... or displays that my Moto 360 is connected but it is not !
Android 5.0 made my life hell. My phone still thinks that is connected to my car stereo when is not, in a prone call i have to manually disable bluetooth when i leave my car so i can speak.
On Android 4.4.4 bluetooth was working perfectly. Now i`m searching a way to downgrade to Android 4.4.4 ...
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Aside from the memory leaks, errors, bluetooth connectivity issues, wifi issues and battery drains?
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Are you sure you are using 5.0 for Samsung on your Note 3, or probably on something else? :laugh:
Anyway, jokes aside, really?
Memory leaks? What's that? I am dumb. Please enlighten me.
Errors? What errors?
Bluetooth connectivity? I use BT for around 6-8 hours a day, and not once my BT got disconnected!
WiFi issues? I download 3-4 GB from my phone, EVERY DAY. WiFi doesn't disconnect, not once. I however manually power off my router once every 3 or 4 days so that my ISP doesn't start to monitor my otherwise high usage at a stretch.
Battery drains? As I have said a hundred times before, battery life is much better in LP than it was on KK!
Are you sure you are not trolling?
is not just not working. I have never rooted my phone, only installed OTA updates. Android 5.0 is the worst. Tried everything, including wipe data/full reset, wipe cache, format SD card, the same bluetooth issues. Can`t use my Pebble Time .....
While it's not as bad as ShadowLea described, I do get occasional battery drains, a dreaded Camera and Gallery lag and heating up/throttling while playing intensive games (Such problems were not present in Kitkat). While the Lollipop update brought some interesting features and new much needed visual improvements the phone for me performs worse than Kitkat (but it's not that bad). Now will I downgrade? Of course not (add the fact that I don't know how xD). Let's hope that we get the 5.1.1 update or even Marshmallow (Though knowing Samsung that's a bit far fetched =P)
Just downgraded my Note 3 to Android 4.4.2 this morning. So far my Pebble Time works like a dream, no more dropped connection, no more unable cu connect, all bluetooth issues are gone.
Because i never rooted my Note 3 and downgraded to stock firmware, the downgrade process was pretty simple using ODIN.
Let's not make this "is 5.0.x" good/bad - thread. Some are having issues. Some are not. Some would like to have 5.1.1 with stagefright and other patches, regardless.
The question is: will Samsung deliver 5.1.1 (or later) for Note 3 or or will they not honour their "2 years of updates" or not. If they will. I think I'm done with Samsung for a while (esp. with Note 5 being what it is).
Yeah, Samsung made a special 5.0 ROM for me only, which doesn't give anywhere near as problems as mentioned above!
Some people just like bashing TouchWiz, however I thought those were kidzzzz only, but until now. Then they switch to some other third class OEM, get tired and come back to Samsung, and then they keep their mouth shut. That's how it generally goes.
There's no need to be so arrogant. If you're satisfied with how your phone works, doesn't mean that software works flawlessly, especially on other devices that you couldn't see. There may be some failed upgrades, software conflicts, or rare race conditions that prevent some users from enjoying their Note 3 devices.
Fortunately my experience with 5.0 on Note 3 is much better than with 5.0 on Nexus 10.
Still I couldn't see any mention of >5.0 upgrade for Note 3, which is a bit sad, especially when there are exploits out there, and it'll soon be 2 years old.
I found this post claiming 5.1.1 is coming to Note 3 according to Samsung UK. However, I'd take it with a grain of salt, as August is almost gone, still no 5.1.1 not even news about release and often the local offices in Europe do not know the final details about what the Korean giant had decided.
Galaxy Note 3 receives the Android 5.1.1 update soon
http://www.androidstandard.com/galaxy-note-3-neo-will-get-android-lollipop-soon/
Hope springs eternal...
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Android 5.0 for the NOTE 3 is rubbish. Since the update i have multiple lag problems with my note 3 but the most severe is the bluetooth connectivity problems. I can`t use my smartwatches (Moto 360 and Pebble Time) anymore. They drop connection all day long, unable to reconnect, android wear saying connecting .... or displays that my Moto 360 is connected but it is not !
Android 5.0 made my life hell. My phone still thinks that is connected to my car stereo when is not, in a prone call i have to manually disable bluetooth when i leave my car so i can speak.
On Android 4.4.4 bluetooth was working perfectly. Now i`m searching a way to downgrade to Android 4.4.4 ...
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facing exactly the same problem , flashed back to 4.4. , but then i lost interest in smartwatch , so upgraded again to 5.0
5.0 is relatively beautiful , but recent apps take alot of time to appear and close ,,thas what bugging me
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Are you sure you are using 5.0 for Samsung on your Note 3, or probably on something else? :laugh:
Anyway, jokes aside, really?
Memory leaks? What's that? I am dumb. Please enlighten me.
Errors? What errors?
Bluetooth connectivity? I use BT for around 6-8 hours a day, and not once my BT got disconnected!
WiFi issues? I download 3-4 GB from my phone, EVERY DAY. WiFi doesn't disconnect, not once. I however manually power off my router once every 3 or 4 days so that my ISP doesn't start to monitor my otherwise high usage at a stretch.
Battery drains? As I have said a hundred times before, battery life is much better in LP than it was on KK!
Are you sure you are not trolling?
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I do not troll. I have never understood what the point of trolling is. What do people find so appealing about it?
I'm simply speaking from the experience of getting far, far too many reports of problems with 5.0. That, and the fact that Samsung themselves have, repeatedly, admitted that 5.0 is extremely flawed. If the lads at Samsung's dev department tell you 5.0 is broken, it's broken.
Have I updated? Hell no. Absolutely bloody not. 5.0 has white menus, that's a no-go for me. Besides, NB7 works perfectly for me (7+ hours screen-on time!). I'm a great fan of the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" principle.
Memory leaks are when apps use more memory than they should. So when an app that normaly uses only 50MB RAM is suddenly using 900MB RAM, when there's nothing it actually needs it for.
Wait, your ISP has a problem with 4GB a day? That's... wow. I average about 700GB a month on my laptop alone.
Not every Bluetooth connection has problems. Older Bluetooth protocols have problems, some newer ones work fine. (This is a problem from Google, not Touchwiz. Unless Nexus devices run TW these days )
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Yeah, Samsung made a special 5.0 ROM for me only, which doesn't give anywhere near as problems as mentioned above!
Some people just like bashing TouchWiz, however I thought those were kidzzzz only, but until now. Then they switch to some other third class OEM, get tired and come back to Samsung, and then they keep their mouth shut. That's how it generally goes.
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Unfortunatelly, the experience of one does not equal the experience of all. If you don't have issues doesn't mean nobody else does. (Although I am very glad for you that yours works flawlessly! )
I do not bash TW. Hello, I'm on pure 100% stock. That'd be a bit hypocritical. TW works fine, it's Android 5.0 itself that is broken.
It doesn't just affect Samsung, 5.0 is malfunctioning on all devices.
http://www.xda-developers.com/lollipop-memory-leak-fixed/
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79729
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/4...4-battery-drain-forced-reboots-app-issues.htm
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=165558
http://www.zdnet.com/article/android-lollipop-users-warn-of-unusable-devices-after-upgrading/
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/to2BHjmhh-I/6vO3-W8z9nYJ
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/5...reezing-apps-battery-drain-forced-reboots.htm
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-G...fter-Android-5-0-Lollipop-Update-482137.shtml
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/05...-issues-are-mostly-googles-fault-not-samsung/
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/...axy_note_4battery_drain_forced_reboots_app_i/
LOL! All the articles are more than three four months old! Maybe there was some memory management issues on early LP releases, but that doesn't count. I don't see much problem (if any at all!) with apps closing/ restarting upon going back into them. I use a six year old Sony GV435 BT headset, LOL!
And as I said, Samsung didn't make a special ROM for me, nor I am the person who just runs a dull device without any kind of modifications! I talk half an hour a day, more mostly, with BT connected, I keep at least a dozen apps open in background, the phone is running for 18 straight days now! So as long as Samsung didn't make a special ROM me those mentioned problems/ bugs are terribly exaggerated. 50 MB app is taking 900 MB in LP. Nah, I sure don't know what trolling is, my DNA lacks that, but I am getting a sense of what trolling is, because when you are around trolls, some effects will be unknowingly pushed into oneself.
Hassaan Shahid said:
facing exactly the same problem , flashed back to 4.4. , but then i lost interest in smartwatch , so upgraded again to 5.0
5.0 is relatively beautiful , but recent apps take alot of time to appear and close ,,thas what bugging me
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All bluetooth devices are affected, i was having problems even with my car stereo... I spent 500 EURO for my smartwatches so i want to use then.
I do like Android 5.0 and i like to keep my devices up to date, but in an working condition :good:
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All bluetooth devices are affected, i was having problems even with my car stereo... I spent 500 EURO for my smartwatches so i want to use then.
I do like Android 5.0 and i like to keep my devices up to date, but in an working condition :good:
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Yeah, then you report those problems in Google's community, not here. If there any problems with Lollipop then it is Google's problem, not Samsung's.
Google fixed problems in 5.1.1 this is why we wait news from Samsung. If lollipop is latest update for note 3, they should fix all the bugs.
new micro updates are coming this month to fix the problems, this was samsung replay
Let me just say this first, i'm not an idiot and i've done firmware flashing, rooting, etc plenty of times on my old phone before.
I have, as well, spent extensive time researching but came up with mixed results since it seems like this issue is different depending on a number of factors.
Anyhow, s4 broke so i needed a new phone and found a sweet deal on ebay, Huawei p9 lite for 95€, literally nothing better you could get for that price. Its only a couple months old, no scratches, nothing.
There was only one problem.
The camera app doesn't work, whether through the app itself or other apps such as whatsapp, that's why the guy reduced the price so heavily.
Anywho first thing i thought of is "software problem", i'm no expert but it seemed to me that it's a software issue and not a hardware one, and software issuesn are relatively easily fixed.
Another thing to notice is that he bought the phone online and it came in a G9 box.
Google tells me it's a Chinese model.
Oh yeah and the camera app did work, but then he updated the phone and it stopped working.
Anyway i know WHAT to do, flash mm and stay there or update to nougat.
But i don't know how, well i do but every guide seemed a little different and i do not want to risk my phone at all.
I require help in the way of you guys either telling me what to do, or giving me a link to a guide that is suited to my case model number and all.
So here's the relevant info.
Tl;dr:
Help me reflash firmware to get rid of test keys
Model: Huawei VNS-21
Build: NRD90M test-keys
Emui: 5.0
Android: 7.0
Oh yeah when i scroll down in the options and click on certificate i get this illuminati looking triangle with the words "serbia" under it whatever that means, thought that might be important info.
So I have an old Note 4, the SM-N910T. It's worked great for years, but after recent updates it just keeps getting worse and worse. It constantly errors out, telling me System UI is not responding. It loses GPS every time I try to use google maps for directions. And several times a week (if not a day) I'll get the x over my bars and can't even make phone calls with it.
I thought about just resetting it to see if that would help. But if I'm going to do that I thought I might as well try a whole upgrade to whatever the best is currently out there for it. I currently use Cricket as my carrier.
Any advice?
Ps. recently things like my Bank App (USAA) stopped working for my phone. The current version is no longer supported. Would the roms out there let me use it again?
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Ps. recently things like my Bank App (USAA) stopped working for my phone. The current version is no longer supported. Would the roms out there let me use it again?
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Would grabbing the official APK file from an APK mirror make a diff? I am on Android Pie, Rusurrection Rom. It's amazing. There is a battery glitch tho that can be addressed while charging it to 100 percent in recovery. After that it appears to go away.
Why not go with a Pocophone F1 or the Redmi Note 7? Both of them are "flagship killers" and both of them are able to use the Gcam mod which greatly improves on the stock cam in every regard. Simply amazing to be honest.
I'm not that familiar with what my options are. I'd like to keep using the Note 4 that I have. I just don't know if there are packages out there that would work better then the default stuff that is one it now. It seems like the latest updates really made it run like crap.
I think I'm on Android 6 Marshmallow right now. Is there a way to get a newer Android version on my phone, perhaps one that runs better then what it came with?
why not root and flash the last rom marshmallow 6.0.1, and see if your problems go away.
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why not root and flash the last rom marshmallow 6.0.1, and see if your problems go away.
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I could do that I guess. I was just wondering what the best rom out there for my phone is? What do people recommend. I guess I was under the impression that there were more options now. The standard T-Mobile software that's on there now has just gotten worse and worse with each update.
I didn't know if there was a way to put a newer version of Android on an older phone like that. Or if I'm stuck with Marshmallow?
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I could do that I guess. I was just wondering what the best rom out there for my phone is? What do people recommend. I guess I was under the impression that there were more options now. The standard T-Mobile software that's on there now has just gotten worse and worse with each update.
I didn't know if there was a way to put a newer version of Android on an older phone like that. Or if I'm stuck with Marshmallow?
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depends on what version of the note 4 you have, there are nougat and orea clones if you will, what verson note have you got
https://www.phonemore.com/models/samsung/galaxy-note-4/
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depends on what version of the note 4 you have, there are nougat and orea clones if you will, what verson note have you got
https://www.phonemore.com/models/samsung/galaxy-note-4/
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I have the SM-N910T.
theres a few on this site and https://galaxynote4root.com/category/t-mobile-note-4-roms/