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hello everybody!!
can someone actually explain to me what is nandroid backup??and how it really works??what is the different with other backup on the market such as titanium backup??
thnxs for your time~
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Nandroid is a backup option that completely backs up your system nand (internal memory), including the ROM, apps, etc. You can restore a nandroid backup and have everything working in case you flash a bad kernel, ROM, or something like that. It is fundamentally different from an app like titanium backup because it is an image of the entire system, not just individual apps and their data.
If you want to make a nandroid backup, flash a CWM recovery image, then when you boot into recovery, there is a "backup and restore" menu option. Backup to create one, restore will restore the entire state of your device from when you made the backup.
Nandroid backup will backup your partition with this output
1.Boot.img-your kernel
2.Recovery.img-your default recovery
3.system.ext4.tar-all ROM file system
4.data.ext4.tar-all data likes apps, your progress
5.cache.ext2.tar- your cache..
So if you use nandroid, is there no need for titanium backup?
What is the sequence of steps if I want to preserve my Google Play downloaded apps and its associated data, but I still want to wipe everything and install a brand new ROM such as CM9?
Would it be:
--make a nandroid backup
--completely nuke everything except the SD card?
--install the new CM9 rom
--restore from nandroid?
Where does titanium backup fit into this scenario?
Thanks
Nandroid backs up your entire rom, apps and their current configuration as is. Titanium Backup is used to backup individual apps.
If you are flashing a rom, always do a Nandroid first; it is your way to get back to your last working system and configuration if flashing messes something up. Think of Nandroid, as being mandatory.
Some then use Titanium Backup to backup an individual app, such as your Email client; then you don't have to reconfigure your Email client with a new rom. I find it to be almost as fast, just to reconfigure individual apps after a wipe and new rom flash. So think of Titanium Backup, as optional.
ok.. great answers.. now the queston becomes..
how to do a nandroid back up? .
is there a special app needed?
thanks....
jimmbomb said:
ok.. great answers.. now the queston becomes..
how to do a nandroid back up? .
is there a special app needed?
thanks....
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Reading totally helps here as this is written just a few posts above.
teiglin said:
If you want to make a nandroid backup, flash a CWM recovery image, then when you boot into recovery, there is a "backup and restore" menu option. Backup to create one, restore will restore the entire state of your device from when you made the backup.
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Reading totally helps here as this is written just a few posts above.
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thanks for the reminder to re-read the thread once again..
And thanks again for the quote as well....
I will quote this part here..
"If you want to make a nandroid backup, flash a CWM recovery image, then when you boot "
Now my next question is please elaborate on a "CWM recovery image"
Please forgive me for not knowing.. as the OP posted his lack of knowledge as well..
Please DO admonish me as well for asking in HIS thread on what a CWM recovery image is.. and or where to get one and how apply and use it..
I think this is a good thread for those who do not understand as the OP started..
His questions were answered...
So is it safe to move backwards for those who would like to know more about this procedure.
Thanks to all who reply.
All replies are welcomed and encouraged..
jimmbomb said:
ok.. great answers.. now the queston becomes..
how to do a nandroid back up? .
is there a special app needed?
thanks....
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I can tell you from my experience this (I'm still quite new to Android myself):
Nandroid (a funky concatenation of NAND and ANDROID) means a full IMAGE of your current system. It is like a partition image on Windows, like Acronis TrueImage or Norton Ghost... It backs up everything, your OS, all apps, data, settings etc. BUT you can only restore it as a whole (generally speaking) which means you get back to THIS setup. You can NOT install a new ROM and then restore only the apps!
That's why the best way to do it is to do BOTH! You make a nandroid in case you screw up and "brick" your device during flash, so you can always GO BACK to where you were BEFORE you tried flashing anything and then re-try.
You use Titanium Backup to just back up your APPS and their DATA as well as some important system settings like SMS history, Wifi AP list etc. THAT stuff is "transferable" into a new ROM. Consider that like you are burning CDs with your music and movies etc and then you install a fresh Windows. You have a NEW OS but you get your old DATA back. In this case it includes APPS and their respective data, e.g. game progress, saved documents, settings etc. for every app.
Oh and in order to make that nandroid backup, you need to search for and install "CWM" Clockworkmod Recovery. Now THAT is like a built in recovery partition on Dell or Apple laptops! It is a way to boot into an emergency system by holding down a couple of keys (volume up and power) if your main ROM becomes unbootable! There are lots of threads on here about CWM, where to get it and how to install it. Just DO NOT install the current CWM on a Verizon (SCH-i815) Galaxy Tab 7.7 just yet. We just found a couple of bugs that can prevent you from getting updates. If you have the "international" Tab (P6800 or 6810), you should be good.
Hope this helps bring a little light in the dark. Welcome to Android !!
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thanks for the reminder to re-read the thread once again..
And thanks again for the quote as well....
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Didn't want to offend you, you just asked an answered question.
jimmbomb said:
Now my next question is please elaborate on a "CWM recovery image"
Please forgive me for not knowing.. as the OP posted his lack of knowledge as well..
Please DO admonish me as well for asking in HIS thread on what a CWM recovery image is.. and or where to get one and how apply and use it..
I think this is a good thread for those who do not understand as the OP started..
His questions were answered...
So is it safe to move backwards for those who would like to know more about this procedure.
Thanks to all who reply.
All replies are welcomed and encouraged..
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CWM recovery means "clock work mod recovery" it is a custom recovery system. You can imagine a recovery system as something like BIOS for pc's. (not true but easier to understand) You can get there by holding volume up button while turning your device on.
So why do you need a custom recovery?
When you get a new android device it has stock recovery system installed which has very limited functionality. If you want to install custom ROMs from your SD card you need to install cwm recovery first. Also you will get ability to do nandroid backup and restore the same. Nandroid backup will copy an exact image of your current system. ROM, apps, configs and so on. You should ALWAYS do a nandroid backup before trying out new ROMs so you can easily switch back if something goes wrong.
Hope I could clear things out for you.
PS: sorry for bad english, it's not my native language
thank you electron..
I DO have the international 6800 that I got from negri..
I routinely swap my ATT sim between this on weekends and my GNote GN7000 during the week,
Using them both on ATT and working great..
Just that I have never flashed anything before on either device..
But I read quite a bit..
I still HAVE NOT got ICS yet on my Note either... Just too scared to pull the trigger..
I must be one of those who need hand-holding walk thru... but I wont ask for that.. not here anyways
repercussions will come down like hell fire..! hahahah
Backup with nandroid equals the image obtained with Norton Ghost / Acronis True Image
Good afternoon,
I've been reading this and other topics on nandroid and I think this is the solution I seek. A friend asked me for help with a project that will donate some tablets (lower-cost devices, probably models the brand GT S 7205 Genesis) for a school of education. He asked my help in order to create a drive "master" which will be configured with a user account that will serve Gmail for sending educational material and a second e-mail account (Hotmail) which students should visit regularly using the default browser to receive Android news and correspond with students from another school that participates in the project.
Since it is not appropriate to provide for children the usernames and passwords of emails, we then create this unity "master" and replicate their content in other units.
My question is whether this backed up with nandroid will copy the user account settings Gmail also logs sessions started with the browser (after all we know that after accessing a site using the standard Android browser, no need to re-enter login / password, unless you log out or erase).
Thanks a lot if I can clarify this question.
mtcdesc-android said:
Good afternoon,
I've been reading this and other topics on nandroid and I think this is the solution I seek. A friend asked me for help with a project that will donate some tablets (lower-cost devices, probably models the brand GT S 7205 Genesis) for a school of education. He asked my help in order to create a drive "master" which will be configured with a user account that will serve Gmail for sending educational material and a second e-mail account (Hotmail) which students should visit regularly using the default browser to receive Android news and correspond with students from another school that participates in the project.
Since it is not appropriate to provide for children the usernames and passwords of emails, we then create this unity "master" and replicate their content in other units.
My question is whether this backed up with nandroid will copy the user account settings Gmail also logs sessions started with the browser (after all we know that after accessing a site using the standard Android browser, no need to re-enter login / password, unless you log out or erase).
Thanks a lot if I can clarify this question.
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Nandroid makes an image of your existing system. Everything will be the same as when you made the backup, inkluding gmail accounts, passwords etc.
I think you can use that method the way you mentioned.
Thanks
boelze, thank you for assisting me to clarify this question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620255
New version 6.10 released with HP Touchpad boot partition backup and other bug fixes. version 6.10
again ameer made this happen for hp touchpad
go there hit the thank you button show some love for him he showed some love for hp touchpad users
and if you have nothing better to do hit the thanks button here to lol lol lol :angel:
Gesture keyboard cm9 and cm10 latest works nice check it out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33598257#post33598257
netkillercat said:
http://forum.xda-dev...d.php?t=1620255
New version 6.10 released with HP Touchpad boot partition backup and other bug fixes. version 6.10
again ameer made this happen for hp touchpad
go there hit the thank you button show some love for him he showed some love for hp touchpad users
and if you have nothing better to do hit the thanks button here to lol lol lol :angel:
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Link doesn't working
thanks fixed link
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it does work. i just checked .
Link works fine
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hi:
i am very late to this party. please forgive my questions ..
there are some 1270 posts in that thread and i just cant read that many
is this a backup / restore alternative to apps like .. titanium
is there a final working guide and maybe FAQ ?
i would like to have something that makes complete backup of all apps, settings , prefs, data , etc..
thanx..
amkaos said:
hi:
i am very late to this party. please forgive my questions ..
there are some 1270 posts in that thread and i just cant read that many
is this a backup / restore alternative to apps like .. titanium
is there a final working guide and maybe FAQ ?
i would like to have something that makes complete backup of all apps, settings , prefs, data , etc..
thanx..
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Not exactly. This is an alternative to another backup tool, nandroid, which is an image backup of your entire Android installation (not just apps and data like Tiranium). If you restore a nandroid everything is exactly the way you had it at the time you backed it up: settings, preferences, apps, data, etc.
this is like using clockworkmod but with out rebooting
So it backs up everything boot/ sys/ data/ cache/ like clockworkmod but no rebooting needed for lazy people like me lol
bananagranola said:
Not exactly. This is an alternative to another backup tool, nandroid, which is an image backup of your entire Android installation (not just apps and data like Tiranium). If you restore a nandroid everything is exactly the way you had it at the time you backed it up: settings, preferences, apps, data, etc.
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thanx for your reply.
this sounds perfect..
concerning our device, is the default backup stored on "sd card" folder?
they use the term external sd card.. makes me think and actual external storage location..
is it pretty much idiot proof.. no way to fubar?
thanx again.
amkaos said:
thanx for your reply.
this sounds perfect..
concerning our device, is the default backup stored on "sd card" folder?
they use the term external sd card.. makes me think and actual external storage location..
is it pretty much idiot proof.. no way to fubar?
thanx again.
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I would actually recommend starting with a normal nandroid backup from your already-installed recovery, instead of using this alternative, first. That way you can get used to the normal way of doing things before changing it up with this. Both TWRP and CWM have the backup ability; just look for "backup" somewhere. The backup is saved on the mounted sdcard, inside /sdcard/clockworkmod. For the recovery method, unless you go in and delete your backups, it's pretty much idiot-proof. Just find the backup option in recovery, perhaps change a couple options like the file name, and hit backup.
bananagranola said:
I would actually recommend starting with a normal nandroid backup from your already-installed recovery, instead of using this alternative, first. That way you can get used to the normal way of doing things before changing it up with this. Both TWRP and CWM have the backup ability; just look for "backup" somewhere. The backup is saved on the mounted sdcard, inside /sdcard/clockworkmod. For the recovery method, unless you go in and delete your backups, it's pretty much idiot-proof. Just find the backup option in recovery, perhaps change a couple options like the file name, and hit backup.
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hi:
i did what you said.. all seemed to go just fine..
soo, what does this new thing started by the OP do that is better / different / etc..??
seems like it couldnt be easier really.
thanx
amkaos said:
hi:
i did what you said.. all seemed to go just fine..
soo, what does this new thing started by the OP do that is better / different / etc..??
seems like it couldnt be easier really.
thanx
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OP's alternative allows you do do that very same backup without rebooting into recovery, so you can keep using the Touchpad while it does a backup.
bananagranola said:
OP's alternative allows you do do that very same backup without rebooting into recovery, so you can keep using the Touchpad while it does a backup.
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oh k.. i forgot the actual post title..
that would be better.. but for me, only if its really easy
at least i now know how to do a complete backup / restore..
thanx
Ok I'm new to flashing roms and slightly confused about nandroid backup and my reasons are this I read that nandroid backup backs up everything apps included but can't reinstall them so for example say I have a fresh clean installed rom I then sync all my apps from play store and have it set up how I like it ,
Next I create a nandroid backup and with all the apps I have installed that backup is now 14 gb in size ,
Now if I ever need to restore my phone I have a huge 14 gab nandroid backup that can't even install the apps so wasting all that space ,
So to get apps installed I need to do a titanium backup of apps again a fair bit of space used but at least I can reinstall them so call me stupid or whatever but would it not be better to just have a copy of your rom image,gaps and vendor on your phone or usb otg together with your titanium apps update zip?
Am I total missing something ?
I
garny68 said:
Ok I'm new to flashing roms and slightly confused about nandroid backup and my reasons are this I read that nandroid backup backs up everything apps included but can't reinstall them so for example say I have a fresh clean installed rom I then sync all my apps from play store and have it set up how I like it ,
Next I create a nandroid backup and with all the apps I have installed that backup is now 14 gb in size ,
Now if I ever need to restore my phone I have a huge 14 gab nandroid backup that can't even install the apps so wasting all that space ,
So to get apps installed I need to do a titanium backup of apps again a fair bit of space used but at least I can reinstall them so call me stupid or whatever but would it not be better to just have a copy of your rom image,gaps and vendor on your phone or usb otg together with your titanium apps update zip?
Am I total missing something ?
I
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You're definitely totally missing something. The first mistake I think you're making is selecting too many of the checkboxes when creating a nandroid backup, it isn't fathomable for a backup to be 14GB in size when selecting the right options. You only need to select system, data, boot, and vendor. Make sure you leave all other boxes unchecked. The second mistake you're making is the belief that your apps aren't reinstalled when you restore a backup. When you create a backup (by selecting the four boxes I mention above) you create a snapshot of your operating system exactly the way it is when you make the backup. This means all of your apps, all of your settings, every single detail is preserved in this snapshot, so when you restore this backup at a later time it will boot up and be in the exact state that it was in when you created the backup, all of your apps will be installed just like they were previously. So there's no need to keep a Titanium backup of your apps for this specific purpose, but you should definitely have a Titanium backup of your apps for if/when you want to try a different ROM. I hope this all makes sense, if not please ask whatever questions you need to. Also check out my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
It contains a lot of information you might find useful, including a section on nandroid backups (section 4).
Ok thanks very much for that , I've just cleaned cache out and uninstalled some apps no longer needed , in that huge backup file was the titanium apps backup folder I forgot to delete like a divy ?
I've just done a backup again and now a backup by twrp is 8921mb according to twrp does that sound about right ? I have loads of apps installed and tomtom go which is about 1gb with uk map installed ?
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Ok thanks very much for that , I've just cleaned cache out and uninstalled some apps no longer needed , in that huge backup file was the titanium apps backup folder I forgot to delete like a divy ?
I've just done a backup again and now a backup by twrp is 8921mb according to twrp does that sound about right ? I have loads of apps installed and tomtom go which is about 1gb with uk map installed ?
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No that's still too high. It looks like you're backing up userdata too which is unnecessary. Do what I said and only back up system, data, boot, and vendor.
That's all I have backed up what you said system boot data and vendor ? Maybe I should just do a clean install of pure nexus then install my apps from titanium then create a nandroid and see what size it comes up with ?
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That's all I have backed up what you said system boot data and vendor ? Maybe I should just do a clean install of pure nexus then install my apps from titanium then create a nandroid and see what size it comes up with ?
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Perhaps you don't have compression enabled for your TWRP backups?
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Perhaps you don't have compression enabled for your TWRP backups?
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That's right. ive just been into twrp and can see there is an option for compression but ive never checked that box, im guessing compression zips up the backup? if so do i need to decompress if i ever need restore?
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That's right. ive just been into twrp and can see there is an option for compression but ive never checked that box, im guessing compression zips up the backup? if so do i need to decompress if i ever need restore?
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Yeah enable contain and it'll reduce the size, you don't need to decompress, TWRP does it automatically.
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Yeah enable contain and it'll reduce the size, you don't need to decompress, TWRP does it automatically.
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thanks a bunch for your time been very helpful
Compression enabled me to get it to 4.99gb
garny68 said:
thanks a bunch for your time been very helpful
Compression enabled me to get it to 4.99gb
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No worries, glad to help.
So I have no idea what happened today. I was trying to restore an older data file and some reason it seems that TWRP somehow deleted everything on my internal storage.
So I had to reinstall a stock image, then reinstalled Pure Nexus.
I lost all my Titanium backup files and pictures. Not super concerned about the pics as I had most backed up already.
Just wondering if there is any app out there or a PC app that might be able to recover my Titanium Backup files? Just don't want to lose some progress I had on some games.
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So I have no idea what happened today. I was trying to restore an older data file and some reason it seems that TWRP somehow deleted everything on my internal storage.
So I had to reinstall a stock image, then reinstalled Pure Nexus.
I lost all my Titanium backup files and pictures. Not super concerned about the pics as I had most backed up already.
Just wondering if there is any app out there or a PC app that might be able to recover my Titanium Backup files? Just don't want to lose some progress I had on some games.
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Hello,
I have never had to recover deleted files yet. But there seems to be a lot of tools available:
https://www.google.fr/search?ei=ZaQ....1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..8.7.1190.4j4Wq56Vd1E
Also: https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-recover-lost-data
Good luck...
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Hello,
I have never had to recover deleted files yet. But there seems to be a lot of tools available:
https://www.google.fr/search?ei=ZaQ....1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..8.7.1190.4j4Wq56Vd1E
Also: https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-recover-lost-data
Good luck...
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many of those apps seem worthless or only for photos. It would actually be nice if I could recover my last TWRP backup. I made one this morning and had a few others saved that were consisting of my BOOT SYSTEM and DATA. Seems like that is hopeless though
TNS201 said:
many of those apps seem worthless or only for photos. It would actually be nice if I could recover my last TWRP backup. I made one this morning and had a few others saved that were consisting of my BOOT SYSTEM and DATA. Seems like that is hopeless though
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Hey,
I guess there must be some forensic tools able to do it, but I don't know their names...
Good luck..
Hey! I was asking if you guys know a good way to fully backup a phone (like cloning it).
I would try some ROM like PA and some other but I also want to be able to good back to the state I'm right now (fully configured, with all apps I need, and when restoring this backup I would like to have exact same app data, configuration, account, everything in fact).
I don't even know if it's possible x)
In all case, thanks for your answer
https://www.technipages.com/how-to-backup-your-entire-android-device
You shouldn't need to install ADB tools though, they come included on the additional partition OnePlus adds with drivers, just copy those files over to your PC
Adb already installed
Thanks for it mate. I'll do this tonight and cross my finger hoping it would work as I think
TWRP. If you are installing ROMs TWRP would already be there and all you would have to do is create a backup.
Orion116 said:
TWRP. If you are installing ROMs TWRP would already be there and all you would have to do is create a backup.
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This will not backup app data, but thanks anyway.
ShiiroSan said:
This will not backup app data, but thanks anyway.
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A nandroid backup through TWRP will backup everything mate.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-is-a-nandroid-backup-and-how-exactly-does-it-work/
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A nandroid backup through TWRP will backup everything mate.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-is-a-nandroid-backup-and-how-exactly-does-it-work/
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... Everything EXCEPT internal storage if using TWRP. I make a zip archive of all storage files and folders and copy it to my computer.
ShiiroSan said:
This will not backup app data, but thanks anyway.
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Yes. It does.
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... Everything EXCEPT internal storage if using TWRP. I make a zip archive of all storage files and folders and copy it to my computer.
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Oh, ok thanks!
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Yes. It does.
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My bad so, I was thinking app data was included in Internal Storage :x
ShiiroSan said:
Oh, ok thanks!
My bad so, I was thinking app data was included in Internal Storage :x
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App data IS backed up by TWRP but anything you see in internal storage is NOT backed up by TWRP.
The way I do it is:
Titanium Backup for all user apps
An app called pairs for Bluetooth and WiFi backup and restore
Create a Nova backup for my home screen setup
Transfer any media (such as photos and music) to my PC
And then I go about flashing a new ROM/clean flashing my current ROM.
I do end up having to go through my ROM settings over again, as well as setting up system apps again, but it's not a huge deal to me.
This feels like the "cleanest" way to backup and restore, so it's a small price to pay! (For me at least lol)
Can you confirm that even chrome app data is being saved and restored? Eg: cookies
Thanks!