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Not sure where else to ask but I was wondering if I could get a good answer on this. To the best of my knowledge, all CDMA hardware in the US is the same. Verizon and Sprint phones to date cannot be used outside of their native carrier. I was told that the software is the limitation. Since Android is now the common denominator, it is feasible to think that we will be able to activate verizon phones on sprint and vice versa. Im moving from ATT to Sprint but see some nice Verizon phones on the near horizon. Thanks.
you can switch from sprint to verizon just like you can from att to tmobile..
you'll get the voice network no problem, it's just that sometimes with the 3g/evdo they run on difference frequencies so you generally don't get their high speed internet
you also have to get the msl info to switch it over
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you can switch from sprint to verizon just like you can from att to tmobile..
you'll get the voice network no problem, it's just that sometimes with the 3g/evdo they run on difference frequencies so you generally don't get their high speed internet
you also have to get the msl info to switch it over
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thanks for the response. in saying that, is the hardware different? all my googling shows what they are the same hardware (frequency wise) but the software is different. so would it be possible for a dev to make the neccessary changes to use a phone on either verizon/sprint?
Its possible to do but the issue is getting everything and registered to work on the other carrier. Usually voice is not an issue its other things like data, mms or sms that can have issues.
The bottom line on this is you are going against the grain of what everyone else does so you can't expect to get much help from the carrier (the big 3).
If Verizon lets you. You would have to ask them to add your phone to their service. Any reason why you would though? If you're joining Verizon just get the Eris, or wait another month for the Dragon/Passion.
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I just did the Alltel to Verizon shuffle with my PPC6800. They reprogrammed the carrier over the air. This messed up my various MSL settings and was generally a PITA. I got into Tech Support and whines (being a girl helps) and they tried getting me different numbers until it all worked fine. I also needed to add a phone line while Alltel since I am waiting for a new phone. I bought one at Mal*Wart for Alltel. They tried again to program it OTA when the switch was made. Rinse repeat but again customer tech support (NOT the billing people) found more magic super double secret numbers and got both instruments working. If the hardware is the same they can fix it ALL through Tech Support over the air- just beg.
I work for Verizon and YES you can use another CDMA's carrier on Verizon. As far as using a VZW phone on Sprint, unless you know someone that can reprogram it, it's not gonna happen. I USE to work for Sprint and they have this "if it doesn't say Sprint, we won't allow it" policy.
Verizon has a request sheet if you want to use your CDMA phone on verizon. You have to fill it out and send it in with your phone. They say it takes a few weeks to get it back all programmed for VZW. I've never tried it but I know people have done it. They usually program phones that they already carry, like Sprint Touch Pro to Verizon Touch Pro.. all they did was flash the rom for Verizon and etc. I uploaded the form on here somewhere.
Hope this helps
yes; i switched to cricket
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580795
I know that Sprint and Verizon both use CDMA for their phones, but does anyone know if I could take my Sprint Hero to Verizon's network and have working coverage?
My sister just bought a Verizon phone and she has full coverage, with 3G, but my Hero frequently says it is roaming.
you can try... probably not gunna be easy to get them to enter that MEID into their system.
sprint doesnt charge extra for roaming UNLESS like, 60% of your calls are roaming, or something like that. In that case, they will actually call you and say "You're roaming too much, you should go to another cell phone provider" (unless the reps in my store are lying to people, lol... I just started working for sprint a couple weeks ago. Lots of people ask about roaming here)
No, Sprint doesn't charge for roaming, but if 60% of your minutes are roaming for 3+ months, they WILL call to discuss terminating your contract. As for Verizon taking on your hero, no, they 99% most likely will not. It's a VERY rare occasion they let a non verizon device on their network.
would be plenty easy to just sell your hero for a decent price and go to Verizon and get the Droid..
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would be plenty easy to just sell your hero for a decent price and go to Verizon and get the Droid..
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eww the droid?! id rather have an Eris. at least its HTC and u can still hang on XDA
HTC 4-life!!!
lol.. i'm not a big motorola fan, but i do like the high resolution screen..
I thought VZW used slightly different bands for EvDO than Sprint? Or maybe I'm just imagining that since AT&T uses different bands... hm.
Seriously, if you have that much of a coverage problem, I'd talk to Sprint about cancelling without an ETF. May have to talk to their retentions department... someone who works for Sprint could shed more light.
(Personally I'd switch to T-Mobile over VZW. Cheaper, and you have an international-standard GSM device ;P)
Highly unlikely Verizon will activate it since it is not in their ESN database even though they use the same bands. Sprint won't activate Verizon phones either.
Moe2005 said:
Highly unlikely Verizon will activate it since it is not in their ESN database even though they use the same bands. Sprint won't activate Verizon phones either.
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yup, if the phone doesnt say sprint either on the phone or in the firmware they will not activate it on their network.
Is_907 said:
I thought VZW used slightly different bands for EvDO than Sprint? Or maybe I'm just imagining that since AT&T uses different bands... hm.
Seriously, if you have that much of a coverage problem, I'd talk to Sprint about cancelling without an ETF. May have to talk to their retentions department... someone who works for Sprint could shed more light.
(Personally I'd switch to T-Mobile over VZW. Cheaper, and you have an international-standard GSM device ;P)
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cheaper but they are way behind on there 3g network they're the reason i switched to VZW
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yup, if the phone doesnt say sprint either on the phone or in the firmware they will not activate it on their network.
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I used to activate non-vzw phones all the time. However, smartphones may not be handled the same.
pretty sure they'll take it...they started their "any app, any device" initiative in 2008
they won't take it. they specifically said they will only activate a phone if it's either unbranded or verizon branded. sprint branding is a no go.
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cheaper but they are way behind on there 3g network they're the reason i switched to VZW
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Around here they're pretty much the same. Also, I imagine where I am is on the short list for HSPA+ from TMo.
Anyway, this is a tangent heh.
I don't think you can swap phones between the CDMA sprint network and the Verizon CDMA network. Don't they use different parts of the spectrum?
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I don't think you can swap phones between the CDMA sprint network and the Verizon CDMA network. Don't they use different parts of the spectrum?
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Not sure about the different parts of the spectrum, but you can definitely move a phone between Sprint and Verizon (from a technical point of view). But you'll have a hard time getting Sprint to activate a Verizon phone on their network. Not sure about a Sprint phone on a Verizon network, but they did make a big deal about their "any device" announcement in 2008, which said that they would allow you to use any CDMA phone.
1. while talk of changing esn is strickly verbotten(i believe?) if one were to find a htc hero that had somehow become corrupt and the meid had been changed to all 00000000000000000's it would be possible to fix with qxdm (the htc hero is essentially the sprint branded htc droid eris)
2. in order to activate phones on the vzw network generally one would *228 ota a cellphone, however in the ota process a vzw phones SPC is (almost)always 000000 while the hero from sprint has a SPC which is a randomly(?) generated number
3. a proper vzw PRL must be loaded to a phone in order to make calls on the vzw network
4. MDN/MIN SID must be properly programmed in order to make calls on the vzw network
5. at this point you will likely need the assistance of a nice vzw tech, as the phone will 611 to vzw, but will not make calls (afaik this is due to a-key authentication?)
if you get the right person at vzw, ask the right questions(why doesnt my vzw branded phone call?), and you have performed the other steps correctly you should have TALK and TXT within 5 min
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-you will still show you are roaming all the time (now ALL the time actually)
-afaik visual voicemail does not work
-if you want data expect to use WIFI or spend a good amount of time studying another VZW handsets various data settings and a good amount of time on VZW support(have not even tried this)
-neither i nor xda are responsible for what you do to your phones and as always anything you do is at your own risk!
Something wierd happended last night. I was trying to install that JIt Dalvik install by following the direction on the gumbo 1.5c. I also attempted to used the mapdroyd app Any event after a reboot I had and when it loaded no signal showed , a damaged SD card sign showed. When attempting to place a call it asked me to dial *228 nothing would result of it . Any event a reformat and install on the OS again fixed. All.Any one know of any reason why that would of happened. I was truly experimenting out of curiosity
I can, and its been done
I would like everyone to know I just spent the last 3 days figuring ALL of this out.
As my understanding is, you can change esn as long as you are and "authorized user" and your not stealing anything, therefore if I have two phones I paid for, and I have service with Verizon (which makes me and authorized user as per their TOS.)
then its not illegal. Anyways, for the sake of education it is possible.
I've swapped out my esn/meid. Transferred all my info via qxdm service programming. uploaded a verizon prl. rooted. and now im looking for a suitable Verizon based rom for the hero... I'm attempting to put a stock 2.1 eris rom on right now. (btw the phone texted and called just fine, I just want to have a complete verizon based rom for the finishing touches)
I am in Canada, so my EVO 4G does not work (no Sprint) - how can I "flash" my EVO 4G to Bell, a Canadian CDMA carrier with the same bands as Sprint?
Good luck.
You should be able to roam if yours is the IO phone with the free service.
If you want to use it on another CDMA carrier you need them to have a PRL which has to be on your phone and the ESN needs to be in their DMD (device management database). Am I forgetting anything? I swear I am forgetting something.
So, good luck.
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You should be able to roam if yours is the IO phone with the free service.
If you want to use it on another CDMA carrier you need them to have a PRL which has to be on your phone and the ESN needs to be in their DMD (device management database). Am I forgetting anything? I swear I am forgetting something.
So, good luck.
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I actually am currently roaming. This is obviously not a long-term solution, because if I was paying for it, the bill would be a few hundred dollars!
I do not know of a way to do this but I do believe that Sprint's Roaming on the Everything pans are free.
DOMESTIC roaming is free. International can be quite expensive.
evo flashing
it can be flashed here in the us to cricket and metropcs, so im sure it can be done for bell as well
Would love to see this flashed to verizon?havin the hd2 on gsm. And the evo on cdma.untouchable.
I doubt it would ever be flashed to Verizon. Verizon would have to allow the ESN into their database, and they just recently locked it down to no longer allow ESN's from other carriers (started with the Touch Pro, I believe) into their database. I'm not sure about Telus' policy on that, but I'm pretty sure if they did allow the ESN onto their database, all you would need to do is load their PRL and you may also have to manually program it, if it can't auto-provision itself...
there are ways to swap your esn. i am not sure about the legality in canada, but i've been led to believe it's illegal in the us. if you had a valid esn in your network, you may be able to swap the esn on your evo to the esn of the other device.
if it's legal in your country.
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it can be flashed here in the us to cricket and metropcs, so im sure it can be done for bell as well
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How can it be flashed to cricket?? I've asked everywhere but no one's pointed me in the right direction yet..
first things first
First you have to see if "EPST" works on android. I know how to do it on winmo, but i don't have an android. if you can get into your EPST you need to know your "MSL" your 6 digit Master Security Lock code. Then you have to change your radio settings. To get to into epst on Winmo you have to dial ##3424# or something like that. Good luck.
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Hello, you can find your answer on my "What is the equivalent of WInMo EPST on Android?" thread.
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How can it be flashed to cricket?? I've asked everywhere but no one's pointed me in the right direction yet..
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Actually it can be flashed to both metro and cricket. there's someone selling a solution at mobilefiles
Go to Development thread...there's a download to enable moving to Verizon . Need to get your MSL code from Sprint....tricky one.
Sprint had crap signal in Iowa...switched to full bar Verizon all weekend.
to flash to cricket, load a cricket prl on to the phone, then get them to activate the esn... theres plenty of info on this, google is your best friend for this
hey just wondering if i could prehaphs unlock or reflash a droid 2 for sprint? i have an evo 4g getting board.... and kinda want a droid with a board thanks for your help
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hey just wondering if i could prehaphs unlock or reflash a droid 2 for sprint? i have an evo 4g getting board.... and kinda want a droid with a board thanks for your help
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Not sure you can do that since Verizon and Sprint have different types of networks. Maybe a Droid 2 Global?
Verizon and Sprint actually do have the same type of network (they both use CDMA), but it would be next to impossible to get a phone from one network activated on the other. Unfortunately, it isn't like the SIM cards, where you can just unlock the phone and put in another carrier's SIM. From what I hear, Verizon won't activate an ESN (device identifier) that isn't from a device they have sold.
Not sure about Sprint, but I haven't heard of anyone successfully doing it in a LONG time.
actually, they dont operate on different network types. sprint and verizon both definitely run on CDMA, and their phones can technically function on either network. the problem is that the IMEI's for each network are only valid on their respective network. If your IMEI is not on the particular network then it will not activate on that network.
the general rule of thumb with sprint and verizon phones: if it doesnt have the corresponding carrier branding on the phone in some fashion, then it will not activate on that particular network.
Also, carrier reps for both of these carriers will not add in your IMEI no matter how much money you say you will throw at them.
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Verizon and Sprint actually do have the same type of network (they both use CDMA), but it would be next to impossible to get a phone from one network activated on the other. Unfortunately, it isn't like the SIM cards, where you can just unlock the phone and put in another carrier's SIM. From what I hear, Verizon won't activate an ESN (device identifier) that isn't from a device they have sold.
Not sure about Sprint, but I haven't heard of anyone successfully doing it in a LONG time.
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My apologies for being misinformed.
I use to have a BB storm and once you "unlocked" it you could use it on other networks. I seem to recall a lively discussion on crackberry.com regarding which networks with which it would work. Now perhaps that's because the storm had CDMA/GSM capabilities, but I'm not sure.
I had a Storm as well. When you unlocked it, you could get it to work on AT&T and T-Mobile, because it was a global phone with a SIM card. You couldn't get 3G on any of the US Carriers, since the 3G frequencies are different in the US and in the rest of the world (so the data would be confined to slow 2G rates).
I did see a rumor recently that T-Mobile eventually did something to lock US Storms out of their networks.
http://crackberry.com/t-mobile-killing-service-unlocked-storm-devices
If you get the Droid 2 Global, you should be able to unlock it and run it on AT&T or T-Mobile with a SIM card. You most likely won't be able to get 3G, though. Probably not worth it.
Hopefully, when Verizon switches to LTE some time in the next year, the phones will be compatible across carriers. From what I understand, Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T are all switching to LTE. It sounds like Sprint is investigating, and my guess is that they will go that direction (ditching WiMax in the long-term). However, I wouldn't put it past the carriers to lock other US devices out of their networks.
Regardless, this won't help much with getting a device to run on Sprint. I'm sure that there will be some more cool Android Devices coming out for Sprint in the future.
A colleague of mine recently activated a DROID X on Sprint, but it was a hassle all around.
Programming the phone through QPST was annoying but doable, it was getting the phone's ESN added to the Sprint database that was a real hassle.
Eventually, my colleague had to work with somebody in Overland Park, KS. (Sprint's HQ) to get it done. After 11 phone calls to Sprint Customer Service (which were totally clueless), he finally sent a FedEx to Steve Elfman's office (President Network Operations) before anybody at Sprint was willing to even consider the addition. A few days after the Fedex was received, somebody from Mr. Elfman's office called my colleague back and worked with him to accomplish the addition.
After all is said and done, my colleague is happy that his DROID X is now on Sprint, but he has said a few times now that it really was not worth the effort that he had to put into it to get it accomplished.
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A colleague of mine recently activated a DROID X on Sprint, but it was a hassle all around.
Programming the phone through QPST was annoying but doable, it was getting the phone's ESN added to the Sprint database that was a real hassle.
Eventually, my colleague had to work with somebody in Overland Park, KS. (Sprint's HQ) to get it done. After 11 phone calls to Sprint Customer Service (which were totally clueless), he finally sent a FedEx to Steve Elfman's office (President Network Operations) before anybody at Sprint was willing to even consider the addition. A few days after the Fedex was received, somebody from Mr. Elfman's office called my colleague back and worked with him to accomplish the addition.
After all is said and done, my colleague is happy that his DROID X is now on Sprint, but he has said a few times now that it really was not worth the effort that he had to put into it to get it accomplished.
Dan
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Hmm, interesting that it can be done though!
If this is true I will get the pure edition otherwise Im getting the Verizon version.
It's false.
Definitely false! Verizon uses CDMA. The XT1095 only has GSM radio.
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Probably would work but only on 4G.
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Definitely won't make calls. I have an XT1095, and tried popping in the SIM from my VZW S3 (after cutting down with a sim cutter--sim confirmed to still work). No data network either. Might be possible by rooting, changing the APN, and then registering the IMEI with Verizon online. Otherwise, nope, the phone won't work on Verizon, even with an activated Verizon sim.
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Definitely won't make calls. I have an XT1095, and tried popping in the SIM from my VZW S3 (after cutting down with a sim cutter--sim confirmed to still work). No data network either. Might be possible by rooting, changing the APN, and then registering the IMEI with Verizon online. Otherwise, nope, the phone won't work on Verizon, even with an activated Verizon sim.
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No, it is not possible. XT1095 doesn't have CDMA radio.
Just picked one up from best buy for $269. I see the m8 gold is at 349... Loving these price drops!
No the pure will not work.
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No, it is not possible. XT1095 doesn't have CDMA radio.
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It's not the CDMA radio stopping you from getting LTE. CDMA only matters for phone calls, and even that will be passed out with VoLTE. The XT1095 supports most of Verizon's LTE bands, so in principle data service is possible. The way Verizon has their data network set up, though, it is not currently possible due the need for specific services to be activated on the network, and good luck convincing Verizon to activate a non-Verizon phone.
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It's not the CDMA radio stopping you from getting LTE. CDMA only matters for phone calls,
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I never said that it would stop you from getting LTE. However, if you are on Verizon, you need CDMA radios for your phone to work reliably as a phone. LOTS of places around my town have spotty Verizon LTE signals. Where I grocery shop, at the mall, inside my favorite restaurant - I drop down to 3G.
This is a common problem for many of us on Verizon's network as Verizon's network was constructed for the 850mHz CDMA to work well in terms of tower spacing. The spacing b/t Verizon's towers by and large is too far apart for LTE coverage to be great everywhere.
You are going off on a tangent - you can't have decent phone service on Verizon and not have a CDMA radio even if you could get the phone activated. And Verizon ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT WHITELIST A PHONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CDMA RADIO. WON'T HAPPEN SO IT IS RIDICULOUS TO EVEN SPECULATE ABOUT IT. And no whitelisted IMEI means no authentication to the Verizon network and no VoLTE/HD Calling. You could use the Hangouts dialer but you couldn't place an HD call through Verizon's VoLTE service.