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With all the latest phones coming out Just a thought as which ones would entice you guys
HTC Hero!
the GSM equivalent of the EVO 3D , gimme 4.3 screen + notification light and dual core, 3d is a bonus! the others lack some of the above and I trust neither moto nor LG, the galaxy S2 came close though.
still dont know what ill will pick then again im getting a new phone in december will see wats out by then
Moved from Hero to DHD and sure its faster but nothing new
Question is how much faster is Dual Core vs say DHD?
Depends what activity, e.g. Tegra Games will most likely look better, web browsing is likely to be slightly quick and smoother and battery life should be better.
The main problem with dual cores is there isn't any software to get the best out of it just now.
Even though benchmark tests look pretty impressive, I'll wait getting one until the software is available. And hopefully by then the phone of choice will be rooted
Does anyone know release dates for Sansung and LG dual core phones in the UK?
etherspin said:
the GSM equivalent of the EVO 3D , gimme 4.3 screen + notification light and dual core, 3d is a bonus! the others lack some of the above and I trust neither moto nor LG, the galaxy S2 came close though.
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You read my mind!
Got my LG Optimus 2X now and i could say it's a new experience
i'll bought a lg 2x, if i get a good deal
Dual-core is not utilized to the full right now, only apps coded specifically to thread processes can reap the benefits. I think the upcoming OS version Ice Cream Sandwich supports two or more cores.
My next phone will have at least dual core, but I will keep my Hero for another year (thanks to Elelinux, Erasmux and the others who keep my Hero alive )
The Oppo Find 5 for China has been silently upgraded to the Snapdragon 600 CPU. It has four cores of the upgraded Krait 300 architecture clocked at the higher 1.7GHz and the same Adreno 320 GPU but with 96 ALUs.
http://www.gsmarena.com/china_mobiles_oppo_find_5_gets_upgraded_with_snapdragon_600-news-6310.php
http://phandroid.com/2013/07/02/oppo-find-5-upgraded-with-snapdragon-600-processor/
I have been contemplating to buy this device for some time now. Once the upgraded version is released internationally I'm definitely procuring one.
Also, how does everyone here like their phone? Worth buying over my current Nexus 4?
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The Oppo Find 5 for China has been silently upgraded to the Snapdragon 600 CPU. It has four cores of the upgraded Krait 300 architecture clocked at the higher 1.7GHz and the same Adreno 320 GPU but with 96 ALUs.
http://www.gsmarena.com/china_mobiles_oppo_find_5_gets_upgraded_with_snapdragon_600-news-6310.php
http://phandroid.com/2013/07/02/oppo-find-5-upgraded-with-snapdragon-600-processor/
I have been contemplating to buy this device for some time now. Once the upgraded version is released internationally I'm definitely procuring one.
Also, how does everyone here like their phone? Worth buying over my current Nexus 4?
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I've had a Nexus 4 and my current phone is the Find 5.
The phones are quite similar with the main differences being on the camera and screen front (the Find 5 trumping the Nexus 4 on both fronts). For me, the main differences are as follows:
1. Screen. The Find 5's screen is a lot better than the Nexus 4's. The colours/brightness are so much better plus it's 1080p.
2. Camera. Nexus 4 8MP/Find 5 13MP. Okay, megapixels isn't a good benchmark but still, the oppo find 5's camera is better.
3. Software. The software that comes preloaded on the Find 5 is crap. It's buggy and jerky. Compare that to the Nexus 4 and the 4 wins outright. However, if you root it and flash a custom ROM the experience becomes more comparable. I've tried 3 ROMs so far and the one that I'm currently running (jellybeer) is running really well with no lag whatsoever.
Interesting to hear about the upgraded CPU. Wish I'd have held off now!!! With a 1.7GHz chip I believe the Find 5 will easily trounce the Nexus 4. Also, when comparing against more mainstream flagship devices (S4/HTC One) I prefer to be using an "Indie" phone that is very different than the average person's mobile.
EDIT: link to a comparison of the Nexus 4 and Find 5 - http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/OPPO-Find-5,Google-Nexus-4/phones/7600,7531
Being in China, I had a chance to handle the TD version at one of the many Oppo stores here. From what the sales guy said, However, it will only be available in China, as the TD version is being tailored and produced exclusively for use on China Mobile's TD-SCDMA 3G service. You may be able to get it from a grey seller, though, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
The firmwares between the two are also incompatible, so the ROMs you find here won't work on the TD unless someone has modified it.
EDIT: The sales guy from two different stores I went to also said that Oppo isn't producing a 32GB version of the Find 5 TD (one also said the regular Find 5) anymore due to low demand, but take it with a grain of salt, as salepeople here aren't usually experts on their company workings.
Thanks TheMadMan10 and Vapourstreak. I'm a little disappointed to learn that there will not be any international version of the Oppo Find 5 with the Snapdragon 600 CPU. I love the looks and build of the Oppo but now I'm wondering whether it'll be a good idea to buy a phone with relatively older specs. The HTC One and Galaxy S4 theoretically should trounce the Oppo in performance.
Would take the F5 over the N4 every time, although the N4 is really nice being stock Android (I've a Find 5 and wife has Nexus 4). The screen above all makes the F5 a winner, besides anything else for me.
Software-wise, I've tried most stock/beta/Chinese Firefly/custom ROMs and have settled on Chinese open beta Firefly which is really smooth and issue-free with good benchmarks (see sig), although people who who use apps I don't have raised issues.
I suppose if you're wanting absolute top-of-the-line specs and are thinking of the S4 or HTC One, maybe wait for the HTC One Google edition? Personally after two years of Touchwiz and the bland design (subjective) with Note and Note 2 and won't be going back anytime soon.
I personally don't think there's any phone on the market right now that looks better than the Oppo. But that's subjective. The earliest I can get my hands on one is October.
However, I also hear that the Oppo is slower then the Nexus 4 in games as the same Adreno 320 GPU has to power a 5" 1080p screen. What's the opinion of all the Oppo owners here?
Yeah I also read about the Adreno and 1080p - think it was Anandtech review (?)
I'm not a massive gamer but play Real Racing 3 quite a bit and haven't noticed slowdown, only that it's smoother than my old Note 2 - especially when races have 22 cars on track. Haven't tried it on the Nexus 4.
If you're waiting until October then you should have a good idea of what's coming up in terms of new models by then. The F5 will be almost a year old in terms of announcement so maybe an upgrade (Find 7?) is in the works.
-- From my Find 5
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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Mandeep148 said:
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
Mandeep148 said:
thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
Mandeep148 said:
ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
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If you have used a Samsung phone in the past you will be accustomed to the lag and you'll enjoy the much improved Touchwiz.
I really hated it on the S3/N2, slightly disliked it on the S4/N3 but ended up liking the S5 version
Battery life and camera are really good.
Performance wise no games should lag or be a problem (only Xcom has managed to drop frames but it's the most demanding game right now).
Hope you enjoy your phone.
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First i bought the H version of the device. Was not happy with the lack of support from devs. Now i own the F version, and already have the wide range of custom FW available. So if you are the flashing geek, than definitely stick to the Snap device
Yesterday I bought Iphone 4, difference is very very big
I don't know how but
Iphone is from 2010. have 512mb of ram. 1Ghz A9 processor.
Our L7 is from 2012. Have 512mb too, and 1Ghz A5 processor.
Iphone is very very smooth,fast I run a lot of apps and there is no lags.
What is that why our L7 lag sometimes, and not responding???
Need someone who know
I know that Apple have too expensive chipset and better quality. But how???
I will be very gratefull if some people view this thread.
@ALEX.IMER He did everything for our devices
@skyinfo because he know everything about kernels, and maybe he knows how to reslove this. @Plamb1r he make scripts without problems :3
@Asce1062
@-CALIBAN666-
@F4uzan
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Yesterday I bought Iphone 4, difference is very very big
I don't know how but
Iphone is from 2010. have 512mb of ram. 1Ghz A9 processor.
Our L7 is from 2012. Have 512mb too, and 1Ghz A5 processor.
Iphone is very very smooth,fast I run a lot of apps and there is no lags.
What is that why our L7 lag sometimes, and not responding???
Need someone who know
I know that Apple have too expensive chipset and better quality. But how???
I will be very gratefull if some people view this thread.
@ALEX.IMER He did everything for our devices
@skyinfo because he know everything about kernels, and maybe he knows how to reslove this. @Plamb1r he make scripts without problems :3
@Asce1062
@-CALIBAN666-
@F4uzan
Sorry if I forgot someone.
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a different OS closed to some device will be more optimized and screen/colors can give a different aspect to your eyes
Cortex A9 is more powerful than a Cortex A5.
According to ARM , CPU's in ascending order with regard to computation power are :
Cortex Family : A5,A7,A9,A15
I think its because of the runtime and the way thay ios manage the ram with apps, idk im just supposing
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4Freedom said:
a different OS closed to some device will be more optimized and screen/colors can give a different aspect to your eyes
Cortex A9 is more powerful than a Cortex A5.
According to ARM , CPU's in ascending order with regard to computation power are :
Cortex Family : A5,A7,A9,A15
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I think its because of the runtime and the way thay ios manage the ram with apps, idk im just supposing
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Idk I think iOS is lightweigh works pretty fast.
I want L7 to work good. Android is much better than iOS, i don't like it.
Paget96 said:
Idk I think iOS is lightweigh works pretty fast.
I want L7 to work good. Android is much better than iOS, i don't like it.
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They are two different systems each one has its advantages and disadvantages
Remember that android apps run over a "virtual" machine java based than iOS apps are directly executed.
Different performance has always been noticed throught benchmark test, but android must be shared to thousand of different devices a single virtual machine rappresent the easier way.
Android is a bit improved with ART runtime...
This is the main difference explained in few lines
@4Freedom has explained better than me
Any way, you know Apple. iPhone 4 is a top end phone whereas L5 is low/mid end..
And we all know apple provides top quality stuff!
And I think iOS is more optimized than android! That explains the smoothness..
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So... another iOS vs Android, huh ?
Let me explain this clearly
1.) iOS programs are launched via a sandbox, but not via 'emulator' like Android . Which is an exact point why does iOS is faster at app executing BUT not at multi tasking.
2.) iOS is well optimized for one type of phone ; iPhone. But, Android is mainly universal so it's clearly explained that Android isn't optimized for ALL of its device.
That's all I know
F4uzan said:
So... another iOS vs Android, huh ?
Let me explain this clearly
1.) iOS programs are launched via a sandbox, but not via 'emulator' like Android . Which is an exact point why does iOS is faster at app executing BUT not at multi tasking.
2.) iOS is well optimized for one type of phone ; iPhone. But, Android is mainly universal so it's clearly explained that Android isn't optimized for ALL of its device.
That's all I know
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Hello my friend I don't see you for a long time thanks for reply. I understand there is 8 versions of Iphone 3G,3GS,4,4S,5,5S,6 and 6+ and other idk and there is a milion of phones which run android. I understand
Thanks for reply.
Any devs out there interested in porting Android Go to the Nexus 4?
There's really no need for it, the phone can still handle the full OS.
It's only suitable for really low-end devices. And the Nexus 4 is far from it. 2GB RAM is plenty for a 720p, especially with AOSP ROMs. And the Krait chipset is still more powerful than an average Cortex-A7 in low-end phones....
I personally would like a pseudo-Android Go ROM basud upon LOS, i.e. a non-Go ROM with some of android Go's tweaks (mainly the background ones).