Stock, AOSP, Lollirock, or? - Nexus Player Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

First of all, im sorry if this is not the appropriate place to post this. I just assume since all the posts on other ROMs were here, this would be it. So if a mod comes across this, please feel free to move it the the right spot.
I was wondering what sort of needs would each ROM be for? Personally, I like stock because everything is remote friendly, a simple environment, etc. But i do find that stock has its limitations, and am unsure if other ROMs could even remedy them, which is why im more curious as to the benefits of each.
What could you do on lollirock that you could do with stock? what about AOSP? I've not used them so honestly i personally dont know, which is why im here asking for information and opinions. From what ive seen with videos and such, they basically just look like your basic stock android that would appear on a regular device. I dont mind having to use a keyboard and mouse to set things up, but id much prefer to get rid of keyboard and mouse whenever i can, so if this mindset is right, then stock is already best for me? But if i can use AOSP or lollirock to configure how i want and allow me to do more, thatd be worth the trouble as long as in the end i can just use the remote or similar.

Depends on your needs. Stock is good for the most part. But stock was a no go for me. I really wanted to stay stock. But.......
I'm with Comcast. The HBOGo App just came out for the NP. I installed it. YAY! It asked for activation. Ok. Asked for my provider.... WTF? Comcast/Xfinity is not a supported provider....
So Comcast/Xfinity subscribers are screwed out of HBOGo. Well, with full AOSP 6.0 I installed the regular HBOGo app using the regular Google Play Store and now I can see all of my HBO shows.
So in the end it depends on what you need. If HBOGo had worked without me needing to root, install AOSP, etc.. I would have stayed stock. But that was not the case.

I'm a little partial to Cyanogen in general, but I'm using lolirock. I'm also using it unencrypted, with the external user partition, a different kernel and Xposed mods. Cyanogen didn't have a force unencrypt script that I saw.

omegatek said:
Depends on your needs. Stock is good for the most part. But stock was a no go for me. I really wanted to stay stock. But.......
I'm with Comcast. The HBOGo App just came out for the NP. I installed it. YAY! It asked for activation. Ok. Asked for my provider.... WTF? Comcast/Xfinity is not a supported provider....
So Comcast/Xfinity subscribers are screwed out of HBOGo. Well, with full AOSP 6.0 I installed the regular HBOGo app using the regular Google Play Store and now I can see all of my HBO shows.
So in the end it depends on what you need. If HBOGo had worked without me needing to root, install AOSP, etc.. I would have stayed stock. But that was not the case.
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Could you explain some other uses on AOSP that you couldnt do on stock? Personally I havent tried HBOGo, but every app I've tried so far, works via sideloading. Apps that were not on the android TV play store, I was able to install from the browser play store, and the ones that simply werent compatible with my device, Id use market helper to make the play store think it was a different, compatible device.

irsuv said:
I'm a little partial to Cyanogen in general, but I'm using lolirock. I'm also using it unencrypted, with the external user partition, a different kernel and Xposed mods. Cyanogen didn't have a force unencrypt script that I saw.
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Could you provide some examples of things you do with lolirock that you couldnt do on stock? like what benefits do you have with cyanogen and xposed?

Lollirock enables some functionality that's missing on stock and AOSP, like working menu buttons.

unvaluablespace said:
Could you provide some examples of things you do with lolirock that you couldnt do on stock? like what benefits do you have with cyanogen and xposed?
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I have always had good luck running Cyanogen on any android I have had. I have tried lots of other roms and regardless of device I have come into issues. Cyanogen just has a larger pool of devs. In lolirock it works like a big android tablet. I like to use a stock looking launcher and all the restrictions turned off. All the roms I flashed, lolilrock had no crashing, minimal force closes, and fairly compatible with apps.

omegatek said:
Depends on your needs. Stock is good for the most part. But stock was a no go for me. I really wanted to stay stock. But.......
I'm with Comcast. The HBOGo App just came out for the NP. I installed it. YAY! It asked for activation. Ok. Asked for my provider.... WTF? Comcast/Xfinity is not a supported provider....
So Comcast/Xfinity subscribers are screwed out of HBOGo. Well, with full AOSP 6.0 I installed the regular HBOGo app using the regular Google Play Store and now I can see all of my HBO shows.
So in the end it depends on what you need. If HBOGo had worked without me needing to root, install AOSP, etc.. I would have stayed stock. But that was not the case.
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You could adb install app or put app.APK on a flash drive and install from file manager. I have stock but for PIA and other android app that arent in NP stock play store, i download the files and install via adb. So far no problems for me. Im quite happy with how mine is setup.
At the end of the day its up to you and your preference. You should try everything out and see what meets your needs best.

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Cm6 pros and cons?

I'm new, my evo is rooted tho but now I wanna install a rom. Isn't Cm6 probably the best? I want one that's not much different just smoother.. can someone give me some pros and cons and also a link to maybe a tutorial of how to download and install roms.
Does it delete anything to install a rom?
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There are a lot of opinions about this subject. There are some real pro's to CM6. The tricky thing for most people to understand is that Cyanogenmod is built from the ground up. So when you say you want something that isn't too different, this is going to probably be more unique than you were expecting.
Some great things about CM6 are hidden all throughout the settings, menus, and functions. For example, CM6 is alot cleaner. There aren't any processes that run in the background that you never installed. Whenever you use a stock rom, HTC and Sprint have a number of pre-installed items running. The result is that it is faster.
One huge advantage for me is that CM6 fixes the bluetooth in the phone. Which means that you can connect a Wiimote. This isn't possible with anything that is a variation of the stock rom. Which means only CM6 or other AOSP roms will be capable of supporting the Wiimote on the Evo.
The Cyanogen team has put more focus into things like the way the audio is processed. They use DSP managers to fine tune your audio.
There are some unique settings you can use as well. For example, by holding the back button, you kill whatever app is in the foreground. This eliminates the need for task killers, and lets you truly close an app when you want to.
The biggest pro for most people is that it is substantially faster. This makes games, and other resource heavy apps run smoother. If you use something like PSX4DROID (a playstation emulator), I would recommend this rom because you can use the Wii Controller, and the games will run smoother.
Overall, it's an engineering marvel, because it's built completely by open source developers. These are guys that all have day jobs and do this as a hobby, and in many ways, they do a better job than Google and HTC who have armies of full time developers. That's why they get so much support. Is because it's truly astounding what they do with their resources.
So this might be the blind leading the blind, but I'm a noob as well when it comes to ROM flashing stuff.. From what little you have mentioned CM6 isn't what you want. CM6 is very good but it is not SenseUI, by default it does not have swype, it does not do 4g, hdmi is not there and I'm sure there are other things... That being said, from what I have read, CM is very good for what it is...
If you want to stay relatively stock but with some tweaks, you likely want to look at Fresh or Myn.. do a search in the XDA evo-->android dev forum (actually usually the main thread for those 2 are on page 1 or 2)..
I have settled on Fresh because it uses the latest Sprint rom as its basis so you get most of the new stuff out of the box ie. swype.
Myn has a beta out there using the new rom, but I don't know where it is to download and I am not a good beta tester so I will just wait..
From a process perspective, I downloaded Rom manager from the Marketplace, flashed the latest Clockwork recovery and used the rom manager to download fresh and let it install it for me.. Be sure to check mark the clean everything checkbox in rom manager when it asks..
Hope that helps...
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I'm new, my evo is rooted tho but now I wanna install a rom. Isn't Cm6 probably the best? I want one that's not much different just smoother.. can someone give me some pros and cons and also a link to maybe a tutorial of how to download and install roms.
Does it delete anything to install a rom?
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I think I'm gonna go with Cm6 just bc it seems like they have plenty of features. But what do u mean not hdmi? Like not even pictures and videos?
Also can someone give me a link to how to install them.. Thanks
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bradleyw801 already did a good job of the Pros, so I'll list the Cons of CM6 (there aren't many):
1. It's the hardest of the ROMs to flash. Reads laughable but to someone who is really new to this whole thing, it's true. Most ROMs you can just flash and tryout. CM6 you need to flash twice: once for CM itself and once for the Google Apps (it's pretty useless without the gapps). ROM Manager makes this pretty painless with a simple checkbox, so follow above advice, but still be aware you need GAPPS.
2. No 4G Support. Yet. That's the keyword, as there are a few devs on this very forum who are runningCM with 4G .... it's just in alpha stages.
3. No HDMI Support. Yet. Again keyword ... but less so. HDMI out is one of those things you hear about every so often but nothing ever surfaces from it. It's like Duke Nukem Forever.
4. For all the Sense bashing that some will do, HTC had some very nice widgets that most people miss when they go to CM. Most notable is the big clock widget. Now there are market apps that emulate it, but the only ones that do a good job of it cost money (beautiful widgets and fancy widgets pro). Be ready to look for apps to replace what came shipped with your EVO if there are some things you like and would rather not be without.
Hope that helps.
Ok now Cm6 doesn't sound great. I actually use my hdmi, are there any roms easy to flash.. i just want one that makes my phone smoother and also so unneeded apps don't run in the background?
Bc mine now is getting slow like when I open my messeges and are going from person to person it takes forever. Thanks again
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jc8081 said:
I'm new, my evo is rooted tho but now I wanna install a rom. Isn't Cm6 probably the best? I want one that's not much different just smoother.. can someone give me some pros and cons and also a link to maybe a tutorial of how to download and install roms.
Does it delete anything to install a rom?
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Well, now that you are rooted it would be a perfect time to get used to making backups and flashing.
You could try making a nand bacckup and flashing CM6(.1.2) and seeing how well it suits you. Like any (or most) ROMs there are themes and you can mess around with different things to make it more to your liking. CM6 is as stock Android as you can get. I don't necessarily dislike Sense, and some of the Sense widgets are really cool (and are for the most part replaceable) but in the end I like the feeling of just plain Android.
The lack of 4G and HDMI out is more of a personal user thing. I haven't missed my 4G and I've been using CM6 for my Evo for almost the whole damn time, since it was first released that is. HDMI never really interested me before, but full UI out is something else entirely. Before it was just hype to me.
CyanogenMod just feels right on the Evo. Best way to decide is to take the plunge and maybe set it up for a day. Restoring a backup is super simple. Take the necessary steps to flash successfully and check it out.
And as for things being deleted off the SD card; not sure if you mean everything or specific things. Things like SMS, call logs etc are not backed up but YOU can back them up in various manners. Some SMS backup apps or what have you which I've never tried. Call log I assume as well. Email and things like that, which are tied to your Google Account are backed up by "The Cloud" or whatever you want to say, and same goes for contacts if you've obviously synced them with your google account. Like, contacts under phone can be synced with google account that way the phone contacts aren't deleted, unless I have that last part wrong.
You can wipe the SD card completely, but that doesn't really happen when you wipe data, cache and dalvik. Just the important stuff so the ROM takes. Check it!
edit: didn't hit submit right away, late post as it seems your not really feeling it. you can remove bloat apps that you don't see fit in ROMs, things that someone might have not removed themselves (even then removed apps are usually available at your discretion) but not all apps can be removed. There are lists about that have "safe to remove apps" and the like.
try it for yourself, if it doesn't do what you need it to, flash another ROM. pretty much any AOSP based ROM has issues with wimax and HDMI but there are many strong ROM's to run, you will probably change it up from time to time and the hardest thing you will find is trying not to flash
You really should try out roms for yourself instead of listening to others. Some people like some things and others like others. I've run CM on 2 phones now (MyTouch Slide and G2) and it's been extremely stable, fast and just fantastic. If it had wimax and hdmi working i'd have it right now (I like watching hulu on my big screen while I eat ).
If you want something that has everything working, myn's warm twopointtwo rom works if you have the older Evo hardware (pre-0004). It's very nice and still runs sense or mikfroyo, which also has sense, but it supports the new evos.
If you want vanilla android and can wait for the wimax and hdmi, get CM, there's just no alternatives. If you can't wait, go to the dev section and look for the threads that start with [rom] and see if any of them suit you better.
Fwiw...I'm a total noob to the android scene. I'm fairly tech savvy, good in general with pc's, hacking tivo's, etc..nonetheless I was very hesitant to root and flash my evo. But, I took three plunge last night, first rooting, then performing a nand backup. I then uninstalled all the sprint apps successfully. I was fairly happy at this point.but I have been experiencing random reboots and sense crashes prior to rooting. So I took the plunge and flashed cm6.1 and gapps last night.
I have to say I wish I had to done this months ago, I love the look, feel,and performance of cm / stock android. I struggled with battery life before flashing, but there is a significant improvement in batt life since ive flashed. I also installed swype beta,as I had received an invite just prior to sprint including swype. Im bummed about the lack of 4g, but 4g is hit and miss in the south bay so I cant complain too much. Oh ya, wifi tether is an added bonus.
I say go for it. ;-)
Well the biggest con is that you can't use 4g or hdmi, which defeats the purpose of buying the evo and paying $10 fee for 4g. Not to mention the fact that stock android looks like a 3rd rate Linux distro from early 2000s.
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so me running cm6 defeats the purpose of me owning my phone????
I dont live in a 4g area......4g is only really advantage when tethering to a laptop
Ok guys thanks for everything but i really need a link so i can figure out how to backup and flash and rom...
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jc8081 said:
Ok guys thanks for everything but i really need a link so i can figure out how to backup and flash and rom...
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Sure. First sticky at the top of the forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881747
The stickies are pretty comprehensive for the EVO. Pretty much anything you'll want to know will be there.
As for CM6. It's super fast. I love it. I don't mind being without 4G (at least when I'm not testing ) and HDMI (I use Twonky Media Server to stream pics and vids to my Xbox over wifi).
Both of these features are coming soon so if you decide to go with another ROM, just keep following CM for updates on these features. When they are done I don't see why you wouldn't use CM.
As for alternative roms... I know Myns is very popular.
Also, I'll note, you can always flash CM6 and play with it for a bit and then wipe and flash any other rom.
tl;dr - Read the sticky, try myns and follow CM progress.
You might want to take a look at MIUI. It's well designed (unlike Sense), is pretty fast (faster than Sense), and has a ton of extra features (like Sense). While it doesn't have WiMax right now the CM guys are close to getting it working; and since both are based on AOSP, it will be relatively easy to port to MIUI. I prefer CM but if I didn't have a iPhone (since MIUI tends to feel like a copy of it) I'd probably use MIUI.
If you can live without 4g then go for it. The battery life is great. I flashed a sense rom today and with in an hour I was flashing back to cm6.
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Ok thanks now one last question I think... when I do nandroid backup does it save my apps? Bc i was watching a video it said u have to nandroid backup and apps with titanium I think...
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bottom line: try a few ROMs, each for a day, and stick with what you like. no substitute for trying it out yourself.
fine print: i'm a vintage user. I was running android on my Vogue before there was an android phone, when GPS would always place you in san fransisco (someone will know what that's all about - thanks dzo). anyways, having a rooted phone is about many things, but one of them is the ability to flash and try what you want.
if you've got a deal breaker, like 4g or HDMI out, sure that limits you now, but as posted before keep reading and trying new things as they come out. if you're lucky, you may yet become a flash-aholic.
i'm a sense guy; not for the launcher (off and on i'm running adw, lp, and sense home, depends on the month), but for the sense apps. I love the sense messaging app, that's the program I use most on my phone. I ran vanilla for a long time on my vogue, and I tried out CM6 for a day. it's just not me. and I never use 4G or HDMI. you won't know what fits you until you try, though.
to each their own. use what you like.
I use to be a die hard CM fan but now Im using MIUI. Both have a lot of nice features.
Titanium Backup will allow you to backup apps selectively and then reinstall them later. (you can do many other things as well) This is very useful, especially for apps that you can not easily obtain. (ie. not available in the app store) An example is any game from GameLoft or a beta that you may have. (like Swype before it was deployed) So after you switch to CM6 or whichever ROM you can then load these apps on to the new ROM.

HULU for TF101 and Prime

HULU just announced that they now support both the TF101 and the prime. So you can now download the the App directly from Google Play. The Interface is much improved over the converted Xoom version we were lucky to have
Was excited until I installed it and got the message:
Required DRM not supported [93]
Your device does not seem to have support for the required DRM engine.
Please check that you have all the latest updates applied to your device and try again.
I am on AOKP 1.5 (haven't upgraded to 1.6 or 1.7 as it is so stable now).
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Trouble with new HULU App
Going back to the modified Xoom apk?
Never worked right for me (previously on Krakd 1.5.2), wouldn't show the list, just a big white area where the shows should be.
I am wondering if it is detecting root and not allowing it. Might have to see if any other tablets are having the same issue (the ones that were added today) and if anyone has resolved it.
Possible that AOKP isn't including that portion due to its very nature.
Read on another thread that it works on rooted stock. Hopefully one of our awesome developers can hack the app like the last one, or find the necessary libs from the stock ROM.
On EOS nightly-14, DRM not supported.. although the set up looks very nice, and just browsing around seems very smooth!
pharrisworth said:
HULU just announced that they now support both the TF101 and the prime. So you can now download the the App directly from Google Play. The Interface is much improved over the converted Xoom version we were lucky to have
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Thanks for the heads up, I had totally given up. Works great, but mine is stock.
Hmmmmmmmmmm
I should have noted, that I'm presently NOT rooted. Lost it on the ICS update, and haven't touched anything waiting for the re-boot cure. HULU app works fantastic!
I'm getting device not supported on lastest ota not rooted. Anyone else getting this?
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could someone post the apk please, im in canada and cant get it from market here but i can make it work with unblock-us.com dns thing(i think).
Not compatible from Google Play
Chadashcroft22 said:
I'm getting device not supported on lastest ota not rooted. Anyone else getting this?
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Yup....still says Transformer TF101 not supported. APK anybody?
Two TFs on ics revolver 1.31, hulu works great on both. This was the only thing I have been waiting for on the TF... I'm a happier Guy now.
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wow, must have been one of the lucky ones. running on rooted stock, and everything seems to be going well.
i've actually just started my hulu plus trial today. I'm trying to watch some naruto episodes (don't judge me) and the app doesn't seem to display any subtitiles (it's an anime, in japanese) ... is this just how the app works, or am i missing a setting?
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Are we talking about regular Hulu or Hulu Plus? Hulu Plus has been supported all along IIRC. I've been waiting for support for a regular Hulu app.
Post the apk please.
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I think the DRM issue has to deal with the adblock that is put in place by the ROM makers. I just switched from Revolver to AOKP and Hulu now no longer works. With Revolver's Spare Parts you can disable adblock. When it was enabled Hulu didn't work, when it was disabled...it did...Now that I am on AOKP adblock comes standard and there is no way to disable it in the settings. While I know enough to follow directions with scripting I don't know how to go about disabling adblock via script on my own, or if it is even possible. I pour over these forums all the time, but never had an opportunity to post anything since all of my would be posts would take place in the developer section. And since there is a 10 post minimum to post there I just continue reading until I find my answer. This situation is to new to have found a workaround for, and I thought I would come out of my shell and post about it. Any help or research into this subject would be fantastically appreciated and I look forward to posting on here time and time again!
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I think the DRM issue has to deal with the adblock that is put in place by the ROM makers. I just switched from Revolver to AOKP and Hulu now no longer works. With Revolver's Spare Parts you can disable adblock. When it was enabled Hulu didn't work, when it was disabled...it did...Now that I am on AOKP adblock comes standard and there is no way to disable it in the settings. While I know enough to follow directions with scripting I don't know how to go about disabling adblock via script on my own, or if it is even possible. I pour over these forums all the time, but never had an opportunity to post anything since all of my would be posts would take place in the developer section. And since there is a 10 post minimum to post there I just continue reading until I find my answer. This situation is to new to have found a workaround for, and I thought I would come out of my shell and post about it. Any help or research into this subject would be fantastically appreciated and I look forward to posting on here time and time again!
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I don't think the Ad Block is the primary issue. Revolver is based on the Asus firmware, right? The roms having problems are AOSP based. I'm running Team EOS at the moment (no ad blocking) and I still can't view in the Plus app. I think it has to do with missing libraries that the "supported" tablets have. Hopefully all it takes is someone more knowledgeable than I to pull them out (this is how we can get Polaris to work on AOSP roms).
Now if you go ahead and block ads, this will prevent viewing as well. Just as it does with the cracked version of Hulu Plus (old app).
FlipDroid said:
I think the DRM issue has to deal with the adblock that is put in place by the ROM makers. I just switched from Revolver to AOKP and Hulu now no longer works. With Revolver's Spare Parts you can disable adblock. When it was enabled Hulu didn't work, when it was disabled...it did...Now that I am on AOKP adblock comes standard and there is no way to disable it in the settings. While I know enough to follow directions with scripting I don't know how to go about disabling adblock via script on my own, or if it is even possible. I pour over these forums all the time, but never had an opportunity to post anything since all of my would be posts would take place in the developer section. And since there is a 10 post minimum to post there I just continue reading until I find my answer. This situation is to new to have found a workaround for, and I thought I would come out of my shell and post about it. Any help or research into this subject would be fantastically appreciated and I look forward to posting on here time and time again!
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Heya. Disabling most ad blocks are quite easy. Just open up a terminal using a Terminal Emulator and run the following commands:
su
rm /etc/hosts
echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" >> /etc/hosts
exit
exit
You have to reboot your tablet after doing this (to flush the DNS cache), but ads will be enabled then. If you want to re-enable adblock, I suggest grabbing AdAway from the Google Play Store, which will make enabling/disabling ads easier in the future.
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Artood2s said:
I don't think the Ad Block is the primary issue. Revolver is based on the Asus firmware, right? The roms having problems are AOSP based. I'm running Team EOS at the moment (no ad blocking) and I still can't view in the Plus app. I think it has to do with missing libraries that the "supported" tablets have. Hopefully all it takes is someone more knowledgeable than I to pull them out (this is how we can get Polaris to work on AOSP roms).
Now if you go ahead and block ads, this will prevent viewing as well. Just as it does with the cracked version of Hulu Plus (old app).
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Yeah I think you are correct, I thought about that after I posted it. That makes more sense than just adblocking.
Does anyone know where this required DRM stuff sits? Is it married into Adobe Flash, and we're missing a certain Flash version?

Call to Arms! - Root detection

There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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I know that feel bro
*insert hug meme*
irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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Siyah kernel does support temp unrooting, but somehow Sky Go still knows your phone is rooted, and it won't work. So far from the reading I have done there is no solution to this other than to flash back to a stock unrooted firmware.
I don't think it will become the rule on android, because there are to many apps that even need root, but at ios, probably because jailbreak is the only possibility to get, at least partially, out of their ecosystem.
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someone found a work around for the Barclays banking app I think...I'm sure it was here in general so you may find some hints there
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here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823649
[HOW TO] Barclays Mobile Banking working on rooted S3
As far as I know. Sky Go has gotten around everything so far.
I see not to far in the future a situation where you have to either root and lose lots of apps you use or lose the root lose lots of apps you use.
That's a crap situation for sure
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Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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Lennyuk said:
Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
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This sux for sure.
On iPad they sandboxed the app in its own virtual environment. could this trick it into think its running on unrooted firmware?
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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You cant get the content without a subscription anyway, the problem has been people UDID spoofing and getting more active devices than they are allowed. Its a joke that they limit this anyway they should just make it so you can only be logged in on 2 devices at any one time using traditional methods like IP address and IMEI
alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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temporary unroot doesnt even work so i dont know how it works personally. Out of my depth on this
alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
irzero said:
Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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the Apple skygo app works differently, it doesn't check for IMEI.
wifi-only android tablets do not have IMEI numbers so it will always fail this check
Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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alias_neo said:
How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
Lennyuk said:
Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
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Surely you can modify it to spoof the signature the app uses to send to the server...
They really have gone all out eh.
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Well done sky, you bastards!
I have a Nexus 7 2012 WiFi only so ytheres no chance of using it on there :'(
Thanks LennyUK

Procedure & Files for upgrading Mad Catz Mojo

Due to the recent price drop for the MCM there has been some renewed interest on fb in the MCM. It took many hours to collect the files and figure out how to get it going right so to save others some time I put an instruction PDF together along with all the files you need.
It's located in a public google drive folder located at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8TeTD5Bph9dMkJyX1N5ZktBcHM
Have fun,
Phoenix4848
Phoenix4848 said:
Due to the recent price drop for the MCM there has been some renewed interest on fb in the MCM. It took many hours to collect the files and figure out how to get it going right so to save others some time I put an instruction PDF together along with all the files you need.
Have fun,
Phoenix4848
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Thnx Phoenix, yes i bought one today (wednesday delivery) and was surfing around clipping and downloading stuff. about the MOJO. This looks easy enough to use. Thank you for your work already done !
Still in doubt if i want android TV installed or CM as i bought also a android TV remote with it (not even sure if these work but i costs only $4). Love the shields laucher/desktop.
Got one also start play with it now .....look cool and fast.
thanks a lot OP. very helpful.
Excellent work and thanks, @Phoenix4848! Don't forget that there are alternative methods of flashing, and also other ROMs out there. I recommend setting up Fastboot just as a safety net; it can save your bacon if something goes wrong with Flashify. This XDA section is a gold mine of info on the MOJO, but you don't need that link, do you?
kevinthefixer said:
Excellent work and thanks, @Phoenix4848! Don't forget that there are alternative methods of flashing, and also other ROMs out there. I recommend setting up Fastboot just as a safety net; it can save your bacon if something goes wrong with Flashify. This XDA section is a gold mine of info on the MOJO, but you don't need that link, do you?
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Thank you for the feedback. Yes I want to install Remix OS on a different mojo; I won't attempt that until I have Fastboot up.
I created the folder/link for a kodi box support group on fb. The procedure is simple enough for the average user and it's important mojo owners get rooted and SuperSU installed - there is a piece of ransomware that is targeting Android 4 devices. CM 12.1 is stable and user friendly - and it's android 5.1 which will run the newer versions of Kodi.
Adding it here was an afterthought.
Phoenix4848 said:
Thank you for the feedback. Yes I want to install Remix OS on a different mojo; I won't attempt that until I have Fastboot up.
I created the folder/link for a kodi box support group on fb. The procedure is simple enough for the average user and it's important mojo owners get rooted and SuperSU installed - there is a piece of ransomware that is targeting Android 4 devices. CM 12.1 is stable and user friendly - and it's android 5.1 which will run the newer versions of Kodi.
Adding it here was an afterthought.
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Good thought, even if it was after. You don't need fastboot to install RemixOS, or any other one, but if your MOJO is soft-bricked and you can't get into TWRP recovery you can fastboot boot the recovery and flash from that. You can also fastboot flash the recovery. And BTW you do not necessarily need MoDaCo's fastboot, if you're set up for other Droids like I was you can use your existing fastboot setup. I find it easiest to do from Linux.
Yes, I like the Lollipop ROMs myself, a huge advance over KitKat (IMHO they shouldn't have bothered to release KK). And Marshmallow is even better, much to my amazement. I wish I had the extra time to learn to port ROMs myself, there'd be a MM ROM out for the MOJO about now!
Fastboot set up?
kevinthefixer said:
Good thought, even if it was after. You don't need fastboot to install RemixOS, or any other one, but if your MOJO is soft-bricked and you can't get into TWRP recovery you can fastboot boot the recovery and flash from that. You can also fastboot flash the recovery. And BTW you do not necessarily need MoDaCo's fastboot, if you're set up for other Droids like I was you can use your existing fastboot setup. I find it easiest to do from Linux.
Yes, I like the Lollipop ROMs myself, a huge advance over KitKat (IMHO they shouldn't have bothered to release KK). And Marshmallow is even better, much to my amazement. I wish I had the extra time to learn to port ROMs myself, there'd be a MM ROM out for the MOJO about now!
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How do you set up Fastboot on the MOJO?
Thanks
Phoenix4848 said:
Due to the recent price drop for the MCM there has been some renewed interest on fb in the MCM. It took many hours to collect the files and figure out how to get it going right so to save others some time I put an instruction PDF together along with all the files you need.
It's located in a public google drive folder located at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8TeTD5Bph9dMkJyX1N5ZktBcHM
Have fun,
Phoenix4848
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Thanks Phoenix4848 - works for me....
Thx Phoenix4848...
Works fine and makes me happy.
Regards from Germany
For 50 bucks this is the best android device in the market
does Amazon video player app work on mad catz device? I'm prime member lt install but can't play any movie..... anyone know why?
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ponghclub said:
does Amazon video player app work on mad catz device? I'm prime member lt install but can't play any movie..... anyone know why?
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Not a clue. But here's a couple things to try:
1) Call or e-mail Amazon tech support
2) Try a different ROM on the MOJO
Remix maybe?
ponghclub said:
does Amazon video player app work on mad catz device? I'm prime member lt install but can't play any movie..... anyone know why?
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Probably not a problem with the Mad Catz device probably a problem with the OS. Stock is Android 4.2, CM doesn't seem to work with every player. Remix works with more players but I don't know if it will work with Prime. I'll try later.
ponghclub said:
For 50 bucks this is the best android device in the market
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It really is isn't it? Once you get over the hurdle of flashing a decent ROM, you're set. Fantastic little gadget. I was very lucky to get it for £60 here in the UK. I don't think I've ever had emulation play so well on anything before.
thank you ...for reply and advice now I will try to flash the new ROM I have to read more instruction.... again thanks
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OK I have chat with Amazon IT tech he said most game console can't play Amazon video that the end of it and I get $5 for the next purchase. I will install the new ROM next...wish me luck!
PS: I still have doubt some of us have Amazon prime member install the video app to see ..is he right? thanks
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ponghclub said:
OK I have chat with Amazon IT tech he said most game console can't play Amazon video that the end of it and I get $5 for the next purchase. I will install the new ROM next...wish me luck!
PS: I still have doubt some of us have Amazon prime member install the video app to see ..is he right? thanks
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I'm a Prime member but it'll be a couple weeks before I get a real chance to fiddle with it, so if nothing more comes up to prevent it, maybe I'll try it on CM12.1 then. Too many irons in the fire now...
Last year, there was a workaround to play Prime videos via the Dolphin Browser with flash activated. However, ever since Amazon Prime Video dropped Flash support, it's no longer working.
Prime was the reason I bought my first MOJO, ended up selling it when the the workaround stopped working. As of now, I use the (second) MOJO for Kodi and the Youtube App only.
It's truly a shame we can't use it for a service we pay for, especially when they claim on their website that all android systems (>4.0) are supported.
I haven't tried any other custom ROMS since the stock meets my needs for now(minus Prime Video). But please do let us know if it works on the custom ROM you try.
Amazon Video works on Remix
AndroidSupaFan said:
Last year, there was a workaround to play Prime videos via the Dolphin Browser with flash activated. However, ever since Amazon Prime Video dropped Flash support, it's no longer working.
Prime was the reason I bought my first MOJO, ended up selling it when the the workaround stopped working. As of now, I use the (second) MOJO for Kodi and the Youtube App only.
It's truly a shame we can't use it for a service we pay for, especially when they claim on their website that all android systems (>4.0) are supported.
I haven't tried any other custom ROMS since the stock meets my needs for now(minus Prime Video). But please do let us know if it works on the custom ROM you try.
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I just got Amazon Video working on the Remix ROM. No tricks, it just works.
Additional note Xposed also works on that ROM. And Paragon should offer NTFS support. I like Remix - next step get a HDD working.

Kindle Fire Jem Roms

I still got
cm-11-20141112-SNAPSHOT-M12-jem
and
cm-12.1-20161016-NIGHTLY-jem
I'm done with this device, but seems that a lot of people having trouble finding a good Android rom for it. I've tested bunch of other roms such as Candy 5 and Lineage 14 but none of them runs smoothly as CM11.
CM12 is a bit laggy compared to CM11 but both are pretty usable. If you don't mind older 4.4 then use CM11. If you don't mind a bit lag use CM12.
My dad, however (the device is my dad's) manage to get it into bootloop multiple times with CM11, I don't know how; probably because bunch of "booster" craps he installed there, while on my test with daily regular use for about two weeks or so, seems to be VERY stable.
The device itself however, is waaay too old and outdated for more hardware intesive like 3D games and such. I cannot even get the dynamic background on Retroarch, so I don't bother trying it at all. For other casual stuffs, just some very rare occasional hangs while watching youtube, but that's all as far as I can remember. Chrome works well too. 1080p movies can play well with MXPlayer pro.
But in the end rather than get naggings by my dad about the bootloops, I decided to restore it to stock and let him get the apps from amazon appstore. Just so you know that not everybody get the same smooth experience as I do. As my experience goes, CM11 is the best rom for this device. But not to my dad.
Both roms (CM11 and 12) are intended for 8.9" kindle fire JEM (NOT tate)
With that in mind, I have no more use for the roms. So rather than being left to dust and forgotten, any idea where I can upload these roms so it stays online forever? They're about 200 megs each, so about 500 megs.
If there's no good free space/file transfer service, I'm uploading these to Degoo, since I don't use it at all despite its generous space, and probably will forgot about it in the future and it'll stay there forever.
stubbe said:
I still got
cm-11-20141112-SNAPSHOT-M12-jem
and
cm-12.1-20161016-NIGHTLY-jem
I'm done with this device, but seems that a lot of people having trouble finding a good Android rom for it. I've tested bunch of other roms such as Candy 5 and Lineage 14 but none of them runs smoothly as CM11.
CM12 is a bit laggy compared to CM11 but both are pretty usable. If you don't mind older 4.4 then use CM11. If you don't mind a bit lag use CM12.
My dad, however (the device is my dad's) manage to get it into bootloop multiple times with CM11, I don't know how; probably because bunch of "booster" craps he installed there, while on my test with daily regular use for about two weeks or so, seems to be VERY stable.
The device itself however, is waaay too old and outdated for more hardware intesive like 3D games and such. I cannot even get the dynamic background on Retroarch, so I don't bother trying it at all. For other casual stuffs, just some very rare occasional hangs while watching youtube, but that's all as far as I can remember. Chrome works well too. 1080p movies can play well with MXPlayer pro.
But in the end rather than get naggings by my dad about the bootloops, I decided to restore it to stock and let him get the apps from amazon appstore. Just so you know that not everybody get the same smooth experience as I do. As my experience goes, CM11 is the best rom for this device. But not to my dad.
Both roms (CM11 and 12) are intended for 8.9" kindle fire JEM (NOT tate)
With that in mind, I have no more use for the roms. So rather than being left to dust and forgotten, any idea where I can upload these roms so it stays online forever? They're about 200 megs each, so about 500 megs.
If there's no good free space/file transfer service, I'm uploading these to Degoo, since I don't use it at all despite its generous space, and probably will forgot about it in the future and it'll stay there forever.
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These roms are already on XDA.
Pix12 said:
These roms are already on XDA.
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Okay then I'm deleting these roms. It's just that most people on the CM for Jem thread are having difficulties finding the download links.
If it is available here, there's no use of me keeping them. I've converted my dad's Kindle Jem back to stock anyway.
stubbe said:
Okay then I'm deleting these roms. It's just that most people on the CM for Jem thread are having difficulties finding the download links.
If it is available here, there's no use of me keeping them. I've converted my dad's Kindle Jem back to stock anyway.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20161224214824/https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=jem
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sd_shadow said:
http://web.archive.org/web/20161224214824/https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=jem
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Wow archive.org works with files too huh. I never realize that before.
Thanks!
In that case, is there any way to get the latest liquidsmooth rom for jem?
I might try it once again see if it's more stable than CM.
I've tried both direct link to
http://www.drdevs.com/devs/teamliquid/Milestone/Kindle_Fire_HD_8.9/
and XDA thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hd/8-9-development/rom-liquidsmooth-v3-1-t2822230
but shown
Hrm.
The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.
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I can't seem to find other link besides that drdevs.com one
stubbe said:
Wow archive.org works with files too huh. I never realize that before.
Thanks!
In that case, is there any way to get the latest liquidsmooth rom for jem?
I might try it once again see if it's more stable than CM.
I've tried both direct link to
http://www.drdevs.com/devs/teamliquid/Milestone/Kindle_Fire_HD_8.9/
and XDA thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hd/8-9-development/rom-liquidsmooth-v3-1-t2822230
but shown
I can't seem to find other link besides that drdevs.com one
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Many download sites don't allow remote indexing or whatever Wayback machine needs to copy the site and files.
sd_shadow said:
Many download sites don't allow remote indexing or whatever Wayback machine needs to copy the site and files.
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aww okay then
thanks BTW
Further to this post
i have all cyanogen/lineage (including Temaseks) roms for kindle firehd 8.9 (12-14)
not wanting to mirror them without the devs permission but if anyone needs them @ tag me and i can pm a mega.nz link to my cloud.
I also have working KFHD FirstAide and KFHD SRT1 and 2 as well as stock 8.5.1 and boot.imgs for anybody struggling to find working links
Respect
@Bertonumber1 Like o get a hold of those roms for the 8.9 jem. Have a few and like to pass to younger grandkids so they can tear them up wile learning

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