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Hello.
I am interested in a highly secure Rom for the evo. I would like it to be free of Google or anyother corporately monitored system. real opensource experience free of all this monitoring and tracking and data minning. Maybe with a nice user friendly firewall for all connections. how about built in 512 bit encryption. For private txt messaging.
Let's hear from the community on this.
I may be wrong but... Evo is an Android phone... Android = Google. I don't think you'll have much luck getting a Google free Android phone.
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You know these are google/android forums right? I don't think it will be possible at all....
Do you want an aluminum foil hat with that ROM?
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Dude that will never happen. Thats all i have to say
Umm don't listen to anyone who previously posted. You could easily use CyanogenMod with out Google apps to do this. You would be missing the market and any standard app that has the word Google before it like Google maps, but I guess now you could use the Amazon market anyway.
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Actually i had a Samsung intercept that originally had Google android rom and ended up with a non-google phone in the end...... Accidentally flashed a radio from differnet phone and after no signs of Google ..... Or signs of really anything but made a great paper weight!
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u921333 said:
Actually i had a Samsung intercept that originally had Google android rom and ended up with a non-google phone in the end...... Accidentally flashed a radio from differnet phone and after no signs of Google ..... Or signs of really anything but made a great paper weight!
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i dont think you understand what he means... im not a troll . but he said he doesnt want it to have google ,also for it to keep everything private... also look at my new signature LMFAO
sorry quoted wrong guy but yeah if he is lucky and doesnt brick.
how would this be possible ? dont you need a google account to even use the phone ? could probably be wrong.
josh995 said:
I may be wrong but... Evo is an Android phone... Android = Google. I don't think you'll have much luck getting a Google free Android phone.
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You think wrong.
knowledge561 said:
You know these are google/android forums right? I don't think it will be possible at all....
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You think wrong too.
tgruendler said:
Do you want an aluminum foil hat with that ROM?
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Will it match your dunce cap?
davidc23 said:
Dude that will never happen. Thats all i have to say
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You are giving wrong info, that's all I have to say.
jvward said:
Umm don't listen to anyone who previously posted. You could easily use CyanogenMod with out Google apps to do this. You would be missing the market and any standard app that has the word Google before it like Google maps, but I guess now you could use the Amazon market anyway.
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Finally someone smart in this thread.
Any ASOP ROM which doesn't include GAPPS like cyanogyn mod or deck's ASOP rom will do this (minus the sms encryption) as long as you don't flash the GAPPS add ons or enable my location.
I really hate when people act like experts, but don't know what their talking about.
I don't think you're going to find this for the EVO, although I imagine there's a phone out there somewhere that you can accomplish this with.
datajosh said:
I don't think you're going to find this for the EVO, although I imagine there's a phone out there somewhere that you can accomplish this with.
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Wrong again, check my post immediately above yours.
mjs1231 said:
Hello.
I am interested in a highly secure Rom for the evo. I would like it to be free of Google or anyother corporately monitored system. real opensource experience free of all this monitoring and tracking and data minning. Maybe with a nice user friendly firewall for all connections. how about built in 512 bit encryption. For private txt messaging.
Let's hear from the community on this.
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When you say free of google what do u mean?? Evo runs android, android is created by Google. There is no way you could have android without Google. If you mean Google apps, as someone else said just run cyanogenmod without GAPPS. You wont be able to do much, won't even be able to load apps that aren't preinstalled.
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You think wrong.
You think wrong too.
Will it match your dunce cap?
You are giving wrong info, that's all I have to say.
Finally someone smart in this thread.
Any ASOP ROM which doesn't include GAPPS like cyanogyn mod or deck's ASOP rom will do this (minus the sms encryption) as long as you don't flash the GAPPS add ons or enable my location.
I really hate when people act like experts, but don't know what their talking about.
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It wouldn't be anymore secure than the current version of Android being ran (which he mentioned and is apparently worried about).. but as far as all the 'monitoring and tracking' and what not, I mean, sure. But what would be the point? Seems like a pretty half assed Android experience.
There is only so much that can be done without the use of, say, GApps ... might get the job done but would essentially kill the idea of even owning said phone.
Get Yo'Self a Jitterbug
bwcorvus said:
When you say free of google what do u mean?? Evo runs android, android is created by Google. There is no way you could have android without Google. If you mean Google apps, as someone else said just run cyanogenmod without GAPPS. You wont be able to do much, won't even be able to load apps that aren't preinstalled.
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Obviously the OS is made by Google, but I don't think that's what he meant. I think he means a rom which won't constantly sync with google's servers.
Also, you CAN sideload apps without market or GAPPS installed, the trick is just to find the .apk files somewhere other than google market, but most are on either amazon market or Edit, so again another WRONG piece of info given out here.
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It wouldn't be anymore secure than the current version of Android being ran (which he mentioned).. but as far as all the 'monitoring and tracking' and what not, I mean, sure. But what would be the point? Seems like a pretty half assed Android experience.
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Although I wouldn't do it myself, I can see the point. You would have way better battery life without the constant syncing. Also takes much less ram. Not everyone cares about sync with gmail, contacts, and calendar. Some just want a nice smooth OS. It would be more secure, because everything wouldn't go through google's servers.
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Hello.
I am interested in a highly secure Rom for the evo. I would like it to be free of Google or anyother corporately monitored system. real opensource experience free of all this monitoring and tracking and data minning. Maybe with a nice user friendly firewall for all connections. how about built in 512 bit encryption. For private txt messaging.
Let's hear from the community on this.
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Seriously? This is like asking for the competitor iPhone and not wanting Apple to make it. If you didn't want a Google phone then why did you buy a phone with software developed by Google? Please don't tell me you Yahoo'd your phone. That would just be an Epic Fail!
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Seriously? This is like asking for the competitor iPhone and not wanting Apple to make it. If you didn't want a Google phone then why did you buy a phone with software developed by Google? Please don't tell me you Yahoo'd your phone. That would just be an Epic Fail!
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Actually it's more like having an iphone and not paying for mobile me. But in this case it's a better situation because you wouldn't have to register with google to get the apps (get them somewhere else as I suggested previously), like you would have to with apple.
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Although I wouldn't do it myself, I can see the point. You would have way better battery life without the constant syncing. Also takes much less ram. Not everyone cares about sync with gmail, contacts, and calendar. Some just want a nice smooth OS. It would be more secure, because everything wouldn't go through google's servers.
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I get the 'tracking' and what not ... but no one is really 'tracking' you. Recorded, maybe. But what does that even really matter in the end?
I get that you want to point out that it can be done, and others were wrong, but it was a silly question none the less.
And, sure, of course - less RAM. And no syncing? Could always disable. But freeing up RAM and what not? Running a smooth experience? It's not going to be that much smoother than should you elect to NOT use proprietary apps. It's not going to be a 'night and day' thing.
I'm more or less curious what the OP wants to do with his phone. Yeah, getting apps from other avenues is always a possibility ... sure. But getting apps from outside of the Market isn't going to offer less system stability, or smoothness, as opposed to getting them from the market.
Sure, I suppose it could be done ... but what are you trying to do? And, as said, it's only as secure as the latest version of Android ... which is constantly facing security issues.
It was sort of a silly post. Gotta admit that much.
Hey guys and gals,
Tonight my a500 was stolen. I work in sales and use it to look things on the net for customers (like price comparisons, etc) and use it for the website and lots of other business-type things (as well as lots of personal pics etc).
But, unfortunately when my back was turned, someone swiped it...!!!! argh:angry:
I had the newest release of jellybean on it from the forums here on xda, but had no remote wipe app installed (never even crossed my mind to do it). Therefore, I'm wondering if the is any remote wipe abilities in jellybean or if there was an app by chance that i had installed that would have this feature hidden (like onavo or norton utilities... reading now).
If anyone can help that would be amazing! Changed all my passwords, etc. So, I should be fine there. thanks guys
k
kylereid said:
Hey guys and gals,
Tonight my a500 was stolen. I work in sales and use it to look things on the net for customers (like price comparisons, etc) and use it for the website and lots of other business-type things (as well as lots of personal pics etc).
But, unfortunately when my back was turned, someone swiped it...!!!! argh:angry:
I had the newest release of jellybean on it from the forums here on xda, but had no remote wipe app installed (never even crossed my mind to do it). Therefore, I'm wondering if the is any remote wipe abilities in jellybean or if there was an app by chance that i had installed that would have this feature hidden (like onavo or norton utilities... reading now).
If anyone can help that would be amazing! Changed all my passwords, etc. So, I should be fine there. thanks guys
k
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Sorry mate. Not a lot you can do about it at this time.
Just cherish the thought of what's going to happen when he decides jb is too buggy, and tries to install a different rom. :laugh:
I suppose a new user will be posting all kinds of questions here at xda in the near future!
Still sorry to hear it got pinched. I know the feeling.
MD
thanks man. thought i was buggered lol. I left a facebook update that i hope shows up on the notifications in the tablet and make the culprit feel guilty. maybe it'll show up in the morning at work... fingers crossed. made me look at getting a wipe app for the old phone now, went with seekdroid. seems legit. any other suggestions?
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thanks man. thought i was buggered lol. I left a facebook update that i hope shows up on the notifications in the tablet and make the culprit feel guilty. maybe it'll show up in the morning at work... fingers crossed. made me look at getting a wipe app for the old phone now, went with seekdroid. seems legit. any other suggestions?
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Well, I don't have a lot of faith in those types of apps. They usually only work if an idiot steals it. Over here, pinching phones and tabs is big business, and usually done by pro's. They're quick to dump the device to another agent, who runs a stock full rom on it, clones the IMEI number from a good device , then dumps it to one of the umpteen million fly by night resellers. They (moscow govt) talked about cracking down on multiple PH number/IMEI combinations, then quickly realized over half the devices in Russia would stop working! Including their own!
Best thing to do, never let it out of your sight. Get a new device, like I did my phone, and the pain goes away.
But then again, maybe your culprit is a true idiot, and will post fotos to your facebook account!!!!!
MD
WAS YOU SIGNED INTO GOOGLE maps? latitude?
if so go to google.maps and click location history u can now see where your a500 is!!!!
good luck and hope you kick his ass:good:
i have "prey" software installed on all my devices for such problem
Did you try that Plan B yet or is that just over advertised junk?
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Well, I don't have a lot of faith in those types of apps. They usually only work if an idiot steals it. Over here, pinching phones and tabs is big business, and usually done by pro's. They're quick to dump the device to another agent, who runs a stock full rom on it, clones the IMEI number from a good device , then dumps it to one of the umpteen million fly by night resellers. They (moscow govt) talked about cracking down on multiple PH number/IMEI combinations, then quickly realized over half the devices in Russia would stop working! Including their own!
Best thing to do, never let it out of your sight. Get a new device, like I did my phone, and the pain goes away.
But then again, maybe your culprit is a true idiot, and will post fotos to your facebook account!!!!!
MD
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The last person to steal one of my phones was a true idiot. This happened at my school and good thing I'm done with school. I was in class and had my phone charging and I had it out because I trusted most everyone in the room and would known who would have taken it.
So he asked if it was my phone and about a minute later he leaves the room. I noticed it was gone and others around me saw him take it. (Not obvious at all)
So I had the Vipre Mobile Security beta installed so I immediately logged into the web interface to activate GPS tracking and set off the alarm. Except when I logged in the service hadn't communicated when the app/phone in over a month so it was useless.
Over the period of the next 24 hours he had used the phone to take photos, delete everything on my sdcard, spam my YouTube feed with countless videos, and make voice calls to their own friends and family. So I looked on my carrier's account management and found all these numbers. Between the school staff and police it was possible to track the calls back to his identity. I got my phone back the next day...without the case and screen protector, sucks that they kept that.
So the lesson is make sure you have good, working anti theft solutions with cascading failsafes.
The next app I installed after ditching Vipre was Avast. This was a good solution with some flaws. Avast was one of the first Play Store security apps to utilize root access. Because of root in addition to setting as a device administrator it was also installed as a system service and app. This made it persistent and harder to remove.
The issue with avast was since the app was in /system and not /data it would have to be completely reconfigured after flashing each nightly update. Sometimes I'd forget and then it wouldn't work. It claimed to support the CM backup script except it was designed for CM7 and CM9 uses a different type of backup.
The other issue with avast was there was no web interface. You could only send commands through SMS.
Since I got my Nexus I bought Cerberus anti theft its perfect. It has system app support. Instead of a user setup it apparently registers the device ID or SIM or something and loads the user account from the cloud server. So all I do is add the apk to the CM backup list and it auto configures when installed. I can use SMS control or the website. I can monitor and control pretty much the entire phone and it takes a front camera photo on invalid pass code.
I check weekly to ensure its still running and it hasn't failed once.
As a failsafe I also have the first screen splash modded to my contact info in case of loss. Its encrypted so if anything maybe only a boot loader update could remove it.
chismay said:
WAS YOU SIGNED INTO GOOGLE maps? latitude?
if so go to google.maps and click location history u can now see where your a500 is!!!!
good luck and hope you kick his ass:good:
i have "prey" software installed on all my devices for such problem
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I think that only works if you accept all the tracking disclaimers to enable location history and not many people have history turned on.
I guess the lesson is you can't let your guard down for even a second. One time I let a friend sync their iPod touch on my computer since they didn't have a PC and they ended up snatching my classic monochrome iPod. I'm still upset to this day since they didn't take my old iPod touch instead. That just proves the first gen iPod touch is so bad people won't even steal it.
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I think that only works if you accept all the tracking disclaimers to enable location history and not many people have history turned on.
I guess the lesson is you can't let your guard down for even a second. One time I let a friend sync their iPod touch on my computer since they didn't have a PC and they ended up snatching my classic monochrome iPod. I'm still upset to this day since they didn't take my old iPod touch instead. That just proves the first gen iPod touch is so bad people won't even steal it.
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oh yea def' just thought for pot-luck ,
it is a pitty when you let someone come into your house as a friendly gesture only to find them stealing from you,... ive had my fair share and also a fair share of miss-understandings thereafter because of a newly aquired paranoia..... but i think its 100% justified.
If you download the lookout app and install it, if you ever lose your tablet, on the lookout website you can see where it is, (if GPS was enabled when lost) you can also do a remote wipe, and a remote siren, make it put off an alarm remotely.
Its a good app to have just in case, but doesn't help if the app was not installed before being lost or stolen.
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lifeofcoding said:
If you download the lookout app and install it, if you ever lose your tablet, on the lookout website you can see where it is, (if GPS was enabled when lost) you can also do a remote wipe, and a remote siren, make it put off an alarm remotely.
Its a good app to have just in case, but doesn't help if the app was not installed before being lost or stolen.
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yeah sound like the prey app too , i can also send a popup message to the tab screen, be near the location displayed on the map and then activate a "S-SCARING" siren lol
also one good thing is prey uses the location services through wifi as well as gps, tells you the address of the current and last wifi hotspots logged into
so if it says currently "wii hotspot mcdonalds fast food , thief street. lol go to the mcdonalds and set off the alarms,...clearly see your tablet...and a jackass who need a beating. :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive:
chismay said:
WAS YOU SIGNED INTO GOOGLE maps? latitude?
if so go to google.maps and click location history u can now see where your a500 is!!!!
good luck and hope you kick his ass:good:
i have "prey" software installed on all my devices for such problem
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hey man, great idea! no luck...
and thanks guys for al of the advice! still no luck with the tab i think the worst part of it is was that i was really getting to love it. like the development here, especially with jb!, is fantastic. and i was a kickstarter supporter for chameleon and now seeing the new updates really puts salt on the wound. lol. in the next month i'll need another tablet, so im debating on finding another 2nd hand one for the price of a nexus 7, or just getting the 7. only thing is though, is the size....
thanks again.
I'm assuming you've looked into "Plan B" on the Android market, right? It automatically installs from the market on your tablet, and broadcasts location immediately on install. Not sure how accurate or helpful it is, but if you haven't tried it yet... you probably should.
The other option is to put out some Wanted To Buy ads...
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I'm assuming you've looked into "Plan B" on the Android market, right? It automatically installs from the market on your tablet, and broadcasts location immediately on install. Not sure how accurate or helpful it is, but if you haven't tried it yet... you probably should.
The other option is to put out some Wanted To Buy ads...
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i already changed the passwords, i wasn't aware of Plan B. great idea though! i tried it anyways lol.
and yeah ive been scouring kijiji and craigslist like a fiend
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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I know that feel bro
*insert hug meme*
irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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Siyah kernel does support temp unrooting, but somehow Sky Go still knows your phone is rooted, and it won't work. So far from the reading I have done there is no solution to this other than to flash back to a stock unrooted firmware.
I don't think it will become the rule on android, because there are to many apps that even need root, but at ios, probably because jailbreak is the only possibility to get, at least partially, out of their ecosystem.
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someone found a work around for the Barclays banking app I think...I'm sure it was here in general so you may find some hints there
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[HOW TO] Barclays Mobile Banking working on rooted S3
As far as I know. Sky Go has gotten around everything so far.
I see not to far in the future a situation where you have to either root and lose lots of apps you use or lose the root lose lots of apps you use.
That's a crap situation for sure
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Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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Lennyuk said:
Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
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This sux for sure.
On iPad they sandboxed the app in its own virtual environment. could this trick it into think its running on unrooted firmware?
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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You cant get the content without a subscription anyway, the problem has been people UDID spoofing and getting more active devices than they are allowed. Its a joke that they limit this anyway they should just make it so you can only be logged in on 2 devices at any one time using traditional methods like IP address and IMEI
alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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temporary unroot doesnt even work so i dont know how it works personally. Out of my depth on this
alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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the Apple skygo app works differently, it doesn't check for IMEI.
wifi-only android tablets do not have IMEI numbers so it will always fail this check
Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
Lennyuk said:
Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
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Surely you can modify it to spoof the signature the app uses to send to the server...
They really have gone all out eh.
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Well done sky, you bastards!
I have a Nexus 7 2012 WiFi only so ytheres no chance of using it on there :'(
Thanks LennyUK
I've always been a diehard google fanatic & evangelist, but some of the recent bad press has left me disillusioned with the company and eager to break off all possible ties. To that end, is there a custom ROM for the Nexus 7 that would allow me to uninstall all or most google products - and preferably block all traffic to google's servers?
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I've always been a diehard google fanatic & evangelist, but some of the recent bad press has left me disillusioned with the company and eager to break off all possible ties. To that end, is there a custom ROM for the Nexus 7 that would allow me to uninstall all or most google products - and preferably block all traffic to google's servers?
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sure. just build it from scratch, from aosp. dont add anything google, no google apps, no market, no sync, none of googles services.. kinda odd getting a nexus device and not wanting googles services. what bad press btw?
Tax
simms22 said:
sure. just build it from scratch, from aosp. dont add anything google, no google apps, no market, no sync, none of googles services.. kinda odd getting a nexus device and not wanting googles services. what bad press btw?
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I'm English and its tax arrangements (which were revealed after I bought the Nexus 7) disgust me.
Building from AOSP is too complex for a non-developer like me. Is there not a ROM that makes it possible to pare back google services to a minimum? If not, which ROM carries the fewest google services?
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It's more straightforward to flash any ROM that suggests a Google Apps package, but without flashing it. I think rebuilding it from source sounds a little extreme. (Considering the long download times.)
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I'm confused. How would I flash a ROM without flashing it?
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I'm English and its tax arrangements (which were revealed after I bought the Nexus 7) disgust me.
Building from AOSP is too complex for a non-developer like me. Is there not a ROM that makes it possible to pare back google services to a minimum? If not, which ROM carries the fewest google services?
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Get over yourself and get a grip on reality.
EVERY company, big and small, uses tax loopholes. I can't believe you're taking a moral stand and denying yourself full functionality of a device you have already paid for, you are the only loser in this scenario, Google don't lose anything.
If you don't want Google services then don't log in with your Google account, or any email account.
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Get over yourself and get a grip on reality.
EVERY company, big and small, uses tax loopholes. I can't believe you're taking a moral stand and denying yourself full functionality of a device you have already paid for, you are the only loser in this scenario, Google don't lose anything.
If you don't want Google services then don't log in with your Google account, or any email account.
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Are you mad? I briefly answered a simple question. Is there any particular reason for your itch to harangue me about a consumer decision? I'm well aware of how corporations operate. Are you ignorant of how consumption and markets work?
lol @ this thread.
jayochs said:
lol @ this thread.
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I should have known better than to give any background info. My question should have been:
"Is there any ROM with no or minimal google services?"
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It's more straightforward to flash any ROM that suggests a Google Apps package, but without flashing it. I think rebuilding it from source sounds a little extreme. (Considering the long download times.)
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I'm English and its tax arrangements (which were revealed after I bought the Nexus 7) disgust me.
Building from AOSP is too complex for a non-developer like me. Is there not a ROM that makes it possible to pare back google services to a minimum? If not, which ROM carries the fewest google services?
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what Brian is saying is that many roms have a separate flashable package of google apps. you can flash one of these roms(like rasbean jelly, or cm) and not flash the separate gapps(google apps package). then you can go into your file system, /system/app/, and remove more google services(some might be needed, so it would be a trial and error of what you can remove). the end results might be rather unusable as a mobile device.
but nodstuff was right, you would be the only loser in this scenario. if you dont want anything to do with google, you should sell your device and buy something else. you would be better off. after all, arent you the most important in this scenario?
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what Brian is saying is that many roms have a separate flashable package of google apps. you can flash one of these roms(like rasbean jelly, or cm) and not flash the separate gapps(google apps package). then you can go into your file system, /system/app/, and remove more google services(some might be needed, so it would be a trial and error of what you can remove). the end results might be rather unusable as a mobile device.
but nodstuff was right, you would be the only loser in this scenario. if you dont want anything to do with google, you should sell your device and buy something else. you would be better off. after all, arent you the most important in this scenario?
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I see it differently, while wanting to hang onto a device whose format and build I'm fond of. But as I've suggested, I've not come here to debate the issue - just to seek out a ROM that suits my needs.
Thanks for your clarification over the flashing process. I'll see how far I can get.
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I see it differently, while wanting to hang onto a device whose format and build I'm fond of. But as I've suggested, I've not come here to debate the issue - just to seek out a ROM that suits my needs.
Thanks for your clarification over the flashing process. I'll see how far I can get.
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no problem with that, its your device
anyways, if you do delete something that youre not supposed to out of /sytem/app/ and your device wont work, you can always reflash the rom to get it up again. or you can make a backup in your recovery, then restore it if things go wrong.
Righteous. Right.
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Don't feed the trolls!
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AZKJS said:
Don't feed the trolls!
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Amen brother.....
.....I'm hungry.
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Wouldn't webOS do that when/if it's finally released?
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You could try the buggy Ubuntu that would be Google free but I just don't understand what Google could have done, to make you hinder your own device by choice
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rcarnes911 said:
You could try the buggy Ubuntu that would be Google free but I just don't understand what Google could have done, to make you hinder your own device by choice
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Exactly.
Bit if you dont want any google services just flash a custom rom (like cyanogenmod por something) and dont flash the gapps. Than you dont login with your google account and maybe delete or freeze the google services with titanium backup. This seems me the easiest way to do it.
JanJansen024 said:
Exactly.
Bit if you dont want any google services just flash a custom rom (like cyanogenmod por something) and dont flash the gapps. Than you dont login with your google account and maybe delete or freeze the google services with titanium backup. This seems me the easiest way to do it.
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Without playstore.....installing titanium backup or anything will be painful! Lol
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Return it and buy an ipad. Hopefully Apple is not as gross as Goggle on the tax issues you have recently learned about.
ProblemChyld said:
Return it and buy an ipad. Hopefully Apple is not as gross as Goggle on the tax issues you have recently learned about.
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Lol every company hides money off shore Google just had some one write an article about it
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I generally hate these types of threads, but I'm looking for a specific bit of information and a ROM recommendation.
Which ROMs offer the most compete and fullest experience without GApps? I'm seriously considering doing an install with no GApps, and seeing if I can get by with just microG. I'd like the ROM I go with then to come with a nice, full-featured and up-to-date suite of open source apps built in, without feeling like I'm using a bunch of old apps from AOSP that haven't been updated since Holo.
I'm guessing LineageOS and OmniROM are the top choices, but do most microG users prefer one over the other?
wrkerr said:
I generally hate these types of threads, but I'm looking for a specific bit of information and a ROM recommendation.
Which ROMs offer the most compete and fullest experience without GApps? I'm seriously considering doing an install with no GApps, and seeing if I can get by with just microG. I'd like the ROM I go with then to come with a nice, full-featured and up-to-date suite of open source apps built in, without feeling like I'm using a bunch of old apps from AOSP that haven't been updated since Holo.
I'm guessing LineageOS and OmniROM are the top choices, but do most microG users prefer one over the other?
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I'd use Chads uber. That rom is more powerful than any other rom and comes with gapps and not many apps. Also you can just use titanium backup to freeze apps
wrkerr said:
I generally hate these types of threads, but I'm looking for a specific bit of information and a ROM recommendation.
Which ROMs offer the most compete and fullest experience without GApps? I'm seriously considering doing an install with no GApps, and seeing if I can get by with just microG. I'd like the ROM I go with then to come with a nice, full-featured and up-to-date suite of open source apps built in, without feeling like I'm using a bunch of old apps from AOSP that haven't been updated since Holo.
I'm guessing LineageOS and OmniROM are the top choices, but do most microG users prefer one over the other?
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Depends what you need from the google apps. Some work with microg some not.
I only keep google apps because of Google Photos which doesn't fully work under microg.
I've found open source alternatives for all other apps that I use, sometimes working even better.
Yeah would be nice 2 go googleless.
rchtk said:
Depends what you need from the google apps. Some work with microg some not.
I only keep google apps because of Google Photos which doesn't fully work under microg.
I've found open source alternatives for all other apps that I use, sometimes working even better.
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Can you please share these alternatives? I'm quite satisfied by now, but it's always nice to have options
Interesting. This is the first I've heard of MicroG. I've been reducing my Google footproot for about 6 months now. I have been running with all of my google activity paused for several months. It's actually a pain in the a$$, when I need to use maps, and no data from my locations or area is there, but that's also a good thing, and why I do it. Maps is probably the biggest hassle. If I were smarter, I'd just get another navigation app that I trust more than the Mothership, ha ha.
So, their site says that their version of the playstore doesn't work? So you can't download aps from it? Why do they offer it, is it needed for certain apps maybe? I could live with apk mirror if I needed to. It would just be much more inconvenient.
What's the reason for you guys to reduce the google stuff then?
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What's the reason for you guys to reduce the google stuff then?
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There are probably a handful of reasons, but I'll give you my top 2.
First, I am generally trying to avoid closed source software, where the software's inner workings are hidden from the users. If it's going to run on my hardware, and I'm going to trust it with my personal information, I'd prefer that the developer(s) to be transparent enough to let us know what their software is doing on my systems, and with my information. Most all of Google's core apps are now closed source.
Second, I don't like Google's logging policy. They retain as much data as they can, and I think that should give any thoughtful user reason for concern. Google may or may not be doing malicious things with the data they are retaining now, but even if I'm trusting them with my traffic today, knowingly participating while they log activity requires that I also trust that Google will continue to be benevolent with that data in 10, 20, and 30 years into the future, since that data is likely not being lost (particularly as data storage continues to get cheaper and cheaper). Not only that, using their services also requires placing confidence in them that their databases will not be breached at any point in the future, with leaked data falling into malicious hands. To me, it seems to be a virtual certainty that the data integrity will be breached at some point, it's just a matter of time.
Therefore, it seems like an unnecessary risk to take when and where there are good alternatives to Google products and services. Some risks are worth it. Others are not. Let each man judge for himself.
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Interesting. This is the first I've heard of MicroG. I've been reducing my Google footproot for about 6 months now. I have been running with all of my google activity paused for several months. It's actually a pain in the a$$, when I need to use maps, and no data from my locations or area is there, but that's also a good thing, and why I do it. Maps is probably the biggest hassle. If I were smarter, I'd just get another navigation app that I trust more than the Mothership, ha ha.
So, their site says that their version of the playstore doesn't work? So you can't download aps from it? Why do they offer it, is it needed for certain apps maybe? I could live with apk mirror if I needed to. It would just be much more inconvenient.
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OsmAnd is the open source navigation app many people use.
Similarly, F-Droid is an open source app store.
wrkerr said:
There are probably a handful of reasons, but I'll give you my top 2.
First, I am generally trying to avoid closed source software, where the software's inner workings are hidden from the users. If it's going to run on my hardware, and I'm going to trust it with my personal information, I'd prefer that the developer(s) to be transparent enough to let us know what their software is doing on my systems, and with my information. Most all of Google's core apps are now closed source.
Second, I don't like Google's logging policy. They retain as much data as they can, and I think that should give any thoughtful user reason for concern. Google may or may not be doing malicious things with the data they are retaining now, but even if I'm trusting them with my traffic today, knowingly participating while they log activity requires that I also trust that Google will continue to be benevolent with that data in 10, 20, and 30 years into the future, since that data is likely not being lost (particularly as data storage continues to get cheaper and cheaper). Not only that, using their services also requires placing confidence in them that their databases will not be breached at any point in the future, with leaked data falling into malicious hands. To me, it seems to be a virtual certainty that the data integrity will be breached at some point, it's just a matter of time.
Therefore, it seems like an unnecessary risk to take when and where there are good alternatives to Google products and services. Some risks are worth it. Others are not. Let each man judge for himself.
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Thanks for stating your point. I can get in to that.
Always nice to hear peoples reasons for doing things the way they do. Interresting.
I'll study this some more.
I tried to de-google the other night, but couldn't get everything implemented properly. I could use titanium backup pro, but I couldn't get Ex Kernel Manager to work (it needed to check it's license), and other apps like Google play music etc.
I think I need signature spoofing. Is that only availab if it's built into the ROM, or can I add that functionality on my own?
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OsmAnd is the open source navigation app many people use.
Similarly, F-Droid is an open source app store.
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What device do you have? I can't get OmsAnd to work on my 6P. It can't locate me it says, but it has proper permission.
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HikingMoose said:
What device do you have? I can't get OmsAnd to work on my 6P. It can't locate me it says, but it has proper permission.
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Are you using GApps or microG? If you're using microG, I believe you also should install their UnifiedNlp and a location provider plugin for it.
wrkerr said:
Are you using GApps or microG? If you're using microG, I believe you also should install their UnifiedNlp and a location provider plugin for it.
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Gapps for now. My ROM doesn't have signature spoofing, so I can't use microG ?
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HikingMoose said:
Gapps for now. My ROM doesn't have signature spoofing, so I can't use microG
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Hmm, idk then. On my 6P with GApps on OmniROM, OSMAnd just works out of the box. I installed it from F-Droid.
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Hmm, idk then. On my 6P with GApps on OmniROM, OSMAnd just works out of the box. I installed it from F-Droid.
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I could be doing something wrong. It's very, very feature rich, and I'm 100% new to it, so maybe there's a setting somewhere that needs to be turned on for it to be able to find me?
I don't have Google maps installed, just play services and whatnot. I installed from the play store.
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HikingMoose said:
Gapps for now. My ROM doesn't have signature spoofing, so I can't use microG
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To add signature spoofing you can use one of these three tools: Tingle, Needle or Haystack.