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Hey fellow 7.7 owners,
I just received my RMA authorization from Negri Electronics this afternoon after sending several emails back and forth with their support staff. Bad news I'm afraid...They have said that the turn around time AFTER they receive my tablet in their warehouse will be 3-4 weeks!! This all started shortly after I received my tablet in the mail from them on February 7th. I was happy and content with my purchase and only found one dead pixel at first glance in the upper middle portion of my screen that was visible with any white or lighter background and shows up as a black or red dead pixel at pretty much any screen. So after discovering this one obvious dead pixel I downloaded the Screen Test app from the Android market and discovered that in actuality I have 6 dead pixels all around the screen depending on the background color. The obvious one at the top (can see in almost any app such as the browser, email and so on), two on a blue screen, and finally three on a red screen. As you can imagine I was stunned to find so many pixels that are bad on such a new tablet and with such a gorgeous screen! I have taken pictures of all the bad pixels with my camera and sent those along to Negri with one of my support emails. In addition to these bad pixels I also have the issue with the dark circles that I can only assume come from the manufacturing process when the suction cups are holding the screen in place for assembly. There are also lighter grey streaks at the low brightness level with a black background that can be viewed during the night when there is no ambient light in the room, like when reading or viewing the screen during transition for animations. I believe others have also mentioned the flickering that can be seen with a darker blue background (possibly other dark colors) on the tablet, It reminds me of the older CRT monitors or old tube TV's when they are refreshing the image. I can see this "flickering or streaking" quite easily at night while viewing images in bed or watching a movie with a blue background.
So I guess after all my detailed nitpicking my question for you all would be what would you do in this situation? I really do love this tablet and the form factor. Besides these issues that I have experienced on my tablet I have absolutely enjoyed using the tablet every day Iv'e had it. I just feel like for $550+ investment I shouldn't have to deal with so many display issues when that is the very reason I spent so much more on this tablet in the first place. I also appreciate Negri reaching out and attempting to resolve the issue but with the correspondence I have had thus far and having attached the RMA info I received today below can't be sure what kind of service or replacement I may get and then I will be without my tablet for at least a month! I really wish I could deal directly with Samsung USA and get my unit replaced by them but completely understand why that is not possible at this time. I'm guessing they are giving a 3-4 week turn around back to them because the Samsung Repair Facility is most likely overseas, either in Hong Kong or possibly the UK? Not sure about that one. I wouldn't think that the 7.7 could be repaired or replaced by any Samsung facility here in the US yet. Anyway, any suggestions or ideas you guys my have would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Negri Electronics. We received your RMA request in regards to this unit. We will need to have the unit in the warehouse in order to complete the evaluation. We received your reports in regards to the dead pixels and in this case the unit will need to be sent into the Samsung repair facility. We will need to complete the brief evaluation once the unit arrives. Then we can proceed with the repair process. If you have any questions feel free to contact us. Thank you.
Negri Electronics Repairs
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*Update March 2nd*
^ Above was the original estimate assuming that I would be requesting a repair through Negri by Samsung for the defective screen. Since we found that I had more than 6 Dead Pixels we processed the return as an exchange for a new tablet and I have had my RMA approved today and the replacement is in transit. I wanted to be clear that Negri provided excellent customer service to me and processed my return very professionally.
I too sent my Gtab 7.7 back to Negri for issues with Grey discoloration. I called today making sure they received my unit, they confirmed they got it Thursday. I asked about the supposed 10-12 days for evaluation and the rep thought with my issue they should have an answer next week.
On my RMA i requested a Exchange not repair. If they tell me turn around to get my exchange is gonna take 3-4 weeks. I will ask for just a refund, as i would suggest to you. I also suggest you call and see instead of them repairing your unit, maybe ask for an exchange. I hope they don't try and tell me they want to send it off and not exchange...I have a feeling they might try this.
I'll respond back on Monday, see what they tell me.
That sounds like a very long turn around period, maybe you should get your money back and just wait for local stocks to arrive?
Also since you mentioned that you notice flicker, Im wondering whats causing this on OLEDs, one of the 7.7's I tried yesterday showed a very visible flicker when displaying the green screen test or the screen shot of the green screen test in the gallery.
Thanks for the responses...
Hey guys,
Thanks for your input. I have replied back to the RMA request with my intention to exchange preferably or refund if that is not possible. I really do not want to wait a month to have the unit repaired when I have so many issues with the screen and then not be sure what kind of condition the tablet would be in when I get the replacement. I wish I could just deal with the issues but there are so many it seems on my screen I can't look past them when I think how much I paid for the 7.7 in the first place. Guess we shall see what happens now.
Kyle
Update from Negri today is that they are working with me to get a replacement or refund instead of sending off to Samsung for repairs. They are certainly going out of their way to make sure the issue is solved. Props to the customer support department for excellent communication. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving any doubt in Negri's business practice as they have proved thus far too be very helpful in this unfortunate circumstance. I'm sending the tablet back to them Monday morning and will update with the status after I get the initial evaluation complete.
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This is the usual problem with purchasing goods that are not officially distributed in your country yet... I tried n the past and I won't again
I love the 7.7 but will wait for it to be distributed in the US (And hopefully ICS will be around the corner at that time)
Thank You
Thank you all for your comments.
The process does take time because we need to work with the manufacturer who manufactured the "defective" product. Their timeline is longer than ours, however we have direct contact with most. So returning to us and having us to the leg-work would be better than the customer going directly to the manufacture. Going directly with the manufacture can take 10-12 weeks as we have experienced in the past. We do our best to provide a quick turn around time for you - however we can only promise you what we are promised by the manufacturer.
Please understand that we do not manufacture these items. Many RMA's come through "demanding" replacements and fast service. We always do our best, but ask that you always treat us with respect (unrelated to the above posts) - and understand that issues such as these are not our fault, but we will do our best to make sure you are satisfied with the results.
Negri has good customer service. But regarding the dead pixel issue, i have better experience with Expansys where they simply ship out a replacement once the defective one is received and confirmed. Then they will deal with the manufacturing for the faulty unit. Not to say one vendor is better than another in general, but to point out different vendor has different policy and way of handling these kind of things.
kflanegan said:
Update from Negri today is that they are working with me to get a replacement or refund instead of sending off to Samsung for repairs. They are certainly going out of their way to make sure the issue is solved. Props to the customer support department for excellent communication. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving any doubt in Negri's business practice as they have proved thus far too be very helpful in this unfortunate circumstance. I'm sending the tablet back to them Monday morning and will update with the status after I get the initial evaluation complete.
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I too have spoken with Negri, they are currently evaluating my Tablet. I appreciate they actually jumped on this thread to respond. I guess there's no way around the 6-12 day evaluation period, as I've called after 5 days (still being evaluated). There customer service is easy to work with, I just want them to understand I aint waiting for a repair, I want a exchange or refund.
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I too have spoken with Negri, they are currently evaluating my Tablet. I appreciate they actually jumped on this thread to respond. I guess there's no way around the 6-12 day evaluation period, as I've called after 5 days (still being evaluated). There customer service is easy to work with, I just want them to understand I aint waiting for a repair, I want a exchange or refund.
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Thanks for the update Aaron! My tablet is in transit and scheduled for delivery on Monday. I'm hoping for a 1-2 week turn around. I'm having withdraws already... ;-) I too am hoping for a new exchange foremost and a refund otherwise so I can decide what to do next. Good luck with your return. Keep us updated...
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I got the results of my evaluation...
Hello,
Thank you for your patience in regards to your RMA. At this time the RMA evaluation has been completed on your unit. Our team has evaluated your unit extensively to see if they can find the display issue. After testing the unit our RMA team was unable to notice any grayish streaking on the display. They advised us that they tested the unit on "0" brightness and with the white background, both landscape and portrait mode and were not able to see any defect. They also advise us they had to create a customer background to ensure there was no defect. Again, no defect was noticed with the display. These are Super Amoled displays and will be noticeable to see any streaking on the display, as you stated on the lowest brightness levels. We did receive notification from our customer service representatives that you would like a refund on this unit, in this case we can proceed with a refund minus a 12% re-stoking fee based on the usage and time out. This will be the minimal re-stocking fee that can be applied towards this refund. We can also have this unit shipped back to you at no additional costs. Please review these details and contact us on how you would like to proceed. Thank you.
Well 12% is around $75.00 and since after shoping around i cant find anything to match this wonderful tablet, Im gonna keep it.
Looks like im gonna have to settle at never turning my brightness completely down.
good luck KFLAN!
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I got the results of my evaluation...
Well 12% is around $75.00 and since after shopping around I can't find anything to match this wonderful tablet, I'm gonna keep it.
Looks like I'm gonna have to settle at never turning my brightness completely down.
good luck KFLAN!
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Thanks Aaron for your evaluation results, also sorry to hear that you won't be receiving a replacement unit for your issues. My 7.7 arrived this morning at their warehouse so I hope to hear something later this week. I was seriously debating sending mine back before I started the process because I loved everything else with the tablet other than the dead pixels I saw whenever I used it. Some things you just can't un-see and that was my problem. I hope you do enjoy your tablet and agree with your decision to keep it. $75 is a big hit only a few weeks after purchase on a premium product such as the 7.7. I hope that my dead pixels are as obvious to Negri as they were to me in my tests and usage.
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@aaronv20
IIRC, you did post an image on the screen feedbacks thread right and it was quite visible unless I've mistaken you from someone else. I cant believe they cant see it.
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@aaronv20
IIRC, you did post an image on the screen feedbacks thread right and it was quite visible unless I've mistaken you from someone else. I cant believe they cant see it.
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yup, I did post a screen image, on the screen issues thread. There main issue was that since the tab would probably not fall under the Samsung warranty then they would be able to deem it a manufacture issue. Its sucks but at least i dont have any other issues (dead pixels, etc). They did mention that i have a 1 year warranty so if it becomes worst then I could handle the issue then...Im really trying to look on the bright side, and put it out of mind, cause all it will do is frustrate the crap out of me..
I dont understand why they cant see it, the very small grey streak on my Tablet was even visible to the technician who diagnosed my tab even though I didnt tell him about it.
Follow up on Negri RMA
I received word today that my RMA request for exchange has been approved and my replacement unit has been shipped out from Negri's warehouse this afternoon. My returned tablet arrived on Monday 2/27 and I followed up on Wed to make sure the tablet arrived as I had shipped and to receive an update on the RMA process. I worked with Sergio Mendez throughout the return, he was very helpful and excellent in communicating any updates from their end. I would certainly not hesitate to recommend Negri Electronics to anyone in the future and they have dealt with my problem with a sense of urgency and a very professional manner.
Many thanks to Sergio and the whole team at Customer Service for all their help! I am scheduled to receive my new unit next Thursday the 8th. I'll report back after I have set the new 7.7 up and report my findings on my replacement unit.
Sounds great that you've been given a replacement, we await for your findings and hopefully you can get a great screen. Keep us posted Im interested as well!
Sooo, I couldnt make it a week. I cant stand staring at this discolored screen. I have re submitted some more photos of my defective screen to Sergio at Negri. I hope he and his superiors can see this is not a "common" problem but a manufacture defect. If there RMA evaluators cant see this issue, there are some serious issues with their eyesight! Negri Customer service has been great , however i cant just except this as a non issue. Negri customer service, feel free to comment...or better yet email me asap. Yall agree? (white out personal info in photos, sorry)
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Sooo, I couldn't make it a week. I can't stand staring at this discolored screen. I have re submitted some more photos of my defective screen to Sergio at Negri. I hope he and his superiors can see this is not a "common" problem but a manufacture defect. If there RMA evaluators can't see this issue, there are some serious issues with their eyesight! Negri Customer service has been great , however I can't just except this as a non issue. Negri customer service, feel free to comment...or better yet email me asap. Y'all agree? (white out personal info in photos, sorry)
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Aaron,
I agree with you on the discoloration. I can certainly see it in your provided photos. Sergio worked very well with me on my exchange and when we spoke on the phone he seemed very helpful and like a nice guy. I hope your experience will serve a better outcome this go around and understand your frustration! I would also consider going the Samsung route if you run into the same issue going through with the second return. Who knows how their process runs but unfortunately I would guess the waiting period could be much longer seeing as how the 7.7 isn't sold except by Verizon in the US as of now, as far as they would be concerned....
Anyway, I've been anxiously awaiting my exchange by FedEx. It should arrive sometime tomorrow and then I'll be giving my new model the inspection to see if I faired better this time. The tracking info hadn't updated at all since the package left Phoenix, AZ on Friday and I was beginning to get worried it was lost in transit until magically it arrived in Ellenwood, GA just this morning. I guess it arrived there via bike messenger to account for the long delay in updates for so many days...haha. It always seems to drag the longest when you are really looking forward to receiving something though. ;-) Have a good day man, I'll cross my fingers for you.
Kyle
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*Update on my replacement wifi 7.7... I received the exchanged GT-P6810 yesterday afternoon and after a 2 hour initial charge was ready to dive right in. First thing I did after set up was download 3 solid backgrounds. One white, one red and lastly blue. Then I opened the backgrounds full screen in the gallery and found absolutely zero dead pixels or any obvious defects. The only thing I have noticed thus far is the circles and lines on a black screen at zero ambient light. Although I'm almost positive there aren't any units that wouldn't display those in the same lighting conditions. Seems to be a product of the manufacturing process. Anyway, I'm certainly satisfied so far and love my new unit. I want to give Negri another shout out for their awesome customer service and in particular Sergio for his excellent communication throughout the process. I was without my tab for 2 or 3 weeks but it's certainly worth the wait to get a new replacement with none of the major issues. I'll be active on the forums and see you guys and girls around.
Oh btw, set up go launcher HD last night from their beta page and this thing flies with that launcher and looks great!
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So I had permission from mod to start a group repair thread here to better gather all the N7100 SDS victim in the U.S. to get the phone repaired in the states. This supposedly saves u time and potentially some money (in case Samsung would not accept your phone or refuse to honor your warranty after you sent the phone to them)
So, everything started in this thread. Details have been discussed in that thread. So if you are interested, please read about the discussions in that thread. This thread here serves the purpose of a better way to find and inform U.S. owners who suffered SDS on their N7100, in order to get the group repair set up quicker.
I am going to summarize some important information from the other thread below.
The Repairer Found
MobileTechVideos.com
The page for Note II eMMC repair is located here
BIG THANKS TO xryousukex
Also, xryousukex pointed out that they are on facebook. So if you want, you can go check out people's comments on their pages. I am quite trusting with them as they have been pretty honest and helpful when i talked to them on the phone, e.g., talking about success rate, pricing, and repair time.
Benefits/Price
Basically, the discounted price breaks down as follows. Note that the "refund deduction" is the amount that the repairer will charge in case of a repair failure. The eMMC costs about $80, so if the seller fails to fully recover the phone, their policy is to refund the labor cost but retain their costs of ordering these eMMC chips. They told me that the success rate should be greater than or equal to 85%. It is just an estimate because they have not seen as many SDS cases on Note II as they've seen on the GS3.
Group of - Price - Refund Deduction (in case of unsuccessful repair)
1 person - $150 -$80
5 persons - $135 - $15
10 persons - $130 - $15
20 persons - $125 - $15
So, as you can see, the major benefit is not BIG discounts, but the less sunk costs in case the repair is not successful.
Group List
So far, we have FOUR people on the list. I guess one we hit 5-person mark, we can discuss about whether to wait for more people or just go ahead. Feel free to update yourself into the list and reply here.
Tentative members
1 - cswithxda
2 - nochancenine
3 - pitflyer
4 - hull22
5 -
Payment Method
The company will send us coupon codes that can be used x times, with x being how many people we have. Or, I was thinking about having the company issue x coupons, with each one sent individually to each one of us, so we won't worry about someone using coupon more than once (e.g., giving the code to a friend that you found to also have SDS on his/her phone)
The rest of the payment details is just normal check out through their website. We can proceed individually once we have the coupons.
Repair Time
I did not ask about this but the guy I talked to on the phone reminded me of the repair time. I was told that it should take around 8 business days to get the phone back, which is essentially 2 weeks considering the shipping/handling. They are located in Texas so you can figure out how long it usually takes for the shipping.
Disclaimer
Neither am I, nor XDA forum, affiliated with the company mentioned in this thread. I am not responsible for anything that might happen to your phone during this repair process, even though I am the initiator of this process. My intention is to gather enough people quickly and get our phones repaired in a fast and economical manner. I am not "pushing" anyone to do this. This is not an advertisement.
Most importantly, XDA is not part of this group repair initiation.
Comments
Sorry for the unprofessional wording in the disclaimer section. I have not done this (initiator) ever in my life. This is also the first phone that I ever need to pay to get it repaired. So my lack of experience should be expected :fingers-crossed: Please don't hesitate to correct any misinformation in the thread by letting me know. I provided the best information I have from the repairer. And if you want, definitely feel free to contact them and verify that I have the facts put down correctly. I will also inform the repairer of this thread so they might chime in and answer some questions maybe. They were a little hesitant about this because they do not want to be deemed to be advertising without permission.
Lastly, feel free to ask any question or concern you may have. I'll try my best to answer.
@Mods: Thanks for your understanding and allowing me to start this thread :good:
I'm somewhat on the fence (frustrated that a brand new phone that should have a Samsung warranty is not being covered since Samsung US basically says these are not their phones and treats Samsung UK/etc as a separate company). However, if we can get to 5 people (and I would vote not to wait for ten, since the additional discount/savings on EMMC refund is small) then I'll probably do it.
Ye, me too. I don't want to wait. And I'll see. If in 1-2 weeks we do not make it five, i'd have to bite the bullet and get it repaired on my own. I'm leaving U.S. mid May. Definitely need to sell it before I leave.
@cswithxda
Let me get this straight. You, the US citizens are not able to get your malfunctioning Note IIs repaired which you bought legally?
Samsung US does not service GT-N7100, in warranty or not.
So if you are in the US you have to either pay someone else to fix it or send it to the country it was made in (since GT-N7100 was not made/sold in US directly by Samsung).
Hence the problem.
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Samsung US does not service GT-N7100, in warranty or not.
So if you are in the US you have to either pay someone else to fix it or send it to the country it was made in (since GT-N7100 was not made/sold in US directly by Samsung).
Hence the problem.
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Ohh your Note IIs are from outside the US.
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Ohh your Note IIs are from outside the US.
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Yep, that's what this thread is for. Unfortunate U.S. N7100 owners.
Was told by mobile tech that 32/64gb chips can't be sourced. 16gb it is if my n7100 breaks down.
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Was told by mobile tech that 32/64gb chips can't be sourced. 16gb it is if my n7100 breaks down.
Sent from my GT-N7100
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Thanks for updating the info.
@all,
I am going to wait till Friday maybe before I have to send my phone to get it repaired. Need it back before mid-May...
cswithxda said:
Thanks for updating the info.
@all,
I am going to wait till Friday maybe before I have to send my phone to get it repaired. Need it back before mid-May...
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I am still interested in the group repair, but if there aren't enough people I understand that we may need to just take care of these on our own. I guess we are really quite in the minority with this issue.
It seems like you still have the initial three interested. I know they want 5, but maybe you can negotiate at least a smaller refund deduction, somewhere between 80 and 15 for three of us? Right now the price is $80 for attempting the repair and another $70 if they actually fix it. If we can make it more like $50 for attempting the repair and another $100 if they actually fix it .. at least won't feel so stupid to throw another $80 down the rabbit hole...
(I know the actual way it works is you pay $150 and get X amount back)
To the last poster, I'm willing to work out a smaller deductible in the event a device can't be repaired if your time frame won't permit for 5 persons. The idea behind the deductible is I literally spend about $85.00 per chip whether I am successful or not. eMMC densities are difficult to source and extremely expensive as they are CLASS 100 and higher in terms of transfer speed which is why the pricing structure is nowhere near what you would pay for the highest class SD-CARD available. If you have any questions you can contact us via phone. That number can be found on our FAQ page. Due to XDA restrictions I won't post that here but someone else can if they would like. I am not able to monitor my XDA Inbox as I once had more time for so it's best to contact us via phone or email for fastest repsonse.
Thanks guys and good luck,
-Josh
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To the last poster, I'm willing to work out a smaller deductible in the event a device can't be repaired if your time frame won't permit for 5 persons. The idea behind the deductible is I literally spend about $85.00 per chip whether I am successful or not. eMMC densities are difficult to source and extremely expensive as they are CLASS 100 and higher in terms of transfer speed which is why the pricing structure is nowhere near what you would pay for the highest class SD-CARD available. If you have any questions you can contact us via phone. That number can be found on our FAQ page. Due to XDA restrictions I won't post that here but someone else can if they would like. I am not able to monitor my XDA Inbox as I once had more time for so it's best to contact us via phone or email for fastest repsonse.
Thanks guys and good luck,
-Josh
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whereabouts in texas is mobiletechvideo located? houston, dallas, san antonio area or other?
connexion2005 said:
To the last poster, I'm willing to work out a smaller deductible in the event a device can't be repaired if your time frame won't permit for 5 persons. The idea behind the deductible is I literally spend about $85.00 per chip whether I am successful or not. eMMC densities are difficult to source and extremely expensive as they are CLASS 100 and higher in terms of transfer speed which is why the pricing structure is nowhere near what you would pay for the highest class SD-CARD available. If you have any questions you can contact us via phone. That number can be found on our FAQ page. Due to XDA restrictions I won't post that here but someone else can if they would like. I am not able to monitor my XDA Inbox as I once had more time for so it's best to contact us via phone or email for fastest repsonse.
Thanks guys and good luck,
-Josh
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@connexion2005 That's very nice Josh. I think it was you that I talked to on the phone maybe? I'm not English speaker so I am very bad with English names
Anyway, @nochancenine @pitflyer what do you guys think? If any of you wanna call Josh and talk about lower deductibles for only three of us in the group? I know it'd be nice to have like 50+ people doing a gigantic group repair and get some crazy discount with maybe no deductible at all lol, but it looks like we may be waiting for weeks or even months ahead just to make it to 5 people. So, I am very positive in proceeding with only 3 of us and this thread will then become the reference for other people in the future that might need this service. What do you think? I have an exam tomorrow and a project due, so I don't have much time tomorrow to call them up. If any of you could call and talk about the details, I think we might be able to actually get the process started.
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Thanks Josh for posting that you're willing to work with us. I'm not in as much of a time crunch as the OP so I'd like to see if we can get the '5' to get to the negotiated level of discount / non fixable deduction. I will try to call and see what I can work out with only 3 people but not sure when I'll get to it either.
Of course, two lurkers could make this much easier for us if they just sign up for the group repair... I posted this thread on FatWallet where I know there was at least one other poster that had the same issue, so maybe s/he or someone else will make this decision easy.
@pitflyer,
How did it turn out? Any interests?
I'll probably call Josh later today and ask for what refund deductible we have to pay with only three people, and report back. If you are not satisfied with it I might have to jump. I have to clean 2 weeks ahead of time when I will leave the country
I'd like to take part in a group repair for my dead N7100. One question though, how secure are the passwords, etcs on the phone?
OK, then we have four people on the list now.
1 - @cswithxda
2 - @nochancenine
3 - @pitflyer
4 - @hull22
5 -
I just called Josh and was told that with 4 people we get $140 for the repair, and the deductible is the same as if we had 5 people, i.e., $15 each. He also said that he had not failed on one of these phones yet as he had more units repaired in the past couple weeks.
So what do you think? I have to send it out on Monday at least, so I want to see if you guys are willing to do 4 people on Monday.
Thanks
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I'd like to take part in a group repair for my dead N7100. One question though, how secure are the passwords, etcs on the phone?
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@hull22
I am not sure what you meant by passwords? If they change the eMMC, isn't everything gonna be lost anyway?
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@hull22
I am not sure what you meant by passwords? If they change the eMMC, isn't everything gonna be lost anyway?
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as long as my personal information isn't compromised, i'm in
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OK, then we have four people on the list now.
1 - @cswithxda
2 - @nochancenine
3 - @pitflyer
4 - @hull22
5 -
I just called Josh and was told that with 4 people we get $140 for the repair, and the deductible is the same as if we had 5 people, i.e., $15 each. He also said that he had not failed on one of these phones yet as he had more units repaired in the past couple weeks.
So what do you think? I have to send it out on Monday at least, so I want to see if you guys are willing to do 4 people on Monday.
Thanks
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i'm in, just need to know where and how to send it, etc. I'll have to go reread the thread..
I would like to say first that I absolutely LOVE my Nexus 7 tablet. Having owned a couple of different Android tablets made by those other people (Samsung...even an iPad Mini), I can honestly say the N7 really is the best. With that being said, I would like to share my experience with them today, and I hope it helps others in being more informed about their decision to purchase in the future. Its kind of a long read, but you will be shocked at the end, so please see it through.
A week or so ago my tablet developed an issue where after waking it from standby I would have to toggle Airplane Mode on and off in order to access the internet. I was off work today so I called Google warranty about the issue. The gentleman I spoke with was very kind and, I believe, as helpful in the situation as he could be. After explaining the issue and running through some standard trouble shooting, the first technician I spoke with from Google concluded it was most likely a hardware issue and that someone from a different department (mind you, I was speaking to the warranty department already) would contact me via email in 24-48 hours.
After I hung up from him, I thought about it and something wasn't quite right. The warranty department should be able to generate a replacement or at the minimum an RMA right then, right? So I called back and asked to speak with a manager. I was transferred to a floor supervisor, explained everything that had transpired up until then, to which he promised to get to the bottom of the issue right then. He asked for my email address, which I provided, when he stated he could not find an order for a Nexus tablet. I proceeded to explain to him I purchased it from GameStop, I had the receipt with the box and date of purchase, when he abruptly cut me off to tell me he could not do anything about my warranty issue because it was bought from a third party. He explained I would have to go through the retailer or through Asus. Now, here is where my trouble with this begins. Is this not manufactured for, branded, and advertised as a GOOGLE Nexus 7 tablet...or is it brand, advertised, and sold as an Asus Nexus 7 tablet. Yes, I understand who actually manufactured it. But that is transparent. There are A LOT of products made by other manufacturers that are sold under a different brand name. In fact, there are actually quite few true "manufactures" in the world but they make and sell products daily under a different name. However, this floor supervisor was unwilling to provide me with any assistance at all. He did offer to connect me to Asus customer support.
Another hold later, and 20 something minutes into the call, I was connected to another very nice customer service rep from Asus. I again (third time) explained the issue and the steps already performed to remedy the situation. After speaking with him for a while, he agreed to issue an RMA so that one of there technicians could diagnose the problem and do a repair or replace. I asked at his point how long this process takes...TWO WEEKS. Mind you, I have only owned the tablet a total of exactly 7 weeks and 2 days. I told him that this was completely unacceptable. He then offered to upgrade my case to priority service. Again I asked for a time frame and was told this time...1-1/2 WEEKS, or 3 days faster. At this point I am furious. I asked if I could have a replacement sent out...NO. I asked if I could have one sent out with a hold on my credit card until my defective unit was received...NO. I asked if I could have a refund arranged...NO. I asked if he would be kind enough to contact GameStop to request an exchange be made...NO. MY ONLY OPTION ON A 7 WEEK OLD TABLET...A GOOGLE TABLET MIND YOU...WAS TO BE WITHOUT FOR 2 WEEKS! You have go to be kidding me! I sincerely thought Google was better than this.
I used the following analogy...you buy a brand new car. It has a warranty issue that needs fixed so you take it to the dealership at which point they say, "sorry but we cant fix it for 2 weeks" and leave you with no car. I honestly can not believe the customer service between these two companies is this poor. As well, I have had cell phones replaced by AT&T under warranty that CERTAINLY were not made by AT&T, yet Google does not share the same mindset although the tablet was clearly a Google product.
So, I write this as a warning for any of you that have purchased your tablet from GameStop, Best Buy, Staples, ect. what challenges you face should you ever need warranty service. And to those who did purchase off the Play Store exactly how Google is treating their customers. I love Google (a lot less now) but I will NEVER buy another Nexus/Google branded product again...not so much as rent a movie or buy a song from the play store. And I will take to any forum I can access to share my experience in an attempt to convince Google/Asus to improve their customer service. They have lost a customer and I implore you to share my experience with as many people as you can that may be considering a Google product or service in the future.
Here's another analogy: You buy an Apple phone from Best Buy and it develops a fault, where do you take it back to?
Buy a Google product direct from Google next time and learn about Consumer rights.
Apple is the exception in that example. Buy a Samsung, Motorola, LG, Blackberry, ect. and who handles warranty replacement? AT&T, right? ALTHOUGH it is clearly stated the MANUFACTURER warrants the product against defect. And yes...I am very aware we are not talking about AT&T, simply using it as an example.
Furthermore, I never once stated my consumer rights were violated, in fact I clearly said they offered a solution. However, from a consumer stand point, and in this case especially with the INTENDED transparency between Google and Asus, the issue was not handled with the consumer (me) in their best interest.
Feel free to flame me if you'd like, but I would put nickles to dimes that if it was you, you would feel the same way.
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You are completely right tho. The should have a shop on hand for when you call. Just for you. Only you. You. Did I mention you?
Yeah i'm talking to you.
sigaiser said:
Apple is the exception in that example. Buy a Samsung, Motorola, LG, Blackberry, ect. and who handles warranty replacement? AT&T, right? ALTHOUGH it is clearly stated the MANUFACTURER warrants the product against defect. And yes...I am very aware we are not talking about AT&T, simply using it as an example.
Furthermore, I never once stated my consumer rights were violated, in fact I clearly said they offered a solution. However, from a consumer stand point, and in this case especially with the INTENDED transparency between Google and Asus, the issue was not handled with the consumer (me) in their best interest.
Feel free to flame me if you'd like, but I would put nickles to dimes that if it was you, you would feel the same way.
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For more reports of mishandling and cruddy CS, go here:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[1-25-false]
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danvee said:
For more reports of mishandling and cruddy CS, go here:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[1-25-false]
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Thanks for the link...I posted there as well. It is cruddy. I would
D have expected more from Google in a situation like this.
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You are completely right tho. The should have a shop on hand for when you call. Just for you. Only you. You. Did I mention you?
Yeah i'm talking to you.
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I'm not going to reply, much, to your sarcasm other than to say that if you think I expect more from Google than anyone else, then you're sorely mistaken but entitled to your opinion. If you read any of the post, and you comprehend written text, you could easily deduce that I was stating their current policy (unwritten mind you) on buying from third party retailers.
With that being said, how about being constructive vs. Being a smart ass. Thanks for reading.
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Here's another analogy: You buy an Apple phone from Best Buy and it develops a fault, where do you take it back to?
Buy a Google product direct from Google next time and learn about Consumer rights.
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Buying direct from Google won't help. When I had to have my Nexus phone replaced, under warranty, I called Google since I bought it on the play store. They gave me a number to Samsung(It was a Galaxy Nexus) and Samsung did exactly the same thing. I had to go to Wal-mart and buy a cheap flip phone to use for 2 weeks while Samsung replaced my 2 month old phone which I had bought from the Google Play Store.
It is definitely nice to go to an apple store and have a replacement in 10 minutes if you have a bad phone... I had an issue with my galaxy s4 and at&t didnt have any in stock to replace it with.... Bad experience.
I actually feel nothing is wrong with the warranty service options the OP mentioned.
It would be above average for the industry.
If I bought a premium car like Lexus then I would expect a nice loaner if my car needs works.
But if I paid for a Toyota, then it's up to the dealer ... a shuttle ride is nice enough.
I even bought my 2012N7 over ebay, haha. Worst case, I just call Asus.
Unless Google promises something and doesn't deliver ... otherwise, it's up to them (that's why I normally
talk nicely to the customer-service people).
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I'm not going to reply, much, to your sarcasm other than to say that if you think I expect more from Google than anyone else, then you're sorely mistaken but entitled to your opinion. If you read any of the post, and you comprehend written text, you could easily deduce that I was stating their current policy (unwritten mind you) on buying from third party retailers.
With that being said, how about being constructive vs. Being a smart ass. Thanks for reading.
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But, I'm only good at smartass comments.
i had my nexus 4 RMA due to faulty screen and i had the most wonderful experience, the lady i spoke to gave me no trouble what so ever promptly sent me an email with the order replacement link, put the hold on my card and 2 days later brand new N4 at my door, i would actually prefer to order directly from them after that experience
Also had a good experience with the nexus 4, screen was super dim, Google sent me a new one and have me a shipping label to send my old one in the same box
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One of the reasons why I always buy from companies with excellent customer service.
Few examples..
Bought a Galaxy Nexus from Amazon and after 6months+ it developed a fault.. cant remember what it was. So me being me... its been 6months+ I contact Samsung because its been so long. They told me they can get it fixed within a week. I get it back and its worse then when i sent it. I tried again.. sent it, came back and still as bad. I contact samsung again and explain to them. They said they will contact me within a few days.
While waiting i thought what the heck... Contacted Amazon and explained Samsung has wasted my time and if possible would like a refund. They said ok right away and got my money back! Samsung contact me and I vented out to the manager/supervisor on the line and all he could say was thats great that you got a refund....
Bought a Nexus 4 direct from Google.. Again after 6months+ it starts over heating. Contact google and they said we can replace it for you no problem. They sent out a new one while i still had the faulty one.
I would pay more for a product just to have great customer service then to get it a little cheaper and have next to no customer service.
So uh, you're mad because you have to ship your tablet back to the manufacturer to replace it?
Yeah man, that's total BS! Having to send it back to the manufacturers so they can fix it, it isn't like you do that with any other product you own right?
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@ sigaiser
I understand your frustration. I have an old Nexus 7, which I bought in the UK from PC World. It developed a fault where it would not charge. PC World referred me to ASUS, who ran through various ideas to fix it (most of which I had tried after internet forum searches), gave me a code and an RMA, and told me 7 to 10 days. It was picked up by the courier for next day delivery to Triage Services, who do ASUS repairs in the UK. After 4 weeks, it came back and still had exactly the same fault. (Later, I found that Triage had replaced the motherboard.) SO after another couple of days of trying to sort it out again, I rang again and got another RMA and an email telling me to book it in. I was also told that I should have been told "up to 30 days" not 7 to 10. The courier web site this time told me I'd have to pay for the return (different courier first time) though subsequently ASUS complaints told me that that was a courier error. Away it went again, and came back with the battery re-seated. It did not charge up, so off it went again. After another couple of weeks, making a total of 8 1/2 weeks, it came back with a new wall charger - supposedly that was no longer charging (even though when it left, it happily charged my Nexus 4). I HAD told them it was not that, as 3 different chargers would not charge The Nexus 7. It lasted that day, then refused to charge fully overnight, and charging to a lower % each night. All ASUS would offer was another RMA. :crying:
In the end, I threw myself on the mercy of the team at PC World, and asked if there was anything they could do - perhaps a discount on a different tablet. They had a chat, and gave me a new Nexus 7, this time with their "Whatever Happens" replacement insurance. Result. In future I think I will be getting my stuff from them with that guarantee.:laugh:
The current Nexus 7 charges up MUCH faster than the first one ever did, so either something had been changed, or the first was always faulty.
ASUS had been helpful, but they required THREE parts of the tablet replaced before they'd replace the whole thing. I had only had one so even though I'd lost it for more than 2 months out of the 12 month guarantee they would not consider either a replacement, or even extending the warranty for the 2 months I had been without.
Triage services, on the other hand, who supposedly did the repairs, I have no time for. First time round, they booked the tablet in to their workshop 5 days after they got it (thus showing ASUS that they were working on it faster than the truth). Then clearly they never actually tried it any of the three times before returning it.
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So uh, you're mad because you have to ship your tablet back to the manufacturer to replace it?
Yeah man, that's total BS! Having to send it back to the manufacturers so they can fix it, it isn't like you do that with any other product you own right?
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No, I'm not mad I have to send it back to the manufacturer. I'm mad because that is the ONLY option to send it back. Google told me on the phone if I bought it direct from them, they would send out a replacement right then and there. So what's the difference? GameStop is an authorized retailer. It's not like it was a black market knock off from Amazon. And as far as Asus goes (who is the manufacturer yet not a reseller), they offer no way to have a replacement sent, even with a credit card hold. So the ONLY option is to go without and wait 2 weeks, or whatever the turnaround time ends up being, without the product you paid for. That's what makes me mad.
And maybe I'm missing something, but what I can't get over is the fact that it's made for Google and sold by Google, yet Google is not supporting products sold by third party retailers although it carries their name.
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I really don't see a 1-1.5 week wait as being that big of a deal, sure it would be nice to get it replaced with a new one but they do not have to offer that to you. The warranty doesn't say that they offer replacements at the first sign of an issue. Since you bought it from a 3rd party retailer I wouldn't expect Google to take care of it since it is an ASUS tablet. If you'd purchased it from the Play Store and they wouldn't help then that would be a problem.
They just couldn't move as fast as you *commanded* them too? F off.
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They just couldn't move as fast as you *commanded* them too? F off.
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Lol, whatever. Easy to hide behind a screen name. You wouldn't say it to my face so why say it online?
Either way, moderators, just close this thread. Obviously no one has the intelligence to understand the point I was attempting to make so it does no one any good for it to remain open as its only going to turn ugly.
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If you want to hear a worst case scenario with verizon employees and new hardware defects, here you go. Kudos if you read the whole thing, I don't expect most people to...unless you're one of those people with a faulty battery/camera flash/screen/speaker. Then, enjoy and beware.
What follows is a true story.
Thursday 10/30/2014 12pm – Purchase Droid Turbo #1
– Went to Verizon Store and worked with sales associate John to purchase my new droid turbo. I traded in my OG droid razr maxx for $100 rebate, and then John tried to “sell” me a wireless charger for the device by saying he could waive my upgrade fee to apply towards the product. Having already read about the promotion for waived upgrade fees, and knowing it is not only applicable towards products in store (as John was insinuating) I declined, feeling decidedly like John was trying to take advantage of me and the lack of knowledge I may have about current Verizon promotions.
Friday 10/31/2014 –Full Day with Droid Turbo #1
Used Turbo Unit 1 for 24 hrs, after charging to full. My battery drained unusually fast, so that I was getting less than 20 hours on the battery. I took screenshots of my battery reports during two full discharges to demonstrate to reps that the battery was in fact underperforming, knowing that evidence would be useful because it is hard to just look at a phone and tell it has a battery issues.
Saturday 11/1/2014 – Return Turbo #1 for Turbo #2
11am- Returned to Verizon store. I worked with sales associate “Ross” and brought my concerns to his attention. He also frequently made furtive trips to have whispered discussions with Andre, who I assume is his manager, throughout our conversation about my wanting a replacement unit. They did a “test” on my phone in which they just opened up a call and let it sit for 15 minutes, then said “oh it looks like it drained normally.” As if they know, on a phone that is literally 2 days old. I could tell they were bullsh*tting me, they had no interest in looking at the battery data I had saved on the phone demonstrating the VERY fast discharge, and when I expressed my displeasure, Ross again went and had another whispered conversation with Andre, and he came back and said “we want to help you out….” He proceeded to tell me that they would replace the unit for me. He then went into the back and came out with a box in one hand and another Droid Turbo unit in his other hand—I never saw him take it out of the box. He switched my sim card into the unit he brought from the back, and said I had to keep my current box/etc and did not give me the matching box with the unit. Here is the first time I have a unit that doesn’t match my box/IMEI number information. This is despite me requesting the box to keep the serial numbers consistent.
Saturday 11/1/2014 – Later that Day with Turbo #2
When I get Droid Turbo #2 home and start using it that evening in low light conditions, I see that there is a noticeable change in color from the top left to the bottom right of the screen. It was evident in multiple apps, and although subtle, is very apparent when you utilize a graphic designed to test color and brightness consistency on a display. (I used Display Test app, “viewing angle graphic” which demonstrated clearly the screen was not uniform.) I make plans to go in on Sunday and have it exchanged for a unit with consistent color reproduction.
Sunday 11/2/2014 – 11am. – Returning Turbo #2 for Turbo #3
I return to Verizon for the 3rd time in 4 days. At this point, I am feeling decidedly emotionally raw from my previous experiences in which I felt that employees had ZERO interest in what I had to say or show them. I explain that I’m here to have my device replaced because the screen color is not uniform. They immediately get General manager Steven S. to deal with me, and after taking a cursory glance at my unit underneath glaring overhead can lights at the front desk (where you can hardly see the screen anyways) tells me “He doesn’t see a problem.” I am detecting barely contained hostility at this point—I feel that the employees have labeled me as a “problem” to be dealt with. Another employee, Matthew, hovers nearby the entire time I’m dealing with Steven, making me feel even more ganged up on and adding non-helpful comments from time to time. At this point they have made no effort to get any information from me. I needed to tell them that the flaw is visible in dim light, when the screen brightness is turned down lower, and how you can see it in certain apps, etc, but they took a defensive posture from the beginning as though they had already decided I was wrong.
After nearly 90 minutes standing at the counter arguing in front of MANY CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE, that there was a flaw that CAN BE PERCEIVED, I plead for them to just LOOK more closely at what I’m trying to show them. I am at my wit’s end at this point, ready to cancel my contract.
Steven S. finally goes to get a magnifying instrument resembling a jeweler’s loupe, and looks at the test graphic that clearly shows the non-uniform screen through it. HE AGREES THAT HE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A NON-UNIFORMITY IN THE COLOR REPRODUCTION ON THE SCREEN!!! This is an important point, because later on I am told that “there was no defect found on the units I returned” by Solutions manager Jeff.
Steve S. agrees to replace the unit as defective and tells me Matthew will get my replacement. Matthew then goes into the back and does not emerge for nearly ten minutes. Just to get my unit from the shelf? When he comes out of the back, again, he is holding another turbo unit in one hand, and the box it may or may not have come out of in the other. Like Ross did for my last replacement, Matthew swaps my sim card into the other unit, but does not give me the new box despite my asking to exchange, again, to keep serial numbers consistent.
At this point they could have given me back the unit I had returned the day before and I would not be any wiser. I’m feeling more and more uncomfortable about the lack of transparency in this process, and the way employees at this store are handling my complaints and concerns in general.
I leave the store, vowing never to return and completely emotionally traumatized and exhausted from the process.
When I get home that evening…
…and start to use my Droid Turbo #3….the flash starts to malfunction. At first it just misses timing on a photo every third or so, making photos oddly red and dark. Then, it’s giving an odd “half flash” instead of a fully bright flash occasionally. Solutions Manager Jeff G, sent me text message following up on my customer experience. I responded:
(Mon, 11:31 AM) “the camera flash has been wonky on two occasions, like it isn’t timed right with the shutter..I’ll wait and see how it works out.” He does not respond.
Sunday 11/3 and Monday 11/4 – Turbo #3 Flash Not working at all, periodically.
As I’m testing the camera over Sunday night and Monday morning, the flash stops working completely on three different occasions. Even when set to “always on” the flash has just stopped turning on. It gives a weak “half flash” the first time you try after it’s been sitting a while, then just never turns on again. This happens on and off as I test the camera in various lighting situations. Clearly a malfunction, by any definition.
Again, I text Solutions manager Jeff G:
(Mon 6:49pm) “Hahah crud. My flash no longer works at all. Apparently it wasn’t going to be ok.”
Jeff G responds:
(Mon 7:06pm) “At this point, any manufacture defects needs to go through Motorola directly. We have exchanged 2 devices already for this line we will not be able to exchange out a 3rd device for the same model. If you are still unhappy with this device we can exchange it for a different model phone and we will waive the $35 restocking fee, however, if you feel this is just a manufacture defect you can reach out to Motorola at 800.734.5870 or motorola . com
So according to the Solutions manager , there is a 3 unit limit per customer on models of the same device, despite experiencing manufacturers defects that employees admitted were in fact manufacturer defects?
I respond:
(Mon 7:06pm) “ I didn’t realize there was a limit on manufacturer defects! What would you recommend? Is a non working flash on a phone that has taken less than 50 pictures a manufacturer defect or a feature of the droid turbo? Because I’d love to have your answer on record.”
Jeff G responds:
(Mon 7:13pm) “After reviewing the devices exchanged the manufacture defects that were reported are not currently listed as defects by Motorola as a result the devices exchanged were done as a courtesy as a Verizon customer. Future defects should be reported to Motorola. Again if you are unhappy with this phone we are willing to make a final exception to waive the restocking fee to exchange the device for a different model.”
So, at this point I am insulted and offended. First of all, the devices I returned were not exchanged as a “courtesy”—I had demonstrated and provided evidence, BEYOND WHAT SHOULD EVER HAVE BEEN NECESSARY OF A CUSTOMER YOU WANT TO BE COURTIOUS TO, that each of the devices I exchanged were not performing as advertised. Secondly, he is flat our refusing to honor Motorola’s manufacturer’s warranty, despite the fact that I have had the unit for less than 24 hours and it is in PRISTINE condition.
Can a Verizon employee (Jeff) arbitrarily and retroactively change the terms of your exchange of a defective device? Verizon is contractually obligated to provide you with a device that functions as described, but instead Jeff is saying “basically, we took care of you because you whined about it hard enough.” This is despite the verbal attestation of multiple employees at the location that the defects were indeed noted at my time of exchange.
Tuesdsay, 11/4/2014 – I call Motorola. (Case # XXX-XXXXX)
I take Jeff’s advice and call Motorola- I still want a functioning Droid Turbo. Talk to Tech support about flash issue, they agree to send a replacement unit no problem. They ask me for the IMEI number. This is where the problems created by the employees at the Verizon Store Maple Village come to the surface.
I give Motorola my IMEI on the box (XXXXXXXXXXXXX) —but it doesn’t match my device info in their computers. (Remember how they would not give me the matching boxes with my exchanged devices?)
So we investigate further. Motorola tech has me dial a number that gives me Droid Turbo #3’s internal number. (IMEI: XXXXXXXXXXXXX) I get put on hold…and apparently escalated to Tier 2 tech support because the number I gave them isn’t matching the numbers they should have in their system. Fraud alarm bells have gone off, something about what he saw in the info attached to the IMEE# of my device.
Motorola tells me that the Verizon employees have done something wrong, and perhaps even illegal, in processing my exchanges. He says that I need to return to the store and request a replacement unit, with the matching box, serial numbers, parts, etc. This effects my warranty, and apparently could be related to illegal practices behind the scenes at this particular Verizon store? He’s vague about the details, but says they need to escalate it. He gives me a case number and says I’ll be contacted within 48 hours during the investigation.
In Summary:
I don’t know what to say at this point. I demand as many replacement Droid Turbo models as is necessary until I receive a unit that functions as designed and advertised, without defect or flaw, and not as a “courtesy as a Verizon customer,” but as a “fulfilment of the contractual obligation Verizon has to its customers.” This does not seem to be an unreasonable request, given that I am paying for a product and service.
Update at time of publishing: My camera flash has not malfunctioned in 24 hrs, I don't know if it was just working out the kinks, was software related, or new battery, who knows. I don't. What I do know is I have 0% expectation that I will get a replacement unit, so I'm probably just dropping the turbo instead of risking having an unwarranty-able device with no Verizon support and a potential faulty flash.
Try to get the district manager's contact info - they will be able to help you out.
That sucks man. I do have a couple things to say (I know you're mad and I don't blame you for being mad but just some insight on the phone issues not Verizon I won't back them up) I got the Turbo as well and as far as the battery goes.....the first day it's going to suck. Smartphones aren't going to be perfect out of the box because they haven't experienced real world scenarios yet. Phone's batteries can take up to 2 days sometimes more to become for lack of a better term calibrated. My battery was the same but I let it do it's thing and now I get over 24hrs if not close to 40. Yes I'm concious about how I use it but it performs really well. Also your IMEI# is under setting>about phone>status. You don't need the box. One final thing and I'm not assuming anything but....there was an update that came basically the same day this phone went on sale. Now I don't know exactly what the update was for but it may or may not have fixed some of the problems you were having.
As far as Verizon....yeah they didn't treat you right. I'm sorry they did that to you and the reason for this post was again to help you. I noticed you joined xda just this month so I'll say this. This site does a really good job at helping people with issues/questions with their phones. Sometimes it's better to look around on the site or other sites to see what if any other kind of problems other users are having. I am here everyday to read up on things that I may have missed. I mean I spent $600 on the phone, I want to know as much as I can about how to fix or take care of it. No it's not on us as users to fix the problem of a company's mistakes. But sometimes it can produce better results. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or just to let me know what you think.
Can you just return the phone since you are still in the 14 day return period and get something else?
I dont want to sound like an *** because I have sympathy in wanting a "perfect" phone... but none of the issues you are describing sound like 'manufacturer's defects' to me.
A manufacturer defect is something like: the phone doesnt hold any charge, or half the screen is white, or there is no speakerphone.
"unusually fast drain" of the battery is totally subjective. the screen color issues have already been noted as simply being the result of the quality of the screens in general.
Again, I get you're not happy with the phones, but it may just be that your expectations are too high. the whole sim card swap and holding onto the box thing is wierd though.
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I dont want to sound like an *** because I have sympathy in wanting a "perfect" phone... but none of the issues you are describing sound like 'manufacturer's defects' to me.
A manufacturer defect is something like: the phone doesnt hold any charge, or half the screen is white, or there is no speakerphone.
"unusually fast drain" of the battery is totally subjective. the screen color issues have already been noted as simply being the result of the quality of the screens in general.
Again, I get you're not happy with the phones, but it may just be that your expectations are too high. the whole sim card swap and holding onto the box thing is wierd though.
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I agree, knowing what I know now about battery new battery cycles, I may not have ever even taken that first one back. In fact, I wish to god I hadn't, because the flash and screen on that one were functioning and consistent (and up to my high standards )
Honestly I am just looking at changing to another model...I just don't think there's another one I want right now, I waited 3 years for the Droid Turbo and I want a good one damnit.
I had some MAJOR issues with Verizon over the past week, spent over 12 hours on the phone with them, spoken with 7 different Reps, until I had enough. I called their Corporate Office......Ezekiel took care of my issues in ONE phone call, AND I was credited for my inconvenience. I've been a Verizon Customer for 8 years, have 7 lines with them, spend, on average, $5500 a year on Service, more if I buy devices (I've bought 4 tablets from them over the past two years my latest being the Note Pro 12.2) and I regularly upgrade my phones out of contract. IF you're having issues again, I'd recommend giving this guy a call, or call their Executive Offices in New York.
I've removed the personalized message and Case Number, but this is the Contact Info for him directly.
If you have additional concerns, please contact me at (770)-521-5633. My office hours are 8:00am– 4:00pm EST Monday through Friday.
Regards,
Ezekiel Fields
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Im perplexed that you didnt just return the phone. There is nothing wrong with our droid turbos but im starting to hate them and i expect to just return them. I dont mind restock fees to get rid of something i dislike
Don't take this too harshly bro but, your being a **** about all of this. If you don't like the Turbo, take their offer to get something else. Otherwise, STFU. They could tell you to piss off but, they are trying to make you happy and you are refusing. They could ignore your emails and calls and tell you you are delusional and let you be stuck with what you have. Here they are though, eating cash hand over fist exchanging phones for you and you persist. If Motorola tells Verizon that your problem isn't a problem, Verizon eats the phone. At $700 a pop, no matter how loyal a customer you are, there is going to come a time when it's just more profitable to let you walk.
Verizon swapping out the phones without visibly removing them from a brand new box, or at least providing you with the original retail packaging, is where I feel Verizon has really screwed up. As a customer, without the original packaging and paper trail, you have no way of supporting any proof of purchase or warranty claims (as you have unfortunately discovered). You also have no way of knowing whether or not those devices are actually new devices. Honestly, given the bull**** runaround they have given you on each occasion, I would seriously not be surprised if each of those "new" phones are actually units other customers have purchased and returned, likely for the same reasons you did. They are probably trying to reduce RMA chargebacks for non-defective units so are betting that either customers perceive faults where there are none, or that some poor schlub will get it and not know any better.
I'd definitely try and get in contact with someone in customer relations, maybe post something on their twitter account, that store is dicking you around.
Otherwise, did you have to pay anything for the phone, or did you use Edge? If you paid something for it, if you did so on a credit card, you may want to contact the card company and see what options you can pursue through them.
Honestly I would just return the phone but not getting a matching imei box after stating your defect is ridiculous. Another thing is that they give you two different ones from the back, what is this? A McDonalds and you exchanging a burger because you didn't ask for pickles. That store is ridiculous and I would take my business elsewhere. I've had a couple instances where I see a problem and they don't believe me and they ask coworkers and they agree because they're buddy buddy and have to be a team. It makes you feel uncomfortable, its not their devices, why do they think returning a phone is a problem. Its not coming out of their pockets, its not their 2 year agreement.
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Don't take this too harshly bro but, your being a **** about all of this. If you don't like the Turbo, take their offer to get something else. Otherwise, STFU. They could tell you to piss off but, they are trying to make you happy and you are refusing. They could ignore your emails and calls and tell you you are delusional and let you be stuck with what you have. Here they are though, eating cash hand over fist exchanging phones for you and you persist. If Motorola tells Verizon that your problem isn't a problem, Verizon eats the phone. At $700 a pop, no matter how loyal a customer you are, there is going to come a time when it's just more profitable to let you walk.
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You sound like the employees at the Verizon store I have been visiting--trolly. (Troll-y?) Sorry bub, I'm not going to be intimidated into shutting up about real issues with a product I pay money for, not by you, or the managers at my verizon store.
And here I go breaking my rule about not feeding your kind.
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You sound like the employees at the Verizon store I have been visiting--trolly. (Troll-y?) Sorry bub, I'm not going to be intimidated into shutting up about real issues with a product I pay money for, not by you, or the managers at my verizon store.
And here I go breaking my rule about not feeding your kind.
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I work for Verizon on the indirect side (non corporate) in Jersey. They totally violated their own return exchange policy. The reason they did what they did..if my logic is correct..is simply give you a different phone without actually processing an exchange because it will make their internal numbers look bad because of how hard VZW Corp is pushing this phone. I got mine day 1 (also from corporate) and my battery also was not perfect day one..but has gotten better. I know the rep I dealt with personally and know he won't try to screw me. I would recommend going to another Corporate store and explaining the situation to them. Be calm and don't be afraid to turn on the poor mes. Don't be angry as anger is simply reciprocated and doesn't force intimidation like everyone thinks..all it does is make people less likely to help you. Avoid that other store like the plague..now and in the future. Any questions..don't be afraid to PM me.
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I work for Verizon on the indirect side (non corporate) in Jersey. They totally violated their own return exchange policy. The reason they did what they did..if my logic is correct..is simply give you a different phone without actually processing an exchange because it will make their internal numbers look bad because of how hard VZW Corp is pushing this phone. I got mine day 1 (also from corporate) and my battery also was not perfect day one..but has gotten better. I know the rep I dealt with personally and know he won't try to screw me. I would recommend going to another Corporate store and explaining the situation to them. Be calm and don't be afraid to turn on the poor mes. Don't be angry as anger is simply reciprocated and doesn't force intimidation like everyone thinks..all it does is make people less likely to help you. Avoid that other store like the plague..now and in the future. Any questions..don't be afraid to PM me.
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Thank you for the helpful advice. I hear what you are saying about the anger! Unfortunately it tends to be the only emotion left behind after being so thoroughly run around. That at bitterness
I shared my post with the Michigan district managers via e-mail. I'm hoping that they'll care enough about the fraudulent employee practices to get involved.
I'm with the others here that have said you are being a douche about this. Sorry to hear your third and final exchange from Verizon has an actual defect. The battery, as you already admitted was a mistake to exchange for. The screen was also dumb. If you can only detect a problem with a screen in low light with the brightness turned down there is no problem. That is a "perfect" screen by manufacturer standards. The flash sounds like a real problem and I wouldn't be happy with the phone you have now either, but the problem is that you have already returned tm2 phones which testing showed to be "perfect" and now those phones will have to be refurbished and sold as such at a loss for Verizon. They have to make the call to stop exchanging for the same device at some point because not only are you costing them money, you are depleting the stock in that store meaning they may lose customers because the phone they want is no longer in stock.
As far as them walking out of the back with the phone out of the box, I would interperate that as them pulling out the phone and powering it on before bringing it out to you to make sure that it is functioning properly. I'm not sure why they wouldn't give you the boxes, but as someone else pointed out, there's no reason you needed them. As far as Motorola saying they did something "illegal", I'm calling BS. That isn't information they would share with a customer. They would simply tell you to go back to the store or they would exchange/repair your device.
To the guy who works at an indirect store, I worked at one for quite a while too and I would like to share with everyone else that indirect employees are not told anything about internal exchange practices. I don't know for sure that pulling a phone out of the box before bringing it to the counter is or isn't against policy, but I do know for sure that that isn't something an indirect employee would know.
My Turbos should be here tomorrow and I hope they're only as "defective" as the OP's first 2...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I wish i was b.s'ing about Motos fraud investigation--my replacement would be on its way now if it wasn't for this. Tech supp tried to process exchange, ran into "unusual information" associated with my ohones ImEI #, elevated my call to a manager, who asked me more questions, told me verizon employees at the store "really did not take care of me," and that they have to open an investigation into the store's practices, putting my replacement on hold--he said the words suspected fraud. *shrug*
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That sucks man. I do have a couple things to say (I know you're mad and I don't blame you for being mad but just some insight on the phone issues not Verizon I won't back them up) I got the Turbo as well and as far as the battery goes.....the first day it's going to suck. Smartphones aren't going to be perfect out of the box because they haven't experienced real world scenarios yet. Phone's batteries can take up to 2 days sometimes more to become for lack of a better term calibrated. My battery was the same but I let it do it's thing and now I get over 24hrs if not close to 40. Yes I'm concious about how I use it but it performs really well. Also your IMEI# is under setting>about phone>status. You don't need the box. One final thing and I'm not assuming anything but....there was an update that came basically the same day this phone went on sale. Now I don't know exactly what the update was for but it may or may not have fixed some of the problems you were having.
As far as Verizon....yeah they didn't treat you right. I'm sorry they did that to you and the reason for this post was again to help you. I noticed you joined xda just this month so I'll say this. This site does a really good job at helping people with issues/questions with their phones. Sometimes it's better to look around on the site or other sites to see what if any other kind of problems other users are having. I am here everyday to read up on things that I may have missed. I mean I spent $600 on the phone, I want to know as much as I can about how to fix or take care of it. No it's not on us as users to fix the problem of a company's mistakes. But sometimes it can produce better results. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or just to let me know what you think.
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These are the types of guys that make XDA awesome
I really appreciate the kind words sir. I've always felt this is a place where users are supposed to help each other. And as I have been a person (lurker really) who has used this site since my droid x days I felt the new guy needed some assistance. Again thanks. As far as my on topic point, Verizon didn't help the situation and that sucks but again I feel as users sometimes it's better to try to figure out the problem yourself cuz when you add more people to the mix it can get sloppy. XDA is the place you can always go for guidance.
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I'm not sure why they wouldn't give you the boxes, but as someone else pointed out, there's no reason you needed them..
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Stop being stupid. When purchasing a new product, you expect it to come with an original retail manufacturing box. That box and internals should match the product purchased, period. Otherwise there would be no point in manufacturers investing time and money into labeling each box with specific serial numbers, model numbers, etc.
Has for the OP -
I had to exchange my Droid Turbo 32GB BN due to a defect as well, though my Verizon experience was much different than the OP during exchange. When exchanging my unit, I was very professional & civil about my complaint, it can make all the difference in the world.
The Exchange:
I was approached immediately upon entering my local Verizon store and greeted by an employee named Jason. I informed Jason to accompany me to the location of the demo display units and personally began explaining to him the differences between devices.
Jason was very hesitant at first, but I quickly produced alternative examples with more detailed information and replicated the issue in real time. Jason at this point was in agreement with me but not fully committed to exchange the device as he had to get manager approval. This transaction took a total of about 5 minutes, from the minute I stepped into the store.
The manager, Jeff, approached the sales counter at this point and spoke briefly with Jason. Immediately the manager began asking the same questions Jason did before hand. In which case I explained to Jeff the same information provided previously with Jason. This transaction took roughly 4 minutes.
Manager gives the go ahead, but before I let him walk away I immediately ask him if they had the 64GB in stock as they did not have it previously. Manager confirms stock, in which I inform him I am willing to pay the difference minus the restocking fee. Manager agrees, Jason retrieves the new Turbo 64GB in an unopened box and begins activation. I quickly ask to see the device and inspect it before he proceeds to make sure it does not have the same issues/defects. Everything looked fine, I give the go ahead. This transaction took 6 minutes.
At this point, while waiting for the activation process, I strike up a nice conversation with a couple of the employees around the counter (as it was slow for them at the time). I bring up the question of how many Turbo units they had sold in the past couple days. The numbers were surprising, around 23 units locally in two days (not including online). They even went so far as to inform me about the limited edition employee version with red metal trim to match Verizon branding and two of the four employees present were actually using Turbos personally.
Activation goes through, I am handed the retail box that matches the unit sold and a receipt with the cost difference. No restock fee applied, only the upgraded capacity valued. They put my exchanged unit in a box, but I inform them to take it out and reset as I did not perform that. They hand me the phone, letting me take care of the reset. I finish reset and complete our exchange.
I thank Jason for his time, we shake hands. I locate and approach the manager Jeff, thank him for his time and shake hands. I do this, so that at this point I establish a connection. Chances are they don't care and I'm immediately forgotten the minute I leave and that is fine. The point is if I have to come back again, I more likely made a bigger positive impact than running in flipping tables
At this point the total time spent from the moment I enter to exiting the store was roughly 28 minutes, chalk it up to 30 give or take.
Sorry you had a bad experience all around, but a little generosity and professionalism can go a long way. (Not aimed at you specifically, don't get defensive)
TL;DR: They did not treat you properly and you have a right to complain.
Couple of days ago I preordered a handset so while waiting for it to come I have done customer service research and found something I came across with my Motorola that was virtually non-existing post purchase warranty service. I had my own case with M7 that I simply dropped the case after went forward sending my phone there and back for 2 times but the phone came back from repair centre crippled.
So today I found some repair centre story that in comparison to mine....well mine is a joke Guy went through 4 months of ordeal and zillion emails and without success. Lies upon lies. Ok that was in 2012. Mine case was in 2013. We all know HTC had nothing but a downward journey ever since.
I love what I see U 11 because of supperb camera and unparalleled audio experience in audio department BUT God forbid I will hate myself if anything goes wrong with phone and I have nothing but the trouble. Realistically HTC in red and last thing they can do is decent post purchase service I think they simply have neither infrastructure nor cash.
By the way in both cases phones were still covered by warranty and eligible for repair.
Tell me how was your warranty services in the last 1-2 years.
Thanks in advance.
I haven't sent any HTC phone for repair, but I did have an experience with Sony. I sent a phone for repair for few issues and the turnaround was pretty quick. It took Sony less than 2 days to repair/replace parts and send the phone back to me. I do believe it depends who you talk to and who processed the repair ticket and such. Sometimes there are user errors where customer doesn't follow the instruction which were provided before sending the phone in. The other times someone from the support makes a mistake in the system and this results in unnecessary headache and confusion. I am thinking about picking up U11 and not worried about not getting post-sale support. It is the obligation of the manufactures to handle any warranty services as it is the responsibility of the consumer to pay attention to the rules of the warranty.
Actually I had some issue with HTC customer service last year when I purchased my HTC 10. The charger stop working after 2 weeks and I mailed HTC service several times but they never answered me back. At the end I sold my HTC 10. But I am going to buy HTC U11 from a shop and not from any online store.
Consumer complaints about HTC..
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/htc.html
I've only dealt with HTC Chat customer service and I don't think anyone comes close to them. I've only had to send out my HTC 10 at one point because the lock/power button became really hard to press. Came back around two weeks later only to find that the camera lens wasn't lined up properly and so I was able to send it back again. Never had an issue at all either time.
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Actually I had some issue with HTC customer service last year when I purchased my HTC 10. The charger stop working after 2 weeks and I mailed HTC service several times but they never answered me back. At the end I sold my HTC 10. But I am going to buy HTC U11 from a shop and not from any online store.
Consumer complaints about HTC..
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/htc.html
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That is atrocious experience (consumeraffairs). Same as Motorola. A 1000 loop post purchase service set in the parallel world run by asylum house. Reason is not valid there.
At this moment I have 2 weeks till my phone deliver but I seriously thinking of cancelling my order and sticking to my Pixel. NO I don't want to waste my life like those poor customers.
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That is atrocious experience (consumeraffairs). Same as Motorola. A 1000 loop post purchase service set in the parallel world run by asylum house. Reason is not valid there.
At this moment I have 2 weeks till my phone deliver but I seriously thinking of cancelling my order and sticking to my Pixel. F**k NO I don't want to waste my life like those poor customers.
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Go look up any OEM on there, no one has good reviews. It's a site for complaints so that is all you get complaints. Compare also to Samsung, Moto, LG on that website they are all bad.
You're far more likely to find bad experiences of any company posted online, because why would anyone feel the need to post good experiences? I had to send my LG G4 back due to bootloop and it was a 10 day turnaround and I was happy with it... however I've also seen horror stories about LG warranty repairs as well.
I reckon I could find dozens of bad experiences posted online for EVERY smartphone manufacturer (and probably every major manufacturer of goods as well). Does that mean I'll never buy a smartphone? Of course not! You can try to minimise the risk of getting a bad experience if you like, by doing tons of research about who has the best customer service, quickest repair turnaround, etc. but why waste your life like that? Even going with a company that seems like it has the best service won't GUARANTEE that you'll get that great service!
If you're really that worried about breaking your phone then get a tempered screen protector, a heavy duty case, spray-on grip for your hands and pray every day! ?
Agreed a bad/good experience can be had by most. I almost pre-ordered but didn't in the end. I feel HTC did a good job with the 11 like the 10 but it's a sold double not the home run. Personally I'm waiting on the OP5, mostly because of the dev support. If I had an unlimited phone budget I would certainly at least take it for a spin.
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Wow, I just googled for Apple warranty problems and can you believe that not everyone has had as good service as you? You probably can't believe it as you don't want to take the point that myself and others are trying to make - that your hours and hours of research on after sales care doesn't really mean that you'll definitely get great service every single time, whether it's Apple, HTC or any other manufacturer. But please, keep researching because I'll be enjoying my life in the meantime and being polite to people and respecting their opinions and experiences.
Oh, don't bother replying to me as you'll be wasting more of your time as I've unsubscribed to this thread now. Good luck with your search (and your people skills)!
@aknotts415 This was mine experience. Legit one. I would not bring this but people like you ask for it. Simply go there and compare.
LG vs HTC. I am providing you two links one for each.
LG total of 19 reviews score is 2.7 https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.htc.com ( Though there ara other threads that have Bootloop issue all over G4 Nexus 5x)
HTC total of 227 reviews score 2.0. https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.htc.com
Again I am seeking people who had direct experience like me. That would be much easier for me.
janjan said:
Actually I had some issue with HTC customer service last year when I purchased my HTC 10. The charger stop working after 2 weeks and I mailed HTC service several times but they never answered me back. At the end I sold my HTC 10. But I am going to buy HTC U11 from a shop and not from any online store.
Consumer complaints about HTC..
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/htc.html
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How would that make a difference if you buy from an online shop? Though Iv;e red someone did that in order bypass direct contact with OEM.
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@aknotts415 This was mine experience. Legit one. I would not bring this but people like you ask for it. Simply go there and compare.
LG vs HTC. I am providing you two links one for each.
LG total of 19 reviews score is 2.7 https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.htc.com ( Though there ara other threads that have Bootloop issue all over G4 Nexus 5x)
HTC total of 227 reviews score 2.0. https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.htc.com
Again I am seeking people who had direct experience like me. That would be much easier for me.
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Just to compare
LG https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/lg_cell_phones.html
HTC
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/htc.html
Samsung
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/samsung_cell_phones.html
Apple
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/apple_iphone.html
Sony
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/ericsson.htm
My point is they all rank bad on these complaint websites. People only go there to complain. U have every right from ur story to hate HTC and I'm not discrediting you it's just these websites are not realistic bases since there only for complaints
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Go look up any OEM on there, no one has good reviews. It's a site for complaints so that is all you get complaints. Compare also to Samsung, Moto, LG on that website they are all bad.
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Agree. Only people that have bad experience will complain, but people that had no issues or had positive experience with customer service of any given OEM, won't post their positive experience info.
@aknotts415 the sole reason I gave you my links to trustpilot is there you can right positive review too. Make your conclusions here. Forget consumer affairs.
It's all about personal feelings and experiences.
I have always had HTC never ever a problem with it what so ever.
Great camera is key for me so I went for the LG G4.... Three times for repair!! What a nightmare phone. Great pics though.
So i have to say never a LG for me. Glad the U11 has the best camera. And I can rely on the great quality of HTC again.
But always keep in my mind it's a tech product.
I've had nothing but superb customer service/repairs from HTC, they recently fixed my HTC10 and I had it back within the week, same with my M9 the year before.
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I've had nothing but superb customer service/repairs from HTC, they recently fixed my HTC10 and I had it back within the week, same with my M9 the year before.
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What fault did you have on the phone? Did the phone come back without any visible repair damage like body integrity ?
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What fault did you have on the phone? Did the phone come back without any visible repair damage like body integrity ?
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HTC M9 had small cracks on the corners of the screen bezel, and my 10 had a hot spot on the screen, both came back in the exact same condition only with the issues fixed completely.
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@Adam182 Thanks!