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Im looking for an X1 replacement batter with the charger. I have this same exact thing for my HTC Touch Cruise and believe me it is a godsend. Instead of sitting there for my phone to charge, I have one in the dock charging all the time. So when I run low to dead just swap and in seconds I have new juice.
Link to the htc touch cruise one that i have
http://cgi.ebay.com/1350mAh-Battery...14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318

unless your a really power user you probably won't need to charge the battery that often given hercules is powering the x1 i think with heavy use you'd be good charging it probably once every 10-12 hours

What about with WiFi use?
I know on my Wizard the battery goes in about 2 hours with WiFi active even if its just idling with Messenger. Have they actually improved that much over the years? I'm hopeful but also skeptical.

WMVWifiRouter will kill your battery in an hour and a half.
I'd be curious to know if there are any reliable aftermarket batteries. Buying any Sony OEM parts are always ridiculously expensive and many aftermarket batteries don't work well with Sony products.

well based on what i've been reading about the X1 it's supposed to have a nice increase in battery life compared to our current HTC phones. supposedly sony made a special project just for the phone codename Hercules it's supposed to be using a 1800 mah li poly in stead of what we use in our current phones which is li ion supposedly using the li poly is going to give the battery a much needed boost that all ppc's need to go all day or maybe a couple of days given the usage
Li-poly batteries is over 20% higher than that of a classical Li-ion battery and they store more energy than nickel-cadmium (NiCd) and nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries of the same volume.
When compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly has a greater life cycle degradation rate. However, in recent years, manufacturers have been declaring upwards of 500 charge-discharge cycles before the capacity drops to 80% (see Sanyo). Another variant of Li-poly cells, the "thin film rechargeable lithium battery", has been shown to provide more than 10,000 cycles.
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stole that from the wiki page

modding a tablet to take cellphone batteries?

I was looking into this because it sucks that you can't have this option on tablets. I don't understand why these companies don't make tablets like they do cellphones.

Tablets will have batteries with higher mAh capacities than phones. So unless you don't mind shorter battery life, you would need to use multiple cell phone battery packs in parallel to match the mAh capacity.
The biggest roadblock is getting the battery safety system to work. The 3rd terminal on lithium batteries in cell phones is used to monitor the battery and can be as simple as a thermistor or sometimes more complex. I'm not sure how standardized this is across brands.

Yeah if it was done with 2 ports that would work...

Toyota Confirms: Li-Ion Batteries Have a “Memory Effect”

http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/03/li-ion-batteries-memory-effect
We all know how important batteries are in our modern electronics. They’re also becoming an increasingly vital part of our vehicles. For people in both camps, the latest news from Toyota is disheartening: Li-Ion batteries have a “memory effect”.
Ni-Cad Batteries
When the traditional, land-line telephone evolved from a corded beast into a clunky — but wireless — beast, there was much cause for celebration. The battery technology of the day was Ni-Cad (Nickel Cadmium). Batteries based on this technology were used in everything from cordless phones to satellites orbiting the planet. There were two significant problems that plagued these batteries.
First, after thousands of charge/discharge cycles to within 2% of the same state of charge, the battery would develop a “sudden drop” in voltage. To many electronic devices, this drop would make the battery appear “dead”. NASA figured this one out because their batteries could only be charged when the sun was shining on panels, and the satellites usually used the same amount of energy to power them while they were in Earth’s shadow. It’s extremely unlikely that any consumer electronic device would be subjected to conditions that would reproduce this problem. Scientists at GE’s Battery Business Department in Gainesville, Florida published a paper describing the “memory effect”, but didn’t convey that Earth-bound consumers should never run into this condition, and later retracted their paper, but the damage in the public-eye was already done.
VGER
What kind of battery technology powers V’GER?
Second, there was another issue with Ni-Cad batteries that presented symptoms similar to that discovered by NASA and GE: “voltage depression” or “lazy battery effect”. This results from repeated overcharging, but can generally be “fixed” by subjecting the battery to a few deep cycles.
Eventually new technologies were introduced, eventually bringing us to today’s Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries. Unfortunately, to the typical end-user who wants their electronics to be fully-charged, keeping the battery on the charger for extended periods of time only increases the effect, and makes the usable per-charge lifespan of the battery lower — even with the new technology.
Li-Ion Batteries
Lithium Ion and Lithium Polymer batteries are found in almost every electronic device today. Cell phones, smart watches, and even hybrid and electric vehicles are powered by these technological gems. According to a new study, even our latest and greatest battery technology isn’t immune from the dreaded “memory effect”, though you’re not as likely to see it as you were with Ni-Cad batteries. That’s the good news.
Samsung Li-Ion Battery
The battery inside your cell phone is likely Li-Ion
There’s a lot of physics and technical information behind why batteries present this “memory” when discharging, and if you’re interested in all that, I highly recommend the article at Phys.org that I’ve linked below. For this article, however, suffice it to say that Li-Ion has the same problem as older battery technologies, just not as visible. Luckily, the “solution” is the same today as it was two decades ago.
How to Defeat the Memory Effect of Li-Ion Batteries
We’ve all got to realize that we can’t get rid of the “memory effect” problem. It’s inherent to the technology — and likely to batteries in general. But now that we know about it, we can adapt and minimize the impact the “memory effect” has on our electronics. It’s fairly simple, which may be one reason why it’s not widely adopted. Keep the following rules in mind:
Realize that your batteries don’t like to live at the very top or the very bottom of their charge capacity. Don’t keep your devices on the charger after they’re fully charged. Similarly, don’t leave them dead in a drawer for expended periods of time either.
Every once in a while, completely discharge your device, then completely charge it up again. Do that a few times in a row. This will help “condition” the battery and will ensure that you get better use of its capacity. Doing this will reduce the rated lifespan of the battery, but it will get you more practical use out of it and prevent a premature death.
That’s it. Pretty simple, right? Ironically that’s what HAM Radio operators have been telling us for many decades, and those guys really know their stuff!
Sources: Nature.com; Phys.org

http://www.computershopper.com/feat...-battery-life-a-chat-with-hp-s-battery-expert
Good read. Fortunately there is a video for the tl;dr version.
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bobbiac said:
http://www.computershopper.com/feat...-battery-life-a-chat-with-hp-s-battery-expert
Good read. Fortunately there is a video for the tl;dr version.
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that video's 28 minutes long! if the op takes you longer then you may not really need to be in a tech oriented forum, lol.:laugh::angel:

That's awesome that they can confirm something most people already knew.
/facepalm

madsquabbles said:
that video's 28 minutes long! if the op takes you longer then you may not really need to be in a tech oriented forum, lol.:laugh::angel:
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Think of it as listening to a podcast on the way to work.

[Q] Can other manufacturer battery harm my device ?

I wanna buy additional battery for galaxy s4 i9500
if i buy zerolemon 3000mAh battery i dont get nfc
if i buy samsung oem 2600mAh battery i get nfc...
i dont care about nfc to be frank
I want to know if that zerolemon battery can fry the chipset or motherboard or any other part ?
coz my playstation got fried coz of a duplicate adapter and it happend over a time period of 8 months... !
so i wanna know can zerolemon 3000mAh battery fry my chipset coz its like 20$ for 2 batteries and a free charger but samsung will be like 25$ for 1 battery without a charger ....
please help
thanks

anuj6111 said:
I wanna buy additional battery for galaxy s4 i9500
if i buy zerolemon 3000mAh battery i dont get nfc
if i buy samsung oem 2600mAh battery i get nfc...
i dont care about nfc to be frank
I want to know if that zerolemon battery can fry the chipset or motherboard or any other part ?
coz my playstation got fried coz of a duplicate adapter and it happend over a time period of 8 months... !
so i wanna know can zerolemon 3000mAh battery fry my chipset coz its like 20$ for 2 batteries and a free charger but samsung will be like 25$ for 1 battery without a charger ....
please help
thanks
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If NFC ain't working,it is safer to use official.
Other than mAh ,also check input, output volt,etc.

BleedingIris said:
If NFC ain't working,it is safer to use official.
Other than mAh ,also check input, output volt,etc.
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The input and output everything is same as samsung only manufacturer is different .... so I am confused if zerolemon is giving the battery so cheap is it e1 up to the quality standards of samsung ... coz I dont want to fry this device ... can't afford another one for 2 yrs ..

be easy. Never will it fry your chipset.
the sumsung battery is 3.8v in average , 4.35V limited, highest li-ion battery. most other battery is 3.7v average,4.2 limited.
waht's more, inside the phone there are protection circuit and dc-dc circuit to low the battery voltage from 3.5-4.35 to the voltages every part of phone needed.

jiant.li said:
be easy. Never will it fry your chipset.
the sumsung battery is 3.8v in average , 4.35V limited, highest li-ion battery. most other battery is 3.7v average,4.2 limited.
waht's more, inside the phone there are protection circuit and dc-dc circuit to low the battery voltage from 3.5-4.35 to the voltages every part of phone needed.
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are you sure about this thing ?
if this the senario then i will buy the zerolemon 3000mAh batteries as they are way cheaper than samsung oem !:victory:

The thing is this:
Any battery, even OEM, has the potential to harm your device, but the Samsung batteries are very high quality and less likely than the super-cheap chinese knock off copies that are made to look like Samsung batteries that you see everywhere on eBay.
A good aftermarket battery, such as Anker (or Zero Lemon or Mugen, etc.) is probably just as safe as OEM, because their quality is also very high, and they carry a good warranty. Personally, I have used Anker in my S2, S3 without any issues at all for years.

zero lemon it is then !!:victory:

donalgodon said:
The thing is this:
Any battery, even OEM, has the potential to harm your device, but the Samsung batteries are very high quality and less likely than the super-cheap chinese knock off copies that are made to look like Samsung batteries that you see everywhere on eBay.
A good aftermarket battery, such as Anker (or Zero Lemon or Mugen, etc.) is probably just as safe as OEM, because their quality is also very high, and they carry a good warranty. Personally, I have used Anker in my S2, S3 without any issues at all for years.
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yeah, but the potential is very few. There are many protection circuit for the phone. only if all of them failed, which rarely happens.
Chinese battery is always unsafe and ,it has less mAh than it marked.
I'v buy a 2000mAh in my country for S2 whose OEM battery only 1600mAh. I test it on a balance charger for modelplanes, only 1100mAh.

Stick with 'reputable' brands if you're going to use non-Samsung batteries. Not worth risking $800 worth of electronics to find out why the hard way.

MistahBungle said:
Stick with 'reputable' brands if you're going to use non-Samsung batteries. Not worth risking $800 worth of electronics to find out why the hard way.
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Is zerolemon reputable ??

Can't personally vouch for them/not as I've never used their products. But price is almost always a good guide with these things, if they're really cheap, stay away from their stuff.

they are cheap but a lotta people using them ...
So I am confused .... should I just buy oem ?

There's no 'right/wrong answer'. Some people on here have had good experiences with them, some people haven't. I suspect this is because quality of manufacture can vary widely between manufacturers & even between different 'batches' of the same battery from the same manufacturer. For me, I've had one experience with a cheapo brand non-Samsung battery (with my S2) which was a poor one & I was fortunate I could get a refund. End result = I won't use anything other than original Samsung batteries.

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There's no 'right/wrong answer'. Some people on here have had good experiences with them, some people haven't. I suspect this is because quality of manufacture can vary widely between manufacturers & even between different 'batches' of the same battery from the same manufacturer. For me, I've had one experience with a cheapo brand non-Samsung battery (with my S2) which was a poor one & I was fortunate I could get a refund. End result = I won't use anything other than original Samsung batteries.
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so basically its a gamble !
and in my case the house always wins !!!
so i think it will be better to stick to oem batteries ...

It can be a gamble, yeah. But plenty of people on here swear non-Samsung/cheap (as opposed to more expensive ones from reliable companies like Mugen, etc) batteries are fine from lots of manufacturers & they've had good experiences with them, however, if you look through Accessories/elsewhere, you see plenty of people who haven't had good experiences with them.
If you want a battery to work exactly as it should, be at or very very close to the rated capacity printed on the outside, and to last you a reasonable amount of time/give you plenty of use guaranteed (important word), then buy Samsung branded batteries. You know the quality of manufacture is consistent/of a high standard, and if you somehow get one that isn't, it's easy to get a replacement or your money back (and cases like this are rare).

zerolemon says battery for 19$ + 15$ for shipping !!
Lmao ! :laugh::laugh:
i can get the samsung official charging kit and official battery for less than that here !!
OEM it is then !

I have the Anker battery and find it better than the stock battery. Could be placebo but I find it gives me a tiny bit extra battery life.
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I would never go aftermarket to be honest. I just couldn't stomach the thought of my phone being denied quality power supply.

May be yes.
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Oneplus replacement parts availability for the next 5 years (battery, screen)

Hey xda,
I'm that kind of person who likes to keep his phones for 4-5 years.
To this day I'm still rocking my galaxy s4, many parts are available.
The oneplus 5 looks like a good phone to last at least 5 years, but as everyone knows, batteries fail, in my experience after about 2-2.5 years.
If I look for OPO batteries now, there only seem to be A: original OP batteries which have been laying in some warehouse for 4 years (bad for the battery) And B: third party batteries from questionable manufracturers (having bad reviews).
So my questions are:
What's your experience with oneplus 1/x/2/3 replacement parts (especially batteries) ?
Do you think it will be better with the oneplus 5 ?
(Should we push compagnies like RAVpower and anker to start producing op5 batteries? )
Thanks in advance,
nxss4

The oneplus 5 battery doesn't get hot when charged so theoretically it should last longer

Pro4TLZZ said:
The oneplus 5 battery doesn't get hot when charged so theoretically it should last longer
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Might be, but it also charges at a greater amperage. And eventually, it will fail..

It's probably too soon to see Op5 batteries on the market since the phone has only been out in Spring. And I think the OnePlus 3/3T was the first OnePlus phone that broke out of the niche market --and that phone is only a little over a year old so demand for new batteries probably isn't there yet. I would expect better choices becoming available for both phones since the OnePlus phones are becoming more popular. It seems possible this phone could last 5 years. I previously had Google phones and getting much more than 2 years out of those was like winning the lottery.

The phone may last, the battery not.
Batteries lose some of their capacity after a certain number of charge cycles, regardless what you do.
After a year or so, your battery will have about 80% of its capacity left. That's about 2400mAh after one year. By the second year you should be thinking about replacing it.

I think batteries in the past few years have gotten better. My one friend used his 2010 HTC desire for over 3 years before the original battery started to get weak (had like 70 percent of its original charge). His next phone I gave him was an HTC one s. The battery was still fine after 4 years when the amoled screen started to fail. Now he's using the 2013 moto x and the battery is still lasting 2 days like when I have it to him a couple years ago.
My galaxy s6 battery was still fine when I traded it in a few weeks ago. I've actually had quite a few older phones that didn't have any battery issues. The only ones I can remember having to replace the battery was a galaxy s3 I bought used and an HTC desire HD from 2011.
That said I'm sure we'll be able to get a battery because I do plan to keep this phone long enough to need a battery replacement. I'm guessing 4 years I will have to replace it.

With battery replacement costing $100+ you are probably better off buying a prior year midrange model than hauling around a clunker with severely outdated software for 5 years. For example, nowadays it is possible to purchase a Moto G5+ for around $220 NIB (there was a recent newegg deal).

Thank you so much for all the input guys!!!

GroovyGeek said:
With battery replacement costing $100+ you are probably better off buying a prior year midrange model than hauling around a clunker with severely outdated software for 5 years. For example, nowadays it is possible to purchase a Moto G5+ for around $220 NIB (there was a recent newegg deal).
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My 5 years old galaxy s4 runs 7.1. Oneplus 5's developper community is even better so it'll stay up to date for a long time.

nxss4 said:
My 5 years old galaxy s4 runs 7.1. Oneplus 5's developper community is even better so it'll stay up to date for a long time.
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5 yr old screen tech
5 yr old battery consumption and processor speed
5 yr old other tech (fingerprint readers, camera, GPS, magnetometer, light sensor)
vs
nearly lastest for all of the above for $100 more. Note that unlike your S4 the OP5 is a sealed battery so unless you have the right tools you cannot change the battery yourself.
Yo money yo choices

I can change the battery myself. I've had a few phones apart before. Its not that difficult. The cost of a battery will probably be like $20. The tech has gotten to the point where it's not improving nearly as fast. People will be using 5 year old phones 5 years from now. They cost double what they did 5 years ago for a flagship.

GroovyGeek said:
5 yr old screen tech
5 yr old battery consumption and processor speed
5 yr old other tech (fingerprint readers, camera, GPS, magnetometer, light sensor)
vs
nearly lastest for all of the above for $100 more. Note that unlike your S4 the OP5 is a sealed battery so unless you have the right tools you cannot change the battery yourself.
Yo money yo choices
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I don't know, I think the oneplus 5 is an amazing future proof devices, in 5 years galaxies will probably not have 8gigs of ram,
I don't play games so the 835 should be more than enough, fingerprint reader will still be one of the fastest (it's already kinda instantaneous) and 1080p works just fine for me
The reason I'm not going for a budget phone anymore is that've had bad experiences with budget devices in the past:
- The nexus 7 was unusable after only 2 years, freaking slow.
- The moto g2 is the slowest device I've ever used, I think it has some memory problems, it's slow on any custom rom I've flashed on it.
In addition to that budget devices just give a worse experience overall
Don't worry for the battery, repairing electronics is my hobby

Pwnycorn said:
The phone may last, the battery not.
Batteries lose some of their capacity after a certain number of charge cycles, regardless what you do.
After a year or so, your battery will have about 80% of its capacity left. That's about 2400mAh after one year. By the second year you should be thinking about replacing it.
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That is an untrue statement. There is no set amount of time to determine lots of capacity. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and look for lithium battery page on charge cycles.
In short, never let your battery deplete completely. The depth of discharge (DoD) directly impacts loss of battery capacity. Your battery charge cycles is when your charge from more then 80% or less to full 100%. So for example... If you wait to charge your phone when it's under 25%, you will get roughly 250-350 charge cycles before significant lots of capacity. The rest goes like this... Charge at 25-50%, you'll get roughly 350-500 cycles and 50-75% 500-700 cycles and from 75%+ upwards of 1000 charge cycles.
My Nexus 6P was 18 months old and still had a capacity of 3100mah of 3400 (88%). So if you know what you're doing and take care of your battery, it can last much longer then expected expected.

Eric214 said:
That is an untrue statement. There is no set amount of time to determine lots of capacity. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and look for lithium battery page on charge cycles.
In short, never let your battery deplete completely. The depth of discharge (DoD) directly impacts loss of battery capacity. Your battery charge cycles is when your charge from more then 80% or less to full 100%. So for example... If you wait to charge your phone when it's under 25%, you will get roughly 250-350 charge cycles before significant lots of capacity. The rest goes like this... Charge at 25-50%, you'll get roughly 350-500 cycles and 50-75% 500-700 cycles and from 75%+ upwards of 1000 charge cycles.
My Nexus 6P was 18 months old and still had a capacity of 3100mah of 3400 (88%). So if you know what you're doing and take care of your battery, it can last much longer then expected expected.
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How is my statement untrue? You just confirmed what I said.
No matter what you do, the battery will lose capacity. You can lower the amount of the capacity loss, but you can't prevent it fully.
And most people don't charge their phones until around the 30% range. According to you, that's about 250-350 charge cycles. And if you charge once a day, that's roughly a year.
So my estimate of the battery having roughly 20% less capacity after approximately a year was correct.
Not to mention the other factors that aid in the capacity loss (overcharging and heat).
Trust me, the average user doesn't take care of their batteries. I observed this at my friends and acquaintances. They always use their phones until it gets very low and then charge it.

Pwnycorn said:
How is my statement untrue? You just confirmed what I said.
No matter what you do, the battery will lose capacity. You can lower the amount of the capacity loss, but you can't prevent it fully.
And most people don't charge their phones until around the 30% range. According to you, that's about 250-350 charge cycles. And if you charge once a day, that's roughly a year.
So my estimate of the battery having roughly 20% less capacity after approximately a year was correct.
Not to mention the other factors that aid in the capacity loss (overcharging and heat).
Trust me, the average user doesn't take care of their batteries. I observed this at my friends and acquaintances. They always use their phones until it gets very low and then charge it.
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I'm not staying they don't lose capacity, but why I said untrue is that you said batteries have a certain amount of charge cycles, and that will vary if you take care of your battery, and that after 1 year you will only have 80% of the capacity, and again, untrue. I was at 18 months and still at 88%.
I'm just saying is that is not set in stone and if people educate themselves on hour to take care of a battery it will last longer.

I'm also aware of this and charge my battery before it gets below 35 sometimes before 50. This is probably why so many phones I've had lasted well over 3 years on the original batteries.