We have seen that on Macbook air 1 USB type C port has been utilized not just for charging but also being used as display port as well using an external adapter.
Will Nexus 6P/5X have such functionality using an additional adapter or directly may be to connect to HDMI TVs or connect OTG drives?
No. Disabled.
OTG should work, HDMI will not. I'm interested to see if the Pixel C has HDMI enabled. I would expect it to.
lensgrabber said:
OTG should work, HDMI will not. I'm interested to see if the Pixel C has HDMI enabled. I would expect it to.
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It does, and Google even sell a C-HDMI adaptor for that (only listed in the 'works with Pixel' section, though - not the Nexus sections).
Otg works... They confirmed and sell it on the store
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Thanks guys for your responses.. but why would they disable HDMI?
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Thanks guys for your responses.. but why would they disable HDMI?
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I guess because of Chromecast
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I guess because of Chromecast
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I'd be curious if we could re-enable it through root, or if it's a hardware limitation.
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Thanks guys for your responses.. but why would they disable HDMI?
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It's not "disabled", just N6P doesn't have USB Type-C 3.1.
Could you please explain more?
In the Type-C spec (.zip found here http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/) it defines what pins and wires are used for what. In a Type-C port or cable there are 2 dedicated pins/wires for USB 2.0. For USB 3.1 communications there are dedicated shielded twisted pair wires used for high speed communication. To support Display Port/HDMI, the Type-C port switches the use of those high-speed data wires over to that kind of output. (I think they called this alternate mode.) Anyway, the Nexus devices only support the USB 2.0 mode. It is unclear to me which of these is the case, but it basically means that either the USB controller in the phone can't support it, or the physical pins in the port are missing to connect and use those high speed wires. (Or both.)
It is possible it is just disabled in software, but that doesn't quite make sense to me. Why include all the hardware you need to enable USB 3.1 speeds, HDMI output, and a slew of other features such as USB-PD... But simply choose not to enable them? Seems far more likely to me that the lower cost of the USB 2.0 only mode (less complex controller and port) were used instead.
Hope that helps.
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As some of you may well know.. The Iphone 4 very well adapts to connecting to a TV set using its 30-pin connector one side and AV plugs at the other cable. I was just thinking....
If HDMI is not supported... Would we have an easier way into actually importing some kind of software or some mod into the kernal itself?
Do we even have AV- Mini-USB cable available to our disposal?
albanezi said:
As some of you may well know.. The Iphone 4 very well adapts to connecting to a TV set using its 30-pin connector one side and AV plugs at the other cable. I was just thinking....
If HDMI is not supported... Would we have an easier way into actually importing some kind of software or some mod into the kernal itself?
Do we even have AV- Mini-USB cable available to our disposal?
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Before anything like that could be used, You would need to get the play into USB host mode
Is that something that I.C.S could present us?
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Is that something that I.C.S could present us?
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No, you'll need SE to include it in their kernel/kernel source for our play or you'll need some devoted devs to port it from the Arc.
Regards Dousan...
Hey I have a few questions which I would appreciate if answered.
1. Can the a500 output to a monitor via dvi? Is there something that would need to be enabled or not. I know it can output via HDMI.
2. Has anyone actually bricked their device to a state in which it cant be recovered, I know sc2k can usually recover the device with the UID, but has anyone got their device completely bricked to the extent in which the only option was warranty replacement.
3. Is anyone developing a way in which to or event bricking or an unbricking tool.
Thank you.
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1. Can the a500 output to a monitor via dvi? Is there something that would need to be enabled or not. I know it can output via HDMI.
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Not natively, no. If you can find a device that converts HDMI to DVI signal then you could use that, but I don't know if such a device even exists.
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1. Can the a500 output to a monitor via dvi? Is there something that would need to be enabled or not. I know it can output via HDMI.
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You can get a male HDMI to female DVI adapter for under $2 from Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Adapter-Plated-Connector-Female/dp/B000FUVNX8
Which you would then use with your mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter.
http://www.amazon.com/HDmi-Cable-Adapter-Hdmi-Mini/dp/B002L5QGQ4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1319286322&sr=8-5
Jeff.
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You can get a male HDMI to female DVI adapter for under $2 from Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Adapter-Plated-Connector-Female/dp/B000FUVNX8
Which you would then use with your mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter.
http://www.amazon.com/HDmi-Cable-Ad...QGQ4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1319286322&sr=8-5
Jeff.
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Okay I should of said I have the adapter but it doesn't seem to display on my monitor I guess output resolution needs to be changed
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This has been asked several times before.you need a converter box. They are two different types of technology.
Thee also has been a few people that I heard sent there Tablets to acer to get unbricked. Not sure if they talked to seek or not thou.
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You can get a male HDMI to female DVI adapter for under $2 from Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Adapter-Plated-Connector-Female/dp/B000FUVNX8
Which you would then use with your mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter.
http://www.amazon.com/HDmi-Cable-Adapter-Hdmi-Mini/dp/B002L5QGQ4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1319286322&sr=8-5
Jeff.
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Hi, Jeff.
I actually have tried what you've suggested a while back. While it does allow you to connect, it does not power up the dvi port on the monitor/tv. I think something like what erica_renee or WereCatf are mentioning is needed.
Unfortunately I cannot find this magical device anywhere (Well,,, I only searched a 'little'. No real dedication, sorrrry.). I have an older monitor (dvi) that I would love to run the tab on...
I believe (since you've hooked it up, tried it and it didn't work) that your computer monitor does not support 1080p output from the Acer. I'm not sure, it could even be 720p, but either way it appears your monitor doesn't support that or the frame rate from the Acer.
For some reason hdmi to dvi doesn't work I tried every possible combination on many monitors with various resolution strange tho.
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Hmm well hope in the future there may be a way, for the bricking situation I know it'll be pretty much safe with cwm but there may be occurances where it fails.
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Hi guys,
Anyone know if the n4 has mhl support like its predecessor?
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It does.
Actually, it doesn't. It uses a different technology called SlimPort HDMI which is very similar but doesn't require having your phone connected to a power source like MHL does.
It also supports Miracast which is a wireless solution.
Great, thanks. Was always disappointed that my nexus 7 didn't have any way to connect to HDMI. Well my desire s is on its way out the door on the 13th.
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Actually, it doesn't. It uses a different technology called SlimPort HDMI which is very similar but doesn't require having your phone connected to a power source like MHL does.
It also supports Miracast which is a wireless solution.
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So does this mean that it will use the same adapter, or will there be a different one that is required to get HDMI out?
Miracast does look cool, but isn't that useful until more devices include it in or I buy a receiver for it (which I will).
I'm interested in this as well, SlimPort looks nice, except the price ($30) is way higher than MHL adapters. Are we sure that it won't work with MHL?
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Just read this on endadget: http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/nexus-4-boasts-slimport-support/
Questions:
(1) What's the difference between MHL and SlimPort?
(2) Does either one of these two option allow us to charge N4 while connecting to an external display?
If yes to (2) I'm 95% for getting an N4, and if yes to (2) with SlimPort then I'm up to 99.9% (engadget claims that there will be SlimPort-to-VGA adaptor -- yes some of still needs to give presentation using VGA...)
so does that mean that mhl will not work? -=X
http://www.analogix.com/products/slimport.html
I guess it's not compatible with MHL, but apparently it allows mirroring without external power, and it apparently also supports OTG, so i guess it's basically a "better" version of MHL.
*coughs* http://xkcd.com/927/
It also has a pass-through USB port to allow it to be charged whilst being used. I wonder if it would allow it be a USB host and SlimPort at the same time.
Here's how I think it works after trying to research it. I could be wrong about some of this so don't take it as fact.
If your TV specifically has built-in SlimPort support, it means that when you connect your N4 to the TV using a SlimPort cable or adapter, the phone will actually be charged by the TV through the HDMI cable. If the TV doesn't support SlimPort directly, then the cable/adapter will still work, but it won't charge the phone, and as a result your N4 will lose battery over time. In that situation, you can connect a separate power cable (in the same way that MHL works) if you want to charge simultaneously.
more recent version of mhl should do usb OTG at the same time as Video
According to all knowledgeable Wikipedia... MHL can power devices too, so I don't see what's different between it and SlimPort.
The HDTV provides power to the connected device (5 V DC/500 mA with MHL 1.0, 5 V DC/900 mA with MHL 2.0).
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Slimport can also handle N4 --> DVI, VGA or Displayport
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
So can I use my MHL adapter?
slimport to hdmi converter
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So can I use my MHL adapter?
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can not use MHL adapter，they are different things。
we have producted slimport to hdmi converter，and work well。
MHL no worky with Nexus 4
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So can I use my MHL adapter?
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I just tried the MHL adapter that worked with my Galaxy Nexus, and it definitely doesn't work with my Nexus 4.
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I just tried the MHL adapter that worked with my Galaxy Nexus, and it definitely doesn't work with my Nexus 4.
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I just tried the slimport, which definitely doesn't work with my galaxy nexus.
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I just tried the slimport, which definitely doesn't work with my galaxy nexus.
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So the newer slimport adaptor is not "backwards compatible" to MHL?
Too bad... I just ordered a 2013 Nexus 7 and a slimport adaptor and I thought, perhaps this adaptor would work with my Xperia Z, too...
juste some new devices
look here http://www.slimportconnect.com/supported-devices/
Hi guys!
I know that USB type C can map to several devices (even VGA/HDMI).
How do we know which ones are supported?
I'd fancy buying a USB<->HDMI Adapter (smilar to the Slimport<>HDMI I have for my Nexus5).
Will it be supported?
It's not USB 3.1 so I don't know if all of those would still be supported.
In the reddit AMA the developers confirmed it would not have HDMI out. You could always mirror it with a chromecast though.
Then why USB Type-C if none of the goodies? Just for fast-charging and reversability?
Casting takes a lot of power and heat.
(Isn't losing video-out another downgrade?)
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Then why USB Type-C if none of the goodies? Just for fast-charging and reversability?
Casting takes a lot of power and heat.
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Well, quoting myself... Actually would the rendering at the device with dedicated hardware give up more heat than broadcasting via WiFi?
Which would take more power?
Allways believe that any kind of "air transmission" is quite power-consuming.
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Then why USB Type-C if none of the goodies? Just for fast-charging and reversability?
Casting takes a lot of power and heat.
(Isn't losing video-out another downgrade?)
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Yeah it is a downgrade. I never cared if a phone could stream HDMI before, but now that I'm seeing a 6P as way to carry a single device (no more tablet with HDMI + phone), it is disappointing. Plus, when I read about USB-C having so many capabilities, I was hoping the phone would include some of them instead of it just being a connector choice.
Strange choice leaving out the HDMI stuff etc. Don't understand it. I wonder if the 810 gets too hot outputting to HDMI.
I don't know if people would use stuff other than OTG or video-out. But it'd definitely be nice for some guys for other devices (even though most can be connected to OTG).
Ok... really just video-out
Casting generating less heat than rendering video... hmm..... no idea...
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I don't know if people would use stuff other than OTG or video-out. But it'd definitely be nice for some guys for other devices (even though most can be connected to OTG).
Ok... really just video-out
Casting generating less heat than rendering video... hmm..... no idea...
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If you have ever done presentations using a micro-usb to HDMI cable, you know that this puts a lot of stress on the connector. And having to drag a cable all over the place is an inconvenience. This is with a Nexus 7 (2013). For me, the presence of WiFi Direct and hence Miracast is far more important. I find that with the Nexus 7 at least, Miracast works perfectly. I use an Actiontec Screenbeam Mini2 as a dongle. I am anticipatinf that the Nexus 6p will work as well, but we will see.
why do you want a big cable connect to your tv/monitor?
I imagine Google want you to use their Chromecast ?
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I imagine Google want you to use their Chromecast ?
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Yep, Google wants a wireless world.... Minus charging... Lol
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Yep, Google wants a wireless world.... Minus charging... Lol
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Yeah, I LOL'd. In public. For no apparent reason. Thanks.
ScreenBeam Mini2 & Nexus 6P
Please let us know if it works.
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If you have ever done presentations using a micro-usb to HDMI cable, you know that this puts a lot of stress on the connector. And having to drag a cable all over the place is an inconvenience. This is with a Nexus 7 (2013). For me, the presence of WiFi Direct and hence Miracast is far more important. I find that with the Nexus 7 at least, Miracast works perfectly. I use an Actiontec Screenbeam Mini2 as a dongle. I am anticipatinf that the Nexus 6p will work as well, but we will see.
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why do you want a big cable connect to your tv/monitor?
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I don't think anyone wants the cable, per se. It is plug-n-play that we want. How do you go to a friend's house, hotel, couch-surfing, etc., and watch a movie that is on your Nexus 6P (on whatever televion is available).