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My nexus takes a beating by Incredible at verizon!

Not exactly....
But had 30 minutes to compare.
Cleared cache and rebooted my nexus...had full signal in the store.
Well on good....screen Res seemed richer on the nexus. Close-up revealed finer contrast than incredible.
Incredible just flew...app to app and thru menu items tho... significantly faster than nexus.
(I'm on Desire remix rom btw).
Browser to browser: interesting: speedtests: nexus consistantly 2500kbps...incredible: 1200.
But on graphic heavy sites incredible was marginally faster most of the time. Nexus has initial lag connecting then was faster.....Incredible seemed to have none of that initial lag. Don't know what that means. (I have under 25 Apps installed).
Camera shots were actually fairly similar....incredible was better by a bit.
I like the feel of the incredible better much more secure due to that 'race car' back.
The gallery and music apps are really nice.
So ...I think we're oneupped out of the box a bit....
We'll see if folks mod it to any degree.

You can really compare a ported rom to a rom built specifically for a device.

rockky said:
So ...I think we're oneupped out of the box a bit....
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Honestly dude after reading your post it sounded like the Nexus One came out on top by hair...

Yeah....not really a valid comparison.

Apples to oranges. Different network, one is a near virgin unit and your N1 is loaded up with apps & data, you can clear all the cache you want but there are still background tasks.

but even given all of that it still sounded to me like the Nexus wONE

rockky said:
Incredible just flew...app to app and thru menu items tho... significantly faster than nexus.
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I dunno dude, if my app flicking was any smoother, my Nexus would start signing Barry White.
rockky said:
Browser to browser: interesting: speedtests: nexus consistantly 2500kbps...incredible: 1200.
But on graphic heavy sites incredible was marginally faster most of the time. Nexus has initial lag connecting then was faster.....Incredible seemed to have none of that initial lag. Don't know what that means. (I have under 25 Apps installed).
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Isn't Incredible on Verizon and N1 on TMo/ATT? It's the provider.

I didnt see where or if you mentioned whether or not you were using stock with the pathetic ram or a custom with appropriate ram use. But not only does the incredible have more ram, it probably actually uses a lot of it unlike the nexus. maybe after an update the nexus will be just as quick.

I was at first going to call the OP retarded for this horrible comparison. Instead though, I will just say - flash Cyanogen, and you will see which one is fastest.
And then say more.
These Desire ROMs are just horrible on the Nexus, and offer a very noticeable speed difference from stock or any other non-Desire ROM. That's why when Froyo is released, I will stay off of them for a while. Not to mention your using Manup's.. its based from one of Paul's old builds, Alpha 10 I believe.. can't remember.
I'm positive though regardless, the Nexus on its native Android version or updates in the future are up to par or faster than the Incredible. Don't spread a bad name please, it really urks me when people inform people of false information. Or non valid and a long stretch from the truth accusations.

DMaverick50 said:
I didnt see where or if you mentioned whether or not you were using stock with the pathetic ram or a custom with appropriate ram use. But not only does the incredible have more ram, it probably actually uses a lot of it unlike the nexus. maybe after an update the nexus will be just as quick.
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The 2 phones have the same amount of ram..

compare a stock nexus one with a stock incredible.
idiot

Port your mother....maybe she'll finally produce someone with manners...hey....always a shot!
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compare a stock nexus one with a stock incredible.
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Horrible topic... sounds like nexus won too me too...lol
Wierd

rockky said:
Not exactly....
But had 30 minutes to compare.
Cleared cache and rebooted my nexus...had full signal in the store.
Well on good....screen Res seemed richer on the nexus. Close-up revealed finer contrast than incredible.
Incredible just flew...app to app and thru menu items tho... significantly faster than nexus.
(I'm on Desire remix rom btw).
Browser to browser: interesting: speedtests: nexus consistantly 2500kbps...incredible: 1200.
But on graphic heavy sites incredible was marginally faster most of the time. Nexus has initial lag connecting then was faster.....Incredible seemed to have none of that initial lag. Don't know what that means. (I have under 25 Apps installed).
Camera shots were actually fairly similar....incredible was better by a bit.
I like the feel of the incredible better much more secure due to that 'race car' back.
The gallery and music apps are really nice.
So ...I think we're oneupped out of the box a bit....
We'll see if folks mod it to any degree.
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It's not a fair comparison because the Incredible is running Sense UI written for the Incredible.
The N1's ROM is a hack job.
And the Desire's kernel hasn't been released yet, which is the reason for the any lag you might experience on the N1.

As it's been said, there are a number of different factors that will influence a comparison like this, probably most notably the difference between a beta ROM and one built and polished for one specific phone.
But who cares? Same team guys. It's all Android and that's what counts.

j.bruha said:
As it's been said, there are a number of different factors that will influence a comparison like this, probably most notably the difference between a beta ROM and one built and polished for one specific phone.
But who cares? Same team guys. It's all Android and that's what counts.
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Indeed. I'll gladly let the Incredible be the #1 phone if it sales 1 million+ phones fast and gets the market growing even faster like the original droid did

rockky said:
Camera shots were actually fairly similar....incredible was better by a bit.
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Could you elaborate more on this? I'm interested in seeing how the 8MP camera is compared to the 5MP on the Nexus One...

The only reason the Incredible "seems" faster loading apps and such is because SenseUI doesn't have the animated window transitions. Turn them off in spare parts (like I have) and it's just as responsive, if not more.

androidlicious said:
Could you elaborate more on this? I'm interested in seeing how the 8MP camera is compared to the 5MP on the Nexus One...
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Looking at a 8MP at normal 100% and a 5MP 100% they will look the same I believe. If you zoom in or look at one at its full resolution, you will see the difference. Since both phones are using the same screen size and resolution, any difference will be unnoticeable I believe.
I have photos from my girlfriends 12MP camera and had added them to my Nexus One SDcard. Since they get sized to fit my N1 screen, I never noticed a difference in detail unless I zoomed in.

Sistum Id said:
Looking at a 8MP at normal 100% and a 5MP 100% they will look the same I believe. If you zoom in or look at one at its full resolution, you will see the difference. Since both phones are using the same screen size and resolution, any difference will be unnoticeable I believe.
I have photos from my girlfriends 12MP camera and had added them to my Nexus One SDcard. Since they get sized to fit my N1 screen, I never noticed a difference in detail unless I zoomed in.
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Ah, I see. I just thought that the Incredible's photos would be more crisp and detailed, considering the higher resolution. But I love the camera on the N1 and I use it a lot, so I can't complain.

Nexus 4 Input Lag

Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.

You'll get a real answer when the phone comes out. Or check video reviews. We know as much as you do at this point.

Thanks for the answers enviii and ralexand!
The thing is, this input lag issue is very rarely adressed. It seems to me as if most poeple dont even notice it. It may be that im kinda picky there but its definitely a very important feature for me...

As the device has been released I would appreciate someone talking about the mentioned issue, who actually posseses the phone.

enviii said:
It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.
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lol... that's just not true. It helps viewing angles, but has absolutely no effect on responsiveness.

The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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gulbir101 said:
The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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Well for me the scale is definitely the iphone. (even still the 3G when scrolling homescreens) Also top notch Windows Phones offer very good responsiveness.

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.

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iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)

Also iOS is more optimized since its on for few devices.
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actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..

joedoe said:
I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.
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I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
tgtoys said:
iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)
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ferozfero said:
actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..
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Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know

schnip said:
I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know
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I have a Nexus S (awaiting a 16GB N4) and I can tell you that Jellybean offered a tremendous improvement in smoothness.
As for the lack of improvement with the S3 and Jelly Bean, do keep in mind that is not "stock" Jellybean, Samsung may have avoided using any of the "project butter" code for their own GPU rendering.. Only Nexus devices are guaranteed the advertised improvements listed by Google, once an OEM touches there's no guarantee.

Only the framerate is high. There is MASSIVE input lag of 100-200ms on every Android device. As evidenced in every video of the Nexus 4 the screen lags behind your finger by 1 inch or more when swiping. This makes it feel extremely sluggish and unresponsive in apps like Facebook and games like Canabalt are unplayable.

I noticed this too when I first started messing around with my N4.
A test I like to do is use the calculator, and see how many numbers I could hit before they would be highlighted (which I assume means the device starts registering the command). For some reason I was getting 2 (almost 3) punches before the device would see it. On my Wildfire S and my iPod Touch the input lag was never this bad.
Amazingly, I actually found a solution. I don't remember if I turned it on myself or if it came on by default, but my phone had the "Magnification gestures" on. You can find them in the "Accessibility" settings. I turned it off, and BAM! The input lag has practically disappeared. I don't know why it was doing that or how it's related, but this has effectively fixed it for me. There may still be a slight input lag, but it's small enough that I can ignore it. Before it was easily over 500 ms.
Hope this helps.

I've made sure that's off on every Android device I've tested. The input lag is still considerably worse than the iPhone.

LG must use thermal compound

Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?

Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease

bachera said:
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.

Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
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bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?

mgolder said:
Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.

bachera said:
but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.

The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...

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Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/

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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.

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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time

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And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.

lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow

ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.

People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....

bachera said:
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
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People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075

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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.

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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1

S7 Edge - scrolling behaviour

Given the reports of lag and stutter persisting in this new line of Galaxy devices, it would be great to see some evidence of it.
I made a similar thread last year for the Note 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/note-5-scrolling-behaviour-t3195672
Please upload screenshots of your S7E with Profile GPU rendering in the Developer options enabled to see the performance and smoothness of this device!

Willyman said:
Given the reports of lag and stutter persisting in this new line of Galaxy devices, it would be great to see some evidence of it.
I made a similar thread last year for the Note 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/note-5-scrolling-behaviour-t3195672
Please upload screenshots of your S7E with Profile GPU rendering in the Developer options enabled to see the performance and smoothness of this device!
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What exactly are these bars show me? Higher is better or worse?

Xileforce said:
What exactly are these bars show me? Higher is better or worse?
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There is a horizontal line which is the 60 fps limit (i.e. the limit for a stutter free UI experience). If the bars stay under this line, all is good. If they shoot over it, it can be perceived as stutter. An occasional spike is not too bad, but when you have a lot of spikes it definitely correlates with stuttering in the UI.
You can see in my graphs that my trusty OnePlus One offers a much smoother UI experience than my Note 5. Was wondering if the new line-up is better in any way. Based on the XDA article I don't have high hopes...

If you're having problems with UI turn on GPU acceleration and see if that helps.

Just a few screens, both were taken after scrolling around several times. It's kind of odd because it seemed like every time I stopped scrolling it would spike once it stopped. Probably fine. I also should note that those bars actually seemed to reduce performance in a few areas, such as when using keyboard. It would probably be more accurate to use the adb method so the GPU isn't drawing all of the graphs ontop of the ui. Ty for telling me about this though. Will probably come in handy for testing kernel changes in real-time.

@Xileforce Can you try in some apps? Main culprits before were YouTube and app store.

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@Xileforce Can you try in some apps? Main culprits before were YouTube and app store.
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Here ya go. Tho I must say idk what it is, but the homepage of the playstore hasn't scrolled super smooth for me on a single device.

The playstore doesnt cache thatz why it will lag on every device
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What exactly are these bars show me? Higher is better or worse?
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Here ya go. Tho I must say idk what it is, but the homepage of the playstore hasn't scrolled super smooth for me on a single device.
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That looks encouraging! So in your experience, are large spikes (that reach up to the top of the phone almost) rare?

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That looks encouraging! So in your experience, are large spikes (that reach up to the top of the phone almost) rare?
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The only time I saw huge spikes was usually right when launching an app or when scrolling for the first time on play store while the stuff was still loading.

Dude why isn't this function more talked about???? This should be part of every reviewers set of tools when reviewing new phones! Why in the world isn't it?? This is the very first time I've seen this little utility and I've been on android since the beginning LOL...wow. This also offers freaking objective evidence on something that has always been a subjective measurement that a lot of Samsung die-hards simply don't want to admit exists. I just ran this on my verizon S6 still on 5.1.1 and I'm sure you can imagine the horror...from what the above poster put up it would appear things are possibly improving with the S7 but one could take a screen cap at a good moment and miss some of the spikes.
I'm not sure if using this measurement tool has me more excited or more mad about what samsung offers as flagship material but it at least gives me a baseline for comparison now, thanks man! I'll be running this like crazy when my S7E comes in and will definitely update with my results.

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That looks encouraging! So in your experience, are large spikes (that reach up to the top of the phone almost) rare?
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Here are real live footage. Watch in 60 frames . https://youtu.be/603aSxZQxN4
https://youtu.be/EySs3pWnuoI
https://youtu.be/hq4exPxLSrY

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Dude why isn't this function more talked about???? This should be part of every reviewers set of tools when reviewing new phones! Why in the world isn't it?? This is the very first time I've seen this little utility and I've been on android since the beginning LOL...wow. This also offers freaking objective evidence on something that has always been a subjective measurement that a lot of Samsung die-hards simply don't want to admit exists. I just ran this on my verizon S6 still on 5.1.1 and I'm sure you can imagine the horror...from what the above poster put up it would appear things are possibly improving with the S7 but one could take a screen cap at a good moment and miss some of the spikes.
I'm not sure if using this measurement tool has me more excited or more mad about what samsung offers as flagship material but it at least gives me a baseline for comparison now, thanks man! I'll be running this like crazy when my S7E comes in and will definitely update with my results.
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It can drive you mad though In the beginning with my Note 5 the frame dropping was really bugging me, cause my previous device had been super smooth (OnePlus One). This function just rubs it in
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Here are real live footage. Watch in 60 frames . https://youtu.be/603aSxZQxN4
https://youtu.be/EySs3pWnuoI
https://youtu.be/hq4exPxLSrY
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Dat Facebook scroll :silly::victory: Looking good!

About G6 vs. OP5

So I'm deciding between the OP5 & the G6 and I'm wondering how fluid is scrolling on the G6, this is a topic the reviewers don't cover. There are app opening speed tests & web page load tests & game tests, but I'm mainly interested in how smooth is the navigation & scrolling in the official reddit app & web browsing. (this is an area my P9 is an epic fail at with plenty of micro stutter)
Also I've seen many 1080p samples on Youtube & they look like crap & the 4k recording is okay, but it seems jittery sometimes. Is there a third party video app that can improve upon this? Is video recording a strength or a weakness of the phone, thoughts?

Video recording is very nice! Scrolling is smoother than all of my older devices like the Moto X Pure, Nexus 5X and OnePlus 3..

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So I'm deciding between the OP5 & the G6 and I'm wondering how fluid is scrolling on the G6, this is a topic the reviewers don't cover. There are app opening speed tests & web page load tests & game tests, but I'm mainly interested in how smooth is the navigation & scrolling in the official reddit app & web browsing. (this is an area my P9 is an epic fail at with plenty of micro stutter)
Also I've seen many 1080p samples on Youtube & they look like crap & the 4k recording is okay, but it seems jittery sometimes. Is there a third party video app that can improve upon this? Is video recording a strength or a weakness of the phone, thoughts?
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I'll put it this way. If you care about latest and greatest specifications and near stock android experience, go with one plus 5. However, if you care about quality hardware, taking quality pictures, expandable storage and consume entertainment on your phone largely, go with LG g6. At the end of the day, you can't go wrong with either of them. Both of them are great phones. I own a LG g6 and I'm more than happy with it.
I hope this helps you.

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I'll put it this way. If you care about latest and greatest specifications and near stock android experience, go with one plus 5. However, if you care about quality hardware, taking quality pictures, expandable storage and consume entertainment on your phone largely, go with LG g6. At the end of the day, you can't go wrong with either of them. Both of them are great phones. I own a LG g6 and I'm more than happy with it.
I hope this helps you.
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I don't give a F about specs and I'm well aware of how the snapdragon 821 should be 90% of what the 835 is outside of gaming scenarios. I just don't want to lag in my reddit app, because reading reddit is one of my fav. activities & this is laggy on my Huawei p9, which does have a comparably powerful processor, chrome is also terribly laggy on the p9. I'm chiefly curious about LG's software optimization.

Gabbbbbbb said:
I don't give a F about specs and I'm well aware of how the snapdragon 821 should be 90% of what the 835 is outside of gaming scenarios. I just don't want to lag in my reddit app, because reading reddit is one of my fav. activities & this is laggy on my Huawei p9, which does have a comparably powerful processor, chrome is also terribly laggy on the p9. I'm chiefly curious about LG's software optimization.
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Want to take it down a notch.
Person was trying to be helpful.
I don't have any issues with Chrome Beta, I don't use Reddit.
I don't notice any slowdown, lag or stuttering.
The unlocked LG G6 is currently $449 from B&H.

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Want to take it down a notch.
Person was trying to be helpful.
I don't have any issues with Chrome Beta, I don't use Reddit.
I don't notice any slowdown, lag or stuttering.
The unlocked LG G6 is currently $449 from B&H.
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I'm sorry, I did not mean to be rude and thank you!

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I don't give a F about specs and I'm well aware of how the snapdragon 821 should be 90% of what the 835 is outside of gaming scenarios. I just don't want to lag in my reddit app, because reading reddit is one of my fav. activities & this is laggy on my Huawei p9, which does have a comparably powerful processor, chrome is also terribly laggy on the p9. I'm chiefly curious about LG's software optimization.
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In all honesty, I prefer stock android but had to compromise for extra storage. Anyway, I think LG g6 and one plus 5 both are more than capable of handling intensive tasks. Let it be Reddit or any other task like that. Both of them will deal with it like a champ.

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In all honesty, I prefer stock android but had to compromise for extra storage. Anyway, I think LG g6 and one plus 5 both are more than capable of handling intensive tasks. So, let it be Reddit or any other task like that. Both of them will deal with it like a champ.
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Thank you!
I like stock android too, but seeing the g6's ui, I think it's fine. The most common UI elemens appear to be using material design. (status bar, notifification bar, app switcher and I don't go into settings very often after the initial setup)
By the way, how is the standby battery drain on the G6?

The standby battery consumption is well optimized. Between 2-3 per cent during the night. I have wifi or data on and do not disturb mode. Stuff syncs, but does not wake me up .
Also, I don't like LG keyboard, so I used Swiftkey on my H870 EU G6 and it introduced lag. Switched to Gboard and voila, much smoother.
Otherwise, battery life is unremarkable after Huawei Mate 9, though it had own problems.

Settings/Developer Options/ tick on "Force GPU Rendering" should make the beast smoother/snappier. If you are rooted, use a custom kernel for smoother optimized performance.

Gabbbbbbb said:
Thank you!
I like stock android too, but seeing the g6's ui, I think it's fine. The most common UI elemens appear to be using material design. (status bar, notifification bar, app switcher and I don't go into settings very often after the initial setup)
By the way, how is the standby battery drain on the G6?
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You're welcome.
I get around 4 to 5 hours of screen on time with heavy usage and if the usage is light to medium, it easily gets me through the day. In a nutshell, I'd say it's good enough for a casual user.