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[Q] Optimal way to root G900F? Sticky suggests using rootkit; is Towelroot better?

Just got a new S5 and I've been out of the scene for a while.
Can someone point me in the direction of some up to date info/guide? I've been scouring xda for 30 mins now and can't figure out the best way to get Recovery and Root.
Bonus question: I've read that using a rootkit irreversibly increases a counter from 0x0 to 0x1 whereas TowelRoot does not. Is this true?

check your kernel version first. if its date is lower than 3rd June then TowelRoot will not trigger KNOX. but if its later than 3rd June any method used to root will trigger KNOX to 0x1
Custom kernel and recovery are out of the question. They will trigger KNOX no matter whatever you do as of now.

wajiman said:
check your kernel version first. if its date is lower than 3rd June then TowelRoot will not trigger KNOX. but if its later than 3rd June any method used to root will trigger KNOX to 0x1
Custom kernel and recovery are out of the question. They will trigger KNOX no matter whatever you do as of now.
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Thursday May 8th. Does this mean I should go with TowelRoot? Or are you saying it doesn't matter as I intend to enable recovery anyway?

kelevra7 said:
Thursday May 8th. Does this mean I should go with TowelRoot? Or are you saying it doesn't matter as I intend to enable recovery anyway?
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you can use towelroot, knox wont be tripped as the kernel version is less than 3rd june.
but if you flash custom recovery or kernel knox will get tripped as of now. And as you intend to enable recovery anyway, so it means you are willing to get knox tirpped hence you can use any way to root

I can confirm that towelroot will not trip knox on G900F.
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wajiman said:
you can use towelroot, knox wont be tripped as the kernel version is less than 3rd june.
but if you flash custom recovery or kernel knox will get tripped as of now. And as you intend to enable recovery anyway, so it means you are willing to get knox tirpped hence you can use any way to root
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Thanks for the clarification. So I'm now going to install TowelRoot, and then install TWRP from the play store. You're saying that it is only after I install TWRP that KNOX will get tripped? Even though TWRP is now official (in the play store)?
Have I got the order right?

kelevra7 said:
Thanks for the clarification. So I'm now going to install TowelRoot, and then install TWRP from the play store. You're saying that it is only after I install TWRP that KNOX will get tripped? Even though TWRP is now official (in the play store)?
Have I got the order right?
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Yup, all non stock stuff like custom recovery`s and kernels will trip KNOX to 0x1 permanantly if flashed with (Mobile) Odin.

kelevra7 said:
Thanks for the clarification. So I'm now going to install TowelRoot, and then install TWRP from the play store. You're saying that it is only after I install TWRP that KNOX will get tripped? Even though TWRP is now official (in the play store)?
Have I got the order right?
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AFAIK yes

gee2012 said:
Yup, all non stock stuff like custom recovery`s and kernels will trip KNOX to 0x1 permanantly if flashed with (Mobile) Odin.
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Aaaah. That makes sense. I've just seen that in SuperSU I can disable KNOX. If I do that, install CM11 and reenable KNOX will it still show 0x1?
Would you also mind confirming that I've got the right idea about what comes next:
1. Install towelroot.
2. Install SuperSU.
3. Update SU binaries (disabling KNOX in the process).
4. Install TWRP from Playstore
5. Flash CM11
Do I need to back up my EFS partition first or will this be covered by restoring to Stock ROM (should I need to do so)?
Also this process means I don't even need Odin. Is this correct?!

kelevra7 said:
Aaaah. That makes sense. I've just seen that in SuperSU I can disable KNOX. If I do that, install CM11 and reenable KNOX will it still show 0x1?
Would you also mind confirming that I've got the right idea about what comes next:
1. Install towelroot.
2. Install SuperSU.
3. Update SU binaries (disabling KNOX in the process).
4. Install TWRP from Playstore
5. Flash CM11
Do I need to back up my EFS partition first or will this be covered by restoring to Stock ROM (should I need to do so)?
Also this process means I don't even need Odin. Is this correct?!
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Step 4 will always trip KNOX unfortunately. If you only root like with steps 1 to 3 on roms with kernels build before june 3rd KNOX will remain 0x0. You simply cannot flash custom recovery`s without tripping KNOX (it will remain active and detect security breaches).

gee2012 said:
Step 4 will always trip KNOX unfortunately. If you only root like steps 1 to 3 on roms with kernels build before june 3rd KNOX will remain 0x0. You simply cannot flash custom recovery`s without tripping KNOX (it will remain active and detect security breaches).
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I see. So there is no way to maintain my warranty if I want to install a custom ROM? Shall I go ahead and disable KNOX through SuperSU?

kelevra7 said:
I see. So there is no way to maintain my warranty if I want to install a custom ROM? Shall I go ahead and disable KNOX through SuperSU?
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Look here for a KNOX explanation (different levels) http://omegadroid.co/wanted-knox-void-warranty-0x1/. You can root your decice with TR and disable KNOX notifications showing up and still keep warranty. Flashing custom recovery`s will trip KNOX.
Warranty is also region dependent, for instance rooting a device in the EU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801 doesn`t void warranty by law. Look how rooting is handled in your region.

gee2012 said:
Look here for a KNOX explanation (different levels) http://omegadroid.co/wanted-knox-void-warranty-0x1/. You can root your decice with TR and disable KNOX notifications showing up and still keep warranty. Flashing custom recovery`s will trip KNOX.
Warranty is also region dependent, for instance rooting a device in the EU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801 doesn`t void warranty by law. Look how rooting is handled in your region.
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Thanks this is a great link. Very helpful. I have subsequently 'disabled' KNOX through SuperSU even though I'm doubtful this will really do anything with regard to my warranty. I'm already set on flashing a custom ROM so flashing TWRP is a must for me.
P.S. I've only just realised CM11 isn't available for the S5. Can you recommend any custom ROMS other than Omega and Alliance? What do you use?

[Q] How to flash TWRP recovery without tripping KNOX on Mexican SM-N900W8 ?

Hi all,
I really miss and need my TWRP fix on my Mexican Note 3! Any way to flash TWRP without tripping Knox? I am already rooted using TowelRoot, and am running 4.4.2 stock.
Thanks!

any castom recovery will tripping your Knox

Yom said:
Hi all,
I really miss and need my TWRP fix on my Mexican Note 3! Any way to flash TWRP without tripping Knox? I am already rooted using TowelRoot, and am running 4.4.2 stock.
Thanks!
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Try cutting out the refried beans. Lol, don't think it's possible, flashing a custom recovery in order to install TWRP will trip Knox. Until that's figured out we will have to deal with Knox.
Pp.

Yom said:
Hi all,
I really miss and need my TWRP fix on my Mexican Note 3! Any way to flash TWRP without tripping Knox? I am already rooted using TowelRoot, and am running 4.4.2 stock.
Thanks!
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There have been traces where you COULD avoid tripping KNOX on the N900W8 mexican, there have been reports on my thread and N900W8 threads where Mexican users flashed nicely.
Remember Me? said:
any castom recovery will tripping your Knox
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Do you know this for sure? I have custom recovery on my Canadian N900W8 and KNOX is 0x0. With custom kernel and custom ROM.
Learn the hardware before you post a definitive answer.
PanchoPlanet said:
Try cutting out the refried beans. Lol, don't think it's possible, flashing a custom recovery in order to install TWRP will trip Knox. Until that's figured out we will have to deal with Knox.
Pp.
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^^
"Learn the hardware before you post a definitive answer."

[Q] Flashing a custom rom without tripping KNOX

I have successfully rooted my GS4 and I now want to flash custom roms. By flashing them will knox be tripped? If so how do I flash a rom without tripping it?

nowayjose93 said:
I have successfully rooted my GS4 and I now want to flash custom roms. By flashing them will knox be tripped? If so how do I flash a rom without tripping it?
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If you used CF-Auto-Root, you've already tripped the Knox flag. That's mentioned in its thread in the development forum.

nobody291 said:
If you used CF-Auto-Root, you've already tripped the Knox flag. That's mentioned in its thread in the development forum.
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Welp nevermind I guess it did get tripped. So does it matter now if I put a custom rom on my sprint gs4?

nowayjose93 said:
So does it matter now if I put a custom rom on my sprint gs4?
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Not as far as the warranty is concerned. Find something you like and give it a try!

can i install twrp recovery without tripping knox?

i rooted my device using towelroot. the knox counter still shows 0x0.
is there any way to install twrp recovery without tripping knox?
cheers experts
edit: (so that i can backup my stock rom) yes, i know i can reflash stock rom without tripping knox, but want to try the non-knox tripping instructions to flash custom rom, having a complete backup before i do

would it be possible to use this app to install twrp without tripping knox?

Hi,
Installing anything "Custom" , will trip the knox counter

malybru said:
Hi,
Installing anything "Custom" , will trip the knox counter
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Well on the i9505, few TW based custom roms dont trip knox
But yeah any custom recovery or kernel will trip knox
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New here, how to root?

Hey guys, im new here. coming from a nexus 4.
What i should know before i root my s5 ? I heard something about knox, what is this, it's likea bootloader or something like i must get rid of before rooting my device and installing roms ?

Read a few threads, everything you're asking has been posted thousands of times over

*Detection* said:
Read a few threads, everything you're asking has been posted thousands of times over
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I read about root, but can't find infos about knox.
Just use cf auto root and odex, that's it ?

KNOX is Samsungs way of voiding your warranty, when their hardware is at fault, but you have flashed something custom
0x0 = valid
0x1 = void
Soon as you flash anything custom, 0x1 - and it's irreversible
If you don't care, root using CF Auto Root and ODIN
Or TWRP 2.8.7.0 & ODIN, then SuperSU zip from TWRP recovery
Like I say, everything is posted thousands of times over, if you'd checked the thread below this one, you'd have known what KNOX was
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help/rom-opt-t3188679

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KNOX is Samsungs way of voiding your warranty, when their hardware is at fault, but you have flashed something custom
0x0 = valid
0x1 = void
Soon as you flash anything custom, 0x1 - and it's irreversible
If you don't care, root using CF Auto Root and ODIN
Or TWRP 2.8.7.0 & ODIN, then SuperSU zip from TWRP recovery
Like I say, everything is posted thousands of times over, if you'd checked the thread below this one, you'd have known what KNOX was
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help/rom-opt-t3188679
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So there is no way to root without loosing knox/warranty?

If you have a pre June 2014 KitKat ROM running, you can root using Towelroot app, then upgrade to Lollipop using Flashfire to keep root / not trip KNOX
That's the only other method

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If you have a pre June 2014 KitKat ROM running, you can root using Towelroot app, then upgrade to Lollipop using Flashfire to keep root / not trip KNOX
That's the only other method
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Can i downgrade to that kitkat and root on lollipop without loosing knox ?

RootNightmareX said:
Can i downgrade to that kitkat and root on lollipop without loosing knox ?
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Yup, sammobile .com and ODIN - instructions under the download in the firmware section

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Yup, sammobile .com and ODIN - instructions under the download in the firmware section
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So i must do this to be sure i don't trip knox: downgrade to kitkat (and i will not lose knox) and then root and then update to lolipop and my warranty is still there (knox 0x0) ?

RootNightmareX said:
So i must do this to be sure i don't trip knox: downgrade to kitkat (and i will not lose knox) and then root and then update to lolipop and my warranty is still there (knox 0x0) ?
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Flashing a stock Samsung ROM will not trip KNOX, so you're safe to flash any stock ROM without worrying about KNOX, KNOX is only tripped by flashing custom stuff not signed by Samsung
But to upgrade to Lollipop without losing root or tripping KNOX, you have to use Flashfire after running Towelroot on KK, otherwise you'll lose root, and then have no other options than flashing back to KK or tripping KNOX by using CF Auto Root

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Flashing a stock Samsung ROM will not trip KNOX, so you're safe to flash any stock ROM without worrying about KNOX, KNOX is only tripped by flashing custom stuff not signed by Samsung
But to upgrade to Lollipop without losing root or tripping KNOX, you have to use Flashfire after running Towelroot on KK, otherwise you'll lose root, and then have no other options than flashing back to KK or tripping KNOX by using CF Auto Root
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And if i root from kitkat, can i flash custom recovery and flash custom roms without tripping knox ?