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No Hands On Reviews?

Outside of the Wirefly unboxing video, I'm surprised that that none of the tech blogs (i.e. Phandroid, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc..) have been sent units for review prior to launch. I'm curious if this to avoid any potentially negative reviews?

I can't help but wonder if this is due to the fact that development is really coming down to the wire. It looks like the hardware has been done for a while, but both Honeycomb and Flash seem to be coming down to the last moment, and it looks like Flash was booted. I'm guessing that review units weren't sent to reviewers earlier was because the software wasn't as finalized as everyone wanted.
The Atrix, on the other hand, not only made it to reviewers early, but it was released early as well, so I don't think that Motorola is afraid of the media.

It could be that, or it could be because Motorola is trying to get this thing out the door the INSTANT it is ready to get some initial sales in before the iPad2 is announced March 2.

You're not very smart if you think review sites haven't had the xoom for at least a week or more.
The release is tomorrow...expect the nda to expire tonight or tomorrow and reviews to pop up immediately after that.
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Xevilious said:
I can't help but wonder if this is due to the fact that development is really coming down to the wire. It looks like the hardware has been done for a while, but both Honeycomb and Flash seem to be coming down to the last moment, and it looks like Flash was booted. I'm guessing that review units weren't sent to reviewers earlier was because the software wasn't as finalized as everyone wanted.
The Atrix, on the other hand, not only made it to reviewers early, but it was released early as well, so I don't think that Motorola is afraid of the media.
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I agree and since the full Android 3.0 SDK has been released I think review units are on the way or soon on the way. I doubt the reviews have anything to do with Ipad2 coming up. I think the wifi model will probably be the answer and thats why I think that moto is holding out.

Im a part of the media base. Motorola's PR team told me that they don't have any review units yet. This has to be a first.
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Xevilious said:
I can't help but wonder if this is due to the fact that development is really coming down to the wire. It looks like the hardware has been done for a while, but both Honeycomb and Flash seem to be coming down to the last moment, and it looks like Flash was booted. I'm guessing that review units weren't sent to reviewers earlier was because the software wasn't as finalized as everyone wanted.
The Atrix, on the other hand, not only made it to reviewers early, but it was released early as well, so I don't think that Motorola is afraid of the media.
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With regards to the last minute stuff, that's more or less what I was thinking. I suppose there is a chance we will some some reviews later this afternoon / this evening.
This whole launch really has been a debacle. Too many leaks and last minute omissions(no Flash)...just so much uncertainty and not in a positive way. Although the unlocked bootloader news is HUGE.
1 more day...1 more day.

Bauxite said:
You're not very smart if you think review sites haven't had the xoom for at least a week or more.
The release is tomorrow...expect the nda to expire tonight or tomorrow and reviews to pop up immediately after that.
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Wouldn't you want positive reviews out a few days before to stir up buzz and jump start sales? As was mentioned above with the Atrix. Most tech stuff gets reviewed a few days before to generate positive headlines. Even Apple products get rerviewed early by Wall Mosspuppet and David Pogue...

djunio said:
Im a part of the media base. Motorola's PR team told me that they don't have any review units yet. This has to be a first.
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Gearlive has a picture of thiers, they got it yesterday.
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Gearlive has a picture of thiers, they got it yesterday.
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Not exactly where you would expect initial reviews to come from, lol. You'd think it would be from one of the big boys.

And looks it like it starts...
http://www.building43.com/videos/2011/02/23/motorola-xoom-review/
Google Alerts just sent me an email.

Haven't heard of them but I'll check. I haven't spoken with Motorola Mobility since Mon, I would contact them mow but what's the point?
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blozout said:
And looks it like it starts...
http://www.building43.com/videos/2011/02/23/motorola-xoom-review/
Google Alerts just sent me an email.
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the review is pretty crappy..

setite said:
the review is pretty crappy..
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totally, but it's the first.

setite said:
the review is pretty crappy..
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+1, I wouldn't call it a review but he does give some pretty decent comparisons.
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Apps will probably be a deciding factor for a few months. Since android has taken off, app development has boomed and with how Apple is handling in-app subscriptions, I think we will see devs heading towards other platforms.

i got to use a xoom for about 15 min today
ill give you my initial impressions
size is good, right where a tablet should be
it is heavy, enough to notice it
meaning the battery is good, it was on for almost two hours and at 77%
android 3.0 is awesome how its laid out
there is button on the left for tabs of running apps
on the right is any control / notification, much better than the shade
there is the redesigned market that is like the web version, so its much better
i use chrome on the computer, and it is now like that on 3.0 +++
and google video chat did work over 3G
it did degrade quality based on speeds but overall good
using it basically solidified me buying it tomorrow.

My GTablet get 10hrs of battery life easy. I would be shocked if the Xoom didn't as well.
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I wonder how fast heavy websites render compared to the iPad? I hate how slow it takes the iPad to fully load up a regular website like say, Engadget.. atleast 20-30 seconds! I'm hoping the Xoom feels more like a netbook, with a bit more snap and rendering speed. That would make web browser so much more fun and entertaining.

yeah it's the most important thing of a tablet.
my main use would be browsing the web too...
when i used it, i had 5 tabs open and could easily jump between them quickly (and other apps)

When will reviewers start receiving units?

At the moment there seems to be a serious lack of reviews. All of the available ones are usually short first impression videos from the unveiling. The only two actual video reviews (and they're honestly not that great) are from PhoneArena and GSMArena. Neither really go into depth, compare the S4 to competitors, or anything else that a potential buyer would want to see.
It's pretty clear that nobody has really received a review unit yet. Android Central would definitely be loud and proud if they had (and they'd also write a kick ass review on it). For some reason I thought I heard a March 29th date that reviewers would begin to receive them, but clearly that hasn't really happened. So does anyone have any idea when we can expect reviewers to receive these devices? My choice between the One and S4 essentially depend on them.
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Really not specific enough
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914.php
To me it seems lika a lot more then just first impressions, and it's been out for some time already as well. I'm quite certain, that they actually have the review unit, because of all the side-by-side photos taken in their office (matches their usual style), hands-on video that's not done ina a conference room, but in their own little studio and mostly because of the battery tests!! Almost 14h talk time + close to 9h browsing + over 10h video + the charging times in the meanwhile....doubt that they can do that during a short first encounter!!

alliktaavo said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914.php
To me it seems lika a lot more then just first impressions, and it's been out for some time already as well. I'm quite certain, that they actually have the review unit, because of all the side-by-side photos taken in their office (matches their usual style), hands-on video that's not done ina a conference room, but in their own little studio and mostly because of the battery tests!! Almost 14h talk time + close to 9h browsing + over 10h video + the charging times in the meanwhile....doubt that they can do that during a short first encounter!!
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In my OP I mentioned that it seemed like GSMArena had an S4 but then went on to say it didn't appear that anyone else does.
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jtc276 said:
In my OP I mentioned that it seemed like GSMArena had an S4 but then went on to say it didn't appear that anyone else does.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2203620

jtc276 said:
In my OP I mentioned that it seemed like GSMArena had an S4 but then went on to say it didn't appear that anyone else does.
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Sry, couldn't read it out then. only thing about GSMArena what I saw was that their review was not that great...I would disagree with that personally and form the rest of the OP pretty much all I could read out is summed up by your sentence:
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It's pretty clear that nobody has really received a review unit yet.
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Anyways, sry, but I still can't read that from your OP, but the link provided has a bucket-load of reviews and info and I'm sure there willl be more as time progresses!

alliktaavo said:
Sry, couldn't read it out then. only thing about GSMArena what I saw was that their review was not that great...I would disagree with that personally and form the rest of the OP pretty much all I could read out is summed up by your sentence:
Anyways, sry, but I still can't read that from your OP, but the link provided has a bucket-load of reviews and info and I'm sure there willl be more as time progresses!
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I'm not entirely sure why you can't understand what I was asking from my OP. It wasn't for existing review, but for a date that reviewers such as Android Central, Cnet, etc, will begin receiving units to review. Anyway, thanks for the link and I actually did read some of the reviews inside of it.
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jtc276 said:
I'm not entirely sure why you can't understand what I was asking from my OP. It wasn't for existing review, but for a date that reviewers such as Android Central, Cnet, etc, will begin receiving units to review. Anyway, thanks for the link and I actually did read some of the reviews inside of it.
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That much I understood, I was just trying to point out, that they (GSMArena) can't do such a review without a review unit, the russian sites as well.
Anyways my guess is, that all the people who were supposed to get review units got them and who didn't are just waiting for the retail units to do their reviews.

alliktaavo said:
That much I understood, I was just trying to point out, that they (GSMArena) can't do such a review without a review unit, the russian sites as well.
Anyways my guess is, that all the people who were supposed to get review units got them and who didn't are just waiting for the retail units to do their reviews.
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GSMArena and PhoneArena are proven to have received their units. Nobody else has. Android Central has specifically made remarks about waiting to get the S4 (they recently said it should be pretty soon). Reviewers definitely won't have to wait until they retail. Samsung wants positive press from popular review sites for people like us and the general consumers who rely on reviews to convince them to get "Device A" over "Device B."

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GSMArena and PhoneArena are proven to have received their units. Nobody else has. Android Central has specifically made remarks about waiting to get the S4 (they recently said it should be pretty soon). Reviewers definitely won't have to wait until they retail. Samsung wants positive press from popular review sites for people like us and the general consumers who rely on reviews to convince them to get "Device A" over "Device B."
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Ain't argueing with that
I just thought that they'd send out the review unit at the same time, unless they favor some sites over the others. Only thing to do now is to wait for others to get their units as well, and to get enough money to get myself one of these as well

T-minus one week until pre-orders on AT&T. The reviews have to be rolling out any day now...no?

Unboxing video on Youtube

OP has to really be pleased with their first unboxing video on Youtube. What an embarrassment for any company to have this as a first impression. Here is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePC7cISM7U

wilbarger said:
OP has to really be pleased with their first unboxing video on Youtube. What an embarrassment for any company to have this as a first impression. Here is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePC7cISM7U
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For a $1 I wouldn't complain.

TopazUser1 said:
For a $1 I wouldn't complain.
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The OP group must be really proud of their first impression they are making. They are gonna be the laughing stock across the internet. This launch has been a joke from the start. They will NEVER make it in this cut throat business since they have no business sense to fight back with.

Although I think the comments are a bit harsh. I do think they have valid points. Regardless if it costs these contest winners $1 or not. There moto is never settle. So I would assume this would also carry forward with how there products are packaged and shipped as well. Even from startups like BLU you get a much more polished package. The plastic screen protector that was hanging off the screen once the guy took the bubble wrap off was pretty embarrassing. You only get one chance to make a first impression. And if this is the impression oneplus wants to set its not a good one. The phone itself can only carry so much weight when it comes to polish. There was to be a level of delivery, distribution and packaging that give that all around professional feel.
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cas8180 said:
Although I think the comments are a bit harsh. I do think they have valid points. Regardless if it costs these contest winners $1 or not. There moto is never settle. So I would assume this would also carry forward with how there products are packaged and shipped as well. Even from startups like BLU you get a much more polished package. The plastic screen protector that was hanging off the screen once the guy took the bubble wrap off was pretty embarrassing. You only get one chance to make a first impression. And if this is the impression oneplus wants to set its not a good one. The phone itself can only carry so much weight when it comes to polish. There was to be a level of delivery, distribution and packaging that give that all around professional feel.
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I am in agreement with you on your comments. They are going to be skewered on sites like XDA. For the most part, the members around here are not a bunch of noobies and notice off the wall crap like this shipping fiasco.

I made my comment about this on the OP forum.
I don't care if it was $1 that unboxing is a bad 1st impression. IMO no reason to not have a decent packaging for your 1st 100 customers.
Even the screen protector didn't look to be on the screen very well.
I know it's a $300 device but after watching that I may just hold off for the Nexus 6.

Daps said:
I made my comment about this on the OP forum.
I don't care if it was $1 that unboxing is a bad 1st impression. IMO no reason to not have a decent packaging for your 1st 100 customers.
Even the screen protector didn't look to be on the screen very well.
I know it's a $300 device but after watching that I may just hold off for the Nexus 6.
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I also commented on their forums. In fact, I am surprised I haven't been banned like others have for expressing their conflicting opinions or questioning the methods used.

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I also commented on their forums. In fact, I am surprised I haven't been banned like others have for expressing their conflicting opinions or questioning the methods used.
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My enthusiasm has sort of slipped after seeing that boxing. I wonder what other corners were cut. I'm starting to wonder if they're sitting at the kitchen table and putting them together. I guess I'm thinking from a warranty stand point also
Hopefully we will start seeing some full reviews soon.

Daps said:
My enthusiasm has sort of slipped after seeing that boxing. I wonder what other corners were cut. I'm starting to wonder if they're sitting at the kitchen table and putting them together. I guess I'm thinking from a warranty stand point also
Hopefully we will start seeing some full reviews soon.
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Well, I think we have to throw out the first 100 reviews as these guys are not likely to admit that they got exactly what their $1 purchase is worth.

you guys did watch the video right? he said that oneplus said that this is how the smashers will get their devices, and theyll be sent the charger and the rest later since they are not ready. hopefully itll look like this when done -> http://www.gizchina.com/2014/04/28/...ng-pictures-revealed-bonus-64gb-model-images/

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Well, I think we have to throw out the first 100 reviews as these guys are not likely to admit that they got exactly what their $1 purchase is worth.
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I hate to admit it but that thought crossed my mind.
I think there's a Mod here who's getting one soon so that review should be better than some.
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you guys did watch the video right? he said that oneplus said that this is how the smashers will get their devices, and theyll be sent the charger and the rest later since they are not ready. hopefully itll look like this when done -> http://www.gizchina.com/2014/04/28/...ng-pictures-revealed-bonus-64gb-model-images/
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Yes I saw the video about getting the charger, headphones, etc at a later date and IMO it would be better to wait and ship them all together.
They knew and planned the contest. They should have had enough stuff for 100 units. For all we know these devices could be in house user devices.
If they're having problems with 100 chargers and accessories, what are they going to do about 100k+ potential buyers?
Bad first impression. To my knowledge nothing was posted previous saying this is how they would be shipped.

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you guys did watch the video right? he said that oneplus said that this is how the smashers will get their devices, and theyll be sent the charger and the rest later since they are not ready. hopefully itll look like this when done -> http://www.gizchina.com/2014/04/28/...ng-pictures-revealed-bonus-64gb-model-images/
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Yes, I did watch the video. Since they had some of this packaging, are you trying to tell me that they did not order more that the dozen or so that got sent out for reviews? This is totally idiotic on OP's part to do something like this. The forums are going nuts about their low quality packaging on the first shipments. How in the world do they think this will not destroy all their bravado about being a Flagship Killer. You can't ship crap like this out and not expect to lose all credibility that they have pompously built up. Absolutely incredible to me that these bozos did this. Sorry if you think that I am being harsh, but sometimes the truth hurts.

well, the first 100...
when the device will be ready for everyone will come with a nice box and everything... if you ask ... why i don't have a invite? the answer is: because you can't understand that this is not the final release, or package or the final battery life, or the final etc....
really stop.... this is a taste of the 1+1... just that, dont be saying "bad impression" if you cant handle this, then wait for 2 months(and buy the "final version")... really im very surprised, this kind of commentary in xda, why??
just wait...

They could have planned his contest a little better, but this doesn't affect how I feel about the phone. Your disappointment over this issue, which doesn't affect anyone other than the 100 that got the phone, just sounds like you're invested too heavily in the hype machine. I'm sure that OP had good intentions with getting these 100 phones to the winners asap since they do need a new phone after smashing their old one. Don't buy it this actually upsets you. It's one more invite for someone else.

Jesus christ.
Some of you people will dig and dig for literally any reason to hate this device. You'll get one soon enough and it'll be fine, just be patient.

This isn't unusual for an advance release. Of course they're usually sent to industry insiders, not end users, so they should have known the unwrapping would have ended up on YouTube. But I don't consider it some big scandal, everyone knows they're pre-release promotional items so the faux outrage seems a bit much.

New devices always have problems when first released.The n4 and n5 for example.
So wait let the hype settle down.
Wait a couple of months then order your one.
Just my 2cents.

Retail packaging will be much better. It will be a finished retail product.
These winners were advanced, before retail packaging was ready. Just wait for the retail unboxing videos. Everyone that reviewed the device has commented about how good the quality is. The retail product will not disappoint. Packaging will be as good as the final product, just like the packaging that was seen in the video with Steve Kondik unboxing the One.
Steve's video is HERE.

Oh come one! How can there be people justifying this BS. Man, they couldn't put 100 units together with their retail package and not even a CHARGER? This is unjustifiable. This company's main marketing will be over social media by its users (evangelists). These first 100 phone should have arrived in a SPECIAL package since they are for the winners of a very much hyped promo (Smash The Past) that asked to destroy $700 devices! This is without mentioning that the first units (pre-production) had defects that were justified because they weren't actual retail but hey considering that this is the only marketing they had they should have released something near perfect.
Guys this company and product are not ready. They couldn't get 100 devices in weeks they won't be able to produce not even 5,000 in 2 months.
Note: I consider my self a supporter of Oneplus since I believe that what they tired to do with a device like this at the right price it commendable but this sucks and you don't have to be a marketing expert to know that this is going wrong.

dammm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNCT_fUCeY

[RANT] Dear Nexus 6 unboxing videos...

We don't care what the box looks like and what's in it. Also we've seen plenty of Lollipop walk-though videos, we don't need another one.
Here's what we DO care about:
A good description of the color, especially the midnight blue model
What the backing material feels like. References to other materials would be helpful
For god sakes, play a youtube video or music so you can report back on how the FF speakers perform. Maybe a comparision to HTC's boom sound?
Please USE the camera in your videos so we can see how fast the autofocus and shooter is.
That is all. End of rant

There is a very tight double embargo on the Nexus 6. A number of sites came out with unboxing and 'hands on' in which they were not allowed to show any of the things you mentioned. The actual reviews will come soon when the 2nd embargo lifts.

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There is a very tight double embargo on the Nexus 6. A number of sites came out with unboxing and 'hands on' in which they were not allowed to show any of the things you mentioned. The actual reviews will come soon when the 2nd embargo lifts.
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Did not know this! Have been wondering why so many hands on, but no reviews.

I guess that makes sense especially if there's OTA firmware coming over the next few weeks to address last minute issues.

Yeah, was listening to the android central podcast and Phil Nickinson said they have an embargo with the N6 and there are thing he can't say or discuss right now.

I'll have to echo ECrispy on this. Many of the reviewers couldn't even log into their google accounts from the device.

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Yeah, was listening to the android central podcast and Phil Nickinson said they have an embargo with the N6 and there are thing he can't say or discuss right now.
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I seriously don't understand the "embargo" on certain topics.
What, is discussing details about performance going to stop people from buying the device? Oh! That is right...you can't buy the device or even pre-order it until lord (Google) knows when. So Google is intentionally stopping people from buying their device AND stopping people from talking about it...for no reason whatsoever.

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I seriously don't understand the "embargo" on certain topics.
What, is discussing details about performance going to stop people from buying the device? Oh! That is right...you can't buy the device or even pre-order it until lord (Google) knows when. So Google is intentionally stopping people from buying their device AND stopping people from talking about it...for no reason whatsoever.
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Yeah i dont agree with it either and wang to see some full reviews instead of unboxing videos only, i mean the droid turbo is getting more hands on and feviews that the N6.

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Yeah i dont agree with it either and wang to see some full reviews instead of unboxing videos only, i mean the droid turbo is getting more hands on and feviews that the N6.
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It would be one thing if Google were making like Santa Claus and making an in-order-or-receipt list of pre-orders to fill, and 20,000 people could cancel if they didn't like the first impressions/reviews.
But when Google knowingly and actively prevents 90%+ of people from forking over money who are otherwise willing customers *and* embargoes actual reviews...it is just stupid.

The Verge was able to use the camera and talk about it, albeit briefly. I guess the rules same don't apply to everyone?
I noticed a flood of hands on impressions posted right when the N6 was available for pre-order so I assume the first embargo was lifted on Wed AM. Big question is - When is the 2nd embargo lifted??

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We don't care what the box looks like and what's in it. Also we've seen plenty of Lollipop walk-though videos, we don't need another one.
Here's what we DO care about:
A good description of the color, especially the midnight blue model
What the backing material feels like. References to other materials would be helpful
For god sakes, play a youtube video or music so you can report back on how the FF speakers perform. Maybe a comparision to HTC's boom sound?
Please USE the camera in your videos so we can see how fast the autofocus and shooter is.
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1) not sure if color is the easiest thing to describe... since what might look good to one person might not look good to the person sitting next to them.
2) Pretty sure i've seen hands-on videos and write-ups that mention it having a soft-touch plastic back.... but then again, some say it's more of a slippery plastic... so who knows. Probably all depends on what they consider "soft-touch".
3) So... you want them to record a video of how dual front-facing speakers perform, with a camera that more than likely only has a single microphone to begin with? How would that help with trying to see how good it sounds? If anything, it'll sound WORSE than it would in person.
4) Again... another thing i'm pretty sure i've seen in a video... but can't seem to find right now.

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It would be one thing if Google were making like Santa Claus and making an in-order-or-receipt list of pre-orders to fill, and 20,000 people could cancel if they didn't like the first impressions/reviews.
But when Google knowingly and actively prevents 90%+ of people from forking over money who are otherwise willing customers *and* embargoes actual reviews...it is just stupid.
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This is my first time buying a nexus phone and so hyped about it by being introduced to aosp on my oneplus one, this nexus is what i wanted in a phone and though because it's a nexus that it would be more hyped up by google but they seem to think differently. Sstayed up all night and didnt get much work done the next moring trying to pre order but we all know how that went. I did however preorder with expansys as a backup. I have watched the unboxing videos some much just to get a fix until i can get it. Come on google take my damn money already.

elementaldragon said:
1) not sure if color is the easiest thing to describe... since what might look good to one person might not look good to the person sitting next to them.
2) Pretty sure i've seen hands-on videos and write-ups that mention it having a soft-touch plastic back.... but then again, some say it's more of a slippery plastic... so who knows. Probably all depends on what they consider "soft-touch".
3) So... you want them to record a video of how dual front-facing speakers perform, with a camera that more than likely only has a single microphone to begin with? How would that help with trying to see how good it sounds? If anything, it'll sound WORSE than it would in person.
4) Again... another thing i'm pretty sure i've seen in a video... but can't seem to find right now.
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1) Not looking for subjective reviews on the color, but rather a comparison to perhaps another smartphone with the same hue (if possible)
2) I remember reading reviews of the while N5 when it first launched. Several people compared the texture to that of the Mac keyboard which I found spot on.
3) Obviously we won't be able to hear the speakers from our perspective. Looking to get initial feedback (from the reviewer) on the volume and clarity of the speakers which are important to a lot of us. I find the speaker in the N5 to be lacking.

OP chill out. Google has chosen to give people phones to check out and get an overall feel of the device. Hardware is final, software is not. Hence the reason they dont want people throwing up reviews and knocking Lollipop with unpolished software. Obviously there will be a OTA pushed out the day before the Embargo is lifted. Then you will get more full reviews then you can shake your stick at. Patience!!

This needed a thread... Really?

Think you're getting confused with unboxing videos and review videos.
Two completely different types of videos.. hence the name

FYI - Android police just posted an initial impressions piece that addressed a lot of my questions. Kudos to them!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-googles-nexus-6-really-big-really-beautiful/

2nd embargo lifted Nov. 12th? http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrymagid/2014/11/01/hands-on-with-googles-nexus-6/

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I seriously don't understand the "embargo" on certain topics.
What, is discussing details about performance going to stop people from buying the device? Oh! That is right...you can't buy the device or even pre-order it until lord (Google) knows when. So Google is intentionally stopping people from buying their device AND stopping people from talking about it...for no reason whatsoever.
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The fact that many people will jump to a conclusion and potentially not buy a device if a reviewer has something bad to say about a bug or something similar without giving Google a chance to fix it.

Fairly certain that the last bullet point is specifically restricted by Google's NDA agreements, as well as more detailed reviews. Gotta wait till Nov 12 before we can get our fill of stuff
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Getting harder and harder to resist Returning

Pending a gamechanging Camera update I don't know how a rational saavy smartphone man can keep the S20 Ultra.
I have the Note 10+ btw.
5G is ok. About the 15% improvement on T-Mobile projected here in Chicago Il .
The increased Mgz refresh doesn't tip the scales either.
Want the full camera functionality.
Samsung whatchu got?! U got 10 days left.

Agree. The problem for some of us is that Samsung is screwing around by trying to charge double the retail value for the pre-order accessories. As it stands now my accessories have not even shipped yet. I have 10 more days to return the phone. If I return it now, Samsung is charging two times retail for the accessories so the $870 I paid gets cut in half to 400 and change.
They will not send out a replacement device or allow me to ship this back so that they can fix what is broken. aside from the autofocus issues people are having, my video looks like the person recording it is on crack. Even on a tripod fully stabilized the video jitters worse than I've ever seen.
So I'm a bit SOL at the moment. Otherwise fully agree with you; I can't believe they would release such a crap product....not to mention one that costs $1.4k!!
edit: be prepared for the whiners to enter the thread and begin berating you for daring to criticize the lord and savior, dear Samsung. Some people don't realize this is a discussion forum, meant for...discussion.

jwwagner25 said:
Agree. The problem for some of us is that Samsung is screwing around by trying to charge double the retail value for the pre-order accessories. As it stands now my accessories have not even shipped yet. I have 10 more days to return the phone. If I return it now, Samsung is charging two times retail for the accessories so the $870 I paid gets cut in half to 400 and change.
They will not send out a replacement device or allow me to ship this back so that they can fix what is broken. aside from the autofocus issues people are having, my video looks like the person recording it is on crack. Even on a tripod fully stabilized the video jitters worse than I've ever seen.
So I'm a bit SOL at the moment. Otherwise fully agree with you; I can't believe they would release such a crap product....not to mention one that costs $1.4k!!
edit: be prepared for the whiners to enter the thread and begin berating you for daring to criticize the lord and savior, dear Samsung. Some people don't realize this is a discussion forum, meant for...discussion.
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You paid $870 for accessories that cost $400? HUH?

jwwagner25 said:
edit: be prepared for the whiners to enter the thread and begin berating you for daring to criticize the lord and savior, dear Samsung. Some people don't realize this is a discussion forum, meant for...discussion.
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Yea meant for discussion...not about whining about the same issues that have been raised 1000x already on these threads
So i this point, this is just another pointless thread that i hope mod would close just like the other one.

I guess different strokes, man. I'm coming from an S10+ to S20 Ultra and no way I'd go back! So many improvements, OS speed and screen are amazing, as is 120Hz refresh rate, battery life is also great for me.
Everyone knows TMo 5G is garbage, no surprise there.
It's a brand new product, as with all of them, they'll release some updates to improve things, including the camera, I'm sure.
But hey, if it's not doing anything for you over your S10+, save your cash and do something else with it you'll enjoy.

Any news on the camera update?

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You paid $870 for accessories that cost $400? HUH?
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Samsung is charging 2x retail for the pre order accessories.
If I return the phone as is, (having not received the accessories yet) they will refund me $470.
I paid $870 for the phone (trade in discount).
Instead of taking off the $200 value of accessories (and refunding me $670) they are doubling the cost, making it $400.
It shouldn't be so complicated to understand
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Any news on the camera update?
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Nope. I spent two hours today doing side by side comparison of my s10+ and the video on the ultra has serious and noticable issues..autofocus constantly hunting and random full-frame jitters every few seconds. People who don't notice it are either blind or maybe they don't care about watching videos on a normal (not 6") screen..
Yes the dynamic range is better but what's the point when the end result is near unwatchable and *measurably* worse than last gen?
Someone said that the global launch or release for the phone is March 13th and that they were expecting Samsung to have an update out by that time, but who knows whether or not it will actually happen.
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Yea meant for discussion...not about whining about the same issues that have been raised 1000x already on these threads
So i this point, this is just another pointless thread that i hope mod would close just like the other one.
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If you don't like it, don't participate. no reason to spread your butthurt around. Have a nice day

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Nope. I spent two hours today doing side by side comparison of my s10+ and the video on the ultra has serious and noticable issues..autofocus constantly hunting and random full-frame jitters every few seconds. People who don't notice it are either blind or maybe they don't care about watching videos on a normal (not 6") screen..
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You're holding it wrong. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
But in all seriousness, I don't have half of those issues you people are experiencing.

I saw a post somewhere a guy said his ultra had more issues than his wife's ultra. It is possible OP received a worse one.
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Samsung isn't allowing you to return the accessories too? I feel that can't be legal.

Hey it is still time till official release. I am also disappointed but call me stupid, I have faith in them. History shows that they can even recall and fix stuff. That is a positive for me instead of such things like "you holding your phone wrong".

jwwagner25 said:
Samsung is charging 2x retail for the pre order accessories.
If I return the phone as is, (having not received the accessories yet) they will refund me $470.
I paid $870 for the phone (trade in discount).
Instead of taking off the $200 value of accessories (and refunding me $670) they are doubling the cost, making it $400.
It shouldn't be so complicated to understand
Yeah it shouldn't be but you have made it that way. Quit whining then, return it and move on. You're trying to get something for nothing and complaining about it...LOL WOW.
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Return it if you want, it's that simple. I like the phone enough, I'm keeping it. It's your decision whether something is worth it or not, and if it's not to you then return it. Don't sit here complaining until your return window is missed, and then continue complaining because you're "stuck" with something no one forced you to buy or forced you to keep.

I'm holding on to mine,yes the Camera is the big topic here but July is not that far off and the Note 20 will be announced and I'm pretty sure it will be a more fine tuned S20 Ultra with a better display and an even more updated S-pen,so trade in the Ultra get at least $700 if not more depending on price increase of Note 20 series and move on to the next level of trial and error.

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I'm holding on to mine,yes the Camera is the big topic here but July is not that far off and the Note 20 will be announced and I'm pretty sure it will be a more fine tuned S20 Ultra with a better display and an even more updated S-pen,so trade in the Ultra get at least $700 if not more depending on price increase of Note 20 series and move on to the next level of trial and error.
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When the Note has a full screen and selfie cam built into the s-pen with the ability to take pics and video on its own I'm buying it and don't care what it costs!

jwwagner25 said:
Samsung is charging 2x retail for the pre order accessories.
If I return the phone as is, (having not received the accessories yet) they will refund me $470.
I paid $870 for the phone (trade in discount).
Instead of taking off the $200 value of accessories (and refunding me $670) they are doubling the cost, making it $400.
It shouldn't be so complicated to understand
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They're charging you retail price, there is no way they are charging you more.
Where did they say they will refund $470? Because something isn't right here, and I have to assume it's miscommunication.

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People who don't notice it are either blind or maybe they don't care about watching videos on a normal (not 6") screen..
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There's more than one report out there of discrepancies in performance between different phones. Have you considered perhaps that Samsung has a quality control issue on this phone, rather than you simply having superior eyesight?
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...nes-have-different-camera-results/m-p/1143189

"Rational saavy smartphone man" here. I have no plans to return this sexy ass phone.

I sent my Ultra back yesterday and ordered an S20+. I liked almost everything about it. I took good pics with the camera which was my deciding factor. Great display, great battery, but it was too big and heavy for me, especially the thickness combined with that huge camera bump. I had gray so the bump was very obvious too. I like big, never thought I'd see a phone that was too big but you have to see and hold this guy to appreciate it's heft. I think Samsung nailed it with these phones, you just need to find the one that suits you.

I have the same doubts since a couple of days, i still don't have the Ultra it comes this Friday the 13th (the horror) anyway the Mi 10 Pro / Oppo Find X2 seem better for the price. The Ultra really needs to be head and shoulders above the rest for the price.
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dmb219 said:
I sent my Ultra back yesterday and ordered an S20+. ..... I took good pics with the camera which was my deciding factor.
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I think you missed a word or two.
I do are though, you just need to find the phone that works for you, if the Ultra isn't that phone, okay then, return it and move on to find the right phone. People who bash a phone because it didn't work for them are wasting their time and everyone else's.