My honest review of LG G4 (updated with photos) - G4 General

So my LG G4 is with me for more than 2 weeks now and I had the time to root it first with Low Effort then with official unlock.
Coming from a long history of HTC phones and a short period of S6 I will try to be as honest as possible with my review of the G4.
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The LG G4 I bought came with both leather (black) and gold plastic(silver in reality) covers. Of course using the leather cover gives it a more premium look while the ''gold'' one is more heavy duty. I am using the plastic one for days of gym and other sports, while the leather one is for casual days like going to diners, dating...
Ok even with the leather you won't reach the high levels of premium feeling an HTC M9 can give but it's easily better looking than the S6 back glass and ugly face, also thanks to the fact the battery cover can be opened and replaced you won't have to babycare your phone with additional covers,bumpers...
I am planning to get the red burgundy color as it's more special and vibrant than both black and brown colors.
The screen is slightly curved as well as the back, it's good for handy use but the plastic cover will be a little slippery while the leather one will bounce left and right if you put it on a table and try to write a message for example, due to the extra sewing in the middle of the back.
The sides are very nice with a titanium effect that looks way more durable than the Note 4 chromes.
So all and all the design is pretty nice and the phone doesn't feel cheap specially with the leather back.
Screen:
The G4 sports a big 5.5'' screen with 1440p resolution. This is one of the main reason I switched from the M9, I had sometimes troubles reading fonts with my near sighted vision problems without glasses.
The screen on G4 is simply splendid! it's more vivid than M9, way better viewing angles and nearly closed amoled blacks. The details are amazing as expected thanks to the 1440p resolution and the high contrast ratio, I have faced zero problem reading text without glasses and playing games are a real pleasure.
Sunlight visibility is slightly better than M9 which was already very good.
The advantage of this LCD is that you won't face the amoled known burn-in problems as well as the S6 board traces under sunlight and the infamous pink tint.
So to conclude, the G4's screen is simply the best smartphone screen of 2015 as it has very high resolution, very high contrast and very good viewing angles without any problem known on other phones.
Some people faced touchscreen problems on their G4 but they claimed the latest FW updates (10f and newer) fixed it.
Sound Quality:
Sound quality and volume are important for me, specially coming from the best in that field HTC M8 and M9. I use my smartphone as audio source for my car stereo pairing it with the HTC stereoclip module (BT to AUX) or AUX, and of course for sports (gym,skiing,...) using my HifIman RE272 or my Sony SBH50.
Let's begin with the main speaker: it's very loud! Louder than both speakers on the M9, quality wise it's way superior to the Note 4 and louder than S6. The speaker is at the back but because it's curved it won't get muffled on most surfaces.
Out of the box the G4 has pleasant sound quality over my earphones hifiman RE272, the soundstage is very good but it lacks some bass, as for volume loudness it's perhaps 1-2 steps under what I would like as max volume. Weirdly enough using the BT option, the loudness is way better and even louder than the M9's BT.
Thanks to Root, using Viper4android boosting volume and equalizer I can finally reach a very satisfactory volume level and the lacking bass is fixed, some roms like Marcosuper7 have already a boosted volume.
BT in my car is pretty loud and sound quality (aptx + BT 4.0) is as good as AUX, while AUX (with root advantages) will produce even louder sound.
Conclusion: I am not missing the HTC sound quality and loudness, the G4 just need root and V4A to reach high quality sound and volume.
User Interface:
The G4 has Android 5.1 out of the box, the UI is fluid and lagless, the double tap to wake and sleep are very cool, the smartnotice widget is cool (though will cover half your wallpaper), it's much better build than Touchwiz and is closer to HTC Sense logic and added value.
One of the thing I hated on the S6 was the lack of automatic connecting BT, when I used car apps with the S6 I had to manually pair it everytime I went in my car, with the G4 like with the M9 it will autoconnect to the HTC Stereoclip, added to that I successfully run the HTC Car app on the G4 which is for me the best Car app on Android.
I can install the Sense 7 port which is as fluid as on M9 but I losed the double tap to sleep feature.
I am using the HTC gallery app instead of LG stock one as it's also better structured.
Conclusion: I was afraid the G4 UI was poor compared to Sense but it's finally very good and I can add some apps from Sense to make it perfect.
Camera:
One of the main feature that people liked in the G4 is the camera...and they are not wrong!
It has a 16mp sensor with f1.8 and OIS meaning great low light photos, compared to M9 low light photos are miles better, they have less obvious noises (the M9 used to have big yellow ones in very low light) and details are much better, compared to S6 it's sometimes as good and sometimes slightly better.
In daylight the G4 is equal to S6 in Auto mode meaning very good, but like with the M9 you can use RAW and increase much more details.
The advantage of the G4 is that it has a great dynamic range, so you won't have to use the HDR thingy too much (like on M9).
Macro shots are fantastic with the G4 and it produces natural bokeh due to the f1.8, though because the focus is very limited on macro shots due again to f1.8 if you don't want the bokeh effect you will have it anyway.
Lightroom will produce vignette if you open DNG photos directly, so it's better to use the Cornerfix software with the G4 profile given by vincent2167 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61360315&postcount=314 then open it with Lightroom.
In conclusion the G4 is easily on the top 2 camera of 2015 with the S6
Some samples:
Macro, low light no flash:
Macro, low light flash:
HDR:
Battery:
All 2015 Android flagship phones are suffering from the same not so good battery life, the S6,M9 and G4 will not give you more than 24h battery with normal use and 80 to 100% brightness.
The M9 I had was better than S6 and the G4 won 30mins more SOT over the M9.
I had 3.5 hours SOT with M9 and now 4 hours with the G4, but as said before it's not as good as a 2014 Z3 that have over 6 hours SOT.
In another hand all these 3 2015 phones have the Quick Charging 2.0 feature, meaning much faster charging time.
The G4 is not only compatible with this feature but it's clearly faster than M9 to charge from 0 to 100%.
I took nearly 1 hour and 20 minutes on M9 and now 50 minutes on G4 :good::good:
Of course it's better to alternate between QC 2.0 charger and the normal one for the battery lifetime.
You can also buy an extra battery as you just have to open the back cover, an advantage you won't have on M8,M9,S6,Note5...
Conclusion:
Did I finally made the right choice in swapping my M9 with the G4? Absolutely yes!
I don't miss the M9 at all, the G4 has a better screen, better camera, on par audio quality (earphones) with root, very nice design thanks to the leather and curvatures, well done UI, no faulty materials (it looks like the touchscreen problem some faced was only a software bug).
For me I can easily say the G4 is the king of 2015 in Android world (and all smartphones if you hate ios like me).
The S6 is a very good flagship too but it has build faults like board traces, very slippery back, very fragile glass back...and of course the ugly touchwiz.

I agree. I didn't take S6 because of no Raw, no manual mode as G4, no SD Card, and specially bad Ram Management !

May I ask which version of the phone you purchased and where you got it from? Also which carrier you are using it on?
I'm thinking of ordering one of the unlocked H815 models off Amazon to use on AT&T.

Was going to ask you
vegetaleb said:
Did I finally made the right choice in swapping my M9 with the G4? Absolutely yes!
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The S6 is a very good flagship too but it has build faults like board traces, very slippery back, very fragile glass back...and of course the ugly touchwiz.
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what is a 'board trace' ?

One Twelve said:
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what is a 'board trace' ?
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Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/weird-lines-s6-screen-t3124664
Oh I forgot to talk about the pink tint of the majority of S6 screens too that you won't have on G4

zook388 said:
May I ask which version of the phone you purchased and where you got it from? Also which carrier you are using it on?
I'm thinking of ordering one of the unlocked H815 models off Amazon to use on AT&T.
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I got the NDL H815 version not branded

LG's UI is definitely not lag free.
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barondebxl said:
LG's UI is definitely not lag free.
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Which version of the phone did you have? I've heard that the US carrier versions have worse lag.

zook388 said:
Which version of the phone did you have? I've heard that the US carrier versions have worse lag.
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I had the H815T. I don't deal with the US carriers, my network is cricket so I buy all my phones outright. That version of the G4 did lag quite a bit. Like exiting an app and starting to swipe though the home screen it would stutter 70% of the time. Then you have the touchscreen responsiveness issues. Don't wanna even speak about that.
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barondebxl said:
I had the H815T. I don't deal with the US carriers, my network is cricket so I buy all my phones outright. That version of the G4 did lag quite a bit. Like exiting an app and starting to swipe though the home screen it would stutter 70% of the time. Then you have the touchscreen responsiveness issues. Don't wanna even speak about that.
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The touchscreen issue that some people faced is already fixed since 10f, you can't blame LG if your carrier didn't release the update yet
All OS have micro lags, it all depends on the apps you are running in the background, though I tried Note 4 for example and found it really laggy, like 3 seconds to open the app drawer

vegetaleb said:
The touchscreen issue that some people faced is already fixed since 10f, you can't blame LG if your carrier didn't release the update yet
All OS have micro lags, it all depends on the apps you are running in the background, though I tried Note 4 for example and found it really laggy, like 3 seconds to open the app drawer
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That excuse doesn't make any sense. Every time someone talks about lags in a device, other say that every devices lag. I bet you you can't compare the lag in the G4 to whatever you may define as lag in the iPhone or the HTC One M8.
Those stutters in the G4 are not micro stutters.
I can't blame LG? They're the ones who shipped the phone that way no?
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barondebxl said:
That excuse doesn't make any sense. Every time someone talks about lags in a device, other say that every devices lag. I bet you you can't compare the lag in the G4 to whatever you may define as lag in the iPhone or the HTC One M8.
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My rooted G4 with animations disabled is way faster than waiting on the animations that can't be disabled on the iPhone.

oldjackbob said:
My rooted G4 with animations disabled is way faster than waiting on the animations that can't be disabled on the iPhone.
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That's great. A jailbroken iPhone can speed up the animations as well. You didn't know that though....
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barondebxl said:
That's great. A jailbroken iPhone can speed up the animations as well. You didn't know that though....
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Believe me the iphones also lags, at least on Android phones like G4 you can change launchers, I said in my review you can install the Sense 7 port on G4 and get the exact same speed and lagless feeling than on M9.
Also ALL manufacturers without any exceptions release flagships with bugs, but the thing is that they iron out these bugs in the weeks or months that follow, LG fixed the touchscreen issue some G4 had. I used to have extreme heat on my M9 out of nowhere but they reduced it in later FWs, though there is an horrible screen wake lag when you open the dot view cover that could reach 4 seconds and I don't know if they fixed it yet.
There is something a little annoying with the G4 though I dunno if it's a Windows 10 thingy, there are some files in the G4's memory I can't see in windows explorer! When I download a torrent file with Vuze and come in Windows to see it, it won't show up at all.

barondebxl said:
That excuse doesn't make any sense. Every time someone talks about lags in a device, other say that every devices lag. I bet you you can't compare the lag in the G4 to whatever you may define as lag in the iPhone or the HTC One M8.
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Or a nexus or droid turbo or the xperias on tricked out roms.
Those stutters in the G4 are not micro stutters.
I can't blame LG? They're the ones who shipped the phone that way no?
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You are saying you can't handle it because you've got addicted to speed. Can't do without it now. Must root, jailbreak whatever.
But you will always be the slowest link. the device is waiting on your lag 99.99% of the time
Skins are always going to have these issues so ppl say give me a thin one, well there are vendors out there that do that. If what they offer meets your requirements great. But i find that does not happen often. so more choice means chances are better you get what you want.
Why are you on a G now ? its a good device but bit of a come down isn't it.

One Twelve said:
Or a nexus or droid turbo or the xperias on tricked out roms.
You are saying you can't handle it because you've got addicted to speed. Can't do without it now. Must root, jailbreak whatever.
But you will always be the slowest link. the device is waiting on your lag 99.99% of the time
Skins are always going to have these issues so ppl say give me a thin one, well there are vendors out there that do that. If what they offer meets your requirements great. But i find that does not happen often. so more choice means chances are better you get what you want.
Why are you on a G now ? its a good device but bit of a come down isn't it.
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No my friend no. You are making your own conclusion based on nothing really. I'm not making the lag up, I have used a lot of phones and I mean a lot. I just know good performance vs not that great performance. Compared to the M8 and the iPhone for example, the G4 stutters quite a bit. That is a fact. Now if you wanna deny that then its ok but its there. And I disagree that skins will always have these issues cause again, the M8 is one of the speediest Android devices out there and it runs with sense on top. It's about the UI and its optimizations.
I am using the Moto G3 until the IPhone is released of the nexus. Maybe the Moto X pure edition, we will see.
Keep in mind, I owned the G4, I also owned the S6, IPhone 6 and 6 plus and many other high and devices. The G4 doesn't perform as well as any of those devices in my opinion. It's a fast device that stutters more than it should.
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LG G4
After reading this much clear to know the LG G4, maybe 8 years ago when i walked on the street found full of LG ADS on my side. Honest speaking Apply, Susamg knocked the off LG, it's a pity. however , i like the appearance!

I had the S6 too and it was slightly more laggy than the G4, I come from an HTC M9 which is the fastest phone out there in terms of UI, the G4 is perhaps just 5% slower using the LG launcher but again (and this is why you are here in XDA) once you use a launcher like Sense 7 port (thanks xpirt) it's as fast as on M9 meaning fastest UI speed possible in 2015.
People having lags on G4 have obviously branded G4 with additional bloatwares

G4 does not lag at all with me, QHD screen and no lag, so it's very cool... I put animation to x0.5, that's perfect.
My phone is unbranded
How you can get Sense 7 on the G4 ?

Great review. I agree with you completely. The best phone I've ever used.
I'm wondering where you find the HTC Car app. When I go to the Play store nothing shows up from HTC when I type that in.
Richard

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GS3 vs One X - Can you handle the Truth?

The most beautiful minimalist phone ever produced imho, Kudos to Samsung.
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Superior R&D
Superior Audio Codec
- Wolfson Micro WM1811
Superior Video Codec
- "The SGS3 is using among the best encode parameters I've seen on a smartphone to date - 17 Mbps H.264 high profile with CABAC. - Anandtech
Superior Amoled Screen
- While text all look the same at above 300PPI [unless you view your screen with a microscope at 200X] in Multimedia Samoled is King.
Superior CPU and GPU
Infinitely better Eye Tracking! Removable Battery and SD Card Slot...er wait lol
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone [seems to be "normal"]
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
No Locked Bootloaders EVER, [HTC, don't blame AT&T]
No "First unit: Flash lens was missing. Returned for a replacement. - rpritch" wth
No "I struggled to buy a defect-less One X unit"
Superior Software & Features... not beats
Touch Wiz vs Sense
Touchwiz was one of the first if not the first to implement hardware acceleration and is one of the smoothest most resource friendly launchers. Back with gingerbread, touchwiz browser was pure butter....one of the smoothest i've ever used and definitely still one of the smoothest i've used. It's also battery efficient etc....
Sense on the otherhand is a resource hog, not very battery friendly, and mostly just looks good. Touchwiz is ugly, but there's a huge dev community for the galaxy phones so getting rid of it and flashing AOSP or anything was super simple.
As for user friendly, touchwiz is probably one of the simplest to use. Also looks kinda like iOS buttons which might help a bit but w/e. In terms of out of the box performance, samsung software > HTC software
- PewPewBangBang One X Owner
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- Anandtech Bench -
What surprises me in these benchmarks is how close the GS2 performs to the One X. Disappointing on One X' part if you ask me.
As we showed in our SGS3 performance preview, the handset is, as Samsung described it, capable of posting "superlative" benchmark numbers with its 1.4 GHz Exynos 4 Quad SoC. It goes without saying that even with TouchWiz running atop Android 4.0.4, the SGS3 is butter smooth, everywhere. - Anandtech
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June can't come soon enough!
boodies said:
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
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The One X has been in available around the world for a month now, and none of those are mass reported problems. Since the SIII is not released yet or even reviewed, I can't see how you think SIII will be problem free.
I like the screen on the One X over my Note (same amoled as SIII), the colour are more accurate and its much brighter in direct sunlight. As for CPU/GPU, both are more than powerful enough to make no difference for day to day use.
Overall, apart from removable battery and micro sd card, SIII and One X are too very close to call. I think both phone will do well over the next few months. The SIII is more suited to the power users, but One X have the WOW factor the SIII lacks, which will do will with general public who don't really care about removable battery or expendable storage.
Bigmille said:
Since the SIII is not released yet or even reviewed, I can't see how you think SIII will be problem free.
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No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Flex Issues - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Things rattling inside phone - Never Happened and I trust Sammy R&D
No Screen Flickering - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
No Stuttering Videos - Proven Exynos CPU and Video Player Both made in-house by Samsung for superior cooperation.
There, happy? And yes I'd like both do to well and push Android further but this is a nerd tech phone forum, why not have some fun ^_^
Threads like this remind me a little bit about Top Gear, where they say a car can't be cool if you have to explain WHY it's cool.
With the one x, you can just show it to someone, and they will be "wow, that's cool". With the SGS3, they will think it looks ugly/bland but may be won over after you spend 5 mins telling/showing them why it's cool.
And yes, phones are all about being cool
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boodies said:
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Flex Issues - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Things rattling inside phone - Never Happened and I trust Sammy R&D
No Screen Flickering - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
No Stuttering Videos - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
There, happy? And yes I'd like both do to well and push Android further but this is a nerd tech phone forum, why not have some fun ^_^
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The htc one x is a pos.
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diehard2222 said:
The htc one x is a pos.
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It's not a POS that's for sure. But there are some real issues and I don't think people should ignore them. Lets keep things a little more pro brother lol.
The rattling sound that people complain about is when they press a button and it vibrates. They think the sound of the vibration is a rattle
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*Closes eyes and shakes head* -Noooo! Now you're ruining my world! I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
boodies said:
The most beautiful minimalist phone ever produced imho, Kudos to Samsung.
Superior R&D
Superior Audio Codec
- Wolfson Micro WM1811
Superior Video Codec
- "The SGS3 is using among the best encode parameters I've seen on a smartphone to date - 17 Mbps H.264 high profile with CABAC. - Anandtech
Superior Amoled Screen
- While text all look the same at above 300PPI [unless you view your screen with a microscope at 200X] in Multimedia Samoled is King.
Superior CPU and GPU
Infinitely better Eye Tracking! Removable Battery and SD Card Slot...er wait lol
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone [seems to be "normal"]
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
No Locked Bootloaders EVER, [HTC, don't blame AT&T]
No "First unit: Flash lens was missing. Returned for a replacement. - rpritch" wth
No "I struggled to buy a defect-less One X unit"
Superior Software & Features... not beats
Touch Wiz vs Sense
- Anandtech Bench -
June can't come soon enough!
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The real question is can *you* handle the truth? The truth that CPU benchmarks are a pile of useless s.it that have nothing to do with real life usage experience? The truth that tegra optimized apps will always run better on the one x and there are no whatever-samsung-called-their-cpu optimized apps and won't be for quite some time? The truth that HOX has more beautiful screen than the pentile SAMOLED? The truth that difference in performance *might* be felt after a year and a half when both these phones will be old news? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the downright ugliness of the sg3? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the cheapness of the shiny plastic? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the inferior screen? The truth that after that year and a half finally passes the only apps that will show any difference will run bad on the sg3 and worse on the HOX because both will be outdated?
Can you?
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If I get a SIII I hope I don't have to see useless threads like this in this forum for the next year.
Thread will be closed i am sure in a while..These threads are not necessary. No need to make yourself feel good bro just because you are getting a new toy. Enjoy your new toy and no need to bash others just because they made another choice..Both phones are great and both have their own good points. Even though most are just gimmicks from the iphone (yes S-Voice just a copy from Siri) and really even though i love the features of the phone it still does not cry out innovating from some parts of it..anyways if i did not had my one x i would be going for the s3 cause i still believe it is a good phone but the issues you are stating about the one x not everyone has it..so best go and do your research again. Plus each time i press the water lockscreen it will probably make me wanna go and have a leak.. and on that note
First & foremost I'm an Android Fan & not brand specific and will go with who ever I believe will give me the best end user experience.
I like the One X, I also think it has a very nice display, I like sense as a UI & the unit feels nice in the hand, play with my sisters one most days even to the point where I even ordered one, which I then cancelled due to the impending SIII launch.
Now the SIII is here I have ordered one, mainly due to the larger replaceable battery, full size sim (I have other network contracts) and Micro SD Support. These three things alone kill the HOX stone dead for me and I would guess quite a number of others who have multiple handsets.
I think seriously looks a very subjective thing, but when fashion fades only style remains. In the most part these things normally end up in some sort of protective casing which renders the looks aspect moot in most cases.
In 18months time, when the you have stopped looking at it aesthetically and just use it as a day to day communication,entertainment and productivity tool, what is really going to matter?
To me it will be.
Ease of use, battery life, reliability, compatibility & decent brightness in daylight.
I'm I really going to care about the differences in terms of Screen Technology's on a day to day basis, I doubt it, its a phone at the end of the day as long as the display is good that's all the really matters personally. Not for the least part there will be something better by then the anyway.
They are both really good High end devices which will hopefully push Android even further in front of a certain fruit company.
Just my 2p
I noticed Wolfson on the your spec list. This is great! Sound quality is a major factor for me, and keeps me on my Galaxy S (AT&T Captivate). With the return of Wolfson, I may be able to upgrade this summer when it comes to AT&T.
tkolev said:
The real question is can *you* handle the truth? The truth that CPU benchmarks are a pile of useless s.it that have nothing to do with real life usage experience? The truth that tegra optimized apps will always run better on the one x and there are no whatever-samsung-called-their-cpu optimized apps and won't be for quite some time? The truth that HOX has more beautiful screen than the pentile SAMOLED? The truth that difference in performance *might* be felt after a year and a half when both these phones will be old news? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the downright ugliness of the sg3? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the cheapness of the shiny plastic? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the inferior screen? The truth that after that year and a half finally passes the only apps that will show any difference will run bad on the sg3 and worse on the HOX because both will be outdated?
Can you?
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Here is my opinion. I think they both will be winner. I'm not saying that to make everybody else happy, its cause its the truth. Here are facts:
The one x is the best looking device without a shadow of a doubt. It looks sexy, the screen is amazing, it is really a great looking device. But unfortunately it has horrible battery life, screen issues, lag and stutter and sense while it looks beautiful is still a heavy skin. ( about the issues if you don't believe me go check the one x forum). Still it has great potential and WILL get lots of dev support so in a couple of months its gonna be a beast!
Now the Galaxy S3, honestly I like the design a lot. It isn't as beautiful as the one x but still , people are saying that it looks awesome in person. Then you got so many pros, exynos 4 quad on board , expandable storage, removable battery all in a device that is thinner than the one x. Anadtech and many others have reported the phone to be buttery smooth as expected. On top of that the phone should be easy to root ( no S-off bull crap required) all the new features Samsung introduced look great. Dev support is gonna be HUGE just like the one x will but with a boot loader easy to unlock. My personal choice is the S3 cause after I was blown away by the S2 , Samsung has won me over as a loyal customer. They both will b great especially when development takes off but I will give the edge to the s3 cause it is a performer!!!
We dont need another SGS3vsHTC whatever thread.
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Moto X Pros/Cons IMO

Moto X Cons/Pros IMO
Hi, this can be a base for new Moto X users coming from other smartphones.
Pros
1. Moto X has one of the smoothest and fastest Android experience you'll have with any smartphone today.
If you're coming from a non-nexus smartphone, you'll definitely feel that. Everything just works in Moto X. It's the smartphone with the nearest experience of an iPhone in terms of speed and smoothness.
2. Moto X feels great in hand. It has the perfect size for a smartphone.
3. Screen size is perfect, you can reach every corner without a hassle.
Although some users might feel the difference coming from a bigger screen, you'll definately get used to it in no time.
4. Good materials, it feels like you're holding a really well made product. Not just plastic stuff.
5. Twist to fast access to camera is great.
I'm still getting used to it, but accessing the camera without even touching the screen is very handy. I thought it would be too much of a hassle to do that movement every time, but it turns out you get used to it very fast, and that's pretty easy.
6. Touchless Control.
Although it's almost useless here in Brazil, I'll include that because is it's really useful for the main languages that it includes. I still use it to showoff though. :victory:
7. The speaker is one of the best I've listened so far.
It's one of the loudest, its quality is pretty good. Basses are good too.
8. Battery life is superb.
It lasts for your entire day and even a little bit more. Compared to my last phone, a S3, I can really feel the difference.
9. Battery charges really fast.
Within 2 hours or so, my Moto X charges from 0% to 100% with stock wall charger. Considering its battery time, it's an amazingly fast charge: 2 hours charge for a 24h+ usage. My S3 used to charge in 5h+
10. Fast updates.
This is not something that will certainly happen, but it seems Motorola is committed to bring us Android OS updates and improvements updates really quickly. Although it has not been released for my Moto X here in Brazil yet, it's been released for the Moto X faster than the Nexus devices. Let's hope they keep it like that for some years, and not just because it's the momentum smartphone.
11. Active Notifications.
The best thing invented after the wheel, don't have to say anything about this.
Cons
1. Onscreen buttons takes too much space.
Although Moto X screen size is perfect, its virtual buttons takes a lot of that space, and you might feel a big hit when coming from a 4.8/5" phone that has its entire dedicated screen.
2. Camera is terrible.
Coming from a S3, I definitely felt a big hit here. Camera takes a big time to shoot photos; it takes too long to focus; it takes pics with different tonality every time, it's even hard to shoot 2 similar photos from 2 different angles. Below is an example of that.
Camera software is not the best aswell. We don't have night mode, quality/px choice, effects, and so on.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Those 2 pics are not edited and were shot with the Moto X camera in practically the same moment.
3. Touchless Control doesn't work everywhere.
For example in Brazil, not all the commands are available and it's just useful to call for someone and check weather predictions. Despite using it to call for someone, we don't get audio feedback for any of the commands.
4. Too thin for 2 hands usage?
That's a real real personal thought, but although Moto X has the perfect size for a one-hand feel, I'm really having a hard time typing in the keyboard and I wouldn't blame if it was a little wider. The phone is thinner than the S3, that I used to rest both hands and type, and wider than a smartphone that we can rest one hand and use the other sidewards.
But I'm really sure it's something I'll get used to within some time.
5. No sdcard slot.
I'm yet to see if this will be really a down vote to me on Moto X, but at least in my old S3, I had to use a 16gb sdcard to store some extra musics and pics. The default 16gb was not sufficient.
Well, that's it. It's a really great phone and it was for sure a great improvement coming from a S3. I do miss S3's camera and physical buttons, but despite that and the listed above, there's nothing else I can blame this phone for.
Feel free to add your own opinions, cons and pros.
I plan on getting this phone ?
Did you update your phone already? I've heard it does improve the camera picture quality drastically!
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Royalfox said:
I plan on getting this phone ?
Did you update your phone already? I've heard it does improve the camera picture quality drastically!
Sent from my Nexus 7
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Yes, I'm using the lastest Jelly Bean OTA update and the lastest camera update from the Play Store.
I've added 1 item to the con and 1 to the pros that I forgot to mention.
Royalfox said:
I plan on getting this phone ?
Did you update your phone already? I've heard it does improve the camera picture quality drastically!
Sent from my Nexus 7
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I used a demo at the store (one had kitkat and one didn't), and the kitkat one was SO much better. I think this camera really competes with the other flagships now.
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Yes, I'm using the lastest Jelly Bean OTA update and the lastest camera update from the Play Store.
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He means Kitkat i think.
@op great pros and cons list.
My pros:
- active display
- great feel in hand
- touchless control is really impressive (even works when the phone is in your pocket and you have headphones plugged in)
- battery life
- speaker
- performance
- call quality
- twist to launcher the camera
Cons:
- display is way too over saturated
- phone is heavier than I thought
- The camera is probably the worst I have used from all the other flagship phones this year, it really is a joke.
- locked boot loader.
This phone does the phone functionalities extremely well though I must say.
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Please explain how are you cooking those hot dogs. They look delicious.
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barondebxl said:
@op great pros and cons list.
My pros:
- active display
- great feel in hand
- touchless control is really impressive (even works when the phone is in your pocket and you have headphones plugged in)
- battery life
- speaker
- performance
- call quality
- twist to launcher the camera
Cons:
- display is way too over saturated
- phone is heavier than I thought
- The camera is probably the worst I have used from all the other flagship phones this year, it really is a joke.
- locked boot loader.
This phone does the phone functionalities extremely well though I must say.
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I'm not sure if the S3 boot loader is locked aswell, but we had a lot more hacks, mods and roms to use/test on the S3 than o the Moto X.
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Please explain how are you cooking those hot dogs. They look delicious.
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It was my GF actually. I shall ask to her how she cooked that
Please do ask. Now just to find the one for my self that will cook like that LOL.
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Tottaly agree! Mostly in the voice commands, in Brasil is not useful like in the US
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Thanks OP for sharing your experience. I'd just like to elaborate on the design.
I don't really quite know how to summarize my idea, but the emphasis on user experience is so great, it's borderline criminal, and it's easily the most understated feature of the Moto X. The texture of the back feels extremely wonderful to hold that doesn't feel like cheap plastic nor cold hard aluminium. The contours (?) of the phone is curved in such a way that feels absolutely comfortable - I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola took the palm/hand profiles of many people and designed the back with it. In conjunction with that, the buttons are positioned well enough to allow me to reach for them whenever I need it. And that dent on the back cover! My finger now gravitates to that point to get a solid grab on the phone. _Finally_ I have a phone that doesn't have to depend on aluminium for that premium feel, or worse still, give UX design a middle finger and design a pile of manure (*coughsamsungcough*) for use.
I was really pleasantly surprised to find out for myself how good the speaker was. It's loud, but distortion is hardly noticeable at maximum volume. (Coming from a Galaxy Nexus, I suppose I get a bit too excited. heh) The camera's been improving steadily, thankfully, but it could use more repairs. I would appreciate it very much if I could take photos faster - the idea of twist-to-camera is kinda wasted on a slow-responding camera like this.
I have friends using the Nexus 5 beside me, and in all honesty I don't feel like I'm missing out on much. Then again, I paid a bloody premium for the phone . But seriously speaking, no regrets. At all. If I had to make the decision all over again, I'd still shoot for the Moto X. Never mind that there's no support for LTE in Malaysia or Singapore (I alternate between these two countries most frequently), or that the SD card slot is missing. I have not been so contented with a purchase in a very, very long time.
For me the biggest thing missing is wireless charging inbuilt.. the port for charging is terrible.. tests my patience every time i try to plugin charger
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For me the biggest thing missing is wireless charging inbuilt.. the port for charging is terrible.. tests my patience every time i try to plugin charger
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I agree. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, the plug doesn't seem to go in as firmly as the GNex did. I would have loved wireless charging, as well.
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For me the biggest thing missing is wireless charging inbuilt.. the port for charging is terrible.. tests my patience every time i try to plugin charger
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I agree. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, the plug doesn't seem to go in as firmly as the GNex did. I would have loved wireless charging, as well.
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I believe a member is working on making it work on his in the accessories section.
What are the chances of a QI case being released? I would be all for that.
Cannot believe incipio decided to make a powermat charging case... WHO USES POWERMAT!?
My biggest and only real complaint about the Moto X is the camera. It does not feel like it matches up to even some 2011 phone cameras.
Nice Article.
I'm loving my Moto X 'Argentina Edition' (no root yet ).
On the 'Cons 4' section I swipe a lot, and never again hold my phoine with 2 hands
While driving I can text with the mic, not sure on portuguese, but spanish works great!
OK Google Now
is so much more sensitive in 4.4. I'm using the nexus 5 gel and my phone is constantly beeping and googling my last few words. Kinda strange
I'm still on 4.2.2 but I would have to say the camera, the smaller screen size, and the color saturation of the screen.
I bought a nexus 5 earlier this month and switch between the two phones all the time. {Google apps sync everything} and those would be my main complaints. Obviously the screen size is completely subjective, but I much prefer the n5 screen. I do like the battery life, but I usually have a charger at work and at home, and both phones seem to give me more than acceptable battery life.
The biggest complaint I have is the lack of accessories, cases and screen protectors for it.
I also would like our Canadian carriers to hurry up with the 4.4 updates.
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HTC One M8 or G3? Help please!

I'm getting a new phone soon, and I'm stuck between the LG G3 and HTC One M8. I know this is the G3 forum but I hope I'll get honest suggestions from here.
Can someone please honestly answer my questions:
1. Since I'm coming from the Moto X 2014, I need a fast enough and future proof (duh, till 2016 Jun) phone. I sold it because the screen was fragile, display was so yellowish to my liking, camera wasn't good, no dev support, poor headphone output, poor battery and tempered glass protectors won't even fit properly. My question is, is the G3 really fast enough for the period I stated above? I don't want any lag or frame rate issues on my phone, even with games like MC5 or any other GPU demanding game.
2. How's the battery of the phone? I know about the stock figures, but with a custom ROM, and custom kernel, how many SOT can you get?
3. How's the headphone output? Is it comparable to the One M8 after some tweaking?
4. I don't mind chaging the screen resolution to 1080p, but after changing it, is the phone completely stable? I don't need bugs or any stability issues.
I really like the G3 for its screen size and camera (camera isn't a big priority though), a GB of RAM extra, bezel less design. While, the HTC M8 is cheaper, with some good Harman Kardon earphones, much better speakers, better performance.
Help me out please!
edios123 said:
I'm getting a new phone soon, and I'm stuck between the LG G3 and HTC One M8. I know this is the G3 forum but I hope I'll get honest suggestions from here.
Can someone please honestly answer my questions:
1. Since I'm coming from the Moto X 2014, I need a fast enough and future proof (duh, till 2016 Jun) phone. I sold it because the screen was fragile, display was so yellowish to my liking, camera wasn't good, no dev support, poor headphone output, poor battery and tempered glass protectors won't even fit properly. My question is, is the G3 really fast enough for the period I stated above? I don't want any lag or frame rate issues on my phone, even with games like MC5 or any other GPU demanding game.
2. How's the battery of the phone? I know about the stock figures, but with a custom ROM, and custom kernel, how many SOT can you get?
3. How's the headphone output? Is it comparable to the One M8 after some tweaking?
4. I don't mind chaging the screen resolution to 1080p, but after changing it, is the phone completely stable? I don't need bugs or any stability issues.
I really like the G3 for its screen size and camera (camera isn't a big priority though), a GB of RAM extra, bezel less design. While, the HTC M8 is cheaper, with some good Harman Kardon earphones, much better speakers, better performance.
Help me out please!
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Well i would suggest the G3 for the same reasons i got it, the camera is far better than the M8, the video recording is up to 4k, the screen can't be lowered in resolution so the battery might drain a bit more than the M8 but the battery on the G3 has more capacity, the phone lasts me a whole day and a bit more but i always charge it each night, the phone is bigger in screen size and overall size but the feel on the hand is quite good, im typing using one hand so that should say a lot, the phone is plenty fast and the added gig of ram future proofs the phone a bit more, i would say hold out for the g4 but if you need to buy now then get the g3 i have already owned it for almost a year and the phone has been fantastic, im currently using the stock 4.4.2 firmware because lollipop breaks root and there is no shortage of roms so you can customize away with your liking. Overall get the G3. Also a minor detail that is easily noticeable on gold and white phones are small hairline cracks on the mics and ir blaster so if that is an absolute deal breaker get the m8 and if you get the at&t version then watch out cause sometimes some phones the wireless charging stops working good thing is at&t will exhange it but you have to press that the issue is the phone not the accesories. Overall is the best phone i have had since my sgs3
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bolillo said:
Well i would suggest the G3 for the same reasons i got it, the camera is far better than the M8, the video recording is up to 4k, the screen can't be lowered in resolution so the battery might drain a bit more than the M8 but the battery on the G3 has more capacity, the phone lasts me a whole day and a bit more but i always charge it each night, the phone is bigger in screen size and overall size but the feel on the hand is quite good, im typing using one hand so that should say a lot, the phone is plenty fast and the added gig of ram future proofs the phone a bit more, i would say hold out for the g4 but if you need to buy now then get the g3 i have already owned it for almost a year and the phone has been fantastic, im currently using the stock 4.4.2 firmware because lollipop breaks root and there is no shortage of roms so you can customize away with your liking. Overall get the G3. Also a minor detail that is easily noticeable on gold and white phones are small hairline cracks on the mics and ir blaster so if that is an absolute deal breaker get the m8 and if you get the at&t version then watch out cause sometimes some phones the wireless charging stops working good thing is at&t will exhange it but you have to press that the issue is the phone not the accesories. Overall is the best phone i have had since my sgs3
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Some reviews say G3 is better, some say M8 is better. So I can't decide on one.
The only thing holding me back from the G3 is the lag. I got into some G3 threads and it seems the phone really lags in gaming too. If the lag wasn't there, G3 was the better phone obviously. I can't wait for the G4 because I'm getting these for cheap.
I don't want lag in ANY game or app. :/
With stock based custom rom I don't have lag.
With aosp based rom is incredibly fast.
I have both (actually my wife has the M8).
G3 pros
1) better camera
2) better screen
3) better in hand sensation
4) more updates (about 3 in 3 months)
edios123 said:
Some reviews say G3 is better, some say M8 is better. So I can't decide on one.
The only thing holding me back from the G3 is the lag. I got into some G3 threads and it seems the phone really lags in gaming too. If the lag wasn't there, G3 was the better phone obviously. I can't wait for the G4 because I'm getting these for cheap.
I don't want lag in ANY game or app. :/
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I really dont understand why people say theres lag in games? i have this phone and dont get any lag in games at all and im on a stock rom too, personally i think G3 is a better phone than the m8, screens bigger with great screen to bezel ratio, quality of the screen is better imo, battery life maybe isnt better as this phone has a bigger screen and higher resolution screen (btw watch a high def movie on the LG G3 and it looks amazing). i bought my LG G3 for £280 brand new sim unlocked, for that price you cant go wrong.
I think the screen on the G3 is really good. It's what I liked the first time I seen it. Not that it was big but because it looked so clear. I used to calibrate displays and I think overall its one of the best screens I've seen on a phone. It definitely lacks black level but makes up for it everywhere else. Sharpness is now modifiable.
-A modified G3 can reach the M8 in benchmarks so speed may be comparable.
-A modified G3 can reach 80fps in Quadrant benchmarks.
-The G3 has a good camera and great third party app.
My parents both have an M8 as per my suggestion. I think they are great phones but I'm not sorry for choosing the G3 for myself, except for those great speakers the M8 has. Those speakers are just awesome!
Overall the build quality is totally different between the two based on materials used but the G3 isn't as bad as a Samsung.
jhonyp said:
With stock based custom rom I don't have lag.
With aosp based rom is incredibly fast.
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Will I miss any good feature in AOSP? Is it completely stable?
diegodbm said:
I have both (actually my wife has the M8).
G3 pros
1) better camera
2) better screen
3) better in hand sensation
4) more updates (about 3 in 3 months)
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How's the performance between the two?
sofir786 said:
I really dont understand why people say theres lag in games? i have this phone and dont get any lag in games at all and im on a stock rom too, personally i think G3 is a better phone than the m8, screens bigger with great screen to bezel ratio, quality of the screen is better imo, battery life maybe isnt better as this phone has a bigger screen and higher resolution screen (btw watch a high def movie on the LG G3 and it looks amazing). i bought my LG G3 for £280 brand new sim unlocked, for that price you cant go wrong.
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Are you sure that every game runs smoothly on it? I'm asking because there's even a dedicated thread for reducing the lag.
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I think the screen on the G3 is really good. It's what I liked the first time I seen it. Not that it was big but because it looked so clear. I used to calibrate displays and I think overall its one of the best screens I've seen on a phone. It definitely lacks black level but makes up for it everywhere else. Sharpness is now modifiable.
-A modified G3 can reach the M8 in benchmarks so speed may be comparable.
-A modified G3 can reach 80fps in Quadrant benchmarks.
-The G3 has a good camera and great third party app.
My parents both have an M8 as per my suggestion. I think they are great phones but I'm not sorry for choosing the G3 for myself, except for those great speakers the M8 has. Those speakers are just awesome!
Overall the build quality is totally different between the two based on materials used but the G3 isn't as bad as a Samsung.
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Please be honest, if you were given a second chance, which one would you choose? Can I make the G3 run flawlessly as an HTC One M8 in everything?
I have a Nexus 7 2013 with a custom ROM and while it used to be fast, now it's not satisfactory for me. It's still fast, but I see some occasional stutter and games don't run smoothly. I don't need other slow device.
edios123 said:
Will I miss any good feature in AOSP? Is it completely stable?
How's the performance between the two?
Are you sure that every game runs smoothly on it? I'm asking because there's even a dedicated thread for reducing the lag.
Please be honest, if you were given a second chance, which one would you choose? Can I make the G3 run flawlessly as an HTC One M8 in everything?
I have a Nexus 7 2013 with a custom ROM and while it used to be fast, now it's not satisfactory for me. It's still fast, but I see some occasional stutter and games don't run smoothly. I don't need other slow device.
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Yes im sure, i play graphic intensive games such as Colin McRae rally, Dead Trigger 2, Nova 3. No lag, i do use a custom kernel though.
edios123 said:
Will I miss any good feature in AOSP? Is it completely stable?
How's the performance between the two?
Are you sure that every game runs smoothly on it? I'm asking because there's even a dedicated thread for reducing the lag.
Please be honest, if you were given a second chance, which one would you choose? Can I make the G3 run flawlessly as an HTC One M8 in everything?
I have a Nexus 7 2013 with a custom ROM and while it used to be fast, now it's not satisfactory for me. It's still fast, but I see some occasional stutter and games don't run smoothly. I don't need other slow device.
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M8 smoother, but I prefer g3.
There's something about it that I really love.
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At the moment aosp based roms are on nightlys but stables versions are coming next days.
I miss camera quality and knock code
In all honest though you really need to ask yourself, how future proof are you these days anyway?
Chances are if you buy a new phone, it'll be outdated in a month because there will already be talks of a new model with a better processor and some revolutionary features.
Let's put it this way, I was in your situation a while ago too. I was using a Nexus 5 for a little over a year and just wanted something new. My first 2 choices were the M8 and the OnePlus one, then eventually I factored in the G3. It wasn't even on my radar to begin with!
In the end I chose the G3 because of the QHD screen, removable battery and microSD card support. Sure unibody phones look great, but I just have never liked the idea of the battery being sealed in. What if the battery you get is faulty? You'll need to replace the entire phone. Sure that's an extreme case but it can happen.
Take my post with a grain of salt because I don't value gaming performance, but with lollipop on the G3 it's plenty fast for me. I really don't think you can go wrong with either phone.
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Some reviews say G3 is better, some say M8 is better. So I can't decide on one.
The only thing holding me back from the G3 is the lag. I got into some G3 threads and it seems the phone really lags in gaming too. If the lag wasn't there, G3 was the better phone obviously. I can't wait for the G4 because I'm getting these for cheap.
I don't want lag in ANY game or app. :/
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What kind on game are you looking to run to see if i can download it and test it out? I don't do much gaming on the phone just cause i have no time to game on it, all i have are some pick up and play games that entertaing for like 5min
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edios123 said:
I'm getting a new phone soon, and I'm stuck between the LG G3 and HTC One M8. I know this is the G3 forum but I hope I'll get honest suggestions from here.
Can someone please honestly answer my questions:
1. Since I'm coming from the Moto X 2014, I need a fast enough and future proof (duh, till 2016 Jun) phone. I sold it because the screen was fragile, display was so yellowish to my liking, camera wasn't good, no dev support, poor headphone output, poor battery and tempered glass protectors won't even fit properly. My question is, is the G3 really fast enough for the period I stated above? I don't want any lag or frame rate issues on my phone, even with games like MC5 or any other GPU demanding game.
2. How's the battery of the phone? I know about the stock figures, but with a custom ROM, and custom kernel, how many SOT can you get?
3. How's the headphone output? Is it comparable to the One M8 after some tweaking?
4. I don't mind chaging the screen resolution to 1080p, but after changing it, is the phone completely stable? I don't need bugs or any stability issues.
I really like the G3 for its screen size and camera (camera isn't a big priority though), a GB of RAM extra, bezel less design. While, the HTC M8 is cheaper, with some good Harman Kardon earphones, much better speakers, better performance.
Help me out please!
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I was in a similar situation when I sold my Moto X due to the same issues you mentioned above, though it was primarily due to the hideous AMOLED screen on the MOTO X which had burn-in issues just after 20 days of usage. Even my replacement unit got that in mere 10 days. It was the navbar that was visible under white/grey backgrounds.
I chose G3 over M8 after trying them in Chroma and other retail stores:
1. Much better screen to body ratio. The bezels are extremely slim and the phone looks sexy. Compare that to the M8, its as tall as the G3 but that is to accommodate those boomsound speakers.
2. Though it has to power a higher resolution screen, the latter lasts me 1.5 to 2 days since I consider myself a light user. It'll easily last you a day even with heavy use.
3. Camera is awesome! M8 stands no chance with its ultrapixel cam. The focus is insanely fast due to the laser focus which may seem gimmiky unless you use it and see it for yourself.
4. Though plastic, its pretty well built.
5. Removable battery, personal preference after using the MOTO X.
6. Gorgeous screen and I'm sure you'll see the difference when you use it over 1080p screen.
7. After sales of LG is light years ahead than HTC in our country. People all over India curse HTC for opting a 3rd party vendor for its after sales service. I've had an instance when I had to deal with them and I made sure it was the last. I've used Nexus 4 and 5 and found LG's after sales to be much better and their repair cost is also reasonable.
8. LG has come a long way in dealing with S/W updates and they have bettered HTC and many other OEM's in this area. I'm pretty optimistic that we will receive an update to 6.0 or whatever they name it.
Some points to consider:
1. The lags that you hear/read about were of 4.4.4 days and LG has done a good job with 5.0 making it pretty much lag free.
2. You WILL notice the speed difference between near stock Android of Moto X over custom LG skin but its something that you'll get use to in a matter of days.
3. I've used M8 a couple of times in retail store and its a wee bit faster compared to G3.
4. Though it happens rarely, the LG screen fails to respond to touch inputs. It mostly happens in the lower bottom area and many have reported this. Since 5.0 update, this issue is almost gone and I've come across it only once after the update. No need to worry about it and its certainly not a deal breaker. I've been using the phone since Dec 2014 and have encountered this 4-5 times and only once after the 5.0 update.
5. M8 with its boomsound speakers is clearly a winner when it comes to audio quality but G3's audio aint puny either. It's got decent amount of punch and should be enough for daily usage unless you plan use your phone to watch a lot of videos/movies.
Hope the above helps you in deciding. Every phone has its own compromises/cons and eventually you need to decide which ones you can live with. Cheers! :highfive:
I owned both (M8 for a couple of months and G3 till now) and i can say G3 is clearly the winner out there.Theres a simple reason.
If you have checked the recent GMA (global mobile awards ) in category 5 (best mobile handsets ) there were 2 winners :
Apple iphone 6 + LG G3. I havent seen any samsung or nexus or htc devices . So i am glad that i kept my G3 .
The judges comments :
“Affordable excellence with winning design – its edge-to-edge screen offers the best quality mobile viewing experience around today.”

[UPDATE] HTC M8 to LG G4: My Honest Experience In-depth

PREFACE: I don't know when was the last time I used a non-rooted phone and a completely stock ROM. My last android devices were HTC Desire S > HTC One M7 > HTC One M8. So you can guess I am a big fan of HTC's build quality, sound quality, lately user interface etc. The only sector HTC couldn't shine for me, ever, was camera quality. It's not that their cameras are horrible, it's just that always there is something missing. M7 had pink tint issue & M8 camera used to take good pictures but Megapixel becomes an issue when u use a camera in day to day life. Well decision of joining LG league was a big leap for me. I am quite sure you all know all the little details & specs of G4, so I will not go for specs. Neither I am going to read the same script saying all the goods about G4 like many youtubers. I will share what experience I have gathered during my short time playing (almost 3 days) with LG G4. I will try to divide my each category into Pros & Cons. So let's begin.
1. BUILD:
Pros:
- Leather back has a good grip and attractive design.
- Feels slim in hand and maintains the curve of the face while talking.
- Big but not uncomfortable. In fact all those saying, this device is big but doesn't feel so, are 100% true. I have used HTC Desire 816 for a short time & I can ensure you G4 doesn't feel as big as 816.
Cons:
- As I am used to having cases on my previous devices, using without one makes me insecure sometimes dropping the phone, not due to slipperiness, but due to thin profile (which is not actually a bad thing).
- Doesn't feel as expansive as S6 Edge or M8, but doesn't feel cheap at all.
2. DISPLAY:
Pros:
- Very good quality - sharp & crisp.
- Good backlight in outdoors.
- Colour reproduction very accurate.
Cons:
- 720p videos looks dull. 1080p and above are ok.
3. CAMERA & GALLERY:
Pros:
- Everything you already know.
Cons:
- No Resolution choosing option.
- No 360 panaroma option.
- You have to touch right above the dialer for changing the manual control options, anywhere else will switch between front & back camera, which takes time to get used to as the dialer is not that wide.
- OIS very aggressive in video mode. Videos seem to be stretch at corners which is not very pleasant. Audio quality is not good enough too. Voice seems to have no depth.
- No option for choosing which albums you want to show in "Albums" section in gallery, so some random folders containing random images i.e. music folder, app folder show in the "Albums" and you cannot hide them which is possible in Sense gallery. One other tiny pick - when u open an image, all the options are on the upper part of the screen which is not accessible with one hand. It was located below the photo is Sense gallery. Otherwise gallery is a nice one.
4. AUDIO:
Pros:
- Loud & clear. I think louder than M8. One of the loudest and good quality speaker I have ever used in a smartphone.
- No problem enjoying youtube and music videos.
Cons:
- Not as clear as M8 in a very few occasions. (Not due to blocking by palm)
- Bass almost absent.
- Facing to the wrong direction.
- Not much appealing while listening to music on speaker.
5. CHARGING & BATTERY LIFE:
Pros:
- Only phone I have ever used which if I leave idly at 100%, after 2-3 hours I will get is back at 99-100%. (wifi & mobile data off, 1-2 calls maybe) Very much impressed with the stand by time of the G4.
Cons:
- Poor charging speed, even with the provided LG charger & cable. Fastest I have found when I switch off the phone. Couldn't try with any quick charger yet.
- Battery drains drastically even with only wifi (2mbps connection, don't lough, i know) as if it is connected to 3g mobile data connection. It's like 1% drain in 1-3 minutes. M8 was much better in such scenario. Some people, of course, saying that this condition improves over time. Can't verify though as never before used a LG phone.
[UPDATE: Switch off auto-brightness. You will see much improvement of the battery. Although I have changed my first device and brought another one & I actually found this device to be better in battery management than previous one. Sorry, not speaking scientifically though.]
[UPDATE 2: Charging problem seems to have solved in the newer device.]
6. HEATING ISSUE:
- Charge your phone first to 100% (switching off) right after you buy the phone.
- I have had serious heating issue for the first 2 days. It's not that it used to become untouchable, in fact you will feel no heat on the back, rather I lifted the phone to my cheek to talk, it almost made red flush on my cheek.
- Things seem to have improved now. I think heating issue will resolve automatically in time.
[UPDATE: As I exchanged my previous G4, new one seems not to have such heating issue from the get-go. Although I need to use it for a few more days to confirm.]
7. PERFORMANCE & UI:
a) Call quality & Phone app:
- Must tick the "noise suppression" & "voice clarity" option in "settings > call". Person hearing you will find significant improvement bcoz of this.
- Phone app doesn't seem quite bad. I was actually bragging on the fact that HTC Sense has the best intelligence in merging and organizing phone contacts. No AOSP or even Google's built-in phone app has the same level of intelligence. But LG seems to have done better with this (although not as good as HTC, but better than others).
- But no "Remove Duplicates" option is a bummer for me.
- Also no "Default Tab" option (i.e. whenever you open the app, a selected tab e.g. recent / dialer will open first) is a disadvantage for me.
- Rather than making a seperate dialer tab, if LG would make a dialer floating button like lollipop's stock dialer, IMO it would be better.
b) Messaging:
- Here's a quick tip. If you coming from a old phone & trying to recover all the messages by some app, at first merge your contacts in the people app. Otherwise your messaging app will freeze quite often.
- Messaging app seems quite nice.
- Customization options are very limited. Provided background wallpapers and bubbles are very childish. And you cannot apply new theme which is weird in 2015 where HTC & Samsung have gone far ahead in this segment.
c) RAM management:
- You will not be happy. I am not saying the phone will freeze now and then, but LG G4 is not doing well in this segment. Don't know it's Lg's or Lolllipop's fault.
[UPDATE: With my newer G4, didn't actually feel any lagging or difficulty yet. Although I didn't restore all my apps yet. I will update if anything changes.]
d) Performance issues: (updated)
- Sometimes misses a few taps. But I don't think it's any LCD issue. It seems to me that deafult ROM isn't as fluid as HTC's or Samsung's or Apple's. Maybe Lollipop has also something to do with it. But I definitey think this will improve in custom ROMs (if & when they will be available )
e) Other things:
- Missing Sense 7 very much. Nothing can beat the integrate themes in Sense 7. No idea why LG almost completely opted it. Yah theme is there, but very limited like IOS.
- And also missing "swipe to lock" feature. Many-a-times swiping the nav bar subconsciously.
- No root or unlock bootloader yet for my H815T. It's causing hell on me. I am not at all used to live with a unrooted locked phone. Evenn Helium doesn't quite work for LG G4.
Well I tried to cover as much and as precise as possible about my experience with G4. I think an update from LG can solve many of the issues and later stage custom ROMs can eliminate all the issues I have mentioned here as hardware-wise it is really a nice device. And LASTLY guys, if you think your device isn't performing well, go and change it, don't wait coz yah all devices may not same built. I have found significant improvement changing my older G4. Yah there may or may not be any scientific explanation, but it helps actually. Go & change yours if it seems lagging, charging slowly or overheating....
Thanks for reading. And share your thoughts.
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You must have a good one m8 and a bad G4. And i must have a bad one m8 gpe and a great G4. My stock rooted 5.1.1 m8 is a battery sucking stuttering pos. My G4 silky smooth battery sipping joy. My G4 is by far the smoothest phone I have ran to date.
I agree with some of what you've said. I used to be an HTC fanboi. I have used HTC flagships for the last 6 or 7 years. I only switched from the M8 to the G4 because the M9 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Personally I love the G4. Its a nice step up from the M8. Remember it's only been out a short time, and is still on it's initial release. When it's been tested in the public for a little time, LG will no doubt patch it to improve on things. Just give it some time.
I don't see any performance issues though. I have no delay when opening apps.
the_scotsman said:
I agree with some of what you've said. I used to be an HTC fanboi. I have used HTC flagships for the last 6 or 7 years. I only switched from the M8 to the G4 because the M9 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Personally I love the G4. Its a nice step up from the M8. Remember it's only been out a short time, and is still on it's initial release. When it's been tested in the public for a little time, LG will no doubt patch it to improve on things. Just give it some time.
I don't see any performance issues though. I have no delay when opening apps.
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Ok tell me one thing. How much RAM is used most of the time on yr device? I can find it from the floating bubble of "clean master" & it normally never comes down to 85%. And one other thing, in battery usage what takes up the most of it? Mine is screen. Secondly System. Screen almost takes double battery than System all the time. Is it normal? I mean I wanna be sure that I don't have a defective device coz exchange will be easy here in my country.
nipun1110 said:
Ok tell me one thing. How much RAM is used most of the time on yr device? I can find it from the floating bubble of "clean master" & it normally never comes down to 85%. And one other thing, in battery usage what takes up the most of it? Mine is screen. Secondly System. Screen almost takes double battery than System all the time. Is it normal? I mean I wanna be sure that I don't have a defective device coz exchange will be easy here in my country.
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Screen taking up the most battery is completely normal. The display uses more battery than anything else by a LONG way.
And by design Android will use most of the RAM available. It will leave apps sitting in memory, so they can be switched between quickly. It's not supposed to have a lot of spare free RAM. Free RAM is a waste in simple Android terms.
the_scotsman said:
Screen taking up the most battery is completely normal. The display uses more battery than anything else by a LONG way.
And by design Android will use most of the RAM available. It will leave apps sitting in memory, so they can be switched between quickly. It's not supposed to have a lot of spare free RAM. Free RAM is a waste in simple Android terms.
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Thanks a lot. But it seems to me whenever RAM crossing 87-88%, it starts stuttering.
the_scotsman said:
Screen taking up the most battery is completely normal. The display uses more battery than anything else by a LONG way.
And by design Android will use most of the RAM available. It will leave apps sitting in memory, so they can be switched between quickly. It's not supposed to have a lot of spare free RAM. Free RAM is a waste in simple Android terms.
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One other thing, can u say one thing that, I am using a Singapore/Australia model, ok?? Does it have anything to do with my battery drain?
That's nothing to do with it.
Howe low long have you had it? You'd have to post a screenshot of your power usage for us to comment on it further.
Same boat here. M8 to red leather G4. For now Im really liking the G4 in all but in two major aspects; one is the bad battery life compared to M8 (no more over 7hour screen on times ) and the other is bad audio quality. In audio it just cant match M8 neither on speaker (obviosly), headphones or bluetooth audio. I could live with the ok audio and loud but tinny speaker but the bt-audio streaming is something horrible :/. Cant listen to music from the phone in my car anymore . I dont have heat or bad lag issues but then again it might be the launcher and/or the other apps that I use dont cause that much lag. But I really really like the camera and the screen. Oh man if M9 had screen (not the resolution but the colors and outside readability) and camera like this I would have ordered it straight away.
Pyrres said:
Same boat here. M8 to red leather G4. For now Im really liking the G4 in all but in two major aspects; one is the bad battery life compared to M8 (no more over 7hour screen on times ) and the other is bad audio quality. In audio it just cant match M8 neither on speaker (obviosly), headphones or bluetooth audio. I could live with the ok audio and loud but tinny speaker but the bt-audio streaming is something horrible :/. Cant listen to music from the phone in my car anymore . I dont have heat or bad lag issues but then again it might be the launcher and/or the other apps that I use dont cause that much lag. But I really really like the camera and the screen. Oh man if M9 had screen (not the resolution but the colors and outside readability) and camera like this I would have ordered it straight away.
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You are having 7 hours screen on time??? OMG I am hardly getting 3.5 hours!!!!
the_scotsman said:
I agree with some of what you've said. I used to be an HTC fanboi. I have used HTC flagships for the last 6 or 7 years. I only switched from the M8 to the G4 because the M9 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Personally I love the G4. Its a nice step up from the M8. Remember it's only been out a short time, and is still on it's initial release. When it's been tested in the public for a little time, LG will no doubt patch it to improve on things. Just give it some time.
I don't see any performance issues though. I have no delay when opening apps.
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How did you handle the transition from a more mature user interface ?
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nipun1110 said:
OMG I am hardly getting 3.5 hours!!!!
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What is your screen brightness set to indoors ? or is it on auto brightness.
liked the comparison with desire 816 for size, that one is so much bigger for the same screen.
People still use those memory cleaners?
That is what's causing your lag and battery drain.
Android is DESIGNED to keeps apps in memory to reduce cpu time to open it again. By cleaning the memory you are forcing the phone to do extra work that it normally wouldn't have to do when opening an app. Android will automatically clear memory that it needs to do something else.
Your phone will feel fastest and perform the best when your ram usage is between 50 and 80 percent.
nipun1110 said:
You are having 7 hours screen on time??? OMG I am hardly getting 3.5 hours!!!!
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With m8 the longest screen on time was over 14hours when reading a book inside with everything on and no battery savers on. Average was something like 5 hours. With G4 i get maybe 4-5hours SOT if Im careful. Oh and screen brightness is set to 65-70 with auto in both phones.
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I already exchanged the phone from the retailer with another one. Will check this one carefully. Right now doing the first charge switching off the phone. I will report later on. BTW I found avoiding autobrightness is a good option. Adjust the brightness whenever necessary.
And what is your usual setting indoors ? mention the number..
auto is the most efficient but its dimmer.
One Twelve said:
And what is your usual setting indoors ? mention the number..
auto is the most efficient but its dimmer.
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Check this link & u will find auto brightness is not that helpful, rather killing battery & I personally saw an improvement killing it.
http://www.androidpit.com/how-to-save-battery-life
Check this link for my at present battery update of New G4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61214824
nipun1110 said:
Check this link for my at present battery update of New G4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61214824
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Ok, so you use your phone with a screen brightness of 50% indoors.
Some use more others use less. this plays a factor.
Good to see that you have noticed an improvement with the replacement but its annoying to have to exchange devices like this. You're not the only one, i've heard similar stories from a couple of others as well.
One Twelve said:
Ok, so you use your phone with a screen brightness of 50% indoors.
Some use more others use less. this plays a factor.
Good to see that you have noticed an improvement with the replacement but its annoying to have to exchange devices like this. You're not the only one, i've heard similar stories from a couple of others as well.
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yah I have seen many posts of such. But I am really enjoying my new device. Even charging problem also solved. But man, u gotta switch off the auto brightness - take my opinion.
Good read. Glad some issues are fixed with the newer unit.
It is odd there is a fixed resolution with each ratio. But whatever, I leave it on 16x9 lol
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HTC 10 vs. S7 Overall opinions

So a few reviews are out and so far it looks like HTC finally hit it out of the park. Was wondering what everyone's overall opinion is. I personally will be switching to the HTC 10 if the S7 doesn't receive unlock/root within the next 4-5 months.
The built in DAC and Amp are a huge selling point for me. Only real downside is the lack of AMOLED.
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I'm quite surprised by the 10. I come from a HTC background with the One X, M7, M8 and M9 before switching to the S7 so I'm quite surprised the specs are pretty similar.
I think the water resistance of the S7 is a bonus but until we see battery life reviews and how much screen on time the 10 can deliver, it's too close to call. Year on year HTC state that the camera will improve but I think it still won't rival the S7.
In terms of root, sure you can get an unlocked bootloader with HTC but I've been surprised that living without root is relatively easy, the only annoyance is ads, but most other features can be provided by 3rd party apps or other workarounds.
kash20 said:
I'm quite surprised by the 10. I come from a HTC background with the One X, M7, M8 and M9 before switching to the S7 so I'm quite surprised the specs are pretty similar.
I think the water resistance of the S7 is a bonus but until we see battery life reviews and how much screen on time the 10 can deliver, it's too close to call. Year on year HTC state that the camera will improve but I think it still won't rival the S7.
In terms of root, sure you can get an unlocked bootloader with HTC but I've been surprised that living without root is relatively easy, the only annoyance is ads, but most other features can be provided by 3rd party apps or other workarounds.
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I don't think there will be third party workarounds to block YouTube ads, but yea living without root isn't that bad, but i still miss a bunch of root features.
So far the reviews say that the HTC 10 "easily lasts a full day" for battery, but yea I'd like to see what SOT people are getting. For me the big deal is that audio experience. I had the HTC Rezound and the M8 and HTC definitely is the best in smartphone audio. I listen to lots of music with my phone so that really matters a lot to me.
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I too am very impressed with what I see on the HTC 10. I don't know that it will be worth switching too. But it looks like a very nice device. If there is one complaint I have with the S7, its the DAC. I could use another 10-15% of volume.
Other than samsung & carrier bloat like FB and instagram, I have no complaints. I did read that HTC got paid to put FB and Instagram on the HTC 10 as well, add the carrier bloat to it if you don't buy unlocked and there probably will not be a big difference between the 2.
kash20 said:
the only annoyance is ads
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Try this https://block-this.com/
I think lg should take a look at htc on how to do a metal phone right. That's a nice bevel on the 10, but its typical htc design and it doesn't really wow me.
HTC 10 pros:
- developer-friendly, developer friendly, developer-friendly,
- light Android customization with little bloat, faster updates
- USB-C,
- better DAC,
- Quick charge 3.0 (s7 is QC 2.0 only),
- unlocked version supports wifi calling and volte (where applicable),
- metal body,
- 1 year uh-oh protection with easy replacement (where available)
S7 pros:
- better camera based on available comparison photos (HTC may improve with updates , but on 1 side-by-side sample, glare on HTC 10 is much worse and that can't be fixed by software),
- IP68 water resistance,
- wireless charging
- 9h SOT achievable (my personal experience)
Unfortunately for me, camera and water resistance rank as high as developer-friendliness, so it's still a tough decision for me.
lost_ said:
S7 pros:
- better camera based on available comparison photos (HTC may improve with updates , but on 1 side-by-side sample, glare on HTC 10 is much worse and that can't be fixed by software),
- IP68 water resistance,
- wireless charging
- 9h SOT achievable (my personal experience)
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- better looking
- Samsung AMOLED display
CafeKampuchia said:
- better looking
- Samsung AMOLED display
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I'd argue that the look is subjective. I like both.
I'd also add that HTC tends to be a lot better at software updates than Samsung.
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lost_ said:
S7 pros:
- better camera based on available comparison photos (HTC may improve with updates , but on 1 side-by-side sample, glare on HTC 10 is much worse and that can't be fixed by software)
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I've read a few of the HTC 10 reviews that are up this morning and it sounds like the 10's camera is great but not the equal of the S7/S7E's camera. It also seems that the same could be said of the battery, though I've not seen anything very scientific yet.
It's good to see HTC back in the game but I'll stick with the S7 due to its camera and the overall HTC support in my country is not that good anyways. Not an audiophile here so I don't know if the DAC in the Exynos version will do better or at least on par with the HTC 10's dedicated DAC but I'm pretty sure that the DAC on the Exynos is better than the Qualcomm 820 version since it's from Cirrus Logic, the company who bought the Wolfson Microelectronics.
lost_ said:
HTC 10 pros:
- developer-friendly, developer friendly, developer-friendly,
- light Android customization with little bloat, faster updates
- USB-C,
- better DAC,
- Quick charge 3.0 (s7 is QC 2.0 only),
- unlocked version supports wifi calling and volte (where applicable),
- metal body,
- 1 year uh-oh protection with easy replacement (where available)
S7 pros:
- better camera based on available comparison photos (HTC may improve with updates , but on 1 side-by-side sample, glare on HTC 10 is much worse and that can't be fixed by software),
- IP68 water resistance,
- wireless charging
- 9h SOT achievable (my personal experience)
Unfortunately for me, camera and water resistance rank as high as developer-friendliness, so it's still a tough decision for me.
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I totally agree with your points.. I still have the Galaxy S4 (AT&T rooted running Lollipop) and will wait a few months to make a decision. The audio is not a big factor for me. To listen to music I either bluetooth stream to my Bose radio or use headphones. Can't understand how someone can listen to media on phone speakers, unless it is a necessity and in rare cases.
EEMene said:
Can't understand how someone can listen to media on phone speakers, unless it is a necessity and in rare cases.
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+1 I've always thought it was misguided marketing to spend so much time and energy trying to pretend that a handset is a useful piece of audio equipment. In the end, I wonder how many customers they have retained with BoomSound vs. Samsung's cameras and AMOLED displays.
That having been said, if anything can pry this S7 out of my hands, it would be the 10 (or the upcoming HTC Nexus device). Though the 10 doesn't look as nice, it's still pretty good looking and the software experience & support will be better, not to mention unlockable bootloader.
As an S6 owner, I will fully concede that Samsung is the king of smartphone cameras.
However, I listen to music almost all day, every day, so I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of image quality from the camera (the sample photos from the 10 still look pretty great) to get that vastly superior audio experience on the 10.
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eMMC (why the heck would they go with eMMC when UFS 2.0 is available?) and lack of anything to really make it different from other phones (S7 has Gear VR and IP68, while the LG G5 has those "cool" add-ons). Not sure why they wouldn't build a competitor to the Gear VR and make it better (HTC Vive is awesome).
This is already out:
Whatever the case, overall battery life between the Galaxy S7 and HTC 10 are going to be similar, although how similar is going to be workload dependent and the bin of the SoC you end up getting. If your workload is almost purely display-bound, the Galaxy S7 seems to come out on top. If your usage is more mixed and primarily stresses the CPU like our 2016 web browsing test, the HTC 10 will edge out the Galaxy S7 and iPhone 6s by a nose.
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They did not test it against an Exynos 8890 S7.
Source: AnandTech
Toss3 said:
eMMC (why the heck would they go with eMMC when UFS 2.0 is available?) and lack of anything to really make it different from other phones (S7 has Gear VR and IP68, while the LG G5 has those "cool" add-ons). Not sure why they wouldn't build a competitor to the Gear VR and make it better (HTC Vive is awesome).
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See the article above which also has NAND read/write results. Apparently someone at HTC knew what they were doing.
Outside of battery life, one inevitable question is whether the HTC 10's eMMC is a detriment to the device.
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In this test at least, write performance of the HTC 10 is 75% greater than the Samsung MLC UFS solution in the Galaxy S7 due to the use of an SLC write cache. However, sequential reads on the Galaxy S7 are about 35% higher than what they are on the HTC 10.
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CafeKampuchia said:
This is already out:They did not test it against an Exynos 8890 S7.
Source: AnandTech
See the article above which also has NAND read/write results. Apparently someone at HTC knew what they were doing.
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Those results are worthless as they say themselves: "Unfortunately with Android 6 AndroBench 3.6 has broken timers yet again leading to wildly inaccurate figures for performance, and AndroBench 4 varies significantly from run to run for random read and write so for now we really can only disclose sequential figures with any level of confidence that these are comparable to AndroBench 3.6 and StorageBench performance figures.". I'm getting way better results on my S7 than what Anandtech are reporting anyhow. Androbench isn't really to be trusted if the results deviate between runs. Also the only results that matter are random reads and writes for 4KB (OS speed) and those are missing.
This pic explains why UFS 2.0 is better than eMMC 5.1:
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I'm getting way better results on my S7 than what Anandtech are reporting anyhow.
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Probably because you have an Exynos SoC whereas the one tested has an SD820 SoC.
Obviously it is all subjective. But one thing is clear, HTC stepped their game up. Samsung vs HTC used to be a common thing on xda every year since the HTC one X days but then htc fell off and LG came to life. Well the "rivalry" is back in effect cause HTC is offering a very compelling device. I think both devices cancel each other out in terms of features, maybe the S7 has a couple more features but overall it comes down to what you want.....except when you factor in the Exynos SoC. The Exynos S7 trumps the HTC 10 without a doubt. S820 vs S820 and It becomes a much tougher call. Just my opinion.
HTC 10 Pros over the S7 (according to me):
- Blink feed!!!! I absolutely love it
- Better audio hands down.
- More development friendly (assuming)
- Better front facing camera with OIS
- USB Type C is the future
- Micro SD slot up to 2TB
S7 pros over the 10 (according to me again):
- IP 68 certified
- Wireless charging
- Better camera overall (after watching almost all the reviews it seems pretty clear)
- Head phone jack at the bottom
- noticeably smaller footprint despite almost having the same size display.
Even pros:
Fast charging, Great build quality, Great displays (even though the S7 display is considered to be the best it always is a matter of opinion. Some don't like saturated colors), Solid battery life, SD slot, fingerprint scanner, Great performance, software is another matter of tastes (some love multiwindow and the valued added features that touchwiz offers) .
Personally I prefer the S7. No I haven't used the HTC 10 but I'm saying that based on the reviews I have read. I own the Exynos S7 and 6 hours of screen on time is like drinking water, its a common thing, I never get less than that. Performance is absolutely stellar, and since I have the Exynos version, mine is rooted and has a custom rom so I'm all good. Still my geek side is interested on the HTC 10. But if both phones were announced on the same day, knowing what I know now, I would pick the S7 just because it's the one that is more well rounded, has a slightly better camera and IP 68 certification alongside that Exynos SoC and killer battery life. All this makes this phone the benchmark of 2016. I won't get something else unless it trumps this S7 Exynos. New releases create lots of excitement for us geek but it's important to know what you have and how much you would miss it if you let it go. I can't part ways with my S7 right now, I just cannot.
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barondebxl said:
I own the Exynos S7 and 6 hours of screen on time is like drinking water, its a common thing, I never get less than that. Performance is absolutely stellar, and since I have the Exynos version, mine is rooted and has a custom rom so I'm all good.
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6 hours SOT with which ROM please?
TomasDrabek said:
6 hours SOT with which ROM please?
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6 hours of scresm on time with stock, no rom needed. Sometimes i reach 7 hours
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