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Moto X Cons/Pros IMO
Hi, this can be a base for new Moto X users coming from other smartphones.
Pros
1. Moto X has one of the smoothest and fastest Android experience you'll have with any smartphone today.
If you're coming from a non-nexus smartphone, you'll definitely feel that. Everything just works in Moto X. It's the smartphone with the nearest experience of an iPhone in terms of speed and smoothness.
2. Moto X feels great in hand. It has the perfect size for a smartphone.
3. Screen size is perfect, you can reach every corner without a hassle.
Although some users might feel the difference coming from a bigger screen, you'll definately get used to it in no time.
4. Good materials, it feels like you're holding a really well made product. Not just plastic stuff.
5. Twist to fast access to camera is great.
I'm still getting used to it, but accessing the camera without even touching the screen is very handy. I thought it would be too much of a hassle to do that movement every time, but it turns out you get used to it very fast, and that's pretty easy.
6. Touchless Control.
Although it's almost useless here in Brazil, I'll include that because is it's really useful for the main languages that it includes. I still use it to showoff though. :victory:
7. The speaker is one of the best I've listened so far.
It's one of the loudest, its quality is pretty good. Basses are good too.
8. Battery life is superb.
It lasts for your entire day and even a little bit more. Compared to my last phone, a S3, I can really feel the difference.
9. Battery charges really fast.
Within 2 hours or so, my Moto X charges from 0% to 100% with stock wall charger. Considering its battery time, it's an amazingly fast charge: 2 hours charge for a 24h+ usage. My S3 used to charge in 5h+
10. Fast updates.
This is not something that will certainly happen, but it seems Motorola is committed to bring us Android OS updates and improvements updates really quickly. Although it has not been released for my Moto X here in Brazil yet, it's been released for the Moto X faster than the Nexus devices. Let's hope they keep it like that for some years, and not just because it's the momentum smartphone.
11. Active Notifications.
The best thing invented after the wheel, don't have to say anything about this.
Cons
1. Onscreen buttons takes too much space.
Although Moto X screen size is perfect, its virtual buttons takes a lot of that space, and you might feel a big hit when coming from a 4.8/5" phone that has its entire dedicated screen.
2. Camera is terrible.
Coming from a S3, I definitely felt a big hit here. Camera takes a big time to shoot photos; it takes too long to focus; it takes pics with different tonality every time, it's even hard to shoot 2 similar photos from 2 different angles. Below is an example of that.
Camera software is not the best aswell. We don't have night mode, quality/px choice, effects, and so on.
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Those 2 pics are not edited and were shot with the Moto X camera in practically the same moment.
3. Touchless Control doesn't work everywhere.
For example in Brazil, not all the commands are available and it's just useful to call for someone and check weather predictions. Despite using it to call for someone, we don't get audio feedback for any of the commands.
4. Too thin for 2 hands usage?
That's a real real personal thought, but although Moto X has the perfect size for a one-hand feel, I'm really having a hard time typing in the keyboard and I wouldn't blame if it was a little wider. The phone is thinner than the S3, that I used to rest both hands and type, and wider than a smartphone that we can rest one hand and use the other sidewards.
But I'm really sure it's something I'll get used to within some time.
5. No sdcard slot.
I'm yet to see if this will be really a down vote to me on Moto X, but at least in my old S3, I had to use a 16gb sdcard to store some extra musics and pics. The default 16gb was not sufficient.
Well, that's it. It's a really great phone and it was for sure a great improvement coming from a S3. I do miss S3's camera and physical buttons, but despite that and the listed above, there's nothing else I can blame this phone for.
Feel free to add your own opinions, cons and pros.

I plan on getting this phone ?
Did you update your phone already? I've heard it does improve the camera picture quality drastically!
Sent from my Nexus 7

Royalfox said:
I plan on getting this phone ?
Did you update your phone already? I've heard it does improve the camera picture quality drastically!
Sent from my Nexus 7
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Yes, I'm using the lastest Jelly Bean OTA update and the lastest camera update from the Play Store.

I've added 1 item to the con and 1 to the pros that I forgot to mention.

Royalfox said:
I plan on getting this phone ?
Did you update your phone already? I've heard it does improve the camera picture quality drastically!
Sent from my Nexus 7
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I used a demo at the store (one had kitkat and one didn't), and the kitkat one was SO much better. I think this camera really competes with the other flagships now.
dicarli said:
Yes, I'm using the lastest Jelly Bean OTA update and the lastest camera update from the Play Store.
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He means Kitkat i think.

@op great pros and cons list.
My pros:
- active display
- great feel in hand
- touchless control is really impressive (even works when the phone is in your pocket and you have headphones plugged in)
- battery life
- speaker
- performance
- call quality
- twist to launcher the camera
Cons:
- display is way too over saturated
- phone is heavier than I thought
- The camera is probably the worst I have used from all the other flagship phones this year, it really is a joke.
- locked boot loader.
This phone does the phone functionalities extremely well though I must say.
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Please explain how are you cooking those hot dogs. They look delicious.
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barondebxl said:
@op great pros and cons list.
My pros:
- active display
- great feel in hand
- touchless control is really impressive (even works when the phone is in your pocket and you have headphones plugged in)
- battery life
- speaker
- performance
- call quality
- twist to launcher the camera
Cons:
- display is way too over saturated
- phone is heavier than I thought
- The camera is probably the worst I have used from all the other flagship phones this year, it really is a joke.
- locked boot loader.
This phone does the phone functionalities extremely well though I must say.
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I'm not sure if the S3 boot loader is locked aswell, but we had a lot more hacks, mods and roms to use/test on the S3 than o the Moto X.
EVOSerb said:
Please explain how are you cooking those hot dogs. They look delicious.
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It was my GF actually. I shall ask to her how she cooked that

Please do ask. Now just to find the one for my self that will cook like that LOL.
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Tottaly agree! Mostly in the voice commands, in Brasil is not useful like in the US
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Thanks OP for sharing your experience. I'd just like to elaborate on the design.
I don't really quite know how to summarize my idea, but the emphasis on user experience is so great, it's borderline criminal, and it's easily the most understated feature of the Moto X. The texture of the back feels extremely wonderful to hold that doesn't feel like cheap plastic nor cold hard aluminium. The contours (?) of the phone is curved in such a way that feels absolutely comfortable - I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola took the palm/hand profiles of many people and designed the back with it. In conjunction with that, the buttons are positioned well enough to allow me to reach for them whenever I need it. And that dent on the back cover! My finger now gravitates to that point to get a solid grab on the phone. _Finally_ I have a phone that doesn't have to depend on aluminium for that premium feel, or worse still, give UX design a middle finger and design a pile of manure (*coughsamsungcough*) for use.
I was really pleasantly surprised to find out for myself how good the speaker was. It's loud, but distortion is hardly noticeable at maximum volume. (Coming from a Galaxy Nexus, I suppose I get a bit too excited. heh) The camera's been improving steadily, thankfully, but it could use more repairs. I would appreciate it very much if I could take photos faster - the idea of twist-to-camera is kinda wasted on a slow-responding camera like this.
I have friends using the Nexus 5 beside me, and in all honesty I don't feel like I'm missing out on much. Then again, I paid a bloody premium for the phone . But seriously speaking, no regrets. At all. If I had to make the decision all over again, I'd still shoot for the Moto X. Never mind that there's no support for LTE in Malaysia or Singapore (I alternate between these two countries most frequently), or that the SD card slot is missing. I have not been so contented with a purchase in a very, very long time.

For me the biggest thing missing is wireless charging inbuilt.. the port for charging is terrible.. tests my patience every time i try to plugin charger

sravanz said:
For me the biggest thing missing is wireless charging inbuilt.. the port for charging is terrible.. tests my patience every time i try to plugin charger
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I agree. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, the plug doesn't seem to go in as firmly as the GNex did. I would have loved wireless charging, as well.

sravanz said:
For me the biggest thing missing is wireless charging inbuilt.. the port for charging is terrible.. tests my patience every time i try to plugin charger
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TheKaz said:
I agree. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, the plug doesn't seem to go in as firmly as the GNex did. I would have loved wireless charging, as well.
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I believe a member is working on making it work on his in the accessories section.

What are the chances of a QI case being released? I would be all for that.
Cannot believe incipio decided to make a powermat charging case... WHO USES POWERMAT!?

My biggest and only real complaint about the Moto X is the camera. It does not feel like it matches up to even some 2011 phone cameras.

Nice Article.
I'm loving my Moto X 'Argentina Edition' (no root yet ).
On the 'Cons 4' section I swipe a lot, and never again hold my phoine with 2 hands
While driving I can text with the mic, not sure on portuguese, but spanish works great!

OK Google Now
is so much more sensitive in 4.4. I'm using the nexus 5 gel and my phone is constantly beeping and googling my last few words. Kinda strange

I'm still on 4.2.2 but I would have to say the camera, the smaller screen size, and the color saturation of the screen.
I bought a nexus 5 earlier this month and switch between the two phones all the time. {Google apps sync everything} and those would be my main complaints. Obviously the screen size is completely subjective, but I much prefer the n5 screen. I do like the battery life, but I usually have a charger at work and at home, and both phones seem to give me more than acceptable battery life.
The biggest complaint I have is the lack of accessories, cases and screen protectors for it.
I also would like our Canadian carriers to hurry up with the 4.4 updates.
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Bottomline
GS3
Better Photos in regular lighting, and better color reproduction
Better Audio
Better Video
Better Speaker
Better GPU/CPU
Better Battery Life
Better Software
Better Gorilla Glass
Better Screen
+ Removable Batteries
+ SD Card Support
HOX
Better Photos in Low Light
More Instagram like filters...
Better Looks (They say, but this is subjective even in this picture above the GS3 looks much better personally)
More at GSM Arena
EDIT: Made some changes and corrections

I expected as much.
I believe that the key point here is that all of those differences you've listed are marginal in most areas, but having a high quality feeling and good looking phone is very important to me.
Unless those differences were huge (let's face it, they aren't), I'm struggling to look past the One X for myself.
The amount of times I'll pick up my phone and enjoy the feel of it absolutely blow away the zero times I'll care about the camera being 1% better or the phone loading a web page 000.1 second quicker.
Why can't Samsung use some intelligent designers? They really are clueless at this stuff. They've managed to make TouchWiz look even worse as well, despite adding some nice features.

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Better Storage
Removable Battery
Just read it
SGS3 is amazing
It's way way better than the HOX

haters gonna hate, where are everyone now?
GS III is purely awesome

The battery life test here is what is the most interesting. AMOLED screens use up more power than LCDs at bright colours, so it's expectable to see the S3 have only a slight margin over the HOX. The video test is the most interesting one; that's just pure obliteration beyond the 300mAh advantage. Expect the device to have on average a much better screen-on time than even that that if you optimize for the AMOLED screen, Samsung's default skin isn't quite nice in that regard. So much for Nvidia's +1 core.

This thing is proven again and again this year's best goes for samsung !! No more pointless discussion on which is the best.

GS3
So the GS3 won in Performance, Display, Battery Life, Sound Quality, Camera, Memory and most other things, in other words it mopped the floor with the One X, HTC fans are not going to like this,
Something else im impressed by is the Galaxy S2's performance in the benchmarks and Camera, absolutely incredible for a device released over a year ago, Samsung built an absolute masterpiece there.

lonelyw said:
So the GS3 won in Performance, Display, Battery Life, Sound Quality, Camera, Memory and most other things, in other words it mopped the floor with the One X, HTC fans are not going to like this,
Something else im impressed by is the Galaxy S2's performance in the benchmarks and Camera, absolutely incredible for a device released over a year ago, Samsung built an absolute masterpiece there.
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Are you the person that posted that comment? It made me cringe.
Fanboys aloof.

Dtguilds said:
Are you the person that posted that comment? It made me cringe.
Fanboys aloof.
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Lol I was reading that and I thought it's either deja vu or I've read it before
Well colour me impressed Samsung, gonna be hard deciding between the two... still don't like Touchwiz though (tried it on an ICS S2) let's see if the newer version is good enough.

Always loved touchwiz, even tho i have an P990, im sure any software issue can be fixed eventually, im more concerned about the physical issues that it may bring.

LeviathanPT said:
Always loved touchwiz, even tho i have an P990, im sure any software issue can be fixed eventually, im more concerned about the physical issues that it may bring.
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To me the home screen flinging didn't really respond to my touch, as in no matter how fast my finger moves, once I lift it it glides at its own pace. It's not very satisfying. Or maybe it was just my friend's phone that's like that...
About the defects (if that's what you mean) all phones will have some when they launch. I wait a couple months for them to iron things out.

It is extreme subjective. I have hold my buying decision when One X launched and waited for the announcement of SGS3. I still prefer SGS3 to HOX for switchable battery and microsd. They are with the same surface material. Sense UI may be better and I get used to it for years. Just wait for the arrival in my place to buy SGS3.

This is obviously a hot topic in the One X forum also. Here's what I posted there. Keep in mind I'm deciding between the two after a week or so with the SGS3. I also came from a i9100 and have a 3G UK G-Tab 10.1 so I'm no one's fanboi.
Dtguilds said:
Reviewed - So, the Galaxy S 3 IS better, but are you keeping your X?
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BarryH_GEG said:
Hmm, not really. The closing of the article summed it up best...
"Anyway, back to where we started. Two superphones, one Android crown. The HTC One X managed to come to the market first, while the Galaxy S III is a little late, but has plenty to show for it. We're tempted to play it safe and split it equal. The HTC One X: this is what a droid flagship should look like. The Samsung Galaxy S III: that's what a droid flagship should perform like. But that won't be fair to either of them. They didn't get where they are by playing it safe.
It seems obvious that the Samsung Galaxy S III wouldn't have raised as the new standard-setter without a powerful challenger like the One X. There's no consolation prize here, no second-best. A fair fight and a win-win for Android."
Some other things that struck me as relevant...
"The HTC One X is encased in a polycarbonate unibody (Gray or Black), which is matte in appearance and pleasant to the touch. The Samsung Galaxy S III is covered in glossy plastic (with Blue brushed metal look or pure white), which is durable, but not quite as nice to hold. We're not impressed by its looks either.
"On the other hand, Samsung's design allows you to change the battery allowig you to use a spare one to extend battery life or replace an old burnt-out battery with a fresh new one. Oh, and there's a microSD card slot too. Not that HTC couldn't have put a card slot into the One X, they just decided that 32GB should be enough for everyone (and it probably is)."
"Of course, not all of them are deciders. The S-Voice is a direct take on Siri, but it really fails to live up to expectations, while the NFC-based media sharing over S Beam has limited application for now. Pop-up play will rarely be used while Buddy photo share borders on useless."
So what does it come down to? Personal preference.
1) Is a removable battery and SD card slot important? Buy the SGS3.
2) Is design, construction, and feel in the hand important? Buy the One X.
3) Is low light picture and video important? Buy the One X.
4) Are more detailed pictures in bright light important? Buy the SGS3.
5) Do you like the vivid (I'm being kind) colors of AMOLED? Buy the SGS3.
6) Do you like a brighter, non-PenTile display, with more accurate color and better detailing? Buy the One X.
7) Want a better browsing experience and more audio and video codec support? Buy the SGS3.
8) Are you an avid gamer that'll be pushing the CPU and GPU regularly? Buy the SGS3.
9) Do you like TouchWiz? Buy the SGS3.
10) Do you like Sense? Buy the One X.
11) Do you listen to lossless audio over $300+ headphones or a home system that cost several thousand dollars? Pick the SGS3.
There's other differences that may matter to people but those are the main ones. I knew the SGS3 would benchmark better than the One X when I bought it. The reality is, as it stands today, the power of Teg3, S4, and Exynos-Quad are wasted because the OS and apps aren't able to tap their power. Other than bragging rights you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart performance wise; they'll "feel" the same.
My views on the main features...
1) I like the LCD2 display on the One X. After using AMOLED for a year the realistic colors, the lighter look because black backgrounds aren't used to save battery, and increased display brightness are all nice for a change.
2) The One X camera h/w is better than the SGS3's. It shows in low light settings. I'm hoping s/w tuning in future updates makes it a better all-around performer. I wouldn't ditch the One X over the camera as they don't strike me as that dramatically different from each other.
3) Audiophiles probably never considered the One X once it was announced that the SGS3 has a Wolfson DAC. An audiophile would cut off their arm before listening to compressed formats like MP3's or on anything less than high grade equipment. That makes 95% of us “non-audiophiles.” And a real audiophile would question the use of something like a smartphone as an audio output device anyway.
4) Did anyone who bought the One X not know in advance it had fixed storage and a non-replaceable battery? I'd like those features; I think anyone would. But I really like the design of the One X and if it had to look like the SGS3 in order to have them I'd pass.
5) Other than the graphics issues which are big, the One X's launch has been pretty typical from a QC perspective. I'll bet anyone here the SGS3 launch looks the same (sans graphics issues) and that display consistency will be one of the biggest *****es on their forum. The SGS2 and GN launches were far from great.
So, the short answer to OP's question, nothing in that review has changed my opinion of the One X. Look at it this way, the SGS2 crushed the Sensation. In less than a year HTC launched a phone that made GSMArena consider splitting the win. That alone is pretty impressive. Of course, YMMV and I clearly don’t expect everyone to agree with some of my comments.
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I stopped posting on the one x section, after they started calling me a troll. I don't know what exactly a troll is but I posted on 3 threads with with the words "galaxy" on the title. Im not going there to start a new thread or whatever and never have. Now that the dust has settled, lets be the bigger man.

In my own opinion these guys don't realize just how many of us have mp3 collections we want to pack on our phones. Not having the ability to get my mp3s on board makes the htc piece a non starter all by itself unless it can offset this by having an apk that makes naked supermodels spill out its guts on command.

Dtguilds said:
I expected as much.
I believe that the key point here is that all of those differences you've listed are marginal in most areas, but having a high quality feeling and good looking phone is very important to me.
Unless those differences were huge (let's face it, they aren't), I'm struggling to look past the One X for myself.
The amount of times I'll pick up my phone and enjoy the feel of it absolutely blow away the zero times I'll care about the camera being 1% better or the phone loading a web page 000.1 second quicker.
Why can't Samsung use some intelligent designers? They really are clueless at this stuff. They've managed to make TouchWiz look even worse as well, despite adding some nice features.
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differences were not huge you say?
have you seen the video comparisons?htc's looked pale as compared to sgs3's.
and the most important thing that everyone waited and wanted to know was the battery life.
"here's a curious little detail about what people are saying that amoleds use more power when displaying whites compared to other screen displays.
"The two flagships were less convincing in the browser endurance test. The HTC One X shut down just 4 hours and 18 minutes into the test and the Galaxy S III went on for 5 hours and 17 minutes. We were actually rather surprised that the S III came out on top here, knowing how badly the predominantly white web pages treat AMOLEDs.""
"Audio quality
The Samsung I9300 Galaxy s III turned out to be one of the most talented musicians around and managed to edge out the One X in the audio output quality test."
not huge difference my ...

This seems to be nearly flawless victory or smackdown (for the SIII, except screen and body imo), the photo sensor even trump the iPhone 4S. Glad to see the the audio quality is decent, that is a big factor for me.
I still don't understand Samsung decision to not use 5x5 icon rows in the home screen.

can someone explain to me why the GS3 has 4+ hour difference in movie playback? That is freakin amazing!

boodies said:
can someone explain to me why the GS3 has 4+ hour difference in movie playback? That is freakin amazing!
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the 300mah difference can't account for those 4+ hours for movie playback. lols
let those who can only attack with "ugly design" explain why the hell that is.

boodies said:
can someone explain to me why the GS3 has 4+ hour difference in movie playback? That is freakin amazing!
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Might be the amoled blacks and hardware acceleration for all codecs
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Heya, I tried to put as much information in the title and although I could easily write a wall of text here I'll try and keep it short and sweet
I was wondering if this type of topic belonged in the Q&A section.. But I believe it is more of a general discussion topic rather than something which can be solved
Please note that I am not asking which is the better phone or trying to start another flame war.. I'm just going to list my thoughts and hope that some of you can share yours!
Baseline facts:
Sony Xperia Z - Unlimited data £26pm (LTE later this year)
HTC One - Unlimited data £28pm (LTE later this year)
So, I received my Xperia Z today and to be completely honest I am not blown away by it at all (Which is actually a first for me as every phone I have ever owned has astounded me in some fashion).
I decided on it due to the overall price and the screen size (bigger is better) thinking that both were evenly matched
Okay, strait to the point.. Here is what's bothering me:
The screen size - Comparing it to my Nexus 4 (With the onscreen buttons hidden) a 4.7" screen is almost identical to a 5" screen with on screen buttons.. So one of the advantages over the HTC One is null
As the HTC one has dedicated buttons
The look - Maybe it's because I had my heart set on the HTC one or maybe its because I fell in love with the curves of the Nexus 4 but.. This just looks like a slab (Covered in fingerprints)
The feel - The phone actually kinda feels sharp / awkward when I hold and use it in one hand
Rooting worries - I've always ended up rooting and flashed every every android phone I've owned.. But I've read some horror stories about losing features (DRM and Bravia Engine). I really don't want to lose these as they are one of the few "WOW" factors this phone has
This is one worry that I'm sure could easily be put to rest by someone here
Battery life - Granted, I have been playing with it for most of the afternoon but it's lost a hell of a lot of battery in a rather short space of time. I'm not usually one to moan about battery life as I routinely charge every night but I need my phone to last all day with mid-heavy use
Notification Lag - Strangely enough while using Google+ auto-backup / instant upload feature my nexus 4 is getting notifications much faster (Minutes) than my Xperia despite the fact that the Xperia is the one uploading (Thus not in deep-sleep). Is this something anyone else is experiencing?
Speaker position - In a word.. Annoying. I've covered it more times than I can count and I've only used it a few times
Internet Lag - It seems to take about 5 seconds to switch from "H" to "H+" and then to start sending / receiving data leaving me staring at a blank page for a while.. Could be an issue with my network but I'm just throwing this out there.
Finally just general factors such as less power (Poorer specs) to the HTC One.. Almost every review site I have seen claims the HTC One is just "Better", even the camera on the HTC One is "Better" according to most of them so the Xperia really falls short on every mark.
Now the reason I posted this here is because I want to hear the opinions of those who actually own an Xperia Z and to get your opinions.. I already know what answer I'd get if I posted this over in the HTC One forums
On a side note I got one of these packaged with my Xperia Z:
http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/accessories/stereo-bluetooth-headset-sbh20/
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It's still sitting in the box along with my contract simcard, headphones, charger and screen protectors as I'm not sure if I'm going to keep them. Its a nice touch though and defiantly a plus point :victory:
I was planning on buying a bluetooth headset anyway, this one even has NFC and a much "higher-end" product than I would consider
Thanks to everyone who read this topic, I'm really not asking which one is "better" or trying to start any form of a flame war. I just want to know your opinions.. Would you switch? Why? Why not?
And please, please, please list out some positive features of the Xperia Z as I'm seriously disillusioned here
I'm talking about features, gimmicks, accessories, anything to make it standout!

Azurren said:
Okay, strait to the point.. Here is what's bothering me:
The screen size - Comparing it to my Nexus 4 (With the onscreen buttons hidden) a 4.7" screen is almost identical to a 5" screen with on screen buttons.. So one of the advantages over the HTC One is null
As the HTC one has dedicated buttons
The look - Maybe it's because I had my heart set on the HTC one or maybe its because I fell in love with the curves of the Nexus 4 but.. This just looks like a slab (Covered in fingerprints)
The feel - The phone actually kinda feels sharp / awkward when I hold and use it in one hand
Rooting worries - I've always ended up rooting and flashed every every android phone I've owned.. But I've read some horror stories about losing features (DRM and Bravia Engine). I really don't want to lose these as they are one of the few "WOW" factors this phone has
This is one worry that I'm sure could easily be put to rest by someone here
Battery life - Granted, I have been playing with it for most of the afternoon but it's lost a hell of a lot of battery in a rather short space of time. I'm not usually one to moan about battery life as I routinely charge every night but I need my phone to last all day with mid-heavy use
Notification Lag - Strangely enough while using Google+ auto-backup / instant upload feature my nexus 4 is getting notifications much faster (Minutes) than my Xperia despite the fact that the Xperia is the one uploading (Thus not in deep-sleep). Is this something anyone else is experiencing?
Speaker position - In a word.. Annoying. I've covered it more times than I can count and I've only used it a few times
Internet Lag - It seems to take about 5 seconds to switch from "H" to "H+" and then to start sending / receiving data leaving me staring at a blank page for a while.. Could be an issue with my network but I'm just throwing this out there.
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- Screen size: Can't really say anything about it since I came from the Note, and compared to that, the XZ is "a lot" smaller (Depends how much a lot is for some people)
- The looks: Just a matter of ones opinion. For me the XZ is the best phone I've seen thus far.
- The feel: Yap it could have been better
- Rooting worries: Totally bs. You will lose the things you mentioned when you unlock your Bootloader, but you don't need to that for root. And by saving your TA partition before you unlock your BL for the first time you can always re-lock it to get BE2 etc back.
- Battery life: What can we expect from a 2300 mAh battery, for that "small" capacity it's actually quite good. (Removable would've made it even better) Since the new FW the battery life has gotten worse for most people I think.
- Notification Lag: ?? No clue
- Speaker position: I Guess I'm one of the few that it doesn't bother, I use my speaker like.... once per month? Why do people complain so much about it. Listening music through such things is already bs if you're a real music lover, the only thing I use it for is like my ringtone when I receive a call. But most of the times I'm not holding my phone in my hand when I'm receiving a call so I have no problem there.
- Internet Lag: Once again no clue there.
It's a good topic you made, purely based on your own opinion, but because of that reason I also wonder why you made it in the first place.
It doesn't really add anything since (like I said before) it's purely based on an opinion.
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P.S. I also wonder why they didn't put like a dedicated button for the camera on the XZ.
You can say because of the water resistance, but the phone already has 3 buttons on the side (vol +/-, power) so I wonder if a fourth one would've mattered that much.

I also wanted to buy a HTC One instead of my XZ. The main reason why I went to the XZ is because the XZ looks in my opinion ofcource more like a buisness phone. The reason why HTC One dropped away from my list is also because it doesn't have an equalizer for my taste. As for me, I don't have a facebook nor any other social media account, so the UI of the HTC wouldn't be any handy for me. Can't say anything about the batterylife of the One because I never actually used it longer than a few mins, but the XZ's batt life is really crap compared to my Arc's. But I've managed to get it all along with automatic app killer and closed alot of apps and dimmed the screen a bit. The specs are good enough to run everything smooth, we're not going to play crysis on it. Browsing is fantastic on this phone, never lagged on the websites I browse. The screen is simply amazing especially with the new firmware. The smallapps is really something I really got used to it, can't do without them anymore. Videos and pictures are for some not good enough, but for me it's brilliant. Just need to play with the settings of the camera and got the most amazing pictures ever. Walkman and other Sony dedicated apps are also good.
Don't get me wrong, I also like the HTC One, I just don't find the htc handy enough. The Htc sense it just nothing for me, just eats alot of memory. The speakers ofc beats the XZ's speaker, but that's something nothing to worry about. Just use the headset, nobody wants to listen to your music.
As for built quality, XZ feels very solid in the hand. Drop the htc and u get the screen in pieces because the glass is edge to edge. And the Htc doesnt feel really premium quality in my hand. It has something of a toyish feeling in the hand.
Just an advice, go test the HTC One out in a local store like I did. Compare them to eachother, and you'll see what I mean. However, it's still your opinion and taste to buy the better one you think of. They are both very good phones, and blast the hell out of samsungs plastic toys.
Edit: Just browsed at thr HTC One topic and I'm actually glad I've bought the Xperis Z. Build quality sucks they say. Screen cracked easy in pocket and camera screen cracked etc. The battery ain't wow either.
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Cool, just do it we don't have to know

Dsteppa said:
- Screen size: Can't really say anything about it since I came from the Note, and compared to that, the XZ is "a lot" smaller (Depends how much a lot is for some people)
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Thanks for your comments!
Yeah I don't use the speaker for playing music but if I hear a new song or find something funny / amazing on youtube I instantly want to share that with friends and family.. What's easier than just whipping out your phone?
Thanks for clearing up the root worries, I read a few horror stories and thought it may not be worth the hassle.
This is kind of a selfish topic as I only created it because I have less than 7 days to send it back if it isn't right for me. But hopefully with people sharing their thoughts / opinions like yourself this could help other people facing the same problems!
JasonX199 said:
I also wanted to buy a HTC One instead of my XZ. The main reason why I went to the XZ is because the XZ looks in my opinion ofcource more like a buisness phone. The reason why HTC One dropped away from my list is also because it doesn't have an equalizer for my taste. As for me, I don't have a facebook nor any other social media account, so the UI of the HTC wouldn't be any handy for me.
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Thanks, I'll definitely try-out the HTC One instore. Who knows, it could feel worse to grip than the Xperia Z! I have been tweaking the camera and it's taking really nice shots even in poor light, I'll take it on some trips and see if the battery can keep up
I hadn't heard about the issues people have been having with the HTC One
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Well that's just it.. All the review sites have given me plenty of reasons to switch to the HTC One, I really hate making any decision with only half the story..
As I know I'll regret it if I ended up with the wrong device for me

The screen size
i came from iphone and previously even smaller phone, so first impressions were like ''OMG 5 inches way too big'', after using during some couple days, it fits to me naturally. the weight balance and thickness make it less big it really does
The look
i am not degrading HTC, XZ is simply more beautiful, i agree with others, its one of most design smartphone ever seen
i had a Sony Ericsson W880i before, somehow it reminds me it has some similarity between these
i honestly dont understand why people find HTC One as brilliant design, it just look pretty normal, maybe its because of full alu
actually i prefer square design over curve's one. One has some curve in its shape.
The feel actually it could be as better as worse, square design does not give good hand grip
that is the other side of the coin
Rooting worries if you were willing to root, you should accep the fact of avoiding guarantee, why not? lemme explain, rooting it will be at your own risk, Sony wouldnt prevent you from further issues with root like bricking, bugs... if you brick ur phone for good, dont go crying to Sony, that why they make such decision about DRM
anyway be patient, some developers will fix it and find safe root instruction in order to save DRM (i think it s possible to save it even if phone was rooted)
Battery life on average, all latest smartphones on the market have pretty same battery life according their use of customers
an user who spend day and night on social network, notification, playing game, LTE network etc will drain battery dratiscally
battery life its a matter of use, define your needs in order to find good setting for
Speaker position yes it could be a trouble if you dont use earphones for listening music as exemple
it does not bother me at all since i m using SBH20, NFC and wireless speaker
Internet Lag i didnt get any lag on internet, everything is fine
final advice for you if you focus on aesthetic and design, definitely XZ is for you, otherwhise HTC has its own interface Sense and i know many users like it

Trust me OP, switching to the HTC one would make you happier, the display alone is out of this world. The Xperia Z is a decent phone but I feel like it competes with last year`s phones like the Butterfly/DNA, LG optimus G and Galaxy S3. It doesn't not compare to the galaxy s 4, HTC one or LG optimus G pro in my opinion.
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barondebxl said:
The Xperia Z is a decent phone but I feel like it competes with last year`s phones like the Butterfly/DNA, LG optimus G and Galaxy S3. It doesn't not compare to the galaxy s 4, HTC one or LG optimus G pro in my opinion.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I don't think so that the battery life is crap. Yes it can be improved a bit like the HTC one gets 6-7 hours of on screen time with a marginally smaller battery than the Z..here's my result
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Ame123 said:
I don't think so that the battery life is crap. Yes it can be improved a bit like the HTC one gets 6-7 hours of on screen time with a marginally smaller battery than the Z..here's my result
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sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.

samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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I am not trolling...i regularly get 4.5 to 5 hours of screen on time..if u dnt want to believe u can stop commenting on my posts..i have not posted this for guys like u
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samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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3 hours I got 4 hours and 55 min with average use
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samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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I've got over 5 hours many times, even on Cyanogenmod which has worse battery life than stock.

samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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Sigh, don't be a dink. Give it a rest.
OP, I've used both phones. Battery life is definitely better on the HTC, but it's nothing special. I would get an extra 15-20 minutes out of the HTC. As much as I love the design and build materials of the HTC One, I had some pretty severe gaps all over the phone. A buddy of mine has one as well and his isn't much better. The camera on the HTC is great in low light, but leaves a bit to be desired in good lighting conditions, which is where I take the majority of my photos.
I love the feel of the Xperia Z. As nice as the HTC One feels, I think the XZ is the better built phone. I worry about the glass back on the XZ but I think it's sturdy enough to withstand the rigors of day to day life. There isn't much the Z does a lot better than the One (except water resistance and arguably camera), but for some reason I like it a lot more than the HTC.
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If you can ignore the bad camera and build quality of HTC One why not?
And I can get 6 hours of screentime at %40 brightness.

Aresmar said:
If you can ignore the bad camera and build quality of HTC One why not?
And I can get 6 hours of screentime at %40 brightness.
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Build quality and the camera are the most hyped features of the one if one ignores them then whats the use of buying it?
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Build quality and the camera are the most hyped features of the one if one ignores them then whats the use of buying it?
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Sorry but camera fails at photos taken at broad daylight and panoramas vistas etc. 4mp doesnt cut it I have seen it with my own eyes. It may be good at low light but fails at outside photos.
And HTC One has very bad manufacturing. Just read how much problems the buyers have.
BTW I was a HTC phone user before. Not biased or anything. I was considering buying HTC One too. Now I am glad I didnt.

since I bought my Xperia z i have been considering this. I had a chance the other day to go for the HTC but I thought leave it.
I have had a play in store with the one.nothing initially impressed me about it, the screen was great but the Xperia screen is good too and bigger. I don't really like sense either. I couldn't gauge the sound quality due to the noisy environment but I guess that and the camera are the killer points. that's the only two things that would make me switch.
say what you want about the megapixels but I've saw some shots from the HTC one and they look great. the main thing is the quick shutter speed and brilliant low light performance.the Xperia z shutter speed is average at best and low light performance abysmal on the latest Rom.
the speakers on the Xperia z could be better and I always like good sounds quality on my devices.
but then you have to look at it from the other side too. build quality on the z is great, there's been many complaints about the HTC one build quality. when you have a phone for 2 years the build quality needs to be top notch. I guess most devices should be okay but when you hear the stories about gaps you do get slightly put off.
also the Xperia z is waterproof which could save the phones life some day and the stamina mode does help battery life quite a bit plus the rgb notification led is a lot better on the Sony.
as somEone said previously battery life is currently around the same for the top phones just look at the users posts about the phone you'll find out. design is personal preference.
you get used to each phone in the end tbh, they all have things that stand out for them. personally I can live with the sound quality but they need to improve shutter speed and low light performance I'm still on.434 and I might keep it that way.

Well, if I agree that HTC is a better phone than Z in term of hardware but not by much. I also had a dilemma when choosing Z or One but ended up choosing Z as I think it has better design and much cheaper in my country
Screen: Screen is definitely better on One but Z's screen with BE2 when viewing movie is better in my opinion. I really don't care about viewing angle and it isn't as bad on Z as I thought before (maybe my unit got good viewing angle).
Speaker: Yeah, nowhere near boomsound on HTC but it is loud enough. I can use it to view Youtube with my friend with audible audio.
Speed: Sense 5 is fast as hell, I would say that it is the fastest phone on the market right now, it is even faster than Galaxy S4. But most regular users don't really need it, XZ is plenty fast enough
Feel: I don't like the feel of One, although it is thicker than Z on white paper, the edge thickness is only half of Z's which make holding feel weird. Moreover, the buttons on One is the worst I have ever used. The power button is hard to press as it is so flat and place on top of such a big phone like One, volume rockers are also flat as well.
Battery life: I guess it is slightly better than Z. Maybe you will got 1 hour more of screen time.

my workmate has just got the HTC one and is having major problems with it, honestly really glad i've got the xz.

I currently have a Nexus S which I have had for 2 years now. I'm considering the Nexus 4, was going for the S4 but this is half the price, and the iPhone 6 would be too far out and the iOS would not be to my liking.
I know I cannot really go wrong with the Nexus 4 - it's loved by every reviewer, and not because of its price - the price is only a bonus.
What are its major flaws? I have a few things I was curious about:
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. When your finger touches/swipes on the screen, does it behave like an iPhone 5 or the Galaxy S3/4/Note II devices? I personally like the sensitivity to your finger from the iPhone and Samsung's Galaxy devices. I don't have this in my current Nexus S but definitely would like it in my next phone.
- Battery life. Can it last 14-16 hours, with let's say, 2-3 hours of screen time or so?
- Camera. I've seen some sample pictures, was not too impressed, but as long as it's decent I'm fine.
- Headphone output? I heard the headphone output is lower than other devices from a video. Not sure if significant.
That's all for now. :good:

Just wait for the Nexus 5. Only 3-4 months away.

Tbh I've considered that, but it'll be announced in October, released in December, and if I want it with my carrier it'll probably hit in perhaps March/April of 2014, unless I choose to buy it from the Play Store.
I also heard it packs in a lot, and I think Google's going to price it high this time around. Either way, my current carrier is offering the N4 16GB for only $300 outright. So its price seems lower than market value, and it for some reason is hard for me to wait.

I upgraded from by Galaxy S (Same as the Nexus S) in Feb.
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. I would say the same, hard to notice the difference.
- Battery life. 5+ hrs on screen time with WiFi on (I dont have data so thats not in use). It was a definate improvement from Galaxy S.
- Camera. There is a mod floating around that allows you to get better quality pictures at the cost of a larger file size.
- Sound. NOTHING beat Galaxy S's sound chip. I was disappointed a bit here.
- Overall animation/fluidity/framerate. Stock android on N4, even the most overclocked Galaxy S with the most slimmed rom cannot come close to these speeds.
- Size. I like smaller phones that fit into my pocket easier. Galaxy S wins here but thats a personal choice. HD videos play exactly to scale on the N4, you just feel immersed.
- Physical features. You can't drop it, glass on both sides, bumpers/cases probably won't do anything. It's also heavier. No removable battery or SD card. I made the mistake of getting the 8GB, dont. Doesn't feel plasticky/cheap like the Galaxy S.
ROM support is very nice here, I think it's just as good as when Galaxy S was in it's prime.
You have to get it, try getting it through your provider ($300 in canada for the 16Gb via koodo whereas $366 shipped from goolge for the 8Gb)

OnlySkills said:
Tbh I've considered that, but it'll be announced in October, released in December, and if I want it with my carrier it'll probably hit in perhaps March/April of 2014, unless I choose to buy it from the Play Store.
I also heard it packs in a lot, and I think Google's going to price it high this time around. Either way, my current carrier is offering the N4 16GB for only $300 outright. So its price seems lower than market value, and it for some reason is hard for me to wait.
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Buying from Play Store is better anyway, at least for T Mobile USA.
What can the Nexus 4 do that your Nexus S can't? The Nexus 5 will be even better than the Nexus 4 on all scales. It is rumored to be based off the LG G2 which will have stereo speakers, bigger screen, improved camera, and much more. Maybe even launched with Key Lime Pie(?)
Just wait for it.

1. Low earpiece/mic
2. Camera speed slower than GN, need to be very steady for HDR
3. Storage can be challenging to manage, we need 32/64 nexus...
4. MTP is slow in general, and touchscreen goes crazy when charging from my PC
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Ace42 said:
1. Low earpiece/mic
2. Camera speed slower than GN, need to be very steady for HDR
3. Storage can be challenging to manage, we need 32/64 nexus...
4. MTP is slow in general, and touchscreen goes crazy when charging from my PC
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My touchscreen never goes crazy when charging from a PC.

i had a nexus s for long time, loved that thing. yes, it does have great sound, especially with voodoo, but the nexus s is merely a childs toy compared to the nexus 4. heck, the galaxy nexus was a large step from the nexus s. you will love the nexus 4. coming from two samsung phones in a row(ns and gnex), i first thought that not having a plastic back was the nexus 4s' major flaw, but now i dont mind
oh, and some photos, all hdr mode..
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Touch sensitivity is quite good for an android device similar to the nexus s, but the nexus 4 has lower touch sensitivity than it is capable of because of the touchscreen drivers, this problem has supposedly been fixed in the upcoming android 4.3 update but honestly touch response is very good you won't have a problem.
As for battery expect 4-5 hours sot on WiFi and 3-4 hours on 3g.
Photos in good lighting conditions are quite good but in low light its another story so if you take pictures in good light you'll be okay.
I find the sound output to be fairly reasonable its quite loud I don't think you'll have a problem with it unless you need to drive something huge with a high impedance, for normal headphones/earphones its loud enough.

Roastmeat said:
I upgraded from by Galaxy S (Same as the Nexus S) in Feb.
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. I would say the same, hard to notice the difference.
- Battery life. 5+ hrs on screen time with WiFi on (I dont have data so thats not in use). It was a definate improvement from Galaxy S.
- Camera. There is a mod floating around that allows you to get better quality pictures at the cost of a larger file size.
- Sound. NOTHING beat Galaxy S's sound chip. I was disappointed a bit here.
- Overall animation/fluidity/framerate. Stock android on N4, even the most overclocked Galaxy S with the most slimmed rom cannot come close to these speeds.
- Size. I like smaller phones that fit into my pocket easier. Galaxy S wins here but thats a personal choice. HD videos play exactly to scale on the N4, you just feel immersed.
- Physical features. You can't drop it, glass on both sides, bumpers/cases probably won't do anything. It's also heavier. No removable battery or SD card. I made the mistake of getting the 8GB, dont. Doesn't feel plasticky/cheap like the Galaxy S.
ROM support is very nice here, I think it's just as good as when Galaxy S was in it's prime.
You have to get it, try getting it through your provider ($300 in canada for the 16Gb via koodo whereas $366 shipped from goolge for the 8Gb)
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You can drop it with a bumper on and screen protectors. I dropped mine onto concrete and accidentally stepped on it. Lol its perfectly fine except for the scratch on my screen protector
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Gets extremely hot when gaming. I'm not sure whether this causes damage, but it makes me sweat on the device.
Both 3G and Wifi have connection issues. This may be fixed in software, but I'm not sure.
Speaker sound isn't as good as some other phones.
Being totally flat, it sits flush on a surface and the speaker is covered, muting notification sounds.
Being made of glass, there's twice as much breakable surface.

I upgraded my Nexus S for the N4 about the time it launched, so I know how slow it must be getting.
While its not perfect, I wouldn't trade it for anything on the market. It's a nexus device, which has the major benefit of being the first to be updated and having more stable ROMs, which you will miss from other devices.
The battery is not as good as I would have hoped for, but it will get me through the day as long as I'm not using it constantly. With mobile data on, I can get 2 hours of SOT (Screen on Time) if I wasn't playing games.
On the topic of the screen, I can tell you that the stock color calibration is extremely washed out. It's a good screen, they just botched the calibration. I remember looking at it for the first time and being really disappointed because of the faded look of colors like blue. This is something that is easily fixed by a non-stock kernel like Franco's Kernel, which is the one I use. The calibration I have right now looks amazing.
While the headphone output is quiet by the standards of most phones, I don't notice it unless I plug it into something like external speakers, or my car.
Also, it's probably worth noting that the 4.3 update that was leaked yesterday is supposed to drastically improve touch sensitivity.
and I would probably wait until at least the 24th of July on the off chance that Google announces lower pricing or a higher capacity version.

Touch Pretty darn smooth. Without a screen protector that is. But even with a sp you'll be able to swipe like no other. Response is top notch and definitely on par with new released phones. (Just my opinion)
Battery If you're a heavy user the battery might slack. If you're an addict, don't get this phone lol. But if you're able to balance data / running apps / screen time / etc. this phone will be perfect. (Choose the right rom & kernel, or just stay stock with a nice kernel)
Camera I don't use it that much but its alright, not the best out there. If you're some fancy photographer I doubt you'll be satisfied. But still takes pretty nice pictures as long as you take it right
Headphone I literally listen to music all day if I'm out of my house. No doubt the output is nice and clear, but it all depends on what type of headphones you're using.
This phone isn't a super computer. It lags when it needs to and produces slight flaws as you use it. But then again, what electronic doesn't
In the end, it all depends on the user's preferences. But if anything, I'd recommend waiting for the N5.

One of the most annoying things about the N4 is undoubtedly the fact that notifications etc cannot be heard when the phone lies flat with the screen up. Many calls have been missed due to this fact...

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My touchscreen never goes crazy when charging from a PC.
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When I touch in one spot it reacts like I hit another location.

I have to say, it is SLIPPY. It slips off everthing, even when i think its a flat surface!

OnlySkills said:
I currently have a Nexus S which I have had for 2 years now. I'm considering the Nexus 4, was going for the S4 but this is half the price, and the iPhone 6 would be too far out and the iOS would not be to my liking.
I know I cannot really go wrong with the Nexus 4 - it's loved by every reviewer, and not because of its price - the price is only a bonus.
What are its major flaws? I have a few things I was curious about:
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. When your finger touches/swipes on the screen, does it behave like an iPhone 5 or the Galaxy S3/4/Note II devices? I personally like the sensitivity to your finger from the iPhone and Samsung's Galaxy devices. I don't have this in my current Nexus S but definitely would like it in my next phone.
- Battery life. Can it last 14-16 hours, with let's say, 2-3 hours of screen time or so?
- Camera. I've seen some sample pictures, was not too impressed, but as long as it's decent I'm fine.
- Headphone output? I heard the headphone output is lower than other devices from a video. Not sure if significant.
That's all for now. :good:
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Do u run custom Roms/kernels on the nexus s?
If you want the same experience x100 then the nexus 4 is for u.
I went from a nexus s to a nexus 4 and I'm more than happy. Android + iOS smoothness.
Flaws:
The touchscreen unresponsiveness is not major (very soft touches don't register sometimes) and it is remedied with either a custom kernel in 4.2.2 or with the upcoming 4.3 (new touchscreen driver).
Screen colors are a bit washed, but with the same solutions as above screen is beautiful.
The phone is made of glass, so it is not as resilient to falls as the nexus s.
Some people experience notification delays on specific WiFi routers. Never had such problem myself.
The phone tends to get hot when in mobile network or under heavy use (because its glass). Can be solved with custom kernels, undervolting/underclocking (this is the most tweakable phone ever).
No issues with audio.
Camera is good. Not the best, but acceptable quality.
Battery life is typically between 4 to 6 hours screen on time, on WiFi, which is pretty good in my opinion.
P.s. this phone offers the smoothest android experience from every other phone I put my hands on.
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urmothersluvr said:
You can drop it with a bumper on and screen protectors. I dropped mine onto concrete and accidentally stepped on it. Lol its perfectly fine except for the scratch on my screen protector
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I dropped mine without bumper and just got a few scratches
btw is an awesome phone

I wouldn't wait for n5 as it's rumored to have a 5" screen which I feel is too large.
Here's a pic I took with the phone
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Overdose1986 said:
I dropped mine without bumper and just got a few scratches
btw is an awesome phone
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dropped my 4 times because it keeps slipping down the table only slight scratch on the back glass
only around 2-3 ft

Got my device yesterday, played with it most of the day. Overall very impressed!
Build quality feels good, got around 7hrs screen on time out of the first charge with variety of browsing, music, app installing etc etc Screen is very good with punchy contrast (much better than my Nexus 4) Loud speaker is plenty loud enough (again, louder than Nexus 4 IMO), vibration is strong so no missed notifications when silent. Only made one call on it so far, quality seemed fine, and no complaints on the other end about not being able to hear me clearly. Performance is great as expected, no slow downs when browsing and such.
There are plenty of reviews on the camera over in the Z1 section, so without repeating what's already been said: avoid the "superior auto" mode and spend a few seconds configuring the manual mode for the shot you want to take, and you get some great results. The superior mode seems to suffer particularly badly in poor light as it drives the ISO up sky high and produces horrible grainy photos.
Only negative comment I have is the screen protection, or lack-thereof. The screen its self is "scratch resistant" but there is a cheapy plastic film on top which I grazed within minutes, I'm told this can't be replaced or removed without losing the warranty. Sony do include a screen protector of sort that you can apply on top of this in the box, unfortunately its one of the god-awful 10 for £2 type plastic things. I'd suggest buyers budget an extra £20 for a good quality film or tempered glass protector to go on top. This is for me the biggest disappointment with this phone; having had my Nexus 4 "naked" most of its life, and suffering no damage, I'm very frustrated that my new £450 phone has to be covered with a cheapy plastic sheet to protect the screen - not good.
Any questions fire away and I'll do my best to answer.

Thank for review. What about led notification? Can you share photo for it?
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Thank for review. What about led notification? Can you share photo for it?
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LED notification is nice and bright, I've set up "light flow lite" to customize the colours / blink rate etc and all is well. I've tried to take a quick photo here, but it doesn't really do it justice. (excuse the terrible screen protector fitting, I threw it on in a bit of a huff. Waiting on a better one to arrive)
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Side by side with Nexus 4
XDA home page vs Nexus 4. (Note nexus 4 is using SlimRom with custom colour profiles etc. Have its set quite cold ad my preference)

does it feel better in hand than nexus 4? it looks like nexus 4 is almost the same size as z1c... I thought z1c will be more of a compact phone.

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does it feel better in hand than nexus 4? it looks like nexus 4 is almost the same size as z1c... I thought z1c will be more of a compact phone.
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It has to. It's much more narrow and the screen is definitely smaller.

Thank you for your insightful input! One thing so important to me is screen and software responsiveness and fluidity...and you're the perfect person to tell me how fluid it feels compared to the nexus 4 and I will be eagerly waiting your response!
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how is the charging time? is it quick charge enabled?

Hi, can you also please put the z1 compact on the top of your nexus? It makes me easier to recognize the size difference

Answers to a few questions:
Charge time from almost flat seemed to be in the region of 2.5 hours, which is pretty good by my reckoning.
It feels a lot smaller than it looks. The reduction in width makes the most difference, and after 2 days using the Z1c the Nexus 4 feels chunky to me now. I don't have my Nexus to hand for size comparison photo now I'm afraid, but laying the Xperia over the top of the Nexus 4 allows you to see 2-3mm on all 4 sides. Next to no difference in weight, through the Sony feels more dense/solid to me - Gives a premium feel.
The phone operation is very fluid and smooth, I went through numerous custom roms and kernels on the Nexus 4 to get the kind of smoothness that the xperia offers right out of the box. Launching the camera app is very quick: Maybe 2 seconds from sleep (via the shortcut button), and near instant from the menu shortcut. Shot-to-shot time is very impressive too - This is one thing where the N4 was always poor in my opinion.
I haven't missed the screen size at all, others may I guess, but personally I prefer being able to operate the whole screen comfortably with one hand!

Thanks great to know the xperia ui doesn't slow the experience

Headphone sound quality
Hi Guys,
Some more feedback on my experiences with the phone.
I'm noticing improved WiFi reception compared to my Nexus 4, My desk in the office is a bit of a black spot normally. My laptop frequently disconnects from the wireless, the Nexus hardly ever managed to connect, the Z1c seems to obtain a connection here and I'm streaming music over it without dropouts :victory:
On a related note, The sound quality through the headphones is very good too. I'm using Logitech Ultimate ears 200, previously had fauxsound on the Nexus 4 for improved volume, and whilst this did allow my N4 to go louder than the Z1c does, the sound quality is definitely better here, stereo separation in particular seems to be better.

Mine arrived in the mail this morning, and I'm impressed so far
Still setting it up mind, but it's the perfect size for my hands (pretty much the same size as an iPhone 5 with a case on)
In comparison with my current Android phone (HTC One X), although in physical size it's only a little smaller to look at, it feels much smaller in the hand, and more usable (no over-stretching of the thumb, reaching for the on button, etc...)
And as for the responsiveness, it's genuinely on par with the iPhone 5 too!
I'm glad I took the gamble to pre-order! :good:
(Just need to set-up the SmartWatch that came with it next...)

Any impression about the ringer volume? I've got a Z, and I had to use a mod (replaced the Fusion3 file) in order not to lose notifications and calls.

quite surprised to see they did not include headphones.. I guess they gotta sell some bluetooth headsets..
Initial impressions coming from an Samsung Galaxy S2 with kitkat.. I miss the settings button And don't understand why they could not put the buttons on the empty field below the screen instead of using the screen .. :\
Laying the Z1c on top of my sgs2 is pretty much same size.. although the Z1c is a little thicker than the SGS2

Pytte said:
quite surprised to see they did not include headphones.. I guess they gotta sell some bluetooth headsets.
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if you care about audio quality, you'll already own decent headphones/iems and have absolutely zero use for any included iems which would stay wrapped up and un-used and be a waste of sony's dosh. much rather sony spent the money they will save by not bundling cheapo iems on a phones build quality etc

Mine from O2 came with earphones And surprisingly they are actually quite good but the rubber buds slide out the my ears.
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if you care about audio quality, you'll already own decent headphones/iems and have absolutely zero use for any included iems which would stay wrapped up and un-used and be a waste of sony's dosh. much rather sony spent the money they will save by not bundling cheapo iems on a phones build quality etc
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i dont care about included audio piece.. got my own AKG k450, pretty good stuff

Would you guys recommend this over a Nexus 5?
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Very important question for me!

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Would you guys recommend this over a Nexus 5?
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I don't own a Z1 compact (yet) but I had two Nexus 5 devices - both sent back to get a refund because Nexus 5 has some serious issues with its microphone. The audio recording is terrible during video footage and a lot of users complain about crappy quality during phonecalls (on the receiving end).
Here's a link: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/0hvTK4eMVGk

First impressions too
To share my first impressions: I received mine yesterday, and I spent the afternoon playing setting up the phone .
The size and weight are about the same as my previous phone (a HTC sensation).it fits well in my hand and well in my pocket too.
The built seem of quality, the flap are easy enough to manoeuver (and allow to plug cable easily), and seems built to last. Overall it gives an impression of quality. I don’t have any issue with the plastic protection screen.
On the software side, everything run fast, and smooth. I have been really impressed by the 4G: it seems merely as fast as at home. All the connections are running well (no issue with gsm, wifi, Bluetooth, nfc). Phone calls are clear, and the micro works greatly according to the “test” I made.
The only drawbacks I found are linked with my experience on my previous phones, and are softwares linked (it might be possible to solve them, but I have search yet to do so): I found the keys of the keyboard to be a bit too small; The intelligent dialer is not as good as I wish (start to look in the phone number before looking at name); I am missing the HTC clock which was also indicating the weather.
If you have any question, feel free!
Franck

Ok, first things first, let me just say this phone absolutely unequivocally rocks. I was expecting this sub-£100 device to be pretty crappy in comparison to the Moto G which I already own. Nope. I was completely wrong.
I bought the Moto E three days ago from O2 as they were first to stock it online, it cost me £79. That's it, £79. No minimum top-up or delivery charge, which I'd also like to mention arrived the next morning.
First impression out the box, if you closed your eyes and held both the G and E together you'd be pushed to notice a difference between the two. The Moto E possibly feeling slightly chunkier, yet smaller at the same time?? Even with both eyes open they're virtually identical, and the similarities don't stop there.
The first thing that truly wowed me was that screen. For £79 you're getting an amazing screen for your money, it has the EXACT same clarity and vividness that the Moto G has, and to be honest I think it may actually be better (colour and backlight wise) , albeit very (very!) slightly smaller. Very crisp and sharp, I've never seen this on a phone less than £110-120. Amazing.
Next, CPU. Yes it's only dual core but I'm yet to experience any significant lag, if at all. Even Chrome is a breeze (which is nowadays renowned at being super slow on lower-end mobiles). GPU seems fine also, having tried Temple Run and Subway Surfer, they both never dipped any frame rates. So I can't really fault the onboard processors. Again: amazing.
Camera quality is not spectacular, but guys, this is a budget phone. To be fair the camera is perfect for everyday snaps, I doubt you'd really want more on a daily basis, not unless you're a professional photographer or have £500 for an iPhone.
The loudspeaker, from what I can tell has moved to the front of the phone and is located where the bottom silver bezel is. The top silver bezel obviously being the in-call speaker.
The battery (nearly 2000mAh!!!) is still on it's first charge since it arrived (yesterday morning) and is still reading 15% even after some fierce app installing and exploring.
Besides those main points I'm struggling to find any other major differences between the E and it's older brother.
Motorola are also bringing out new Grip-Shell back covers that replace the stock battery cover and provide a rubberised band around the phones perimeter (like a bumper case, but integrated into the phone). Can't wait to get my hands on them too, though I should think that will be a few weeks yet.
My final verdict is that this phone is an epic ground-breaker, other companies are truly going to struggle to compete with this device in regards to everything: cost, features etc.
My advice to you: find £80, buy this phone and a lottery ticket.
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Thanks for the review. I'm surprised about the screen being so good when it's nearly 30% less in PPI. Running so well on low specs is moto's specialty so that doesn't surprise me, neither the poor camera.
I still think the moto g is a better deal, especially when I got my 16gb version fro. Tesco for just over £100
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Not as surprised as I was, I was expecting a grainy narrow angle screen, like on the low-end samsungs. Complete opposite. I would probably agree with you about the Moto G though, that's still a bargain of the year considering it's specs.
I think the E will be aimed towards people that don't really want to spend a lot, don't really care about super-dooper specs, and just want a phone that works well.

Dont expect more, here in India its costsjust half than Moto G dual 16GB. So what it offers is good enough.
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I have a little concern for the CPU. So no lag, no problem ?
I'm coming from Xperia U and i would not have lags

I can honestly say that I am yet to experience any lag through everyday use. Just because it's dual core doesn't mean it's going to be equivalent to other dual core phones (ehem Samsung).

wish the camera had Autofocus too

Ankush menat said:
Dont expect more, here in India its costsjust half than Moto G dual 16GB. So what it offers is good enough.
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Got mine today and I am very impressed with it. Awesome phone and does look like premium device as compared to micromax.
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Ankush menat said:
Dont expect more, here in India its costsjust half than Moto G dual 16GB. So what it offers is good enough.
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moto g 4g with LTE and microsd slot is coming
you could buy the 8gb version and use a microsd

m11kkaa said:
moto g 4g with LTE and microsd slot is coming
you could buy the 8gb version and use a microsd
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Don't think that's coming to India.:what:
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nice review but i have a few questions
sikodemon said:
Ok, first things first, let me just say this phone absolutely unequivocally rocks. I was expecting this sub-£100 device to be pretty crappy in comparison to the Moto G which I already own. Nope. I was completely wrong.
I bought the Moto E three days ago from O2 as they were first to stock it online, it cost me £79. That's it, £79. No minimum top-up or delivery charge, which I'd also like to mention arrived the next morning.
First impression out the box, if you closed your eyes and held both the G and E together you'd be pushed to notice a difference between the two. The Moto E possibly feeling slightly chunkier, yet smaller at the same time?? Even with both eyes open they're virtually identical, and the similarities don't stop there.
The first thing that truly wowed me was that screen. For £79 you're getting an amazing screen for your money, it has the EXACT same clarity and vividness that the Moto G has, and to be honest I think it may actually be better (colour and backlight wise) , albeit very (very!) slightly smaller. Very crisp and sharp, I've never seen this on a phone less than £110-120. Amazing.
Next, CPU. Yes it's only dual core but I'm yet to experience any significant lag, if at all. Even Chrome is a breeze (which is nowadays renowned at being super slow on lower-end mobiles). GPU seems fine also, having tried Temple Run and Subway Surfer, they both never dipped any frame rates. So I can't really fault the onboard processors. Again: amazing.
Camera quality is not spectacular, but guys, this is a budget phone. To be fair the camera is perfect for everyday snaps, I doubt you'd really want more on a daily basis, not unless you're a professional photographer or have £500 for an iPhone.
The loudspeaker, from what I can tell has moved to the front of the phone and is located where the bottom silver bezel is. The top silver bezel obviously being the in-call speaker.
The battery (nearly 2000mAh!!!) is still on it's first charge since it arrived (yesterday morning) and is still reading 15% even after some fierce app installing and exploring.
Besides those main points I'm struggling to find any other major differences between the E and it's older brother.
Motorola are also bringing out new Grip-Shell back covers that replace the stock battery cover and provide a rubberised band around the phones perimeter (like a bumper case, but integrated into the phone). Can't wait to get my hands on them too, though I should think that will be a few weeks yet.
My final verdict is that this phone is an epic ground-breaker, other companies are truly going to struggle to compete with this device in regards to everything: cost, features etc.
My advice to you: find £80, buy this phone and a lottery ticket.
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can u or anyone confirm that google now launcher works the same on the moto e as the nexus 5 ? i mean like is it displayed well and fits the screen icons are not massive? also can u get the "ok google" hotword workinng with google search i think if u have the latest google search it should work think the latest is 3.4. also can anyone get usb otg working on the moto e ?

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can u or anyone confirm that google now launcher works the same on the moto e as the nexus 5 ? i mean like is it displayed well and fits the screen icons are not massive? also can u get the "ok google" hotword workinng with google search i think if u have the latest google search it should work think the latest is 3.4. also can anyone get usb otg working on the moto e ?
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Google now launcher working and fits perfectly. OK Google works with english (US) language.
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can u or anyone confirm that google now launcher works the same on the moto e as the nexus 5 ? i mean like is it displayed well and fits the screen icons are not massive? also can u get the "ok google" hotword workinng with google search i think if u have the latest google search it should work think the latest is 3.4. also can anyone get usb otg working on the moto e ?
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And a user have posted a tut/app to make otg work...
here's link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753582
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Google now launcher working and fits perfectly. OK Google works with english (US) language.
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Thanks for that. Also how does the battery life compare to the moto g ? And have u tested any games on it like dead trigger 2 ? Dead effect ?
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And a user have posted a tut/app to make otg work...
here's link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753582
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Thanks for this that's cool. Wonder if this phone will get rooted and some cyanogenmod etc ported would be cool

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Google now launcher working and fits perfectly. OK Google works with english (US) language.
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Anyone tried out the Google camera app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera to see what works can u get panorama mode working etc ?

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It does have auto focus.
I got my Moto G yesterday (XT1022, Indian version) and I paired it up with a 32 GB memory card that arrived today.
A few points.
The screen is pretty sharp. It's not the best but it's a HUGE step up from the Samsung Galaxy Y, HTC explorer and the Galaxy Ace and even the Sony Xperia M that I have plenty of experience with in this price range. It doesn't match up with the G though. But then again, I can always tell the difference between my N5 and N7. So, yeah...
2. No USB cable is a bummer. I have 2 more lying about and I transfer data over WiFi or cloud though and it's not really a problem for me but is it really that much more expensive to give a charger and cable separately?
3. I don't really care about benchmarks. If you've seen enough, they stop making sense and I've stopped caring about anything other than pure graphics benchmarks. But anyway, general performance is good, especially on ART. However you hit it's limits pretty fast and it is a good bit slower in general - even simple stuff like hitting a settings option gives makes the phone hesitate a tiny bit longer. But then, I can spot those on an N5. It's either equal to or slightly worse than the Moto G and people tell me don't see it at all. YMMV. I haven't this phone around
. so I can't really comment about the E just yet.
4. Touch response is good. None of the annoying stuff you see on most low end phones.
5. No freezes or hiccups so far. Software seems solid
6. Loudspeaker is LOUD. Try the pyxis ringtone to get all that loudness out
7. Both sim slots support 3G, but you might have to change this setting in dial sim setup
8. The headset provided is Meh. The Sony Xperia M headset is still SO much better. And the microphone appears to work in the E.
Those are all the things off the top off my head. Let me know of you guys have any questions.

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Anyone tried out the Google camera app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera to see what works can u get panorama mode working etc ?
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Tried Google camera. Panaroma not there but there is lens blur and HDR.
Panaroma is in stock moto cam so you can use that.
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Thanks for that. Also how does the battery life compare to the moto g ? And have u tested any games on it like dead trigger 2 ? Dead effect ?
Don't have moto g so can't tell the difference. But as of now it seems phone can last a day on average usage.(Got it yestdy, its just my view).
Will report once I try dead trigger or dead effect.
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are you able to play large games like galaxy on fire 2 etc without lag

Played asphalt 8 without any issues. Like playing on moto e rather than my xperia ion.
Will report on other games as and when I try it.
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Antutu Benchmark Results
Here's the results from Antutu. Not bad considering it sits just below the S3.
As a comparison the Moto G resulted around ~17,200