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Hi Everyone
I wanted to start this thread because one of the major advantages to Windows 8 is the wide range of devices it can be installed on. The way I see it Windows 8 is not meant to be installed on just a single computer but rather provide users an ecosystem of devices to make there computing needs are as simple as possible.
My intended ecosystem goes like this:
1-Windows Phone 8.
I'm going to get a Lumia 900, but I want something that has expandable memory, dual cores (i know its not needed but think of how awesome it will be), and higher resolution. The Lumia 900 likely will get upgraded to Windows Phone 8, but will lack the features i mentioned above and NFC support also. This will be useful for beam file transfers between a phone and tablet.
2-Home Desktop Computer
I'll probably build a new computer with this as I would like a 2nd generation i7 computer, but I think windows 8 on a desktop is still a must for every home. The UI might be cumbersome at first for a desktop, but the performance is unmatched. Providing a remote desktop will also be extremely useful (more on this later).
3-Tablet
Now here is where things could go 2 ways. I have another thread comparing the differences between Intel's cloverfield processors vs WOA (windows on ARM) systems. If you want a full x86 system it would be best to go with the cloverfield processor, however I think these will be more expensive and likely have worse battery life than their WOA counterparts. My ideal tablet would be something very similar to the ASUS Transformer Prime. I like the idea of a keyboard, trackpad, and extend battery addition to a tablet when needed. If a remote desktop solution similar to splashtop comes out on the market for WOA I will definitely get a WOA system. For most tasks the WOA will provide all power needed, and if more is required for games or access to legacy software I'll just remote into my desktop to use over wifi or LTE.
I specifically mentioned splashtop because it is the only remote desktop software I have found on my iPad 2 that offers great frame rates. I can watch movies on my iPad which look like I am sitting at my computer. This would be great for gaming if the iPad would support a mouse. Window 8 won't have that downfall.
I have been going back and forth with this decision, but what made it clear was the ability to have an ecosystem. Cloverfield systems will likely offer netbook type performance which really isn't enough for my everyday needs. I think these systems would be ideal for college students who can afford to only have a single system, however as a working professional I can afford to get more.
4-Xbox 720 (360 2, ???)
I hope the next generation xbox has the windows 8 kernal built into it also. I think it is likely because Microsoft seems to be pushing this ecosystem concept for their next gen software. I also hope it has the same capabilities I have with my Ipad 2 and Apple TV. For example I use this program called AirVideo on my desktop/iPad. This program can transcode any video format (mkv/avi/divx/etc) seemlessly and stream it to my ipad. From my ipad I can use AirPlay to send it to my Apple TV. It is a great hassle free way to get videos from my comp to my big screen without losing quality. i hope windows 8 offers something like this.
Most Notable Devicies I left off.
Kinect Based Systems:
HTPC
I do not see a need for kinect on desktop unless it is a HTPC. A kinect system on a HTPC would offer great controls for viewing TV content, offer a liable way to Skype from your couch, and forever solve the problem of where did you put your remote. HTPCs and Kinect systems go so well it is mind boggling they have no been bundled together before.
Laptop
I have heard rumors that high end laptops will have there webcam replaced by built in kinect sensors. I think this would be really useful on laptops as it offers another mouse input method other than the installed trackpad. While I do not see kinect systems as useful on desktops, I think it could have advantages on a laptop. This is mainly due the portability of a laptop.
A laptop in general would also be a way to combine 2 devices I have on my current ecosystem. With a laptop you won't need a desktop and a tablet as it kind of combines the two. A laptop offers full computing on x86 architecture and still offers portability, however as we all know, it isn't as powerful as a desktop (around the same price point),\ and not as portable as a tablet.
Well thats my ecosystem. I guess you can say I'm going to be going full on metro at some point this year, but at least it will be in a good way . What do you guys have in mind?
right now, i am having an eco system in my house, with a client Windows 7 PC - Windows Phone 7.5 and XBOX 360 + Kinect. I have a TV in my house, which is hooked up with the network line, so i can use the HTC Connected Media to steam the movie from my Hard Drive on PC to the TV without touching the computer.
Or listen to music from hard drive through XBOX in the same way. I just like it this way. Looking forward for the Beta/RC of Windows 8
give it a try
Thank you very much, give it a try
I'm just looking to be pointed in the right general direction here.
How would I go about hooking up an LCD and touch panel to an Android board (Raspberry PI or something similar). This is for an embedded device.
Something like a Hannstar HSD062IDW1
sbarrow said:
I'm just looking to be pointed in the right general direction here.
How would I go about hooking up an LCD and touch panel to an Android board (Raspberry PI or something similar). This is for an embedded device.
Something like a Hannstar HSD062IDW1
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Hey, most of these ARM dev boards have raw LCD headers. If you're an electronics designer then you can go design a PCB to do things like level shift those bits and maybe convert those parallel signals to something else (LVDS or HDMI or watever). But from what I understand, you already have a video out in the form of HDMI and svideo. Some of us here at ArcDatum have done embedded systems research on a whole bunch of ARM boards (BeagleBoard, Pandaboard, the obscure ODROID-X) and almost all of them should have LCD headers. As for touch screens, that's more difficult. Chances are you'll have to use GPIOs or find a screen with HDMI input and USB output for touch sensing. Otherwise you'll have to design an touch screen input/output driver (which actually isn't that hard once you know how.....finding out how is the difficult part since so many of the chips they use have little or no documentation).
You might be in luck with iPhone screens. I personally have heard rumors of people reverse engineering the screen signals and driving them.
Edit: So i looked at your Hannstar link. Looks like you have a 10.5V LED backlight. So u'll have to drive that separately; that's easy enough. As for the actual signals. Looks like the pinouts you have all the RGB 8bit per color channels as well as your power stuff, ground stuff, and your clock inputs all of which can come from either your LCD header on ur RPi (if it has one; i know the BeagleBoard-XM has them) or an external power supply (for Vcc etc). Note you should tie all grounds together in many cases. As for the other random signals you will have to figure out if they're necessary to connect to something (Even if it's ground) or if you can leave them floating. Watch out for your voltage levels and how much current the RGB signals on the display will sink. Likely case is you have to do a level shift from something like 1.8V logic to 3.3V logic or something like that. When you're picking your IC to do that level shifting, also be very aware that the IC has to be able to change from 0 to 3.3V fast enough. You will have to verify that within one clock cycle, the slew rate of every pin (aka each bit for the RGB channels) is high enough to change from a high value to low or vice versa before the next clock edge comes along. If not you're data will be considered corrupt or just completely invalid.
Edit2: Your title states that you're trying to make this work with Android. I think in fact you are trying to drive the LCD with the System on a Chip on the RPi. Depending on the SoC and kernel, you might have to enable the LCD header pinouts in the kernel. Don't quote me on this though. I could be totally bull****ting you. My GUESS is that the same signals that go to the HDMI chip go to the header and in fact when using the header, you're just pulling the logic of those same signal lines (which also means you have to be extra careful of the current you're sourcing from those lines)
I wish to understand your motivation.
There are plenty of cheap Android tablets available with LCD touch screen. Now instead of trying to use one of these you want to get inferior "WhateverBerry" and engineer LCD interface + software stack etc spending your time and money.
Am I correct describing your intention?
Also I am not sure that Android is a good fit for embedded development which is mostly applied to some type of real-time controllers. It is not real-time OS.
If your want to build quickly an embedded controller with LCD touch you can get it done using Arduino boards. There are few LCD modules with touch capabilities available but with very poor documentation. It will require some work but it is feasible to achieve in a few days. It would cost you about $100 in components including Arduino and LCD shield and software is free.
Good luck!
sbarrow said:
I'm just looking to be pointed in the right general direction here.
How would I go about hooking up an LCD and touch panel to an Android board (Raspberry PI or something similar). This is for an embedded device.
Something like a Hannstar HSD062IDW1
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Adapt0r said:
I wish to understand your motivation.
There are plenty of cheap Android tablets available with LCD touch screen. Now instead of trying to use one of these you want to get inferior "WhateverBerry" and engineer LCD interface + software stack etc spending your time and money.
Am I correct describing your intention?
Also I am not sure that Android is a good fit for embedded development which is mostly applied to some type of real-time controllers. It is not real-time OS.
If your want to build quickly an embedded controller with LCD touch you can get it done using Arduino boards. There are few LCD modules with touch capabilities available but with very poor documentation. It will require some work but it is feasible to achieve in a few days. It would cost you about $100 in components including Arduino and LCD shield and software is free.
Good luck!
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I agree with this, for the most part. Although theres no reason his application wouldnt be better with Android. What if theyre making some sort of consumer friendly appliance. Android wud be a great place to start. Arduinos wud be good for tiny applications but if they want anything pretty it wont have enough horse power.
Also Im not sure how RTOS fits into this. Sure Android isnt an RTOS, but ur phone is Android and thats an embedded system too. Just because it isnt deterministic doesnt mean it isnt suited for embedded. Just go look at basically any of the Texas Instruments ARM based android/linux dev boards.
Anyway back to the topic at hand. If you want a high powered device then try a BeagleBoard with a third party LCD attachment. It wont be cheap, you would basically have an android tablet only itd be for development (and I mean product development, not just software development). But if you dont need 700+mghz of 32 bit addressing lol, then yes go with a much cheaper arduino and lcd.
Edit: Look at this, I think you'll like it (its an all in one ARM development board):
e2e.ti.com/group/universityprogram/educators/w/wiki/2252.am335x-starter-kit.aspx?sp_rid_pod4=MTk2NzAwNDYzODgS1&sp_mid_pod4=40798754
Also I should clarify Arduinos are a 'cheaper' solution, not a 'cheap' solution. Arduinos are not cheap for the amount of processing power u get and they are almost never suited for LCD applications (but there are a few).
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I am glad to have this discussion, it helps to clarify choices we make and avoid waste of time.
RTOS is needed if high rate data acquisition is the core application. If time uncertainty of Android apps execution is tolerable then it might be a good choice considering great UI and communication capabilities.
A number of projects utilize commercial Android hardware with external Bluetooth or USB accessory/ host. In this configuration external accessory acquires and stores data in a buffer, Android terminal reads this data buffer and then does data processing and visualization if necessary.
This combination looks the most efficient since it provides great flexibility with minimal resources.
Low price of Raspberry PI and good marketing attracted a lot of people but usability of this board is very limited. You get what you paid for. It is underpowered for modern Linux and Android, does not have ADC, not suitable for low power (battery) applications. Originally, its main purpose was declared to make learning of programming languages more accessible.
Cheers!
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hello Folks,
i even have a broken tablet, but the touchscreen is still ok.
and i still have a samsung wave s8500 with broken screen but it still running.
is there any solution how i can connect the 7 inch screen with the wave?
the 7 inch screen is a mid tablet dropad/haipad.
is there any link to hardware manuall..
and where can i get the driver of the mid?
thanks in advance
Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" to LCD
is ther anyone trying connect samsung galaxy tab 2 7" to LCD
or it is imposible.... (
I'm an Apple fan, I own a macbook pro retina, and I JUST SELL my iPhone 5, when I purchased my note 2 to use it as Android R&D device coz it's part tablet and also its a phone, I still in love with iOS pollite design and Siri still by far the best voice assistant, but w/o network the e iPhone loses its advantages over android, the first month I discovered how nice is to play games on a 6" screen rather that 4" on the iPhone5 (playing the same game Asphalt 7, the note 2 won by far as gaming platform. but not enough to make me swap of preffered device, but then arrived SwiftKey 4 with it outstanding input that make me left away the iPhone5, it's amazing fast, while most time on iPhone I used Siri to type large text input, on the note I can do it best w/o talking a word and with much less correction, that's it's results of a combination of two factors : SwiftKey and the screen size, I have very large hands so the on screen keyboard on the iPhone5 was always a pain in the ass and the autocorrects doing its things was too annoying to still on the iPhone5, now I also discovered I can navigate on flash websites and interact with sites using the hover feature that helps a lot on sites w/o mobile front end, also the superior personalization it's a bonus.
The only things I think there still miss on OS/X is the iTunes, Google must creta it's own "iTunes" samsung Kies it's an example but fells short alongside iTunes.
Other things I miss from iOS are: Siri precission, the media player search feature, play list management, experience still far superior.
And of course a good working MTP driver for OSX, samsung Kies it's a shame by own right on OSX, but If we can't have a Google/Android common "iTunes-like" application at least a good universal MTP driver for OSX it's a must, hopefully I have AirDroid helps a lot but I still need some fast and easy transfer thru USB for large files or when I don't have a speedy network available.
To take over Apple/Microsoft reign Google must as priority build an desktop version of Google play not just a Web front end, but a desktop client with full media player features capable to open our ebooks gdrive, Update/Sync any brand of Android device via USB.
Also Google needs to push on a desktop (cloud less) OS, while Chrome OS maybe good for most people, really don't have much future, given mobile/tablet OSs are taken most popular task as word edition, spreadsheet, basic graphic design, etc but to provide a real alternative we need a powerful desktop OS loaded with our favorite Power Application as FULL PHOTOSHOP, AUTOCAD/MAYA /CATIA and alike, but those applications already exist on windows and some on OSX, but why aren't ported to an strong powerful os like Ubuntu? EASY Answer there is no programming environment easy to migrate those tons of code, so We Need Free Linux equivalent to Visual Studio and Xcode but not things as short as mono, or ****s as current Linux compiler for objective C, we need Google sponsor or internally developed Migration environments for both Linux and by extension for android, with library equivalent to MFC and Cocoa, plus rigorous Objective C and C# Compilers to binary rather than VMs, all well and rigorous maintained and free of unnecessary GPL traps that may keep developers away to support it.
So, we need:
*Pollite system UI as fast or faster as they add new features.
*GooglePlay desktop client similar to iTunes and universal to any Android device.
*True alternative Desktop OS for non Cloud usage - Power Commercial Apps, with Developer Tools friendly for Apple/Microsoft targeted code migration.
I'm happy with my 6" device but I assume still people can't handle this and may prefer other sizes, so no problem with current fragmentation.
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AcostaJA said:
I'm an Apple fan, I own a macbook pro retina, and I JUST SELL my iPhone 5, when I purchased my note 2 to use it as Android R&D device coz it's part tablet and also its a phone, I still in love with iOS pollite design and Siri still by far the best voice assistant, but w/o network the e iPhone loses its advantages over android, the first month I discovered how nice is to play games on a 6" screen rather that 4" on the iPhone5 (playing the same game Asphalt 7, the note 2 won by far as gaming platform. but not enough to make me swap of preffered device, but then arrived SwiftKey 4 with it outstanding input that make me left away the iPhone5, it's amazing fast, while most time on iPhone I used Siri to type large text input, on the note I can do it best w/o talking a word and with much less correction, that's it's results of a combination of two factors : SwiftKey and the screen size, I have very large hands so the on screen keyboard on the iPhone5 was always a pain in the ass and the autocorrects doing its things was too annoying to still on the iPhone5, now I also discovered I can navigate on flash websites and interact with sites using the hover feature that helps a lot on sites w/o mobile front end, also the superior personalization it's a bonus.
The only things I think there still miss on OS/X is the iTunes, Google must creta it's own "iTunes" samsung Kies it's an example but fells short alongside iTunes.
Other things I miss from iOS are: Siri precission, the media player search feature, play list management, experience still far superior.
And of course a good working MTP driver for OSX, samsung Kies it's a shame by own right on OSX, but If we can't have a Google/Android common "iTunes-like" application at least a good universal MTP driver for OSX it's a must, hopefully I have AirDroid helps a lot but I still need some fast and easy transfer thru USB for large files or when I don't have a speedy network available.
To take over Apple/Microsoft reign Google must as priority build an desktop version of Google play not just a Web front end, but a desktop client with full media player features capable to open our ebooks gdrive, Update/Sync any brand of Android device via USB.
Also Google needs to push on a desktop (cloud less) OS, while Chrome OS maybe good for most people, really don't have much future, given mobile/tablet OSs are taken most popular task as word edition, spreadsheet, basic graphic design, etc but to provide a real alternative we need a powerful desktop OS loaded with our favorite Power Application as FULL PHOTOSHOP, AUTOCAD/MAYA /CATIA and alike, but those applications already exist on windows and some on OSX, but why aren't ported to an strong powerful os like Ubuntu? EASY Answer there is no programming environment easy to migrate those tons of code, so We Need Free Linux equivalent to Visual Studio and Xcode but not things as short as mono, or ****s as current Linux compiler for objective C, we need Google sponsor or internally developed Migration environments for both Linux and by extension for android, with library equivalent to MFC and Cocoa, plus rigorous Objective C and C# Compilers to binary rather than VMs, all well and rigorous maintained and free of unnecessary GPL traps that may keep developers away to support it.
So, we need:
*Pollite system UI as fast or faster as they add new features.
*GooglePlay desktop client similar to iTunes and universal to any Android device.
*True alternative Desktop OS for non Cloud usage - Power Commercial Apps, with Developer Tools friendly for Apple/Microsoft targeted code migration.
I'm happy with my 6" device but I assume still people can't handle this and may prefer other sizes, so no problem with current fragmentation.
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google play music i think is what you wantt
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Hi
So you got a 6' Note2? Mine is 5.5 and wish it was 6 XD
Regards,
Axelman
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Axelman8 said:
Hi
So you got a 6' Note2? Mine is 5.5 and wish it was 6 XD
Regards,
Axelman
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A 6 foot Note 2 would be nice.
You don't need a Desktop client to move files nor do you need a speedy network. You need the included USB cable and your fingers.
I just fixed a few of your problems and I didn't charge a thing!
I for one am actually glad that android doesn't have a required to get stuff on the phone iTunes clone. I hate the hell out of iTunes. And that's coming from an long time iPhone user.
If I want my files/music on the phone I just drag and drop it on the phone.
Download anything with the phones browser anywhere you want. That's one of the strengths of android OS.
Also, with itunes you can only add stuff to your phone if you are at home. With my note I can do it on any machine w/o hassle
I didn't say a Clone, but to offer an better experience than with Samsung Kies
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I didn't say a Clone, but to offer an better experience than with Samsung Kies
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Just curious, why are you even using kies? I tried it once and it sucked and realised I never actually needed it in the first place lol
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So, we need:
*Pollite system UI as fast or faster as they add new features.
*GooglePlay desktop client similar to iTunes and universal to any Android device.
*True alternative Desktop OS for non Cloud usage - Power Commercial Apps, with Developer Tools friendly for Apple/Microsoft targeted code migration.
I'm happy with my 6" device but I assume still people can't handle this and may prefer other sizes, so no problem with current fragmentation.
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Have you seen the mycolorscreen website?
You can freely browse the play store online and purchase / download an app which will push to your device next time you turn on the WiFi / Mobile data
There are experimental ports of Ubuntu for the note right now
Also look into the video user "coldfustion" did on YouTube titled "Galaxy note 2 replaces the PC" excellent stuff
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Hello everybody. I am here to present my ideas about the Project Ara.
1) Going beyond the cellphone shape.
Being honest, the Ara is an awesome idea for a Smartphone. But we could do much more in the future: We could have Tablets (7 to 10.1 inch), Laptops (not a convertible one, let this wonder to the Tablets, 13 to 17 inch), Small Desktops (Something small, not big like the Windows/Linux desktops), All in Ones (A la HP Slate 21, 17 to 25 inch), Handheld Consoles (NVIDIA Shield-like and PS Vita Like), Table Consoles (from the size of a Ouya to the size of a PS4) and TV Boxes (We could convert our basic TV on a Smart TV with those boxes).
2) How about physical keyboards and joypads?
Something that would be perfect is that i should not be forced to use the touch for everything. We used to Have Xperia Pros and Motorola Milestones years ago. We also had Sony Ericsson Xperia Play and we have the obscure JXD Gaming Smartphones. How about we have an removable Slide Keyboards (Just like the bluetooth slide keyboards for iPhones i usually find for sale), Soft (like the MS Surface) Hard Keyboard Docks for Tablets (like the ASUS Transformer Pad family and HP Slatebook x2) and Gamepads for both Phones and Tablets (Xperia Play Style or a removable with the Archos gamepad Style). This would make things even more interesting. Because i would use the hard keyboard dock to put an additional battery, USB Ports, RJ-45 Port, LTE Port, SD Card Port, 2.5 inch HDD Port, Mini DP Port. Heck, i could build a Transformer Pad-like tab with this and when i don't need the keyboard dock, i could use the gamepad for gaming.
3) My device. My settings.
There are Smartphones with 4K resolution out there. In my opinion this is an overkill for small screens. In tablets, though, it is plausible. I would love to build a smartphone with the maximum res of 1366x768, i don't need more than this. Also, i also don't feel the need of having a camera with more than Full HD resolution. So, i'm okay with a 1920x1080 camera for pics and video? Also, i want to be able to block phone calls when sleeping. It is annoying to wake up thing something serious happened and actually it is a Drunk calling for me. Also, if doesn't bother Google, We could dual boot an Ara Tablet with Arch Linux.
4) Android Live USB Sticks.
Linux distros are able to be customized in favor of someone, so this person can put his important apps on a Live DVD without the need of downloading everytime. We could have Something similar on Android.
There are more suggestions i would like to give, but, i don't have right now. anyone else have?
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To 1:
If ARA is successful, those things will follow, logically. But I hope they'll keep the module size for tablets, but then they will have problems with space arrangement.
However, I'm happy about the ARA and will support the project (by buying one ).
To 2:
There is already a concept for a gamepad on here (just search for it). I dont know how it worked out if there would be module spaces on the back but the idea is interesting.
I'm sure there will be more than enough possibilities regarding keyboards and other additions as soon as manufacturers see the ARA sells.
I think root and custom firmwares are things we should worry about later... But Google would not want us to run sailfish or any Linux distribution in it. This is the only negative point I see about ARA... But probably Google is the only one that can afford such an experiment.
Regards
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like to know how can i use depth camera for computer software?
If you just need the depth camera, I'd look into a Kinect or any other standalone depth camera. The depth in the ZenFone is not the best that there's ever been.
If you need the rest of Tango or to use the phone, you'll have to write your own Android app to transmit the information over USB or Wifi to your computer. I don't think there will be any existing apps for this because Tango uses new APIs on Android.
it going to be costly. why waste money when u have a smartphone with same features it will a really helpful for lot of user if some one developed a app for transmit data to computer
There is limited developer community for the ZenFone AR, especially now that support is ending soon. You can get an original Kinect for $30 on Amazon that has a huge developer community and lots of support and documentation.