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Hello my fellow S5 users! I just wanna know what people think is the most similar as ROM for S5 atm, when used S4 and S3 I used Slimrom as I'm not updated in the ROM univers I'm not sure what its called atm, but I would like something similar light weight but also customizable. I have looked at xtrestolite ROM and saw it as a good replacement as I use omega atm (4.4.4). The reason why I'm at KitKat is just because of stability and I would like that in my new ROM as well. It would be much appreciated!
Btw om not starting a best ROM thread I'm just asking for something similar to Slimrom that is also stable!
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Hello my fellow S5 users! I just wanna know what people think is the most similar as ROM for S5 atm, when used S4 and S3 I used Slimrom as I'm not updated in the ROM univers I'm not sure what its called atm, but I would like something similar light weight but also customizable. I have looked at xtrestolite ROM and saw it as a good replacement as I use omega atm (4.4.4). The reason why I'm at KitKat is just because of stability and I would like that in my new ROM as well. It would be much appreciated!
Btw om not starting a best ROM thread I'm just asking for something similar to Slimrom that is also stable!
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Phone model?
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Dns94 said:
Hello my fellow S5 users! I just wanna know what people think is the most similar as ROM for S5 atm, when used S4 and S3 I used Slimrom as I'm not updated in the ROM univers I'm not sure what its called atm, but I would like something similar light weight but also customizable. I have looked at xtrestolite ROM and saw it as a good replacement as I use omega atm (4.4.4). The reason why I'm at KitKat is just because of stability and I would like that in my new ROM as well. It would be much appreciated!
Btw om not starting a best ROM thread I'm just asking for something similar to Slimrom that is also stable!
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I have tested every rom I've come across and Xtrestolite v2.3 is the rom that passed the test of time Phoenix and Fusion rom I didnt find stable enough until very recently and there are some recent updates. There are probably more TW-roms thats good but those are the ones I like.
Probably any CM12.1-based rom is as stable as can be expected now in my humble opion. Personally I like Blisspop and Resurrection Remix, but Cyanogenmod might just be the most minimalistic I think.
Hope I helped
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KLTE(900F)
Note 5 Pure Rom
Lerduvan said:
I have tested every rom I've come across and Xtrestolite v2.3 is the rom that passed the test of time Phoenix and Fusion rom I didnt find stable enough until very recently and there are some recent updates. There are probably more TW-roms thats good but those are the ones I like.
Probably any CM12.1-based rom is as stable as can be expected now in my humble opion. Personally I like Blisspop and Resurrection Remix, but Cyanogenmod might just be the most minimalistic I think.
Hope I helped
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Seems like Blisspop and Resurrection Remix was just what I wanted so gonna try them both but I'm not sure if I should go for Android 5 or 6? Any opinion on that?
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Seems like Blisspop and Resurrection Remix was just what I wanted so gonna try them both but I'm not sure if I should go for Android 5 or 6? Any opinion on that?
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Yeah I have had some problems with random reboots on Marshmallow, I would try 6.0 again today since I'm not sure if they fixed it. Cm12.1 is just one flash away
No Xtrestolite for G900F
Rvl7 said:
No Xtrestolite for G900F
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What do you mean?
I got an s5 on Verizon can anyone help me get root and the best Rom on it? Would really appreciate it as the phone seems bogged down ! Thanks
It will be great if we get custom kernel for kitkat roms.. Like miui/cm11 .. Kitkat roms are best in terms of stability. So I request devs to compile kernel for kk if possible
A request to your request.. build it your self, its faster than waiting for someone who is not gonna do it..
Here are some kitkat kernel sources..
The first one that ever existed..
The second one
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It will be great if we get custom kernel for kitkat roms.. Like miui/cm11 .. Kitkat roms are best in terms of stability. So I request devs to compile kernel for kk if possible
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Its marshmallow time. Why you wanna go down to kitkat when the stable MM roms is available now? Its out date. As pirej said, build your own custom kernel if you really want it!!!
i don't know why? really like kitkat rom very much. i heavily use internet with both 3g and wifi for almost 15-18 HOURS per day. i know marshmallow is stable now but with heavy usage cpu temperature goes over 50 it makes phone very hot we can't touch it. in kitkat with same usage got temperature around 44-46 and never crosses 50. so i am staying with kitkat. he is just requesting u not forcing u to make a kernel
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Its marshmallow time. Why you wanna go down to kitkat when the stable MM roms is available now? Its out date. As pirej said, build your own custom kernel if you really want it!!!
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yeah like he just said, kitkat doesnt overheat like Lollipop and Marshmallow. Unfortunately building a kernel isnt as easy as flashing a Rom so many of us can't do it. I myself keep flashing over and over again, coz when im on M, my phone overheats and i miss MIUI interface. when im on kitkat, i feel outdated. i have an internal conflict (((
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yeah like he just said, kitkat doesnt overheat like Lollipop and Marshmallow. Unfortunately building a kernel isnt as easy as flashing a Rom so many of us can't do it. I myself keep flashing over and over again, coz when im on M, my phone overheats and i miss MIUI interface. when im on kitkat, i feel outdated. i have an internal conflict (((
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same here...
Could anyone tell me what's the best (most stable) kitkat rom for 2014818? All I can find are 2014813 roms
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Its marshmallow time. Why you wanna go down to kitkat when the stable MM roms is available now? Its out date. As pirej said, build your own custom kernel if you really want it!!!
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Yaah Kitkat is outdated but I like it more than MM and Lp and Its my personal wish that I want a Kitkat kernel.. I'm not forcing or ordering anyone to make a kernel for me.. I'm just requesting.. If I was able to make kernel then I would not ask others to make it.. Don't know whats your problem If I'm requesting
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A request to your request.. build it your self, its faster than waiting for someone who is not gonna do it..
Here are some kitkat kernel sources..
The first one that ever existed..
The second one
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Sir If I can make one by myself I wouldn't ask anyone to do it.. I'm not forcing.. I'm just requesting
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Its marshmallow time. Why you wanna go down to kitkat when the stable MM roms is available now? Its out date. As pirej said, build your own custom kernel if you really want it!!!
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Hey yo, Just like him I am back with the MiUI KK.
Every MM rom I've tried I couldn't proper use the GPS and the adb.
So, if you know any MM rom that these 2 features are working fine, please tell me!
My model is HM2014819
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Hey yo, Just like him I am back with the MiUI KK.
Every MM rom I've tried I couldn't proper use the GPS and the adb.
So, if you know any MM rom that these 2 features are working fine, please tell me!
My model is HM2014819
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No gps and adb bug here on my 2014813. If you want install bugless mm rom, install cm13 rom. Just follow this instruction http://forum.xda-developers.com/red...ll-official-cyanogenmod-13-t3374589?nocache=1, and you will enjoy it. Happy flashing bro!!
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No gps and adb bug here on my 2014813. If you want install bugless mm rom, install cm13 rom. Just follow this instruction http://forum.xda-developers.com/red...ll-official-cyanogenmod-13-t3374589?nocache=1, and you will enjoy it. Happy flashing bro!!
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I'll reveal the secret-CM does not need ... no one needs, in general
Dyt199412syam said:
No gps and adb bug here on my 2014813. If you want install bugless mm rom, install cm13 rom. Just follow this instruction http://forum.xda-developers.com/red...ll-official-cyanogenmod-13-t3374589?nocache=1, and you will enjoy it. Happy flashing bro!!
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Thanks, it seems that everything is ok now.
I can use adb but only on PTP mode (which is not that bad anyway)
GPS seems ok too I thought it was device problem...
Hi everyone i currently have a samsung s3 neo GT 1901I almost for a year and a half and it's been stuck on 4.4.2 i love this phone, it has never given me any freezing or rebooting issues but i was thinking now to try go to custom firmware's so guys with a similar phone to mine, please advice me which is the current most stablest rom for my device which i can flash in and if it is stable could you tell me some on the known bugs on it ? i really don't wanna flash a rom and be in full regret as i find this phone of mine really stable on my current stock rom
Thanks in advance for taking your time reading this
Flash cm 12.1
for me it's better to stay on the stock
a friend of mine suggested that I try the CM 12.1 , I really like it but it caused me a lot of troubles espaicially with the battery
then I went back to stock, however it's not the same solid and efficient phone I used to have.
but anyway, that's my personnel experience , if you're used with things like flashing and trying different ROMs go ahead
I think CM 12.1 is the best , there is a thread here ( I think) where the isuues I mentionned are probably fixed
good luck
If you like AOSP ROMs I suggest you to use CM12.1 by @Rox with the kernel made by @n1kolaa.
But if you're passionated for TouchWiz like I am I recommend you to use Project Lucky by @Ciro. It has a bit of random reboot problems, but it's the most stable LL TouchWiz ROM for our beloved S3 Neo.
rebasovitch said:
for me it's better to stay on the stock
a friend of mine suggested that I try the CM 12.1 , I really like it but it caused me a lot of troubles espaicially with the battery
then I went back to stock, however it's not the same solid and efficient phone I used to have.
but anyway, that's my personnel experience , if you're used with things like flashing and trying different ROMs go ahead
I think CM 12.1 is the best , there is a thread here ( I think) where the isuues I mentionned are probably fixed
good luck
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Thanks for the reply and sharing your experience. I once had a lg e400 and went all out with on custom roms but they were never stable all were nightly roms i was hoping for a stable rom for this neo i have but you kinda have convinced not to play around with the stock rom to be honest
The Forgotten said:
If you like AOSP ROMs I suggest you to use CM12.1 by @Rox with the kernel made by @n1kolaa.
But if you're passionated for TouchWiz like I am I recommend you to use Project Lucky by @Ciro. It has a bit of random reboot problems, but it's the most stable LL TouchWiz ROM for our beloved S3 Neo.
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are the random reboots very frequent or ?
i wish samsung loved us s3 neo users and gave a stock lolipop update
navo_96 said:
are the random reboots very frequent or ?
i wish samsung loved us s3 neo users and gave a stock lolipop update
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No, not too much. Actually, they are very rare in "Project Lucky" ROM.
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No, not too much. Actually, they are very rare in "Project Lucky" ROM.
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I can confirm, TheForgotten is right.
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I can confirm, TheForgotten is right.
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i'll think about it thanks a lot guys
navo_96 said:
i'll think about it thanks a lot guys
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One more thing, battery life will not be the same... Idk about the difference because I don't remember how is the battery on Stock...
MarcusBS said:
One more thing, battery life will not be the same... Idk about the difference because I don't remember how is the battery on Stock...
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like battery life in a badway or good way ?
navo_96 said:
like battery life in a badway or good way ?
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Bad :/
But backing for stock you can fix this
If you don't like ROM, of course...
MarcusBS said:
Bad :/
But backing for stock you can fix this
If you don't like ROM, of course...
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there is loss of warranty if i flash a custom rom yeah ?
navo_96 said:
there is loss of warranty if i flash a custom rom yeah ?
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Yes, exactly
navo_96 said:
there is loss of warranty if i flash a custom rom yeah ?
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Yes, there is, but if you flash Stock ROM again you'll get your warranty again.
Hi, quick question. I wanted to flash the Project Lucky S7 Style ROM by Ciro but the kernel version on my phone is 3.4.0 and the kernel verion of the rom is 3.0.x. Is it safe to flash?? Please let me know. Thanks
Battery is better on stock, and of course that stock is better for our phone but if you want to experience something new you should wait a few day 'cause CyanogenMod 12.1 is going to be official.
navo_96 said:
Hi everyone i currently have a samsung s3 neo GT 1901I almost for a year and a half and it's been stuck on 4.4.2 i love this phone, it has never given me any freezing or rebooting issues but i was thinking now to try go to custom firmware's so guys with a similar phone to mine, please advice me which is the current most stablest rom for my device which i can flash in and if it is stable could you tell me some on the known bugs on it ? i really don't wanna flash a rom and be in full regret as i find this phone of mine really stable on my current stock rom
Thanks in advance for taking your time reading this
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Bro,want to flash custom rom?there is a right choice ..Motion Rom fro S3 neo the best custom rom without bugs i am using this rom no issue at all good battery life and so on just try it and enjoy ...all the best:fingers-crossed:
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Bro,want to flash custom rom?there is a right choice ..Motion Rom fro S3 neo the best custom rom without bugs i am using this rom no issue at all good battery life and so on just try it and enjoy ...all the best:fingers-crossed:
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link to the rom ?
there are more roms available based on motion rom, so it's better to switch to motion rom child
I'd like to use CM12.1 (marshmallow) but I realize there still are no stable release? Why? Is it not good enough yet?
I've had a pretty bad experience with CM on my old Galaxy S4 so I'm a little afraid to remove the stock recovery and ROM from my Moto X Play. I want to make sure that it's bug free (or as buggy as stock) and suitable for day use. In other words I want to flash it and know it's fully reliable. Given the fact that there are only nightly releases, are they reliable enough for this?
Thanks
Prosis said:
I'd like to use CM12.1 (marshmallow) but I realize there still are no stable release? Why? Is it not good enough yet?
I've had a pretty bad experience with CM on my old Galaxy S4 so I'm a little afraid to remove the stock recovery and ROM from my Moto X Play. I want to make sure that it's bug free (or as buggy as stock) and suitable for day use. In other words I want to flash it and know it's fully reliable. Given the fact that there are only nightly releases, are they reliable enough for this?
Thanks
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I can't vouch for the latest releases, as my xplay has been broken for like 3 months now, but being a nightly doesn't inherently make it unstable. Stable builds are usually relabeled nightlies. I say give it a shot. You can always go back to stock if you don't like it, unless you're speaking about voiding warranty
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I can't vouch for the latest releases, as my xplay has been broken for like 3 months now, but being a nightly doesn't inherently make it unstable. Stable builds are usually relabeled nightlies. I say give it a shot. You can always go back to stock if you don't like it, unless you're speaking about voiding warranty
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Oh! I thought nightlies were unstable releases. So before yours broke, you had a good experience? No problem with camera or other stuff?
It's not really a question of warranty but rather just not having any issues when I need it to work. For instance, with my Galaxy S4, the camera kept crashing while I was out with my kids so I lost time trying to make it work when I wanted to take a picture. That's the kind of thing I wouldn't want happening just because I got another ROM.
Indeed I did (have a good experience). If you're every unsure of a nightly, head to the thread. You'll usually find one or several people commenting if it's no good.
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Indeed I did. If you're every unsure of a nightly, head to the thread. You'll usually find one or several people commenting if it's no good.
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Yeah I had a look (I just realized I was talking about CM13 not 12.1) but given there are now 205 pages I thought I'd ask about the nightly situation in a different thread.
I think I may try it and restore it from the ROM available in the forum.
Oh and I keep wondering, given Motorola never actually released the ROM, how can someone make it available?
I m using nightly for like 3 months ......and I can say nightly is far better than stock if you are looking for customization and speed. I recently tried to go back to stock 6.0.1 but that experience is so "LAGGY" that I again return back to CM.I can say that CM nightly build working best for me with my requirements(like gaming and also photography and editing and HEAVY Customization and many more ) . and about custom recovery,it's a must have tool I suggest as with that I can return back to my previous builds. SO i recommend to go for NEW CM build,but in the end it's upto you.
and if u r still fearing about NIGHTLIES then flash the custom recovery(twrp) and then make backup of whole stock system and then do whatever U want to.
Btw this is the wrong forum to discuss things
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anks095 said:
I m using nightly for like 3 months ......and I can say nightly is far better than stock if you are looking for customization and speed. I recently tried to go back to stock 6.0.1 but that experience is so "LAGGY" that I again return back to CM.I can say that CM nightly build working best for me with my requirements(like gaming and also photography and editing and HEAVY Customization and many more ) . and about custom recovery,it's a must have tool I suggest as with that I can return back to my previous builds. SO i recommend to go for NEW CM build,but in the end it's upto you.
and if u r still fearing about NIGHTLIES then flash the custom recovery(twrp) and then make backup of whole stock system and then do whatever U want to.
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Oh nice idea. I think That's what I'm gonna do, thanks!
Benjamin_L said:
Btw this is the wrong forum to discuss things
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Is it? I apologize then. Even if I want to talk about CM I should use the General Help forum?
Prosis said:
Oh nice idea. I think That's what I'm gonna do, thanks!
Is it? I apologize then. Even if I want to talk about CM I should use the General Help forum?
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Original development is for devs posting their work usually
Hey guys which is the best rom for our device with the best kernel.
Tried some roms, can't find a good one.
Need your valuable suggestions.
Always
Joker_XD said:
Hey guys which is the best rom for our device with the best kernel.
Tried some roms, can't find a good one.
Need your valuable suggestions.
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ED300
somnath pal said:
ED300
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Thanks man for your reply.
Now i'm using cm12.1 by ed300. but, when custom kernel installs it's media volume increases exceptionally.
Best Rom
Joker_XD said:
Thanks man for your reply.
Now i'm using cm12.1 by ed300. but, when custom kernel installs it's media volume increases exceptionally.
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No need to flash custom kernel
and try to flash ED300 CM13
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No need to flash custom kernel
and try to flash ED300 CM13
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Yeah i tried the cm13 but the game marvel contest of champions keeps crashing while logging.
I updated the game and tried everything. but it still crashing.
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Hey guys which is the best rom for our device with the best kernel.
Tried some roms, can't find a good one.
Need your valuable suggestions.
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I've tested all available Roms for this phone, but every time i revert back to XenonHD , it on android 5.1 and fully stable
Try it.
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I've tested all available Roms for this phone, but every time i revert back to XenonHD , it on android 5.1 and fully stable
Try it.
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Ok definitely i will :good:
Is that the one from techolite ?
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Ok definitely i will :good:
Is that the one from techolite ?
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yes exactly, just install the latest gapps.
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yes exactly, just install the latest gapps.
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OK thanks man
Hi,
It depends on user itself, what they are loooking for. For me I'm looking for good battery life and signal. This is how I scale their rank:
0-Bad
1-OK
3-Good
4-Amazing!
5-Stock Kitkat
Pardon me If I'm not nice. You have to tell me, If I'm not being one.
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Hi,
It depends on user itself, what they are loooking for. For me I'm looking for good battery life and signal. This is how I scale their rank:
0-Bad
1-OK
3-Good
4-Amazing!
5-Stock Kitkat
Pardon me If I'm not nice. You have to tell me, If I'm not being one.
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Yeah you are right. i'm looking for performance and with a not bad battery life.
i been used the stock kitkat for long. it's superb with chhapil's Mostock kernel.
i don't like kitkat ui. i like the material design that comes from lollipop. so, i'm looking for roms with API level higher than kitkat like lollipop, marshmallow and now it's nougat.
i'm very glad to see that our developers are still in the track of developing new things to our device Lenovo A6000.
Hats off you guys !! :good:
my repy
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Yeah you are right. i'm looking for performance and with a not bad battery life.
i been used the stock kitkat for long. it's superb with chhapil's Mostock kernel.
i don't like kitkat ui. i like the material design that comes from lollipop. so, i'm looking for roms with API level higher than kitkat like lollipop, marshmallow and now it's nougat.
i'm very glad to see that our developers are still in the track of developing new things to our device Lenovo A6000.
Hats off you guys !! :good:
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well, I have no important issue beside the bad signal and battery life on my kit kat carbon. I only have 3 hours every morning to charge my devices for the day. Not sure what kind of adventure awaits if I flash marshmalleow or nuget
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Bro try the MIUI ROM. I've been using the ROM for the last 4-5 months now. You can GET IT FROM HERE. You can also SEE IT IN ACTION HERE.
It has stability, without any bugs, great battery life, great performance and what not. Though, not everyone is a fan on such highly customized ROMs, but personally I like it very much. You have the options to easily apply the various themes while MIUI in itself has pretty good UI.
Yoi don't actually need to flash a custom kernel with MIUI ROM, but if you wan, you can try Phantom Kernel.
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Bro try the MIUI ROM. I've been using the ROM for the last 4-5 months now. You can GET IT FROM HERE. You can also SEE IT IN ACTION HERE.
It has stability, without any bugs, great battery life, great performance and what not. Though, not everyone is a fan on such highly customized ROMs, but personally I like it very much. You have the options to easily apply the various themes while MIUI in itself has pretty good UI.
Yoi don't actually need to flash a custom kernel with MIUI ROM, but if you wan, you can try Phantom Kernel.
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Will try bro :good:
But, MIUI rom is a heavily customised rom and i think it may consumes more ram leads to cause lag ?
i have seen the redmi device lagging, that's what i'm asking.
Phantom kernel :good: just awesome !!
now i'm using cm12.1 by ed300 with phantom kernel. sounds like pretty stable !!
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Will try bro :good:
But, MIUI rom is a heavily customised rom and i think it may consumes more ram leads to cause lag ?
i have seen the redmi device lagging, that's what i'm asking.
Phantom kernel :good: just awesome !!
now i'm using cm12.1 by ed300 with phantom kernel. sounds like pretty stable !!
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Bro, Im having Redmi note 3 pro too. MIUI doesn't lag at all and has better battery life than compared to any other ROM despite the heavy customization.
On LA6k, I've tried many ROMs like CM13, Mokee, and other CM based roms, all of them had some kind of lag in the UI. Also, the battery life was not good, and were some bugs here and there. I've not tried the ED300's ver; but I don't think its much of an exception. So, you should definitely try MIUI at least once.
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Bro, Im having Redmi note 3 pro too. MIUI doesn't lag at all and has better battery life than compared to any other ROM despite the heavy customization.
On LA6k, I've tried many ROMs like CM13, Mokee, and other CM based roms, all of them had some kind of lag in the UI. Also, the battery life was not good, and were some bugs here and there. I've not tried the ED300's ver; but I don't think its much of an exception. So, you should definitely try MIUI at least once.
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Thanks dude
Lemme try it.
Downloading....
Features, peformance, but does it have good signal. xda users is from earth you know. Not just one region.
Hey guys you should try pacman-rom-6-0-1, it's the best ROM that i've ever used. No bug and Amazing battery life.
and it's a good Rom for daily use
double tap to wake up
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I've tested all available Roms for this phone, but every time i revert back to XenonHD , it on android 5.1 and fully stable
Try it.
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is this rom or kernel support double to tap to wake up facility
Thanks @sasukay for suggesting me the MIUI Rom. :good:
Amazing Rom
No bugs
Camera good
Sound good
Signal good
Performance good
Features - with a hell of tweaking and customization
Data good
I installed Facebook, messenger, Instagram and other kind of things. still works likes charm, no lags at all.
Stock kernel is good. even if you want to squeeze more, then try phantom R7. It working good with it.
I should recommend MIUI Rom to everyone cause it's superb. everyone should try it at least once.