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Home screen reloading issue?

Hi everyone. Home screen reloads/ restarts are a common issue on the international sgs3. Anyone here experiencing the same problem under heavy usage?

Not a thing after 2 days. Been trying games, apps and the whole nine yards most of the time without any reloads or restarts for almost anything.
Amazing, coming from an Atrix.

nativestranger said:
Hi everyone. Home screen reloads/ restarts are a common issue on the international sgs3. Anyone here experiencing the same problem under heavy usage?
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Hey OP this will NOT be an issue. This thing has 2GB of RAM...even with a ton of apps running I always have at least 800-900MB of RAM free at all times. Android will never have to restart the launcher so you'll never get homescreen redraws. The issue you're seeing is because of the less RAM and the TW launcher having to be killed in memory to free up memory and then reloaded.

Diviance said:
Not a thing after 2 days. Been trying games, apps and the whole nine yards most of the time without any reloads or restarts for almost anything.
Amazing, coming from an Atrix.
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Thanks. How about multitasking? If you leave the browser open and go to other apps will it kill off the browser and make you reload the tabs?

nativestranger said:
Thanks. How about multitasking? If you leave the browser open and go to other apps will it kill off the browser and make you reload the tabs?
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Nope. Again 2GB of RAM!!!
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mobilehavoc said:
Nope. Again 2GB of RAM!!!
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You do realize this restarting has absolutely nothing to do with available RAM, and everything to do with buggy Samsung coding in TW3, right?
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mobilehavoc said:
Nope. Again 2GB of RAM!!!
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Thanks for the info. This is a real problem on the international gs3.

Goronok said:
You do realize this restarting has absolutely nothing to do with available RAM, and everything to do with buggy Samsung coding in TW3, right?
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Not true, the same issue happens on Sense phones like HOX because of available memory. Android will dump TW or Sense from RAM if it runs out of available memory so the app you are currently using can function fine. Then when you finish with that app, the launcher has to be reloaded to memory which is the refreshing you see.
It's a known/documented issue. More RAM solves the problem because the launcher (along with many other apps) remain in memory always since there's plenty of free memory for other apps.
This is triple confirmed from my experience using a Galaxy Nexus, HOX and now a US GS3. Even if I use Nova Launcher on all 3 if I really push them the GN and HOX will refresh Nova once in a while while the GS3 will never do that.
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At a technical level in all computer systems (mobile or desktop, etc.) MORE RAM = LESS PAGING.
Read this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging

Goronok said:
You do realize this restarting has absolutely nothing to do with available RAM, and everything to do with buggy Samsung coding in TW3, right?
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You are wrong. It has EVERYTHING to do with RAM. Hence the NA versions of this phone will not see the problem.

This is with tons of apps and services running. I've been watching it, it rarely drops lower than 800MB.
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nativestranger said:
Thanks. How about multitasking? If you leave the browser open and go to other apps will it kill off the browser and make you reload the tabs?
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As of yet, even while running probably 10+ apps at once, I have yet to have had any have to reload anything when coming back to them even after a few hours.
It has to do with RAM and the memkill settings the company used on the device. The OneX has ridiculously aggressive settings, for example.

More ram just masks the real problem, poorly written software. 1gb should be more than enough on phones. If WIN7 can run on 1gb, a phone should have no issues. 2gb is just a marketing tool atm. One X is rarely using over 500mb ram on my device.
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nativestranger said:
Thanks for the info. This is a real problem on the international gs3.
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No its not
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c5satellite2 said:
More ram just masks the real problem, poorly written software. 1gb should be more than enough on phones. If WIN7 can run on 1gb, a phone should have no issues. 2gb is just a marketing tool atm. One X is rarely using over 500mb ram on my device.
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What you say may be true. The problem is definitely due to partly poor memory management by software. For example on my international SGS3 when I have about 150mb left and i open a memory heavy app it chose to kill off my home launcher or my browser (2 frequently accessed apps) instead of a bunch of inactive cached apps. ICS/ Touchwiz seems very agressive in auto caching unwanted apps but very reluctant to free up memory by quiting those cached apps.
Now we don't know if this is Samsungs fault or google ICS fault but several phones on ICS all have this regressed memory management issue from gingerbread. There is not much that can be done to improve the situation. So it looks like a 2GB phone is the best bet at the moment if you want proper multitasking experience on ICS.

brian6685 said:
No its not
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Speak for yourself. Several members including me have already encountered home launcher or even music player quiting when using the browser.

Nvm..
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nativestranger said:
Thanks for the info. This is a real problem on the international gs3.
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No its not lol I have both and I'll tell u the us version lags more often but it also can use more apps like I ever use 12 apps at once also its funny cause I think the ram issues are now gone I have no reloads not one even running many apps
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This is definitely an issue on the American version. Every time I hit home the stock launcher reloads. Tmobile s3 btw.

PePPaZ said:
This is definitely an issue on the American version. Every time I hit home the stock launcher reloads. Tmobile s3 btw.
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Something is very wrong with the TMobile version. No such issues on AT&T
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Yea AT&T here, never reloads.
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Jelly Bean RAM Hog

OK guys after spending two days with the new Samsung official software I was wondering if anyone else thinks that its a RAM hog. I have to keep killing the apps in the task manager otherwise I see lag while opening apps and things. Anyone else think this? Or could this possibly be because I quickly loaded about 40 apps onto the device? Any thoughts? Personally I hope Samsung will just improve and mature the software and it will get smoother. If not I might grab one of those deodexed ROMs.
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Official software, stock kernel?
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Yes, I'll edit that in. Thanks for pointing it out.
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mdemons12 said:
OK guys after spending two days with the new Samsung official software I was wondering if anyone else thinks that its a RAM hog. I have to keep killing the apps in the task manager otherwise I see lag while opening apps and things. Anyone else think this? Or could this possibly be because I quickly loaded about 40 apps onto the device? Any thoughts? Personally I hope Samsung will just improve and mature the software and it will get smoother. If not I might grab one of those deodexed ROMs.
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I heard that Android loads apps in RAM for faster use unlike Windows. So if you close them, it loads them again, and that causes more bettery use. So why don't you try the phone without closing apps and compare which works better. Some poorly written apps cause lag and consume alot of system resourses. They should be closed and better be uninstalled.
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im having major laggs here and there and then i gotta reboot sometimes regardless of rom jb that is wierd
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mdemons12 said:
OK guys after spending two days with the new Samsung official software I was wondering if anyone else thinks that its a RAM hog. I have to keep killing the apps in the task manager otherwise I see lag while opening apps and things. Anyone else think this? Or could this possibly be because I quickly loaded about 40 apps onto the device? Any thoughts? Personally I hope Samsung will just improve and mature the software and it will get smoother. If not I might grab one of those deodexed ROMs.
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Get OMEGA 27. It is very snappy. Make sure you do a complete wipe meaning formatting system and reinstalling all your apps.
It is very snappy. Do a custom install and choose to install or not install V6 SUper Charger which always leaves 200 mb of free ram. Your phone won't multitask as well but it will keep everything fluid.
Although I optioned not to install V6, and everything has been perfectly fine.
YOu can always install or uninstall mods thanks to OMEGA FILES that comes with the phone. Highly recommended.

SlimJ87D said:
Get OMEGA 27. It is very snappy. Make sure you do a complete wipe meaning formatting system and reinstalling all your apps.
It is very snappy. Do a custom install and choose to install or not install V6 SUper Charger which always leaves 200 mb of free ram. Your phone won't multitask as well but it will keep everything fluid.
Although I optioned not to install V6, and everything has been perfectly fine.
YOu can always install or uninstall mods thanks to OMEGA FILES that comes with the phone. Highly recommended.
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I'm on CheckRom 5.5 because 3.5 was so good for me on ICS.. But 5.5 is leaving much to be desired, maybe I'll try Omega

tawheed12 said:
I'm on CheckRom 5.5 because 3.5 was so good for me on ICS.. But 5.5 is leaving much to be desired, maybe I'll try Omega
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Free RAM is wasted RAM
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sean.geary said:
Free RAM is wasted RAM
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True...
Your optimal ram ram should be 100~110<ram<150~200

SlimJ87D said:
Get OMEGA 27. It is very snappy. Make sure you do a complete wipe meaning formatting system and reinstalling all your apps.
It is very snappy. Do a custom install and choose to install or not install V6 SUper Charger which always leaves 200 mb of free ram. Your phone won't multitask as well but it will keep everything fluid.
Although I optioned not to install V6, and everything has been perfectly fine.
YOu can always install or uninstall mods thanks to OMEGA FILES that comes with the phone. Highly recommended.
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I just did a Google search of it and it seems that the quadrant score is fairly low and about the same as stock? Is that true and reflective on the ROMs performance?
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So I had a quick look around and I think it would be between the RonenROM and Omega v27. Thing I can' stand about custom ROMs is the frequent updates and having to reinstall ROMs and that. Anyway, I might chuck one if them on. Any thoughts?
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Root and remove kies.exe and disable ripple effect for me always 400 mb free
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mdemons12 said:
So I had a quick look around and I think it would be between the RonenROM and Omega v27. Thing I can' stand about custom ROMs is the frequent updates and having to reinstall ROMs and that. Anyway, I might chuck one if them on. Any thoughts?
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Why are you worried? I stuck with Omega 13 for months. You should only force an update if you were:
1. Trying a test rom and then official came out.
2. Or if it has problems and a X.1 version came out.
Omega only updates every time a leak rom appears but that doesn't mean you have to update.
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mdemons12 said:
I just did a Google search of it and it seems that the quadrant score is fairly low and about the same as stock? Is that true and reflective on the ROMs performance?
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I haven't checked quadrant but the point of Jelly Bean is that it implements a better use of a GUI than ICS. So quadrant isn't going to take those kind of things into account.
Omega 27 is working better than Indies last ICS for me which was 13.1
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mdemons12 said:
I just did a Google search of it and it seems that the quadrant score is fairly low and about the same as stock? Is that true and reflective on the ROMs performance?
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quadrant doesn't mean a thing about how snappy the rom is.
Uninstall quadrant as it serves no REAL purpose.

stock odexed here, just cleaned up 300mb of bloatware. RAM at the end of 2 days is 600MB used, didn't cleaned up RAM. You better don't cleanup, it will just piss off the apps and will consume more juice.

Task killer

Does anyone use them?
Heard from some guys at verizon they can actually be bad for your device not sure if I believe that so what is your opinion ?
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Care to explain why they're bad for your device?
As yes, I use them

Well he said on newer devices they can slow them down , I was super convinces by this either
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It does more bad than good. Its forcing applications to be removed from the memory. Which is uneeded as android will handle its own memory there is no need for you to use a task killer. When you clear apps from the recent apps list.. that does the same thing as a task killer.. but natively. It will remove the apps from the background and will indeed stop them. Dont worry about task killers.

ÜBER™ said:
It does more bad than good. Its forcing applications to be removed from the memory. Which is uneeded as android will handle its own memory there is no need for you to use a task killer. When you clear apps from the recent apps list.. that does the same thing as a task killer.. but natively. It will remove the apps from the background and will indeed stop them. Dont worry about task killers.
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So use or not to use?

You can use it.. Am using it with any problems..

Wilks3y said:
So use or not to use?
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Really... No, that whole post was the reason why. its still up to you to decide.. but i vote no.

Nice yea I'm feeling no just wanted community opinion
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Exactly what ÜBER said, task killers are a no-no.
In theory they slow your device down, cause extra battery drain and are not needed since eclair 2.1.
They remove running services which the device loads back up into memory again using CPU cycles which uses battery.
Leave android handle all memory, it has had a major overhaul since it was first created.
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V6 supercharger for i9505?

Is it possible to have some kind of V6 supercharger mod for i9505 too?
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Why would u need this ?
The phone is damn near light speed already.
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You don't need that...
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Okay.. but i see ram usage is high from time to time..
So why not ??
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joeherlev said:
Okay.. but i see ram usage is high from time to time..
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High Ram usage is great. It means a lot of stuff is being cached and ready to execute in an instant when you want to.
What's the point of having a 2GB phone while only using a fraction of it...
So why not ??
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Because those apps/scripts usually do more harm than good...

I have a S4 and I have it set on max 500
CPU DONT ASK HOW LOL... And my phone is hyper fast.......
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joeherlev said:
Okay.. but i see ram usage is high from time to time..
So why not ??
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Please unlearn those misconceptions about Android RAM usage.
Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Android, like Mac OS and Ubuntu, wants to use all the RAM it can, because that's how it was designed to work. There are settings (in Android we call them "minfree" settings) to tell the system how much RAM to leave free and available, but the rest is designed to fill up as fast as possible and stay that way.
You're probably thinking "What's it filling up with?" That's a great question. After the system, graphics, radios, and any other tweaks to RAM are done loading, the rest is there to load apps into memory, right up to the point where the OS says to stop. Load the app as it's being used, and keep it there for the next time until it needs flushed to free space for something else. The more you use the system, the better it gets at keeping the right things loaded and ready to go. Think about how you use your phone -- you might have 100 apps installed, but there are a few you always are opening and using. Eventually, most of those apps will be stored in your RAM, simply because you're always opening them and loading them into the RAM if they weren't already there -- and "erasing" other apps that were there first. Loading an app from your storage takes longer, is harder on the battery, and overall worse than loading it from it's cached position in RAM.
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SOURCE...
Not the best explanation but should help turn the tide...

Gillion said:
Please unlearn those misconceptions about Android RAM usage.
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Not the best explanation but should help turn the tide...
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free ram is not wasted. you are the one who has misconceptions
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hisname said:
free ram is not wasted. you are the one who has misconceptions
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OK... within a specific context we are both correct.
So let me make my context more clear.
Unused ram is wasted RAM... if that is the wording most accurate.
If the RAM of your device has most of your favorite apps in background running or cached... its better for the system... rather than constantly loading it fresh from NAND and pulling last computed data from cache.
Lag can kick in when an app that is currently running (such as top line games) needs more space and it has to wait on the os memory manager to clear out background apps that haven't been used for a while... ugghh
Recently for early GS4 ROMS with the camera crash issue, when RAM falls below 200-Megs... the memory manager is too slow to free up enough "used" RAM for the Camera app causing a very slow and laggy camera or worse reboot of the device.
One work around is to use developer mode and limit the number of processes to 4... thus a minimum amount of "free and unused" ram was assured and the camera would not load slowly or reboot the device when loading,
It seems like this whole unused ram issue will always be with android until we get phones with 4Gigs of RAM... yeah righ;pt

[Q] S4 RAM Question

Just have a quick question iv'e heard that on the s4 that touchwiz takes up a lot of ram from the 2gb available does that mean if i install another ROM will give me more ram to work with ?

Yes ,but Android is not Windows. Free RAM is wasted RAM. Without touchwiz and the Samsung bloat give you more space on infernal SD. If Android need RAM so the low mem killer kicks in and clean unused apps.
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H0[)iNi said:
Yes ,but Android is not Windows. Free RAM is wasted RAM. Without touchwiz and the Samsung bloat give you more space on infernal SD. If Android need RAM so the low mem killer kicks in and clean unused apps.
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ok thanks for the reply csn you have multiple apps open and still be lag free and smooth?

Youngpuzzlez said:
ok thanks for the reply csn you have multiple apps open and still be lag free and smooth?
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Depends on how many apps are open and what rom because if have a custom boalt free rom you will not have any laggs but if you have a device filled with apps like sammy rom you sometimes might have some laggs
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medoooooo said:
Depends on how many apps are open and what rom because if have a custom boalt free rom you will not have any laggs but if you have a device filled with apps like sammy rom you sometimes might have some laggs
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ok thanks for helping