So I have installed a few games (portal, Half Life etc) and moved them to the external SD card but the load times are pretty bad. They are pretty bad of the internal flash as well actually.
So I'm considering rooting and using foldermount to put the games on USB 3 hard drive I have plugged in. Has anyone tried this and if so did it speed up load times, or am I the first to test?
I have 64gb silicon class 10 micro SD card with upto 90mbps read I have no problem with the load times or lag as a matter of fact I couldn't even tell the difference between Internal storage and micro SD card loading times only buy class 10 micro SD
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I have a class 64gb class 10/Sandisc and the read is about 35 but the write is shocking at about 6. I've linked to external usb3 hd now and getting sustained 80 read and 50 write. I tested the internal nand as well and that was 200 read and 50 write. It really depends on the game though. Half life 2 has pretty bad load times reagardless of where its installed. I'm beginning to think it's just poorly optimised game. Doom 3 has no issues.
Yes I am talking about half life 2 and all the games I downloaded
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Strange Half life 2 takes 30 sec plus to load for me initially and when moving between levels in the game. I don't think it's specific to my device lots of reviews I read mentioned the long load times. I'll try a full flash when the next version of the firmware comes out. I've rooted but not installed anything exotic lol
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OK so I've been running many version and builds of android since day one on my tmous hd2. At first it was with the stock 16gb sdcard, (till it got corrupted, LOL) so then I switch to a 2gb I had around. I have only formatted this 2gb card once in the begging and never again.many times I have deleted the android folder and many times I has switch to new builds ( I think I try everyones.latest I been using n very stable JDMS 1.3) n haven't had any issues. Like freezing or SOD. Now two days ago I help my friend with his and his wife's tmous hd2 with the 16gb card. So I did a fresh format fat32 then flash the same rom (ozDroid) and radio I been using for months. It results they are getting freezes and occasionally SOD. So for a test I took my wife's tmous hd2 with 16gb card did the hole setup an guess what the freezing and SOD is the more often..when I don't get any with my sdcard 2gb. Could there be an issue with high capacity cards. And could that be the reason why many tmous have the more problems with freezes and SOD
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I use stock 16gb and dont have those issues.
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this is common knowledge in the IT field. the larger the card, the more slowly it will write and access small files, such as the files needed to run android. take 100 small text files and copy them to a 256 thumb drive, and an 8 gb thumb drive. you can copy them all to the 256mb drive, and delete them all again, before the are all copied to the 8gb thumb drive. the 8 gb drive, will work much faster copying an .avi, or large file than the 256, but it sucks at lots of small files.
but it's good that you're posting your exp here. many people would not know this otherwise, and may stop experimenting with android due to frustration, when all they need is a $10 2gb card from walmart.
another couple tips when dealing with solidstate memory. just like a harddrive, files can become fragmented if you have multiple tasks or file transfers going at the same time. to avoid this, make sure each is done before starting another set of files. next, do not defrag solid state drives. they only have a limited amount of times they can read and write to each sector, and defragging, and excessive copying/deleting, wears down the material, and kills sectors of the drive. and last but not least, watch your battery. just as it says not to attempt an install with less than 50% battery, don't run your phone down to a dead battery when possible. because your booting of the microsd, it's constantly being accessed by read and write functions, and if the battery dies before it finishes writing, you get corrupted files, and you'll have to do your install all over.
No lockup or freeze with 16GB.
prking07 said:
I use stock 16gb and dont have those issues.
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Same here. 16 gb SDHC, no problems.
I haven't noticed any difference between a Class 2 2gb, Class 2 16gb, or a Class 4 8gb - they all run about the same with not noticeable differences in boot time, smoothness, or SODs, even though the class 4 is 2x as fast.
hi guys,
before you post any comment, you can grab a none SDHC card, and do a comparison.
if you have benchmark software, please look at the "access time", the None-SDHC card always faster than the SDHC card. not the speed, but the access time.
after I change to 2GB SD Card, I never meeting any sleep, lag program with any version of roms.
if you don't have none-SDHC card, please do not make any conclusion.
16 gb class 10 kingston sdhc
works great
compaired a class 6 no name 8gb sdhc and the stock 16gb class 2 the class six lags less than the class 2 but the class 10 16 gb kingston is super fast
I am using class 4 8GB and 16GB, no diffrence found.
I can confirm, going from 16gb to 8gb, I've had far less issues with the 8gb card using the same setup. 0 SODs when I'd get them daily with the 16gb card. May or may not have anything or everything to do with it, but I'm sticking with the 8gb card. lol
My experience has been that performance has been about the same whether using a 2 GB SD card or a 16 GB SDHC. However, it seems that my 16 GB card was slower at one point because I had an excessive number of individual files on it. It's a double edge sword because you have all that capacity but the more you use it the slower it seems to run.
I had this issue aswell but I updated my radio to 2.12.xx.xx. and since then I have not seen any performance issue due to the SD card size.
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hi guys,
before you post any comment, you can grab a none SDHC card, and do a comparison.
if you have benchmark software, please look at the "access time", the None-SDHC card always faster than the SDHC card. not the speed, but the access time.
after I change to 2GB SD Card, I never meeting any sleep, lag program with any version of roms.
if you don't have none-SDHC card, please do not make any conclusion.
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That's very presumptuous of you.
I fixed all of my lag and screen freeze problems with a combination of setCPU settings, ADW launcher settings, and updating my radio rom.
Before I finished doing all of that this morning, I'd get a freeze from wake fairly often. Since then, not a single freeze, and trust me, I've been trying to get it to freeze up.
Believe what you will my friend, but punishing yourself with a 2GB card just seems silly when people are outright telling you that the size isn't the problem.
Good luck either way!
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That's very presumptuous of you.
I fixed all of my lag and screen freeze problems with a combination of setCPU settings, ADW launcher settings, and updating my radio rom.
Before I finished doing all of that this morning, I'd get a freeze from wake fairly often. Since then, not a single freeze, and trust me, I've been trying to get it to freeze up.
Believe what you will my friend, but punishing yourself with a 2GB card just seems silly when people are outright telling you that the size isn't the problem.
Good luck either way!
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Yes ur are right with the new builds and using setting and programs like setcpu or even auto killers will help eliminate this problems. But I I said in the first post was that high capacity cards tend to give u more problems, using my 2gb (I think all the way to 6gb is non high capacity) I have no need for such adjustments to whatever build I use..u can read post 2, is very well explain there.
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My 32GB did worked only one time, after first reboot i cant use android. But 2gb works like a charm
I bought a class 6 card and popped in the N1 and started copying files via USB... except it peaked out at 2mb! wtf, thought I, have I been screwed?
Pop it in a SD adapter, plug it into laptop.... copies at 8.5mb/sec
It would appear that the Nexus One itself limits the speed of sdcard writes. There is no point putting anything other than class 2 into the N1.
What a let down
Well the point is internal write speed, not external. Example would be taking a 720p video where you need fast write speed.
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Well the point is internal write speed, not external. Example would be taking a 720p video where you need fast write speed.
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Also the problem of slow write speeds has also already been discussed in multiple threads. Pop my sd card into my old touch pro 2 and it copies files 5 times quicker than my nexus
I just got an "advertised " centon class 6 card. It seems a little quicker. I can't tell. Anyone can shed some light on this?
Maybe because the card is empty and doesn't have thousands of files on it, like my previous one does, might have something to do with something.
using a faster card will impact the performance slightly. Any time the phone has to go to the SD card to read something (opening apps, pics, videos, etc.), the faster it can read it, the faster it performs.
Is it necessarily noticeable? Probably not.
not a placebo at all, If you had let's say a Class 2 or class 4 sd card and you get a class 6 you can tell the difference.
I changed the stock card for a class 6 and I can tell the diffence as when you view pictures or play music.
For recording and watching video and copying data would benefit from a faster card. With video, you can get studdering if the card can't send and receive data fast enough to keep up with higher bitrates. If you have a card that reads two meg a second and a video that plays at almost four, the card would probably be the bottleneck.
On my old phone (moto backflip). Using aps2sd and swap on the sd card I noticed a difference. I went from the stock card to an 8gb class 6 and then to a 16gb class 10 and noticed a difference each time.
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On my old phone (moto backflip). Using aps2sd and swap on the sd card I noticed a difference. I went from the stock card to an 8gb class 6 and then to a 16gb class 10 and noticed a difference each time.
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Glad to hear this as I just ordered a 16GB class 10 Patriot card from amazon, was only 35.99 Beats the hell out of my current 4GB class 4
The class of a card is based on write speeds. It could still have bad access speeds which wouldn't do anything to help performance. Random access speed is the spec you care about for stuff other than taking pictures or video. I would look up tests people have done on the card before buying and get one with fast random access speed. There is no easy way to know other than benchmarks people have done. For example I have a 2gb class 2 card that works with a few emulated games(castlevania por in particular) that even a class 6 gives problems. Also it only matters when you are accessing your SD card of course.
I haven't noticed any increase in performance with a faster sd card. The only thing I noticed is a lot better is HD video recording. It can now record HD video without stuttering like before.
Hello,
I happen to have 2 fast microSD 64 gigabyte storage cards, and decided to run a benchmark test on each, using my International Galaxy Note II model GT-N7100. I thought there might be some interest on the forum in whether there's any significant performance difference between these cards on our devices.
The two cards are as follows:
- Sandisk Ultra Class 10 64gb microSD
- Samsung UHS-1 64gb microSD
Both cards are empty, and factory-formatted with the exFat file system. Prior to testing on my phone, I mounted each card in a USB 2.0 card reader attached to my Windows 7 laptop and did a full chkdsk with sector scan to verify the storage was as advertised and there were no problems. Both cards scanned as clean with no detectable problems.
My phone is running Android 4.1.1, using Samsung baseband N7100XXALJ2, kernel version 3.0.31-310959, with a build number of JRO03C.N7100XXALJ3.
This phone has never been rooted or flashed with a non-factory ROM.
The benchmarking program I chose to use was "SD Card Tester" version 1.0.5 as downloaded from the Google Play Store.
Each card was tested immediately after rebooting the device and waiting one minute for the system to fully stabilize. Power Saving mode was not active during these tests.
I ran each test 3 times. The results below are the average of the 3 tests per card.
Sandisk Ultra Class 10 (64gb) results:
13.68 MB/s read, 10.26 MB/s write
Samsung UHS-1 (64gb) resuts:
32.8 MB/s read, 14.65 MB/s write
I hope some of you find this information useful. If anyone has questions or suggestions for other ways to compare these storage options, let me know.
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interesting..
Samsung :good:
I'm getting different results but with 32gb SanDisk class 10
Thx for that
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I was getting worse results with my phone but considering the Sandisk only cost $40 I'm not overly concerned. So long as it doesn't die on me. The Samsung card is like double the price of the Sandisk.
Well, I've got a bit of a disappointing update as I've continued to work with these cards today.
Once you load up these cards with data, a lot of the performance advantage for the Samsung appears to go away.
I now have both of these cards about 33% full (same directories and files on each), and I'm finding no more than 1.5 to 2.5 MB/s measurable difference, either in writing or reading. Although the Samsung has remained the fastest in every test so far, it really isn't much of a difference at this point.
I'd like to understand why the Samsung card appears to suffer more of a performance drop than the Sandisk as the cards fill up, but can't hazard a guess right now.
The small differences I'm now seeing, both in tests as well as normal usage, certainly do nothing to justify the premium price of the Samsung card, IMO.
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My results
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My results
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Couple of comments:
1) You need to bump up the size slider to about 2150MB to get a reliable result. As you move the slider, a colored pop-up will turn green when you have reached a size that should yield "excellent" results.
2) Unless you have somehow swapped the internal & external storage cards on your device, your screenshot appears to show the results of testing your internal card rather than your external one.
If 2) is the case, here is a graphic showing how to select your external card (it can be somewhat tricky with this app, especially the "tap" called for in step one - I often have to double-tap rather than single-tap, and it usually doesn't work the first time or two I try it...).
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My 64gb class 10 SanDisk results:
TJCacher said:
Well, I've got a bit of a disappointing update as I've continued to work with these cards today.
Once you load up these cards with data, a lot of the performance advantage for the Samsung appears to go away.
I now have both of these cards about 33% full (same directories and files on each), and I'm finding no more than 1.5 to 2.5 MB/s measurable difference, either in writing or reading. Although the Samsung has remained the fastest in every test so far, it really isn't much of a difference at this point.
I'd like to understand why the Samsung card appears to suffer more of a performance drop than the Sandisk as the cards fill up, but can't hazard a guess right now.
The small differences I'm now seeing, both in tests as well as normal usage, certainly do nothing to justify the premium price of the Samsung card, IMO.
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Can this be corroborated?
SANDISK Micro SDXC 64 Go
Writing : 17,06 MB/s
Reading : 31,35 MB/s
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SANDISK Micro SDXC 64 Go
Writing : 17,06 MB/s
Reading : 31,35 MB/s
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How full is the card
I have a PNY U3 Turbo Performance 64GB High Speed MicroSDXC Class 10 UHS-I, up to 90MB/sec Flash Card. It seems to get slower with time. I mean it is literally taking me like 60 seconds to delete a few pictures. The card is formatted to portable storage. I only store music and photos on it. Reformatting offered no improvement. It is borderline unusable.
So, I benchmarked and found that my read speed is about 59 mb per sec and my write speed is 4.4 mb per sec. I can live with the read speed but the write speed is horrible. What gives?
How many pictures are you talking about, and how large are they?
128KB clusters?
I found trying to use 4K clusters in exfat was resulting in the same slowness. Reformatted to 128KB clusters and it flys (~20MB/s write ~70MB/read). Sandisk ultra plus 64GB.
I have this issue as well I have one of the fast Samsung cards. First few months worked great super fast but now takes a while to carry over a gig of pics and music. I also notice lag in loading and delteing photos through the phone
These are normal pics 5-6 MB. There has to be something wrong.
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These are normal pics 5-6 MB. There has to be something wrong.
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If you find any info/solution let us know.
Im thinking about running it through one of the tests that show the read/write speed, if its not up to par on that I will contact samsung see if its covered under their warranty.
Why not opt for a 128GB sd card? My Moto X Pure will be here Thursday. I have a 64GB in my old phone but I may get 128.
Has the OP tried backing up their data and reformatting the card?
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Has the OP tried backing up their data and reformatting the card?
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Yes, I have tried this a few times and it did not help. The write speed of this particular card is somewhere between 5 and 9 mb/sec. I have used multiple benchmarking tools that all confirm the same thing. The sad thing, if you drill down into the specifications for a lot of these new sd cards there is no mention of write- speeds. I asked a question similar to my OP on Reddit and had somebody with the same card echo my issue. Terrible write speeds. I am not in the mood to buy another card with great specs only to find it performs poorly in my phone? There is still a part of me that thinks it's hardware or software related and specific to the phone. I can't quite believe that something advertised as "turbo", UHS-1, Class 10, and 90 mb/sec has an actual write speed of 5 mb/sec. It seems criminal.
^^See my post #3. I've found this card to have very good write speeds on the phone of ~14-16 MB/s, reads around 40-50. On the pc through a usb 3 card reader I can write at the speeds posted above.
But yes, unless you drill down, the marketing and advertising doesn't list write speeds. I can see why. It all depends where you'll be using it. I'll be lucky to see sustained 10MB/s read through my dash cam (not sure what the write speed even is) even through the card is capable of 40MB/s +.
I should say, using the moto x, through MTP, I've seen read speeds upwards of 35-40MB/s, write speeds of about 7-10MB. The card is faster through twrp, backup stats indicate ~14-16MB/s.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/micro-sd-speed-chart-t3196020