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With Linpack I see people getting to 848mhz and even 1ghz.
I lose stability at 787mhz and I'm ok at 768. I know that different chips vary... but 1ghz difference?
Is there a way to overvolt on the Eris I don't know of?
The eris OC at 1ghz....thats a lie and some one is pulling your leg lol. The eris is not built handle that and if it did reach 1ghz the motherboard would burn up.
Yeah but 848mhz isn't so farfetched. I can do 787 for a while without any freezes. The freezes do happen though.
If you overvolt it shouldn't be impossible to get up to 848mhz.
As for the 1ghz + entries on linpack's site I think it must be another phone running Eris ROM's/ basebands.
Hungry Man said:
With Linpack I see people getting to 848mhz and even 1ghz.
I lose stability at 787mhz and I'm ok at 768. I know that different chips vary... but 1ghz difference?
Is there a way to overvolt on the Eris I don't know of?
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I can do 806 all day with Aloysius but my buddy with the same exact setup (i setup it up, so I nkow its exactly the same) can only get stable at 768.
I have not seen anyone with proof or that is respectable, show that they can keep their phone over 806.
"Begin envy now "
I do lol
So there are NO overvolt kernels/ methods?
I can run 806 stable with evil Eris 3, most of the other roms crash when I clock them at 806.
Lucky lol my processor seems to be stuck at 768. 787 doesn't last too long and it's not worth the random FC'ing. I'm sure it would be stable with more voltage and heat hasn't been an issue for me at all at 768 even with Pandora/ Zenonia running for quite a while I haven't gotten even lose 50C.
The question is why would one want to OC that high. I see absolutely no difference in performance at 710 vs anything higher. Probably even lower than that. I just don't see why you would want to run any higher and eat up your battery as well as tax the processor and board more when there isnt a noticeable difference other than linpack scores. Just my opinion but I think all new to OC'ing should be aware that faster isnt always better.
I know that lol I mean... a lot of people who overclock computers don't do it for a performance boost, they do it because they want to see if they can. They won't get better gaming performance they just get a slightly better benchmark.
I want to do it just to do it.
Ok rock on speed demon On that note, I wonder if it could be clocked to the max in a freezer room. If the low temp would help or if it is just hardware limited.
The MAIN problem with overclocking with voltage modification would be heat/ ****ty PSU. I'm sure the Eris battery can get up pretty high, it's a matter of staying cool. I would like to see how high I can get with cooling but I don't even know if overvolting exists for the Eris lol
Dont know about over but I know you can undervolt on it.
If there's undervolting there should be overvolting... someone has to know lol I've tried searching XDA and google but I can't find anything specific.
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The question is why would one want to OC that high. I see absolutely no difference in performance at 710 vs anything higher. Probably even lower than that. I just don't see why you would want to run any higher and eat up your battery as well as tax the processor and board more when there isnt a noticeable difference other than linpack scores. Just my opinion but I think all new to OC'ing should be aware that faster isnt always better.
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I tested 710, 768 and 806. I didnt just test with linpack either. I just used apps I normally would run, running for a few days and what not and noticed a difference from 710 to 768 but not really a noticeable diff from 768 to 806. I still keep it at 806 for reasons that my battery life is better. Dont ask me how or why but it just is. I have mine set at 806/480 and for sleep, 480/240. Now most of the day my phone is just in my desk drawer so that could be the reason but i still go a full day with heavy use at the end of the day (bt, wifi, internet radio, run keeper) and still have about 30%+ left when I go to sleep at 10
I have never had a problem with battery lol since overclocking my phone I've only increased battery life. Significantly so.
There has got to be some sweet spot there for OC'ing that gives best perform with least batt consumption. Just wish I knew what it was.
People are getting high because all processors aren't the same. So some can handle, some can't. As for the 1ghz it's a big lie. According to several people including jcase linpack scores can be easily edited and faked. I wouldn't believe anything on linpack that's outrageous.
I sorta figured they wre faking somehow. And I know some processors can handle higher speeds, that's the basis of overclocking. I want to know if I can overvolt my processor.
Can't help you there. Maybe go ask in the IRC? I'm curious if you can as well.
I can hit 787 and run stable... linkpack scores around 5.3-5.4. Oddly enough, my fone refuses to run at 768. I actually have to use a txt file for setcpu to remove 768 from the equation with profiles and the setcpu "trick" my battery life is GREAT. Much better than "stock" even.
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Hi guys,
I have been running Fresh since I first rooted my phone months and months ago. I would say, that on average, I would get high 1400s to low 1500s in quadrant with either net's or king's kernels. Lately, however, as I was finding time to update the benchmarks on my sig, I found that my quadrants are landing at about 1100s. I don't remember them being that low with net's 4.3.1 kernel and below. Anyone else having issues with his latest (4.3.2) kernels? Everything other than the low quadrants are fine; including fps2d and linpack.
Also, I tried CFS and BFS with the same results.
Any ideas?!
Thanks in advance...
Quadrant tests don't mean ****. Does your phone run OK? If it does, don't even worry about it.
Did you upgrade you Quadrant? The new one reports lower scores.
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Did you upgrade you Quadrant? The new one reports lower scores.
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Indeed! That might be it. How come it reports lower now? Shouldn't they have adjusted the other phones listed as well then?!
I can't remember exactly, but I think they fixed something that was causing scores to be falsely reported as higher than they actually were. Not sure why they didn't adjust the scores in the graph, maybe they were unaffected by whatever was fixed?
Well, anyone else experiencing the same thing? Lower quadrants?!
unless you love stroking your ego, these scores mean nothing. as long as the phone is snappy and responsive for you, don't worry about "lower" scrores
Yep I get a lot lower scores on all roms and kernels I use.
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Just tested on fresh 3.5.0.1 with stock kernel and got 1014.
I couldn't imagine a phone running any smoother than this and I have no need to overclock or tweak or anything. Easily get 16 hours on a charge with moderate use.
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unless you love stroking your ego, these scores mean nothing. as long as the phone is snappy and responsive for you, don't worry about "lower" scrores
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I understand that it isn't accurate, but it is still the most used method of comparing between and within devices. As long as the 'innacuracy' is constant across the board, what does it matter? It also, somewhats, can give you a glimpse of whether a ROM or kernel is better or worst than others. Which is what I mostly use it for. A 300-400 drop is significant IMHO and I don't feel I'm crazy for inquiring about it.
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Just tested on fresh 3.5.0.1 with stock kernel and got 1014.
I couldn't imagine a phone running any smoother than this and I have no need to overclock or tweak or anything. Easily get 16 hours on a charge with moderate use.
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Good to know I'm not the only one. I didn't notice any change in performance on my end too. Just thought the sudden drop was weird.
Thanks!
from my experience, there's tons of things you can do to improve quad scored but do nothing in the realm of real world gains. look up data2ext for serious I/O boosts
edit: just for fun, i loaded up the same set up. overclocked and set to performance governor and i get about 1300's
I can set it as high as 1646. IV looked around and it seems that people use 1504. Is it unsafe to go any higher?
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1400 is safest I run Alexandra iii
if you go up to 1.6 GHZ, you might get SHUTDOWNS...
if you don't run any games, or apps, sure it will work. But not smart to overload it.
If on Custm ROM, Read DEV Notes, usually they'll say (or mention about Kernel changing)
as a rule I keep it on 1.5 Ghz (when 1.6 was max) (have tested on about 8-10 diff roms) (never have had any shutdowns yet)
*** also maybe use a meter app to check TEMPS (like battery TEMP)
Cool Tool - shows battery temp, RAM, Proc Freq, + more in little box on screen all the time (adjust settings)
https://market.android.com/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
"setCPU for Root users" - underclock to lowest when off, set lower cpu freq if battery gets warmed to ur custom Degrees)
http://www.setcpu.com/
***Some custom ROM's have thier own Freq CONTROLER app (that could clash with prog or have 2 progs do the same thing)
Like humans NO TWO CPU's are equal
All of the above it true with one exception..NOT every cpu is created equal Not all ram chips and so on also live up to this..
Start over clocking your cpu slowly. as you push clocks higher of course lower voltage. This keeps heat down .
Two processors even made on the same casting can be totally different . Where one will take more heat with less errors and corruption and the die next to it will almost crash running its designed clock speeds . Being that extreme is very rare with a few exceptions. most are close as to a common ability. within a few 100 mhz.
So the answer is there is NO TRUE Answer. its trial and error but on the side of caution and testing clock speeds and heat is not a 30 second yes it runs. Do it over a week or so. I know with my dragon cup in cell phone its at its end of life from being over clocked for a few years. some last longer some die quicker.. Its kinda like drinking on your brain the more you drink the more cells you kill.. The hotter your cpu gets the more transistors fail the slower it becomes the more errors you have .
Relax .. go slow.do not expect to get what everyone else is claiming. and you will be fine..
Sorry again for long winded post..
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I can set it as high as 1646. IV looked around and it seems that people use 1504. Is it unsafe to go any higher?
Thanks
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Any is unsafe. Higher speed equals heat and heat kills semiconductors. Might work for a while but why risk it
My daughters has been running at 1.6GHz for 2.5 months without any crashing or blowing up.
I say at 1.6, you're starting to enter the "red zone", sort of asking for problems. Why go up that high? I mean, 1.5 shows enough performance improvement over the 1GHz...
Hi all.
Why is it that I'm plagued by inconsistent benchmark results?.
Same ROM, kernel, temp....results that vary by 3.5k wtf?.
I'm killing all apps & cache each time, even ended up reflashing kernels each time but no joy. Losing patience now : (
All i want is a rom/kernel combi that gives me consistant figures.
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Hi all.
Why is it that I'm plagued by inconsistent benchmark results?.
Same ROM, kernel, temp....results that vary by 3.5k wtf?.
I'm killing all apps & cache each time, even ended up reflashing kernels each time but no joy. Losing patience now : (
All i want is a rom/kernel combi that gives me consistant figures.
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performance depends on various other attributes... like temperature etc.. ie if phone is hot it wont give good benchmarks due to thermal throttling... i guess that answers your question....
Why do you actually care about benchmark results? Surely this experience must prove to you that they're a wildly inaccurate indication of performance? Anyway, it could be to do with the thermal throttling especially if you do multiple runs of a benchmark in a row.
EDIT: Reread your post and saw you said that the temperature was kept the same throughout.
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Hi all.
Why is it that I'm plagued by inconsistent benchmark results?.
Same ROM, kernel, temp....results that vary by 3.5k wtf?.
I'm killing all apps & cache each time, even ended up reflashing kernels each time but no joy. Losing patience now : (
All i want is a rom/kernel combi that gives me consistant figures.
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i bet its because you let it scale, plus other variances. when you benchmark, set the max cpu speed to be the same as the min. for example, 1512mhz highest cpu/1512mhz lowest cpu. also, your score wont be the exact same every time, itll vary slightly even if you do everything right(but not by 3.5k). and yes, heat. itll get hot and throttle, at different points of the test. you can disable throttling completely for better/consistent results.
Cheers to both of you guys.
I know that the figures are not too useful but was just initially using them to check if tweeks to kernrel etc have been +ve/-ve.
Also my biggest curiosity is about thetmal throttling. Now this seems to happen despite temps not reaching those set in kernel app.ie throttling set
to 70c yet performence being raped at 60°c
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Cheers to both of you guys.
I know that the figures are not too useful but was just initially using them to check if tweeks to kernrel etc have been +ve/-ve.
Also my biggest curiosity is about thetmal throttling. Now this seems to happen despite temps not reaching those set in kernel app.ie throttling set
to 70c yet performence being raped at 60°c
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just because it might say 60C, it could have already reached 70C before the 60C was reported.
UOTE=simms22;40966537]i bet its because you let it scale, plus other variances. when you benchmark, Initially max cpu speed to be the same as the min. for example, 1512mhz highest cpu/1512mhz lowest cpu. also, your score wont be the exact same every time, itll vary slightly even if you do everything right(but not by 3.5k). and yes, heat. itll get hot and throttle, at different points of the test. you can disable throttling completely for better/consistent results.[/QUOTE]
Cheers Simms.
I was leaving the max/min as they would be 'in real life' to simulate hie it would be on a day to day basis.
Im starting to think my n4 may be faulty then as the heat rises so damn quick despite lowering voltage by 100.
I keep getting excited by 21.5k results after flashing rom, then finding scores drop to 19/20 k : (
Initialy ELE, carbon & slimbean gave great results, then alas, no joy
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Cheers Simms.
I was leaving the mleaas they would be 'in real life' to simulate hie it would be on a day to day basis.
Im starting to think my n4 may be faulty then as the heat rises so damn quick despite lowering voltage by 100.
I keep getting excited by 21.5k results after flashing rom, then finding scores drop to 19/20 k : (
Initialy ELE, carbon & slimbean gave great results, then alas, no joy
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by letting it scale, the phone chooses what cpu speed it wants to use, leading to inconsistancy. and the temp is going to rise that fast no matter whos n4 you are using. when i bench, i disable throttling and force my cpu to stay at one speed. thats how you get consistant results. undervolting wont help you at all with heat from benchmarking and can lower your scores.
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by letting it scale, the phone chooses what cpu speed it wants to use, leading to inconsistancy. and the temp is going to rise that fast no matter whos n4 you are using. when i bench, i disable throttling and force my cpu to stay at one speed. thats how you get consistant results. undervolting wont help you at all with heat from benchmarking and can lower your scores.
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Epic advice as always Simms. Much appreciated.
Golden question now is....how do I disable thermal throttling without crazy juju programming stuff.
I may have become a flashing junkie but know absolutely nothing about programming.
Is throttle disable available through kernel apps?, I have trinity & franko ones?
su(press enter)
echo N > /sys/module/msm_thermal/parameters/enabled(press enter)
running this script via a terminal emulator will disable throttling, or going to that location via root explorer and changing the Y to a N. this works woth trinity for sure, not sure about franco(it should work unless francisco changed the location. running this script with a Y instead of an N will turn on throttling again.
Ok so now I wen into franko app. Raised thermal throttle level to 100°c (surely phone can't hit that high so shouldn't throttle)
Flashed ziddeys otg franko (had 21.5k score before using this with slim), now just scored 18980
.ok I'm gonna delete an tutu and forget about it
Aldo set max/min the same.
Ok before I delete it I'll try that code thingy you added , cheers.
But phones start to throtle when battery temperature gets to 37°C and that overwrites your CPU throtling settings.
Example:
If you get to battery temperature 37°C the phone will start throtling even if the CPU temperature is less than 70°C.
EDIT: It starts to throtle at 37°C. And throtels CPU, GPU and Screen brightness. All is in thermald.conf file in system/etc/
Code:
[batt_therm]
sampling 5000
thresholds 360 370 380 390 410 420 450
thresholds_clr 350 360 370 380 400 410 440
actions cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery
action_info 1512000+400000000+248+0 1296000+325000000+228+0 1296000+325000000+208+0 1188000+200000000+195+1 1188000+200000000+195+1 1188000+200000000+195+2 1188000+200000000+195+3
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Ok so now I wen into franko app. Raised thermal throttle level to 100°c (surely phone can't hit that high so shouldn't throttle)
Flashed ziddeys otg franko (had 21.5k score before using this with slim), now just scored 18980
.ok I'm gonna delete an tutu and forget about it
Aldo set max/min the same.
Ok before I delete it I'll try that code thingy you added , cheers.
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i hit 100C the very first day i had my n4, lol. the rom also plays a role in your scores. bionic/krait optimized roms will score higher(22000-24000+). also, i wont run antutu until my cpu temp is below 30C or if im benching 1728mhz+ below 20C.
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i hit 100C the very first day i had my n4, lol. the rom also plays a role in your scores. bionic/krait optimized roms will score higher(22000-24000+). also, i wont run antutu until my cpu temp is below 30C or if im benching 1728mhz+ below 20C.
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I tried that script on Franco and no joy. Will give it a go with trinity.
I thought mist funky ROMs were bionic/krait optimised? Surely ELE, carbon, liquid & slim are?
I'm gonna put phone in frufhe for a bit & run another test : )
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I tried that script on Franco and no joy. Will give it a go with trinity.
I thought mist funky ROMs were bionic/krait optimised? Surely ELE, carbon, liquid & slim are?
I'm gonna put phone in frufhe for a bit & run another test : )
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carbon should be, slim/liquid i dont know. and be careful about putting the phone in the fridge, it can cause condensation in the phone which can damage it. turning off the screen for a few minutes should be enough to cool it down, unless its really warm in your area.
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carbon should be, slim/liquid i dont know. and be careful about putting the phone in the fridge, it can cause condensation in the phone which can damage it. turning off the screen for a few minutes should be enough to cool it down, unless its really warm in your area.
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Thanks for being patient with a noob. I'll reflash carbon.
Is there an easy way to tell if a ROM is krait optimised?
Xmaster8 said:
But phones start to throtle when battery temperature gets to 37°C and that overwrites your CPU throtling settings.
Example:
If you get to battery temperature 37°C the phone will start throtling even if the CPU temperature is less than 70°C.
EDIT: It starts to throtle at 37°C. And throtels CPU, GPU and Screen brightness. All is in thermald.conf file in system/etc/
Code:
[batt_therm]
sampling 5000
thresholds 360 370 380 390 410 420 450
thresholds_clr 350 360 370 380 400 410 440
actions cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery
action_info 1512000+400000000+248+0 1296000+325000000+228+0 1296000+325000000+208+0 1188000+200000000+195+1 1188000+200000000+195+1 1188000+200000000+195+2 1188000+200000000+195+3
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That's real helpful, much appreciated : )
Xmaster8 said:
But phones start to throtle when battery temperature gets to 37°C and that overwrites your CPU throtling settings.
Example:
If you get to battery temperature 37°C the phone will start throtling even if the CPU temperature is less than 70°C.
EDIT: It starts to throtle at 37°C. And throtels CPU, GPU and Screen brightness. All is in thermald.conf file in system/etc/
Code:
[batt_therm]
sampling 5000
thresholds 360 370 380 390 410 420 450
thresholds_clr 350 360 370 380 400 410 440
actions cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery cpu+gpu+lcd+battery
action_info 1512000+400000000+248+0 1296000+325000000+228+0 1296000+325000000+208+0 1188000+200000000+195+1 1188000+200000000+195+1 1188000+200000000+195+2 1188000+200000000+195+3
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trinity kernel removed thermald, so no battery temp throttling there.
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trinity kernel removed thermald, so no battery temp throttling there.
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I just hope that someone converts a trinity to otg. Ziddey has posted the change log but I'm not technical enough to do it.
Hi all,
Loving the Note 5, but not loving so much how warm it seems to get in my hand, even under light/normal loading. I would be very interested to see some figures from other forum members. To make the test more accurate, I would suggest the following sequence.
MEASUREMENT 1
Close all open apps
Screen brightness 50%
Connect to WiFi (bad cell coverage might raise temperature)
Open App that allows you to see CPU thermal
Let the temperature settle down to a stable marker
Post temperature in celsius (apparently some of the apps have faulty Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion)
MEASUREMENT 2
Close all open apps
screen brightness full
Connect to WiFi (bad cell coverage might raise temperature)
Open App that allows you to see CPU thermal in the background
[*} Use camera app to film in UHD for 1 minute
Multitask switch to CPU temperature app
Read the temperature it reads immediately
Post temperature in celsius
MEASUREMENT 2
Random measurement...
Just any moment when you're doing light/normal stuff
Open the app and read the value in celsius
For me, the results are as follows:
Measurement 1 never goes below 30 degrees.
Measurement 2 was 73 degrees.
Measurement 3 is typically High 30's to high 40's.
1. 32C
2. 70C (within 5 seconds was down to 54C and within 10 seconds down to 42C)
3. 43C
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1. 32C
2. 70C (within 5 seconds was down to 54C and within 10 seconds down to 42C)
3. 43C
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Cool very similar!
Kaboose666 said:
1. 32C
2. 70C (within 5 seconds was down to 54C and within 10 seconds down to 42C)
3. 43C
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it sounds to me that note 45 might throttle badly! anyone tried games on it? dead trigger - vain glory etc!
kamranhaghighi said:
it sounds to me that note 45 might throttle badly! anyone tried games on it? dead trigger - vain glory etc!
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I've been playing KOTOR and hearthstone without any issues or slow downs. Not sure how intensive KOTOR is though.
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I've been playing KOTOR and hearthstone without any issues or slow downs. Not sure how intensive KOTOR is though.
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I don't know about KOTOR either but even my note 4 can handle hearthstone
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I don't know about KOTOR either but even my note 4 can handle hearthstone
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Just played through the tutorial thing in Vainglory and the CPU temp got up to around 60C
game ran just fine, no lag or slow downs from what I could tell.
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Just played through the tutorial thing in Vainglory and the CPU temp got up to around 60C
game ran just fine, no lag or slow downs from what I could tell.
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Good! Maybe I would buy it if i knew i get updates and if it was cheaper!
Anyone else care to chip in? I'm starting to believe the warm in hand feeling is much more pronounced when I'm out and about and using 4G intensely (Youtube + browsing + Spotify). Here at home on WiFi it never gets as warm.
Played Angry birds 2 and PPSSPP emulator(cpu internsive) i do think that the Note 5 throttles, just like G4 or any other phone but not because of the temp, but the Interactive govenor is bugged.
I played tekken 6 on ppsspp and it played 35-50 fps with a bit of lag here and there, change to performance govenor, SAME TEMP, 60fps smooth NO LAG whatsoever, it made AB2 also way smoother.
It's the govenor that might cause the problem, not throttling.
Have to bring this back up to see if anyone is getting cpu spikes.
Coming from a nexus 6 that ran around 95°F on average. My N920T is always jumping from around 115°F to as high as 169°F. The temperature is never constant it's always going high to low. Trying to decide if I should exchange it.
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated
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Have to bring this back up to see if anyone is getting cpu spikes.
Coming from a nexus 6 that ran around 95°F on average. My N920T is always jumping from around 115°F to as high as 169°F. The temperature is never constant it's always going high to low. Trying to decide if I should exchange it.
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated
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I've seen mine hit 80C (176F). This SoC just runs hot. Reminds me of Intel's mess called Haswell. Nothing to really worry about.
EtherealRemnant said:
I've seen mine hit 80C (176F). This SoC just runs hot. Reminds me of Intel's mess called Haswell. Nothing to really worry about.
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I've actually exchange that phone for a new one. The new one has a more stable temperature reading and only gets that hot in testing applications. The new one is much better. I couldn't last a day on the old phone, and it lost about 25% while I slept for 5 hours the day before I exchanged it.