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Android OS (linux) on any smartphone

Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?

noaru said:
Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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one thing would be drivers.

is it possible to install Android OS on Acer E200 which comes with Windows Mobile 6.5? what are the tools to build the custom Rom?

Ok the drivers...that is major..is anyone doing something similar like writing the new drivers?

Takes a lot of time,knowledge and work to build drivers from scratch to different processors.Reasearch teams take months....
Even for qualcomm processors,because OS´s use it in a somewhat diferent way and is coded in the processor itself...thats what i understood for what i read...might be totally wrong i dont understand nothing about that.
Emulation is possible but it wont be the same...laggy,clutered,buggy,etc.

noaru said:
Ok the drivers...that is major..is anyone doing something similar like writing the new drivers?
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I would highly doubt it, but it's always possible.

noaru said:
Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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Here on XDA, Android has successfully been ported to the HTC Vogue (HTC Touch). Progress is going along rapidly on the Raphael, Diamond, and Blackstone. I don't know about any ports to Symbian phones though, XDA is oriented more towards WinMo.
There might be ports going on to Symbian phones, but there probably won't be much information on any Symbian devices here.
But yes, it is possible to port Android to another smartphone, it just requires a LOT of elbow work.
EDIT: Found this forum, it might interest you. People talking about Android on the i8910 http://forums.samsungi8910omnia.com...-cooked-roms/6239-android-1-6-i8910hd-19.html

Well its always nice to hear, that there is somebody doing something..like you guys here on xda. In the case of i8910 it is the matter of the pure hardware..and type of phone..that is very high end..and cannot be compared with phones of HTC type...not yet..i guess the speed, the capacitive touch screen..processor..camera..only bad thing is sucky symbian..

Android or moblin for TG01?

Hi, I'm thinking of how to port android or linux system to TG01, I do think it's possible, but not sure since I've never port android or moblin before.
Here are some of my thoughts:
First, a dual boot software might be used to ensure TG01 won't brick in case of port failure.
Then, can we dump the rom of Nexous one?
Furthermore, is it possbile to use the rom of winmo drives for android system?
Guys interested or skilled in android or linux system or , make contribution please!

The start to both (though it think that you were thinking of MeeGo not Moblin, which was x86 only) is a working Linux kernel.
HaRET is the tool to start the work on a working kernel, and a working kernel is what we need before we even start worrying about a dual boot bootloader.
Dumping Nexus One might help, but I believe it's not the right way. XDAndroid might be a nice starting point for the Android ecosystem, but not necessarily for the kernel. Otherwise I believe that there are some people that work on the HTC HD2, which is a Snapdragon device as well (though there are some differences (e.g. the TG01 has less Ram and most likely different WiFi, bluetooth, accelerometer or whatever chips)).
(I would like to help, but I am no programmer and not experienced with kernel stuff, but I could help with setting up a wiki and trying out stuff)

Please please please have a go. I can't help with anything except a small donation, as the reason I'm going to buy a TG01 is purely because I can't afford an HTC phone at the moment. I was really happy to see a section on the TG1 on here, which was the other reason I decided to go non-HTC.

Thanks to all of you. I can't accept any donation now.
Is there anybody want to set up such a project to port android on TG01?

I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter

dogguns said:
I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter
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maybe we need to make a detailed research first and then figure out a way to start

in my opinion it would be great.
I played with HTC Magic some time and I must say that Android is awesome. Android's applications are so great and free. We have to be honest WM has nothing if we compare it to Android or Iphone's OS. In WM market we can buy crapp for a lot of money and Android's free great apps in other hands. TG01 and Android would be perfect match

Have a go...
I use HTC HERO as my primary devise and Toshiba TG01 as my secondary device. To be honest Win Mo does not do justice and dsnt fully utilize the ability of the hardware available. Android is mind blowing with regards to the usability and specially because of the number of useful free apps on offer. . Android is the way to go. It can transform this device from a looser to an absolute winner. I bought the device for £139 with Android it would be a steal..
Thank you so much. Keep up the good work. Unfortunately I contribute in any manner except donating for the efforts because I am not experienced in this.

Same i do i came from iphone OS and using htc magic android, and i love thousand apps for iphone and android and quality of theese ; so id like anybody could make something like this.
TG01 is a great device but is quite short in software by now.

HTC Desire Z's 2.3.3 ROM to Ideos X5

Maybe it will be very stupid question so Mods can delete it.
I have NO ANY experience in Linux or android. I have programming skills in Delphi and php but that's it - So because HTC Desire Z hardware seems to be kinda very simillar to Ideos x5 and this desire already have official 2.3 version is there any possibility just use that rom add drivers from ideos and use it? We all have different pc's but windows/linux runs in all of them so i think this should be the same

Oxygen, MIUI and CyanogenMod are all Gingerbread based, so no need for another port IMO...

fjsferreira said:
Oxygen, MIUI and CyanogenMod are all Gingerbread based, so no need for another port IMO...
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But i think that people who made it for HTC maybe done this better (no offence here devs). I always read latest news on those roms and always something is wrong. Anyway Android os is **** IMO. It's ****ing minor update but you can't just install it..you need to ****ing programm it to make it work.. why windows xp can be upgraded but Android cant?

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But i think that people who made it for HTC maybe done this better (no offence here devs). I always read latest news on those roms and always something is wrong. Anyway Android os is **** IMO. It's ****ing minor update but you can't just install it..you need to ****ing programm it to make it work.. why windows xp can be upgraded but Android cant?
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I assume you own a huawei x5 phone... didn't you know that it is an Android phone? And if yes, why did you get it if you think android is ****?
And you're wrong in thinking devs can't produce high quality custom ROMS as miui, oxygen and Cyanogen ROMS will show you. Yes, there are minor bugs, but they are being worked on.
On the quality of the android community, remember that it wasn't by chance that Samsung hired Cyanogen mod's founder...
Sent from my Huawei u8800

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I assume you own a huawei x5 phone... didn't you know that it is an Android phone? And if yes, why did you get it if you think android is ****?
And you're wrong in thinking devs can't produce high quality custom ROMS as miui, oxygen and Cyanogen ROMS will show you. Yes, there are minor bugs, but they are being worked on.
On the quality of the android community, remember that it wasn't by chance that Samsung hired Cyanogen mod's founder...
Sent from my Huawei u8800
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!

Tommixoft said:
Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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It is more to the companies, that are holding the updates. They dont want keep older models up to date because it would hinder their selling of newer models.
If u want a phone that is allways most up-to-date, get a Google Nexus...

You're absolutely wrong...from any perspective
Tommixoft said:
Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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I think that you have no BASIC understanding on Operating System and hardware components...
Every manufacturer releases updates, just like the one you quoted on this thread from HTC and to upgrade the Desire Z it's very easy, perhaps easier than windows Xp if you want to compare. So, that applies for Huawei in the same manner, except Huawei hasn't realeased 2.3 Roms yet.
Because every handset manufacturer, just like computers, has different hardware components within the phones, it makes the operating system very difficult to port from a handset to another and that's where devs come into equation.
To make this easier to understand, try copying windows files from an Intel machine and start that on an AMD machine...Let me know how that goes.
You're wrong about Android, it's not difficult at all to upgrade or install, in 15 minutes you can have a fresh installation done, with EVERYTHING you had in previous version of Android (including apps, contacts, settings etc) I'd like to see that happening with IOS from Apple, when it takes ages to do an upgrade, not to mention a fresh install...
Android is the most versatile operating system on the market at the moment and time will tell...It started from practically nothing and now it's the most used mobile OS on the market.
Now on this topic, which is useless by the way, this Rom is a stock one for Desire Z, which has absolutely no use for any existing development project.
This reply may sound a bit blunt, but you don't really know what you're talking about...

I know what i'm talking about, i just, as i mentioned, i do not know linux.
I very well know operating systems and that mobiles have a harware that have to be driven by software, and alll of them needs drivers... So as i sayd - take drivers from 2.2 and put them in 2.3 - if android is so versatile it should work. That's what was the main question- why it's not possible to do that. We already have Ideos drivers. Or you need to edit some core android files to fit hardware?
Anyway let's leave this topic, moderators can delete it

Tommixoft said:
I know what i'm talking about, i just, as i mentioned, i do not know linux.
I very well know operating systems and that mobiles have a harware that have to be driven by software, and alll of them needs drivers... So as i sayd - take drivers from 2.2 and put them in 2.3 - if android is so versatile it should work. That's what was the main question- why it's not possible to do that. We already have Ideos drivers. Or you need to edit some core android files to fit hardware?
Anyway let's leave this topic, moderators can delete it
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im not any linux expert, and i just have basic understanding of OS in principle back from my colleage days..
anyway i would think that there are already lots of experts working on this android phone, and if it's really that simple to accomplish, it should have been accomplished already..
and if it happens that we have to wait for each iteration of the update to get little bit of improvements here and there, there are reasons behind..
(this is from my experience as a java programmer for ten years..)
and finally, if u think u can out-smart those guys, why not go and prepare a ROM urself?
ur words will then be much recognised with a ROM to speak on ur behalf..

WHo said i can out think them? Just i saw official ROM to work with this particular processor what ideos have and i was thinking-hey maybe that's what they need'ed - some "Drivers" for this processor so they can extract it and use it. That's it.
And it's sounds kinda very logic to me.
cause i don't uderstand - how it cannot work if 2.2 have all drivers need'ed so what's the problem? And that's the question because of no knowledge in Android, and i'm thinking from windows perspective and by that point it looks very easy.
[unless they need source codes of drivers and Huawei do not share them, so they cannot use compiled versions or something.

hmm it sounds good, but let say that the processor and the GPU are the same like in the Desire Z, the RAM chip is different, the display is different , the mainboard is different the camera is different ,sensors are differnet and when we combine all that in one ROM with CPU drivers from Desire Z and all old rivers from huawei we get totall mess
So that why DEV's just make optimization of all that stuff to work normal (well thats why appears and some minor bugs because is hard to compile new drivers and software to run over them)

TyphooN CyanogenMod 7

Whether you plan to add a feature usbhost ?

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Whether you plan to add a feature usbhost ?
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You are posting this in the wrong forum.you would get a faster answer by posting your question in the build's thread itself. But, since i use the same build as you,i can provide you with what i know. USB host is already available on WM for HD2. (http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-use-htc-hd2-as-a-usb-host-device-tutorial/). For now, it has its limitations, such as only being to use mass storage(but thats already a awesome feature). For Android however, it can be done (http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/host.html) but since Android on HD2 is not native, the devs will have to sort it out. Developing the kernel,the framework and the app would be possible as the means and knowledge of doing so is there. But the problem is developing the driver. I would not say its impossible, but it would take more time and definitely more time for it to be cooked into Typhoon or any other build. But, if you really want it, you can try it out for WM for now

About the possibility of using UsbHost in WM, I know, but it is interested in Android, there are specific applications I'd like to use ... In some assemblies Android it works, but too heavy from too much flash for Sense 3.0. PS: In the volume of the firmware I can't post messages because, I have low-karma (

Anyone working on an OS upgrade for the NST? cm7? ubuntu?

I Can't wait to get an upgrade

This has been discussed over and over again here at XDA.
The short answer is no, no one has announced that they are working on something like this so far.
The question we usually ask in return when people are asking for this is why? What do you expect to gain from porting CM to the NST?
Porting a system that is made for LCD screens to a unit with a slow eInk screen would either make for a horrible user experience or require a ****load of work tailoring every little part to work properly on eInk.
Sure there are a few things available in CM that could be useful on the NST, like USB Host mode support, and lately we've had some good progress on this and we're currently working on making something useful out of it.

So long as Ubuntu is never ported to this, I'm fine.
Sent from my NOOK using XDA App

the advantage would be future proofing and also then being able to learn from the cm7 community.
The interface would need major tweaking, yes. But the interface i use is already needing tweaks anyway. There is no eink android specifically designed so yeah we are having to cut new ground because manufacturers feel there is no market as we develop this thing in lieu of that
At the moment there's a chance something new comes out, the nook nst people become a very small forgotton bunch of people, nobody buyd them now because they're superseeded and nothing new is possible to install on them. You're then stuck with the software you got, an obselete device. Like a vic20 rather than a c64
I'm sick and tired of phones, pdas and computers that are now useless because of this compared to (for example) old computers now running linux

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At the moment there's a chance something new comes out, the nook nst people become a very small forgotton bunch of people, nobody buyd them now because they're superseeded and nothing new is possible to install on them. You're then stuck with the software you got, an obselete device. Like a vic20 rather than a c64
I'm sick and tired of phones, pdas and computers that are now useless because of this compared to (for example) old computers now running linux
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A valid point, but one must not forget that the NST is first and foremost an eBook reader, and a pretty good one too if you ask me.
For its intended use it will stay current and perfectly usable for many many years to come, there's only so much you can do to improve on the eBook reading experience
I personally do not think it is worth it to put down the amount of man hours required to properly port something like CM to this device.
You want it to stay current but as other devices move on to ICS we're gonna be stuck way back in the 2.x line anyway, because this device simply don't have the required hardware to run later android releases.

Roger the few things I'd like in an upgrade would be the running apps from SD card and a real work to allow calendar programs. Ryan
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If someone wants to start porting CM to NST then they need to start with a CM for the Nook Color, the display won't work, you probably won't have any input, you'll need drivers for different things. But other than that a lot of the initial work for the board might already be there. However no current dev for CM sees the NST as worth it to port and a lot of devs for the NST either don't have the time, motivation, or knowledge to.

I will repeat myself again, porting CM7 doesn't make sense. IMHO better would be new lightweight android ROM based on android 2.3 that would drop B&N stuff (since those customizations are just breaking things) and make nook to be a e-ink "tablet" with market,google account sync, etc. working out of the box.
I am quite satisfied with my nook as it is right now but there are still some issues that requires some hacking and this is not very comfortable for newbies. Moreover a lot of those hack are not compatible (they are replacing the same files with custom hacks) and therefore might not be working properly together. I do not need B&N stuff and even if I would some book from B&N, I believe it could be probably done through android B&N app.

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I will repeat myself again, porting CM7 doesn't make sense. IMHO better would be new lightweight android ROM based on android 2.3
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How is straight AOSP any less designed for lcd than cm7?

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How is straight AOSP any less designed for lcd than cm7?
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Valid point.
Also, patching the Android 2.3 kernel will take some serious effort.
We're not even at the point where we can compile the stock kernel entirely from scratch (kernel modules)
And even if we succeed in patching the kernel there's the matter of all the specialized Android stuff that B&N made for the NST, which we don't have the sources for..

Because it is too advanced. You would have to disable/exclude so many things from CM. I have CM7 on my phone, did you ever went through it's settings? Most of the tweaks are not applicable for nook because it is phone or graphical functionality related and might be causing troubles and break things or nook. Would you take over those patches just to delete them again later? Why?

I'd gladly have to deal with complex settings menus that might cause me to wipe my Nook a few times just to have an OS that works correctly.