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Would you recommend Android 4.4.1 over 4.3?

UPDATE: would you recommend Android 4.4.1 over Android 4.3 on the Nexus 4? Why? Why not?
Okay, a little title change here. So I'm hearing some good things on 4.4.1, so let me ask you a few questions, even if it may be too early at this point:
- anyone who didn't recommend 4.4 before feels like 4.4.1 is major step forward?
- how's battery life, especially in regards of wakelocks and unexpected drainage? Does wakelockdetector work now?
- how's 4.4.1 performance compared to 4.3, both stock, is it definitely snappier?
- how's camera performing to 4.3, how's photoshere stitching?
- anyone running it WITHOUT factory reset and 4.4 & 4.4.1 installed over 4.3, experiencing zero problems?
Thank you!
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Okay I guess it's a question I want answer to, but I posted in the General cause more than a simple answer I look forward to a positive discussion on the matter - is 4.4 stable, app-supported and bug free enough right now to easily recommend the update, would you rather suggest to wait until bug fixes or would you flat out say avoid it?
I added a poll to get a statistical look of the Community's take on this so others can check where 4.4 stands now on the Nexus 4 according to XDA.

Of course, KitKat is a great update. It's the best Android version yet and I love where Google is going with it.

BoneXDA said:
Okay I guess it's a question I want answer to, but I posted in the General cause more than a simple answer I look forward to a positive discussion on the matter - is 4.4 stable, app-supported and bug free enough right now to easily recommend the update, would you rather suggest to wait until bug fixes or would you flat out say avoid it?
I added a poll to get a statistical look of the Community's take on this so others can check where 4.4 stands now on the Nexus 4 according to XDA.
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obviously yes, the 4.4 google nexus update is awesome, dunno for other devices ( in future ). by the time samsung launches it, it will be full of bugs, ala 4.3 for s3

I think everyone who has an unlocked bootloader should for sure. Definitely needs to be ran for a couple days to get a feel for it. If you want customization you'll most likely go back to 4.3 as 4.4 rom's don't have very much. (yet)

Performance and UI changes (if there..) are nice. On the other hand there are too many bugs to recommend it. Also, and this does not apply to many, battery life of my N4 sucks after some days on KK. No, there is no bad app. Ask my bbs stats

ccab said:
Performance and UI changes (if there..) are nice. On the other hand there are too many bugs to recommend it. Also, and this does not apply to many, battery life of my N4 sucks after some days on KK. No, there is no bad app. Ask my bbs stats
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I also have to say my battery life sucks now that I'm on 4.4.
Not sure what it is but I got 12 hours TOTAL. Not even with a lot of use. Most of the time the screen was off and I didn't much use it. That's compared to a full day of life when I was on JB.
I'm wondering if a factory reset would help it.

I'm running KRT16O on my phone and loving it. However, it appears I was one of the lucky ones. No bugs, no bootloop.
KRT16S is obviously not ready for rollout. It's been soft-bricking devices like crazy it seems. I hope Google halts the OTA and fixes this. Until then, I'm sticking with 16O.
Hold off and wait.

So, there are plenty of bugs here, lags on the lock screen, lags in the applications, applications which still doesn't working, camera is making very bad pictures and so on - take a look to android 4.4 bugs forum.
I am back to 4.3 and waiting for 4.4.1.
No, i don't recommend 4.4 on the nexus 4 yet.
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Recommended. I'm on KRT16S with no problems whatsoever. Great fluidity and no bugs.

I think 4.4 has some good news, but not worth it. I was using paranoid ROOM with linaro franco kernel and i`m ready to get it back on my device.

krt16s
KRT16S is very good image,my phone is full apps and all working without problem,i use nova last beta 3 launcher and working realy fast,i dont like GEL icons(too big for me),battery is great,after 10 hours stand by time 4-6 %, ,on screen i think is wery good,betther than 4.3....no FC,no lags,everything work fluid and fast....
i flash with FB,and after flashing factory reset....

It's significantly better than 4.3 IMO. I personally clean flash for every major update after taking a backup, and I'm having absolutely no issues. UI is extremely smooth, no bugs with tethering or anything of that sort and battery life has actually improved.
I'd recommend a clean flash if you have the time, just to be thorough.

I would definitely recommend it. Performancewise...it has never been better imo! I don't experience any of those bugs mentioned above. Smoothness is just amazing.
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Thx guys!
Wow, quite difference experiences... so it appears there are bugs, but not for everyone...
How's that ART thing on the Nexus 4? Is it too experimental at this point to be of everyday use?

BoneXDA said:
Thx guys!
Wow, quite difference experiences... so it appears there are bugs, but not for everyone...
How's that ART thing on the Nexus 4? Is it too experimental at this point to be of everyday use?
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I switched to ART immediately upon updating last week. It runs great. I've only had a few bugs(Timely takes about 10 seconds to open). Beyond that, I like it. I let my friend who is using CM 11 on his GNex try it out last night and he was impressed with the performance.
If you get KitKat to install without soft-bricking, you're going to have a good experience IMO. However, due to the risk of bootloop, I cannot recommending the update at this time in good conscience.

4.4 is the best android version so far, and with ART is amazingly smooth!

Sure - I have been using since a day after Google released the factory images and I didn't have a single problem with it. I also flashed zip for transparent nav bar in the lockscreen and installed Nova launcher beta and everything is as smooth as butter

Well, i'm not using ART so far because I don't like to use a hacked lib or an outdated app to be able to use all my apps with it.
That aside, KRT16S has been awesome so far, battery life has improved, the UI is much smoother and with ApexPro 2.2.0 beta 1 the interface has the same transparency as GEL (Which I uninstalled already. I don't like the kiddie-sized icons, it looks too toy-like).

On KTR16S ... Battery is worse than KTR16O which is worse than 4.3 for me... My experience with ART was not great, but probably because my phone is almost full of files and got full (system and free space for storage) after a long time to optimize...after that I didn't notice a better performance and missed some of my apps so returned back to dalvik ...but I would recommend KitKat....I like GEL and about its size icons I changed DPI than got great for me
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bjacks12 said:
If you get KitKat to install without soft-bricking, you're going to have a good experience IMO. However, due to the risk of bootloop, I cannot recommending the update at this time in good conscience.
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I'm sorry I still carry some noobage... install without soft bricking, what do you mean by that? I'm waiting for the OTA but still undecided whether to install when it arrives. Speaking of, if it does, can I install it over 4.3 keeping my apps & settings? I'm unrooted and not planning to.

z1c with CM11 April 4 build - highly recommended

I finally had a bit of time to install the latest build of CM11 on my z1c this weekend. I've previously tried a few different ROMS:
- Stock rooted Sony KK 4.4 - too many bugs, not usable for me
- Stock rooted Sony JB 4.3 - works fine, just very hard to go back to JB after using KK daily driver (Moto X) for so long
The current build of CM11 for the z1c (as of this writing, April 4th) is really, really solid! It feels the way KK 4.4.2 should, not the hybrid, buggy Sony version! I don't mind not having the "Sony" apps (Walkman, etc) since I'm used to stock KK. I haven't done enough testing yet with the camera, but apparently it supports full 20mp resolution. Sure, you lose Sony's camera UI but I'm ok with that. Along with GravityBox I was able to get my z1c to feel like my Moto X (well, except active notifications!).
The CM11 build lacks Sony's bugs (the ones I had run into involved everything sound related - notifications, alarm, video playback, etc).
I highly recommend this route for anyone who has unlocked their bootloader and wants a very stock look and feel without Sony's bugs!

What about battery? Can I expect the same battery performance as with stock kernel?
Sent from my D5503

shotgunj said:
What about battery? Can I expect the same battery performance as with stock kernel?
Sent from my D5503
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Unfortunately I didn't use it enough with the other ROM's to be able to make a comparison.

Thanks for the fast answer. Camera UI and battery are the two things keeping me from trying CM.
Sent from my D5503

mickliq said:
Unfortunately I didn't use it enough with the other ROM's to be able to make a comparison.
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Well lets say, on avarage, how long does the battery last? To compare please provide screen on time (seen from battery in settings)
Thanks

joelkaberg said:
Well lets say, on avarage, how long does the battery last? To compare please provide screen on time (seen from battery in settings)
Thanks
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I'll report back in a few days. I need to compare it to the same usage pattern I have on my Moto X.

mickliq said:
Unfortunately I didn't use it enough with the other ROM's to be able to make a comparison.
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I am with liquid smooth ROM and I have no problems with the battery. It gets me through the day with 40% remaining at the end of the day. This is with moderate to heavy usage: listening to music on bluetooth headphones, push notifications and a few hours browsing.

mickliq said:
I finally had a bit of time to install the latest build of CM11 on my z1c this weekend. I've previously tried a few different ROMS:
- Stock rooted Sony KK 4.4 - too many bugs, not usable for me
- Stock rooted Sony JB 4.3 - works fine, just very hard to go back to JB after using KK daily driver (Moto X) for so long
The current build of CM11 for the z1c (as of this writing, April 4th) is really, really solid! It feels the way KK 4.4.2 should, not the hybrid, buggy Sony version! I don't mind not having the "Sony" apps (Walkman, etc) since I'm used to stock KK. I haven't done enough testing yet with the camera, but apparently it supports full 20mp resolution. Sure, you lose Sony's camera UI but I'm ok with that. Along with GravityBox I was able to get my z1c to feel like my Moto X (well, except active notifications!).
The CM11 build lacks Sony's bugs (the ones I had run into involved everything sound related - notifications, alarm, video playback, etc).
I highly recommend this route for anyone who has unlocked their bootloader and wants a very stock look and feel without Sony's bugs!
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If you do decide to want the sony apps look here
[APP][KK][JB][CM11][CM10] Xperia Z1/Z2 Apps (Z2 Sony Entrance Added)
All working perfectly for me on cm. Only miss the camera

Are custom rom's necessary.

OK a philosophical rant.
I've spent hours trying to decide which custom rom to install. Watched all the youtube videos went on all the developers web sites and read hundreds of pages of threads and yet nothing jumps out at me. I was asking myself why do I want a custom rom. So I went through a checklist of what roms offer
1. Remove bloatware - done that through titanium
2. Display customisations - I use sense and nova and various other gui apps that provide many options
3. Tweaks - I have exposed modules - sense 6, gravity box and xsense which give me all the tweaks I need
4. Speed - my phone's running very well.
5. Gestures - I use gmd gestures
Some roms offer hundreds of tweaks. In reality how often and how many would you change. Also while most roms are stable and bugs are fixable, there are many reports of problems and yes I know they do get fixed eventually but losing wifi, carrier access, reboots, bootloops etc can be disconcerting and a common question is how do I get back to stock rom.
I came to the conclusion that the only reason I wanted a custom rom was to see if I could load one and try it out. Seems like a lot of mucking about to achieve, in my case on this phone, very little.
Have i missed the point of roms?

I installed the Android Lollipop custom rom and it was nice. There were two bugs that I encountered and they were 1) no system r/w access and 2) I kept having to dismount and remount my sd card. I tried Cyanogenmod and while it was nice, I missed Blinkfeed.

It's a presonal preference, really. Everybody has their reason for what operating system they run on their phone. As for me, I like custom ROMs because I like to stay on the bleeding edge. If a new version of Android is released, you can guarantee there'll be a custom ROM for it within 1-2 weeks. Even when the OEM has stopped pushing out updates, custom ROMs give the ability to always stay on the bleeding edge. Also, some people dislike the Sense UI. Understandable, since it does slow the phone down just a bit. But really, it' just down to personal preference.

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It's a presonal preference, really. Everybody has their reason for what operating system they run on their phone. As for me, I like custom ROMs because I like to stay on the bleeding edge. If a new version of Android is released, you can guarantee there'll be a custom ROM for it within 1-2 weeks. Even when the OEM has stopped pushing out updates, custom ROMs give the ability to always stay on the bleeding edge. Also, some people dislike the Sense UI. Understandable, since it does slow the phone down just a bit. But really, it' just down to personal preference.
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Maybe its a Windows vs Mac thing. Its funny you know that I'm an experienced computer teacher and on PCs I always stay up to date and I do like to be on the bleeding edge but when it comes to phones I feel differently but on my Samsung tablet I do have a custom rom. I'm not anti custom rom. Samsungs bloatware is ridiculous, touchwiz is awful and the tablet is very laggy. A custom rom here was absolutely necessary. Now it flies but on the htc one m8, I don't mind sense 6, speed is good and customisations are adequate.

Technically speaking they are not necessary. I prefer stock android to sense.
Also lollipop appears to be a game changer for exposed. It's uncertain the future of exposed.
I know my ROM of choice is miui although it can be a crap shoot to get a stable ROM to my liking so I usually use mi launcher

jbarr3 said:
OK a philosophical rant.
I've spent hours trying to decide which custom rom to install. Watched all the youtube videos went on all the developers web sites and read hundreds of pages of threads and yet nothing jumps out at me. I was asking myself why do I want a custom rom. So I went through a checklist of what roms offer
1. Remove bloatware - done that through titanium
2. Display customisations - I use sense and nova and various other gui apps that provide many options
3. Tweaks - I have exposed modules - sense 6, gravity box and xsense which give me all the tweaks I need
4. Speed - my phone's running very well.
5. Gestures - I use gmd gestures
Some roms offer hundreds of tweaks. In reality how often and how many would you change. Also while most roms are stable and bugs are fixable, there are many reports of problems and yes I know they do get fixed eventually but losing wifi, carrier access, reboots, bootloops etc can be disconcerting and a common question is how do I get back to stock rom.
I came to the conclusion that the only reason I wanted a custom rom was to see if I could load one and try it out. Seems like a lot of mucking about to achieve, in my case on this phone, very little.
Have i missed the point of roms?
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Once u try Xposed Module Xtended Settings (for Sense 6) u won't need a rom. It's ALMOST got more features than s6tb, xsense, htc one tweaker, gravity box,- ALL COMBINED AND THEN SOME THAT NONE OF EM CONTAIN.... Newest versions up on Play Store (Xposed report has older versions).... With this 1 single mod, I have no need for custom rom. Try it u WILL NOT regret it (or turn back either)

Are custom roms necessary? In my opinion yes they are.
1: some people prefer a pure android experience (me included)
2: some people want certain tweaks, apps, and settings
3: and the MOST important one! Faster updates, and longer device life.
What do i mean by device life? Newest android on phones that the manufacturer phased out. Look at the galaxy s3 running 4.4.4, or the galaxy nexus running 4.4.4 and probably 5.0 now. These devices stopped getting updates from their manufacturers but are still good usuable phones, preventing me from getting a new device.
This is why companies have been locking down bootloaders, to get you to buy a new device for new software when the one you own is perfectly good.
So it comes down to taste, preference, and android version.

jbarr3 said:
Have i missed the point of roms?
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Xposed and all these apps which you are using came in very late if you compare them to when custom roms started popping up. Now, me for one prefer to have some of the functionality you use baked into my rom instead of me going to the play store and downloading an app to do so.

R4INS said:
Are custom roms necessary? In my opinion yes they are.
1: some people prefer a pure android experience (me included)
2: some people want certain tweaks, apps, and settings
3: and the MOST important one! Faster updates, and longer device life.
What do i mean by device life? Newest android on phones that the manufacturer phased out. Look at the galaxy s3 running 4.4.4, or the galaxy nexus running 4.4.4 and probably 5.0 now. These devices stopped getting updates from their manufacturers but are still good usuable phones, preventing me from getting a new device.
This is why companies have been locking down bootloaders, to get you to buy a new device for new software when the one you own is perfectly good.
So it comes down to taste, preference, and android version.
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Which rom are you using then?
BTW In Australia we are bypassing 4.4.4 and going straight to 5.0. When I don't know (Jan. was mentioned) but I'll revisit roms when they match my firmware. The point about updates is a good one. I forgot about that.

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Which rom are you using then?
BTW In Australia we are bypassing 4.4.4 and going straight to 5.0. When I don't know (Jan. was mentioned) but I'll revisit roms when they match my firmware. The point about updates is a good one. I forgot about that.
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Im running the google play edition 5.0 lollipop leak right now. Hoping the official google play 5.0 update comes this week. Kinda laggy. I tend to run cyanogenmod (cm11) so as soon as cm12 comes out ill be switching to that

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Im running the google play edition 5.0 lollipop leak right now. Hoping the official google play 5.0 update comes this week. Kinda laggy. I tend to run cyanogenmod (cm11) so as soon as cm12 comes out ill be switching to that
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Flash the antilag fix holyangel posted, it makes things usable imho. Its not 100% gone but its a whole lot better without the fix.

luigi90210 said:
Flash the antilag fix holyangel posted, it makes things usable imho. Its not 100% gone but its a whole lot better without the fix.
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Yeah i have the tweaks all set. Also switched to nova launcher (ditching google now helps). I really only experience the most lag in chrome and keyboard. I could try a differrnt keyboard i guess but it matches so well.

R4INS said:
Yeah i have the tweaks all set. Also switched to nova launcher (ditching google now helps). I really only experience the most lag in chrome and keyboard. I could try a differrnt keyboard i guess but it matches so well.
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Its funny you say that cause im only experiencing lag on google messanger. Everything else is smooth with the occasional hiccup once and a while.
To add my $0.02 to the topic, i feel custom roms in the sense like CM, AOKP, paranoid android, ect. are not necessary unless you have no way to get pure android on your device. Im running the leaked lollipop rom and im loving it aside from the minor lag issues im experiencing, i feel android has itself to a point where if you need to customize something, you have rooted apps that can do it, there isnt any need to have all these seperate apps baked into a rom when you will only use 1/3rd of the features, its just adding more bloat to what could be a pure aosp rom

luigi90210 said:
Its funny you say that cause im only experiencing lag on google messanger. Everything else is smooth with the occasional hiccup once and a while.
To add my $0.02 to the topic, i feel custom roms in the sense like CM, AOKP, paranoid android, ect. are not necessary unless you have no way to get pure android on your device. Im running the leaked lollipop rom and im loving it aside from the minor lag issues im experiencing, i feel android has itself to a point where if you need to customize something, you have rooted apps that can do it, there isnt any need to have all these seperate apps baked into a rom when you will only use 1/3rd of the features, its just adding more bloat to what could be a pure aosp rom
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While I do agree, that the feel of stock AOSP is unbeatable, I don't think that AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and Paranoid Android are completely useless. They have some features that you can't simply add with an Xposed module, or some root app. Take CM's theme manager, for example. I honestly don't know what I'd do without the theme manager. And Paranoid Android's Hover feature? (Which I guess with Lollipop's floating mode, is now useless), but in KitKat, it was revolutionary. And I'm sure they'll continue to add new, unbeatable features in Lollipop, too. And until they stop adding new features, I don't think it's likely that I'll stop using them.

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While I do agree, that the feel of stock AOSP is unbeatable, I don't think that AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and Paranoid Android are completely useless. They have some features that you can't simply add with an Xposed module, or some root app. Take CM's theme manager, for example. I honestly don't know what I'd do without the theme manager. And Paranoid Android's Hover feature? (Which I guess with Lollipop's floating mode, is now useless), but in KitKat, it was revolutionary. And I'm sure they'll continue to add new, unbeatable features in Lollipop, too. And until they stop adding new features, I don't think it's likely that I'll stop using them.
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Hover can be used via gravity box, wanam, and other tool boxes like it, themer however is unique to android but for a user like me who stays with stock themes that feature is moot.
With xposed not working on lollipop i can see where having a feature hardcoded into a rom would be good but thats only if xposed is broken forever.
Thats my $0.02 on the subject though, i personally find no need to run a custom rom on my HTC One M8, lollipop has all the features i use and i only need root to manage my kernel, files(root explorer), sound control, and an app like greenify that forces apps to shut down when not in use to gelp battery life.

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Once u try Xposed Module Xtended Settings (for Sense 6) u won't need a rom. It's ALMOST got more features than s6tb, xsense, htc one tweaker, gravity box,- ALL COMBINED AND THEN SOME THAT NONE OF EM CONTAIN.... Newest versions up on Play Store (Xposed report has older versions).... With this 1 single mod, I have no need for custom rom. Try it u WILL NOT regret it (or turn back either)
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Just installed this and your right, its very good but it is missing a couple of my favourite tweaks from my xsense, sense 6 toolbox and gravity box. Using all of these gives all the tweaks you could possibly want,

primed1 said:
While I do agree, that the feel of stock AOSP is unbeatable, I don't think that AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and Paranoid Android are completely useless. They have some features that you can't simply add with an Xposed module, or some root app. Take CM's theme manager, for example. I honestly don't know what I'd do without the theme manager. And Paranoid Android's Hover feature? (Which I guess with Lollipop's floating mode, is now useless), but in KitKat, it was revolutionary. And I'm sure they'll continue to add new, unbeatable features in Lollipop, too. And until they stop adding new features, I don't think it's likely that I'll stop using them.
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CM theme Manager based on T-Mobile theme engine is used by RichmondoUK in his xposed module too

A custom rom is a great thing but not necessary. I wish i had a custom rom on my m8, but since is almost certain that i can't s-off it, i don't wanna risk not been able to update the firmware or to lose wifi or network signal if i upgrade to a rom based on newer firmware. So i'll keep it stock at least until lollipop comes.

I`d like to add something,
Before knowing that GREAT invention called "XPOSED" , custom roms were a must for me and I assume for every android maniac like me. But now things are totally different , with XPOSED u can have customize ur stock rom in all ways . And thus u get all the benefits of both stock roms "stable bug free" and custom roms at the same time. Guys we shud really thank Mr. XPOSED inventor whoever he is. :good::good:

Jabber Abdullah said:
Before knowing that GREAT invention called "XPOSED" , custom roms were a must for me and I assume for every android maniac like me. But now things are totally different , with XPOSED u can have customize ur stock rom in all ways . And thus u get all the benefits of both stock roms "stable bug free" and custom roms at the same time. Guys we shud really thank Mr. XPOSED inventor whoever he is. :good::good:
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I see everyone talking about Xposed.
Given it's uncertain future in Android 5 I'm afraid for the foreseeable you are going to want baked in features on custom ROMs.
I personally cannot wait to see what themers can do with Android 5.0 in the CM theme engine.
Like others I am also waiting for CM12 as it always just feels more snappy than stock.

LG G3 D850 CM12 Lollipop nightly review

This morning I decided I couldn't hold back from android 5.0 any longer and the update just couldn't come fast enough (it never can, am I right) so being the average android fanboy I looked toward CyanogenMod. I knew all they had was night lies and that was why I held off so long, but my curiosity gave in and I had to. So I headed over to cyanogen and grabbed my handy dandy .zip . I rebooted to recovery and went through the routine, and it just couldn't go fast enough, in reality it was the fastest flash I've ever done. First cm12, then my gapps. Waited for the phone to reboot blahdeeblahdeeblahhh, went through the upgrade process and BAMMM! 5.0 RIGHT IN MY FACE! First look at this nightly 5.0 and I couldn't get enough. The quadhd has definatley been put in effect and it shows. Everything I've used has been fully functional except updating su binaries (prob lack of support for 5 due to being new). The elegance and speed run perfectly along eachother, and my phone has never been faster. I may be speaking to soon, but this project must be somewhere close to a stable build. I'm currently running 1/21 nightly and i recommend it to others, I have found this ROM safe and will continue updating my phone with nightlies
and leaving feedback, feel free to leave your expierience

I never understood why people think that CM12 is so faster than LG's rom. For me both are blazing fast, CM12 could be even slower because it has longer animations (if we compare on 1x speed both). Speaker quality and volume is really lame on CM12 rom unlike on LG's rom. Only two things I dont like about LG's rom is crap lockscreen (CM12 has best lockscreen ever) and new Lollipop look. Kitkat looks much more elegant than Lollipop which looks childish and cartoonish. I bought G3 after having various Nexus devices with full stock google experience, and I gotta say it's nice to have some integrated useful features. CM12 is still missing many features, won't even think about switching to it right now.

Tomogitarist said:
I never understood why people think that CM12 is so faster than LG's rom. For me both are blazing fast, CM12 could be even slower because it has longer animations (if we compare on 1x speed both). Speaker quality and volume is really lame on CM12 rom unlike on LG's rom. Only two things I dont like about LG's rom is crap lockscreen (CM12 has best lockscreen ever) and new Lollipop look. Kitkat looks much more elegant than Lollipop which looks childish and cartoonish. I bought G3 after having various Nexus devices with full stock google experience, and I gotta say it's nice to have some integrated useful features. CM12 is still missing many features, won't even think about switching to it right now.
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I'm in agreement with speaker volume, I noticed after switching over that my phone wasnt as loud as it had been before. I believe a lot of people believe that the simple look of lolipop is what makes it so elegant, its more laid back. There are a lot of disadvantages with switching over to. If your a quickremote user you quickly miss not having it in cm12.

Long story short, custom ROM'S never be good as official ESPECIALLY for LG G3, you just need to understand that, for some people it's ok but for some don't. All you need is a root and MAYBE a custom kernel. PEACE.

Agreed on sound quality but CyanogenMod has many advantage's
I would argued on sound quality and maybe animations just because they are more much nice in CyanogenMod vs stock ROM. Everything else is just plain better in CyanogenMod. I am experiencing a randomly sound beep for about 1 to 3 seconds and dont know why. I am always on the lastest nightly.
Also I love the fact that I can see thr constants additions or fixes CyanogenMod is doing.

Tomogitarist said:
I never understood why people think that CM12 is so faster than LG's rom. For me both are blazing fast, CM12 could be even slower because it has longer animations (if we compare on 1x speed both). Speaker quality and volume is really lame on CM12 rom unlike on LG's rom. Only two things I dont like about LG's rom is crap lockscreen (CM12 has best lockscreen ever) and new Lollipop look. Kitkat looks much more elegant than Lollipop which looks childish and cartoonish. I bought G3 after having various Nexus devices with full stock google experience, and I gotta say it's nice to have some integrated useful features. CM12 is still missing many features, won't even think about switching to it right now.
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B.s..... aosp is way, way faster. LG stock Rom is laggy as hell
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LastSUper said:
I'm in agreement with speaker volume, I noticed after switching over that my phone wasnt as loud as it had been before. I believe a lot of people believe that the simple look of lolipop is what makes it so elegant, its more laid back. There are a lot of disadvantages with switching over to. If your a quickremote user you quickly miss not having it in cm12.
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You realize that you can use quickremote on aosp right? Check the apps section here for a flashable zip

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You realize that you can use quickremote on aosp right? Check the apps section here for a flashable zip[/QUOTE]
Wonderful news, im happy to hear that quickremote is still a possibility, I tried a apk from the stock ROM but it did not work, I'll hunt down the zip

Nightly 1/22 has slight WiFi issues, everything else remains working as far as I could tell, currently trying a more stable 5.0 ROM, illusion

LastSUper said:
Nightly 1/22 has slight WiFi issues, everything else remains working as far as I could tell, currently trying a more stable 5.0 ROM, illusion
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I had wifi and data issues too on CM12. I could barely get 3G on some places at work.

LastSUper said:
This morning I decided I couldn't hold back from android 5.0 any longer and the update just couldn't come fast enough (it never can, am I right) so being the average android fanboy I looked toward CyanogenMod. I knew all they had was night lies and that was why I held off so long, but my curiosity gave in and I had to. So I headed over to cyanogen and grabbed my handy dandy .zip . I rebooted to recovery and went through the routine, and it just couldn't go fast enough, in reality it was the fastest flash I've ever done. First cm12, then my gapps. Waited for the phone to reboot blahdeeblahdeeblahhh, went through the upgrade process and BAMMM! 5.0 RIGHT IN MY FACE! First look at this nightly 5.0 and I couldn't get enough. The quadhd has definatley been put in effect and it shows. Everything I've used has been fully functional except updating su binaries (prob lack of support for 5 due to being new). The elegance and speed run perfectly along eachother, and my phone has never been faster. I may be speaking to soon, but this project must be somewhere close to a stable build. I'm currently running 1/21 nightly and i recommend it to others, I have found this ROM safe and will continue updating my phone with nightlies
and leaving feedback, feel free to leave your expierience
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It's good to hear that CM12 is coming along. I tried it back when it was "unofficial" and my phone was overheating to the point that it actually scared me. Since then I have moved over to Cloudy G3 (which is based on stock). The Cloudy G3 Rom itself is very quick and with the Android L theme from @Kickoff it has a much nicer look that is closer to the stock android UI. I think I will stick with Cloudy G3. The main reason being that I am able to use ExFAT on my SD card and also the LG camera allows you to save to SD and all of the LG features are there if I want them.

Illusion ROM is extremely stable with a good build team, been using for two days now with NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER! Its the full lollipop experience.

I also moved as soon as CM12 become possible to use for daily use.
Room is incredible fast, every day less and less bugs. With the most of them is possible to live with.
Comparing to ****ty LG's android, i finally have feeling that i have good phone. Lag and terrible quality of official android make me to feel sorry for buying this phone (beside battery).

I reverted back to cm12. Running 1/26 right now and its flawless. DO NOT UPDATE TO 1/27! There are major speed issues and connection problems. Illusion ROM lacked features I enjoyed and there settings menu was a train wreck.
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA Free mobile app

WARNING
DO NOT UPDATE PAST NIGHTLY 26!!! after nightly 26 almost all connection services such as WiFi and mobile network will not work or work extremely poorly. I have tested all the way up to nightly 29. All the zips are in some way corrupt. They give red code while flashing but proceed anyways (I'm not a proffesional sorry guys haha). Nightly 29 wouldn't even boot without the kernel crashing. Nightly 26 is running almost flawlessly. I hope someone sees this so they can address the problem. I have still not tried nightly 30. I might try sometime later tommorow, I'll continue updating.

Nightly 30 and 31 are working and everything is starting to get polished over. Nightly 31 received a new boot animation darker than before with a nicer ending. Both run very well with no problems noticed so far other than very minor lag between some animations.

Mind that CM12 is in its early Nightlies, issues will be fixed but it will take time.

Well of course, I'm just recording bugs in each nightly so people will have a better idea whether or not they should move to the next nightly

I'm currently considering this rom. Comming from a Nexus 5 I really miss stock Lollipop. The only thing I was wondering is if it was possible to keep the LG Camera App and if the knock code still works? I don't really care about anything else from the official LG rom.
I notice there hasn't been any update recently to this thread. Are you guys still using Cyanogen? How is it comming along.
Thanks.

tenf00t said:
I'm currently considering this rom. Comming from a Nexus 5 I really miss stock Lollipop. The only thing I was wondering is if it was possible to keep the LG Camera App and if the knock code still works? I don't really care about anything else from the official LG rom.
I notice there hasn't been any update recently to this thread. Are you guys still using Cyanogen? How is it comming along.
Thanks.
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the activeness of this thread doesn't determine the stability of a ROM lol. flash CM yourself and find out. if you want your G3 to be as smooth and flawless as your Nexus 5 was on AOSP, over clock your GPU to 580MHz and it'll fix all the lag. you can do this on the stock CM kernel using Trickster Mod kernel tweaker.
also, no LG camera and no knock code. but there is Motorola camera which is really just as great, and there is double tap screen to turn it on.
Sent from my LG G3

another review can be seen here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJC9B0qa2RY

Best rom for xperia sp discussion

For users-
Hello everyone. xperia sp is old device with old functionality.
ram management is bad, shows 300 ram used while other phone with 1 gb ram dont have this issues.
touch issues and many other you people knows well.
there are a lot developers for xperia sp but which rom should i need to flash is a big question for me still now .
i am an old user of this phone.
this thread is a discussion thread welcomes all users share there experience or tweaks which they think should help each other.
please be friendly and help each other. this is only way to survive with this phone.
For Developers-
Hello Developers. we all love your work and this thread if you all take positively is for helipng the new users to not getting lost here.
i hope all will support.
please remember one thing before posting.
discussion is more about stability & features.

Hi
Please try all the ROMs, and eventually you will find the one that sorts out best for you. Mileage is vary for every person, and the "stability" is kind of a subjective placebo now, since the ROMs have been really mature thanks to the contributions of the developers in this marvellous forum. Basically what I am trying to say is that, it is now dependant on the user on how it feels about the particular ROM he/she is running..
I am a user of this device since December 2013.. It has been a really long journey, and I managed settle on a comforting setup.
This thread shouldn't be created under the Development subforum, but the General subforum instead.
Here, look at what i have in the attachments

Please avoid spamming in the development section :/

Hey there!,
There's always a lot of talk about the 'best ROM' and which one that is, and I get that question a lot via pm, meaning you're not alone on this one but I have a simple answer to that:
There's no such thing called the best ROM. Each ROM has different customization features, optimizations, etc. And the thing is, some people like customization and some like a stock feel. Also a few devices respond differently to different ROMs as well (strangely), some are fast and some are slow and horrible. If there was a 'best ROM', then other ROMs wouldn't exist.
In conclusion, if you want the best ROM, you're going to have to try a bunch of them and see which tailors to your needs the most.
Cheers
NOTE: You might want to contact a moderator and take down this thread or move it to General before Devs come running with pitchforks!

i won't repeat any talk from above because it's clear
no offense @Sam spancer but i reported this thread to moderator to move it to the general section
thanks for ur understanding
edit: thanks for the mod it has been moved (now it's in the right place)

Android Dev place is ze best place for things that are irrelevant. I'm probably going down along with this post because I can't do much these days

You know what the best rom is: multirom, so you can have them all!!

Arno is very correct!

Dear sp users this thread is for help. We should share what we experiencing with the rom.we have so for a person who is new here or want.to install a rom for daily use can have an idea about what to flash now. Thread will have rating feature also later.
Instead of critisizing or telling anything irrelevant does not help to any one.in any manner.
Guys instead of pasting that long messege is you would have said which rom.you.using and.how.satisfied.you are with that. Shared a little experience with other roms whould have helpd yet to a person who is about to.flash some thing.
If we do like this everyone.will be benifitted.

I stumbled upon this thread and it reminded me....that I'm yet to find "the perfect rom" for my xperia sp. I have this phone since April 8th, 2014. It's not the perfect phone, but I still love it as much as I did in day 1, plus it covers all my needs the way I want, so it's my daily driver, and it'll keep being so for a long time. Anyways, I've tried a.i.c.p. 10 (July 18th, 2015 being the best build of those I've used), which was fantastic. The multitasking is exceptional, the ram management is great (I'd say almost on par with the stock 4.1.2 - around 400+ mb of free ram), it was stupidly fast, super stable and also it had great built-in customization (imagine something like a built-in xposed framework or dirty unicorns' "dirty tweaks"). I was using this rom for around 3 months and was very pleased.
After around 3 months, I realised I miss the led bar's functionality level the stock firmwares offer (like, while making a call, if the display is on, the 3 leds will illuminate according to the theme color accent, also when recieving a call and the phone rings the leds illuminate again, etc.), so I reverted back to the stock 4.3, where I had begun with. However, after some time of using it, the stock 4.3 seemed somewhat....sluggish. I'd rooted it, removed all of the bloatware and was running a custom kernel (williams to be exact), so I was looking for a replacement. Having in mind that I didn't want to lose the functionality level of the led bar of the stock firmwares, so I looked for something based on that.
After a long time searching and trying out, I flashed the "original pure stock v3" rom, which is essentialy a quite trimmed-down version of the stock 4.3. I also made a Hatsune Miku theme as I admired (and I still do) the Japan-exclusive "xperia feat. Hatsune Miku" (here's a video about this phone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T751VmtMHPo) and its goodies, flashed a zip I found on xda that contained all the wallpapers (and the wallpaper changer that changes the phone's wallpaper everytime the phone is being unlocked), and also flashed williams kernel so I can have a better level of customization over my phone, and I was good to go. It was a better version of the stock 4.3, but still. Deep down I felt something missing......
Then I found the existenz ultra rom, which I found charming, and wanted to make my own version of the "xperia feat. Hatsune Miku" based on that. Flashed it, made the appropriate mods, and off I went again. This rom is actually stock 4.3-based, but with lots of xperia z2 goodies, so it's like having an xperia z2 with a led bar (which is working perfectly, the job done on that rom is quite good). After adjusting the ram management via the kernel adiutor and taking advice from a thread I found on these forums (if anyone's interested, take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751559), and of course, making the mods I wanted (mostly what I already described in the previous paragraph), I was in peace for quite some time....the ram management is around 300+/350+ mb free, so it's good I guess.
I'm currently rocking the existenz ultra, but I still feel something missing. I thought about reverting back to the stock 4.1.2 and its superb ram management (since I'm starting to have performance & compatibility issues with ppsspp - no idea if it's the app's fault or it's something else), but I'm not sure about that. I just don't know what to do anymore. The phone itself is awesome, but I've yet to find the appropriate rom to combine its hardware with. I'm looking for something that has the exact same led bar functionality of the stock firmwares, but also must be fast, smooth and that lets lots of ram free to take advantage of. If anyone has a suggestion, feel free to suggest. As for now, I guess I won't find peace until I find this "perfect rom".....anyway, these are my experiences with the phone. Hope I can actually help someone.

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I stumbled upon this thread and it reminded me....that I'm yet to find "the perfect rom" for my xperia sp.
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I find my story with the SP just like yours, tryied many different roms and mods for this phone, finally the best 4.3 version for my SP I've found was the leaked version from Doomlord (don't know why, I've runed .207, 205, 266 etc, they all was lagging too much after a week or so. About "best rom thing" don't really know if its the best, but with RR[bugfree] 5.0.2, I was having 595mb free on ram at boot, and after a day of usage it stays in 535mb free. Unfortunately the rom itself lacks of a good optimizations, I am no developer not even close to one and I admire a lot what they do since the days with my galaxy i5500. If I have the knowledge I would take a closer look on that rom.

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I'm looking for something that has the exact same led bar functionality of the stock firmwares.
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From my personal experience that started in February 2014 (the month I rooted my phone) and ended in June 2015 (the month in which I made the definitive switch to CM based ROMs), and given what you said in the part of your post I quoted, I'd suggest you eXistenZ. Under the hood, it's Android 4.3, but all the userspace features and apps have been ported from Kitkat, and, last but not least, it's rock solid. All the ported apps and things you'll find there are completely stable. Also next month I might bring to new life the stock kernel by modding it a bit so users that decide to go back to stock will have much better performance and RAM management.

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From my personal experience that started in February 2014 (the month I rooted my phone) and ended in June 2015 (the month in which I made the definitive switch to CM based ROMs), and given what you said in the part of your post I quoted, I'd suggest you eXistenZ. Under the hood, it's Android 4.3, but all the userspace features and apps have been ported from Kitkat, and, last but not least, it's rock solid. All the ported apps and things you'll find there are completely stable. Also next month I might bring to new life the stock kernel by modding it a bit so users that decide to go back to stock will have much better performance and RAM management.
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If you have free time and you're willing to do this, consider doing it, and you could also retrain good battery life too with this kernel you might make. Also, I'm currently running eXistenZ 4, but do you know if the black version is still based on 12.1.A.0.266 build? As far as I know it's based on that, and 12.1.A.0.266 is the worst build of all the ones that this phone had received.

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If you have free time and you're willing to do this, consider doing it. Also, I'm currently running eXistenZ 4, but do you KNOE if the black version is still based on 12.1.A.0.266 build? As far as I know it's based on that, and 12.1.A.0.266 is the worst build of all the ones that this phone had received.
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I've got no idea. But I'd suggest you to stay with the normal eXistenZ 4 you have already installed.

thanks for share
to start my story is also same
i started with flashing stock roms , stock roms are stable a lot. when we do a action it completes always in stock. but fastness and performance problem is always there no matter it is custom stock or pure stock.
i have used existenz, neildownx pure xperia and many more.
i still flash some time stock but i get annoyed by bad performance in 2 days , what i love in stock is battery and stableness.
now about custom i used mateoo cm11, bagy all rom, slim i love but except cm11 no one is stable.
i love slim but its not syalltable and problems it has are not acceptable.
cm12 or 13 i actually dont prefer.
used adrian cm13 rro
good but i didnt find it as a daily driver. tgere are some bugs in it.
many times i faced a situation when i am using custom rom and i am with frnds about to take photo and camera not opening at all.
system ui crash, whenever this happen i get very anniyed and flash stock.
i never flashed or used stock 4.1
can any one tell me how it is.
i dont care about frleatures or look. everything can be achievlved by xposed. what i ant it a stable blazing fast dailydriver rom .
currently i love cm11 latest by bagyuse and i live his work

Sam spancer said:
thanks for share
to start my story is also same
i started with flashing stock roms , stock roms are stable a lot. when we do a action it completes always in stock. but fastness and performance problem is always there no matter it is custom stock or pure stock.
i have used existenz, neildownx pure xperia and many more.
i still flash some time stock but i get annoyed by bad performance in 2 days , what i love in stock is battery and stableness.
now about custom i used mateoo cm11, bagy all rom, slim i love but except cm11 no one is stable.
i love slim but its not syalltable and problems it has are not acceptable.
cm12 or 13 i actually dont prefer.
used adrian cm13 rro
good but i didnt find it as a daily driver. tgere are some bugs in it.
many times i faced a situation when i am using custom rom and i am with frnds about to take photo and camera not opening at all.
system ui crash, whenever this happen i get very anniyed and flash stock.
i never flashed or used stock 4.1
can any one tell me how it is.
i dont care about frleatures or look. everything can be achievlved by xposed. what i ant it a stable blazing fast dailydriver rom .
currently i love cm11 latest by bagyuse and i live his work
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The stock 4.1.2 is dated, BUT: it has superb RAM management (you easily get 400-430 MB of free RAM - it's on par with KitKat and lollipop aosp-based ROMs), it's pretty fast and rock solid of course. If you're interested in great multitasking you can take a look at that. Bear in mind though that being a now dated version of Android some apps might not be compatible with it. Developers are starting to abandon these versions of Android but I suppose you'll be fine about that. If you want to try something different, give it a shot.

i don't know about doomlord leaked rom,, can anyone provide a link?
also currently I am using bagyuse cm11 latest.. smooth bt slow when one or two app I open, battery not best.
more suggestions for roms needed. also we should compare that stock or custom we should use.

I've been using Carbon LP with Helium kernel for a while. It's the best rom I've ever used so far, and the least problematic one. Fast, stable, bugfree. I've used lots of roms but almost every one of them had problems. But after 3 months of usage, carbon is still in a perfect state and it's fast as it's supposed to be. I strongly recommend that one.

i wanted a rom with all xperia features , and got one from a Brazilian .. the rom is fast and stock modified.. works at best level for me

electro_nik said:
i wanted a rom with all xperia features , and got one from a Brazilian .. the rom is fast and stock modified.. works at best level for me
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can you link that rom?