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[Q] stock google rom vs LiquidSmooth

Hey,
I just wanted to ask does the custom roms really worth rooting? in comparison to the google stock rom how much faster and more battery efficient are the custom rom that specialize in those fields? (i.e. LiquidSmooth from what I could gather) and how much more/less stable are they from the stock rom?
Thank you.

Experience differs from user to user. The most conclusive way to get an answer is to try it out yourself. For me, PA has been just as fast as the stock ROM and had equally good battery life, but I have had the occasional random reboot. To me that's a miniscule trade-off for the features you get. You won't really get a ROM that's significantly faster than a stock ROM though because the hardware on the phone is good enough that everything feels fast.

tomer90 said:
Hey,
I just wanted to ask does the custom roms really worth rooting? in comparison to the google stock rom how much faster and more battery efficient are the custom rom that specialize in those fields? (i.e. LiquidSmooth from what I could gather) and how much more/less stable are they from the stock rom?
Thank you.
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I would recommend you try both and stick with the one that works best for you. Only you can determine which one you like more. The N4 is easy to install a custom rom on (even from stock). Plus with the backup apps out there you don't have to risk losing your data and starting over. No two users are identical and what works for one may not work for another.
For what it's worth, I've flashed back to stock/locked/unrooted because I never came to depend on the features the different roms gave me. I'm getting older and don't have the time to stay current on the different roms and features. All I need for my phone are apps/features that are found in the stock rom and the google store. Battery life is better on a custom rom but it's not worth it to me to continue my "flashaholic" ways. I still get through a day sometimes a day and a half on the stock rom - which is all I need. My use case could be drastically different than yours so don't do what I did unless you know it will work for you.
The developers here do great work and it's a great community so I would recommend you try them all to see which one you like the most.
Good luck.

You need to find the answer yourself.
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its not about me testing for myself because i'm not looking for features or special stuff i can get along with everything i'm really just looking for the fastest most battery saving ROM, thats it, I play little to almost no games basicly mail and scanning and stuff like that(i'm a student right now) and soon i'll be writing some apps for myself for security purposes so I need something to really milk that Quad Core for all its worth so I also need some CPU tweaking apps(not sure if thats ROM related)

You'll be very happy with Sabermod or Rasbean both close to stock. Sabermod is the only Rom built using the 4.8 chaintool and is very fast. The battery life is also excellent. I recommend those 2 for a close to stock experience with some useful tweaks both fast smooth and solid.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Thank you for your input.
Any other opinions?
and by the way, excuse my ignorance but what does it mean 4.8 chaintool? what makes it faster then the 4.7 or the older ones? and since its really new im guessing, does it mean its less stable then the other ROMS? and when you say excellent battery life, its in comparison to all those other ROMS that aim for max battery life?
Thank you!

If you really want more battery life or smoothness then IMO you should just install a new kernel; Franco's kernel has great battery life but it still has better performance than stock, Trinity kernel is super fast and smooth, and there's loads more options available.
I'm running CM10.1 and Franco kernel and its very stable, barely ever have any sort of bugs or random reboots
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I run CM10.1. Close to stock, but has a few options that are nice to have especially if you like to customize your phone. There are other Roms that have more options, but to me, what's in CM is enough. It's really up to you.
With that being said, I recently flashed a stock rooted rom and got MUCH better battery life than on CM. I don't know if it was an app I had or what, but stock definitely gave me better battery life. I have tried kernels and Rom combinations, but always come back to CM with every single phone I've had. But, in my experience on the Nexus 4, stock Rom gives me the best battery life.

For me liquidsmooth is brilliant! Extremely fast while having tons of customization options. Pair it with matr1x and it really is a great combo for speed and battery life. This is only my opinion but it works for me. I got over 22000 on antutu with this combination (no overclock) while I think its around 17000 on stock. I also get significantly better battery life compared to stock.

if you really want a bump in battery and performance, i suggest rooting and just install francos kernel.i've tried every rom on this forum and for me i ALWAYS find my way back to stock for me it just feels the most fluid and everything works like it should. like me you dont play games or anything and im no app hoarder.that said stock rom with francos kernel gives me the best of everything including color/gamma tweaks to make your screen look better with his app.
with that said i suggest to check out different kernels

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paul_viado said:
if you really want a bump in battery and performance, i suggest rooting and just install francos kernel.i've tried every rom on this forum and for me i ALWAYS find my way back to stock for me it just feels the most fluid and everything works like it should. like me you dont play games or anything and im no app hoarder.that said stock rom with francos kernel gives me the best of everything including color/gamma tweaks to make your screen look better with his app.
with that said i suggest to check out different kernels
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Now, if we install franco's kernel onto the Stock ROM, will this prevent any future Google updates from being installed?

mastewman said:
Now, if we install franco's kernel onto the Stock ROM, will this prevent any future Google updates from being installed?
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Updates in any form will show up in the forum and no need to simply rely on Google for them. They have recently released an updated kernel which I see being implemented by some rom developers and kernel developers already. Let's understand what we have here guys, a community of constant building additions/updates to our phones. So updates should be the last thing for you to worry about IMO
Also to me OP some of the questions you asked can all be answered with a simple Google Search, not that the answers given here are wrong but you would probably find more in depth and uniformed answers by looking it up.. Quite sure its on a wiki somewhere...

playya said:
Updates in any form will show up in the forum and no need to simply rely on Google for them. They have recently released an updated kernel which I see being implemented by some rom developers and kernel developers already. Let's understand what we have here guys, a community of constant building additions/updates to our phones. So updates should be the last thing for you to worry about IMO
Also to me OP some of the questions you asked can all be answered with a simple Google Search, not that the answers given here are wrong but you would probably find more in depth and uniformed answers by looking it up.. Quite sure its on a wiki somewhere...
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I believe he means Google ota's and yes it can stop you from getting ota's. Any modification to system. Whether you added or removed something will fail. You would have to be on complete stock for it to work. Just download yourself a nexus 4 toolkit. The latest factory image, latest drivers, and make sure you backup your internal storage on your computer. Use the tool to return your phone back to stock. Of course whenever you feel is tge right time to do so.

Jsparta26 said:
I believe he means Google ota's and yes it can stop you from getting ota's. Any modification to system. Whether you added or removed something will fail. You would have to be on complete stock for it to work. Just download yourself a nexus 4 toolkit. The latest factory image, latest drivers, and make sure you backup your internal storage on your computer. Use the tool to return your phone back to stock. Of course whenever you feel is tge right time to do so.
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Oh no I fully understood what he meant and my point was simply people unroot or stay stock to wait for an update. Whether you are rooted or not the update will find you in some form. Either with a rooted stock rom or a custom rom but rest assure that xda will not let an update happen and its not on everyone's phone :good:

LG G3 D850 CM12 Lollipop nightly review

This morning I decided I couldn't hold back from android 5.0 any longer and the update just couldn't come fast enough (it never can, am I right) so being the average android fanboy I looked toward CyanogenMod. I knew all they had was night lies and that was why I held off so long, but my curiosity gave in and I had to. So I headed over to cyanogen and grabbed my handy dandy .zip . I rebooted to recovery and went through the routine, and it just couldn't go fast enough, in reality it was the fastest flash I've ever done. First cm12, then my gapps. Waited for the phone to reboot blahdeeblahdeeblahhh, went through the upgrade process and BAMMM! 5.0 RIGHT IN MY FACE! First look at this nightly 5.0 and I couldn't get enough. The quadhd has definatley been put in effect and it shows. Everything I've used has been fully functional except updating su binaries (prob lack of support for 5 due to being new). The elegance and speed run perfectly along eachother, and my phone has never been faster. I may be speaking to soon, but this project must be somewhere close to a stable build. I'm currently running 1/21 nightly and i recommend it to others, I have found this ROM safe and will continue updating my phone with nightlies
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I never understood why people think that CM12 is so faster than LG's rom. For me both are blazing fast, CM12 could be even slower because it has longer animations (if we compare on 1x speed both). Speaker quality and volume is really lame on CM12 rom unlike on LG's rom. Only two things I dont like about LG's rom is crap lockscreen (CM12 has best lockscreen ever) and new Lollipop look. Kitkat looks much more elegant than Lollipop which looks childish and cartoonish. I bought G3 after having various Nexus devices with full stock google experience, and I gotta say it's nice to have some integrated useful features. CM12 is still missing many features, won't even think about switching to it right now.

Tomogitarist said:
I never understood why people think that CM12 is so faster than LG's rom. For me both are blazing fast, CM12 could be even slower because it has longer animations (if we compare on 1x speed both). Speaker quality and volume is really lame on CM12 rom unlike on LG's rom. Only two things I dont like about LG's rom is crap lockscreen (CM12 has best lockscreen ever) and new Lollipop look. Kitkat looks much more elegant than Lollipop which looks childish and cartoonish. I bought G3 after having various Nexus devices with full stock google experience, and I gotta say it's nice to have some integrated useful features. CM12 is still missing many features, won't even think about switching to it right now.
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I'm in agreement with speaker volume, I noticed after switching over that my phone wasnt as loud as it had been before. I believe a lot of people believe that the simple look of lolipop is what makes it so elegant, its more laid back. There are a lot of disadvantages with switching over to. If your a quickremote user you quickly miss not having it in cm12.

Long story short, custom ROM'S never be good as official ESPECIALLY for LG G3, you just need to understand that, for some people it's ok but for some don't. All you need is a root and MAYBE a custom kernel. PEACE.

Agreed on sound quality but CyanogenMod has many advantage's
I would argued on sound quality and maybe animations just because they are more much nice in CyanogenMod vs stock ROM. Everything else is just plain better in CyanogenMod. I am experiencing a randomly sound beep for about 1 to 3 seconds and dont know why. I am always on the lastest nightly.
Also I love the fact that I can see thr constants additions or fixes CyanogenMod is doing.

Tomogitarist said:
I never understood why people think that CM12 is so faster than LG's rom. For me both are blazing fast, CM12 could be even slower because it has longer animations (if we compare on 1x speed both). Speaker quality and volume is really lame on CM12 rom unlike on LG's rom. Only two things I dont like about LG's rom is crap lockscreen (CM12 has best lockscreen ever) and new Lollipop look. Kitkat looks much more elegant than Lollipop which looks childish and cartoonish. I bought G3 after having various Nexus devices with full stock google experience, and I gotta say it's nice to have some integrated useful features. CM12 is still missing many features, won't even think about switching to it right now.
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B.s..... aosp is way, way faster. LG stock Rom is laggy as hell
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LastSUper said:
I'm in agreement with speaker volume, I noticed after switching over that my phone wasnt as loud as it had been before. I believe a lot of people believe that the simple look of lolipop is what makes it so elegant, its more laid back. There are a lot of disadvantages with switching over to. If your a quickremote user you quickly miss not having it in cm12.
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You realize that you can use quickremote on aosp right? Check the apps section here for a flashable zip

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You realize that you can use quickremote on aosp right? Check the apps section here for a flashable zip[/QUOTE]
Wonderful news, im happy to hear that quickremote is still a possibility, I tried a apk from the stock ROM but it did not work, I'll hunt down the zip

Nightly 1/22 has slight WiFi issues, everything else remains working as far as I could tell, currently trying a more stable 5.0 ROM, illusion

LastSUper said:
Nightly 1/22 has slight WiFi issues, everything else remains working as far as I could tell, currently trying a more stable 5.0 ROM, illusion
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I had wifi and data issues too on CM12. I could barely get 3G on some places at work.

LastSUper said:
This morning I decided I couldn't hold back from android 5.0 any longer and the update just couldn't come fast enough (it never can, am I right) so being the average android fanboy I looked toward CyanogenMod. I knew all they had was night lies and that was why I held off so long, but my curiosity gave in and I had to. So I headed over to cyanogen and grabbed my handy dandy .zip . I rebooted to recovery and went through the routine, and it just couldn't go fast enough, in reality it was the fastest flash I've ever done. First cm12, then my gapps. Waited for the phone to reboot blahdeeblahdeeblahhh, went through the upgrade process and BAMMM! 5.0 RIGHT IN MY FACE! First look at this nightly 5.0 and I couldn't get enough. The quadhd has definatley been put in effect and it shows. Everything I've used has been fully functional except updating su binaries (prob lack of support for 5 due to being new). The elegance and speed run perfectly along eachother, and my phone has never been faster. I may be speaking to soon, but this project must be somewhere close to a stable build. I'm currently running 1/21 nightly and i recommend it to others, I have found this ROM safe and will continue updating my phone with nightlies
and leaving feedback, feel free to leave your expierience
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It's good to hear that CM12 is coming along. I tried it back when it was "unofficial" and my phone was overheating to the point that it actually scared me. Since then I have moved over to Cloudy G3 (which is based on stock). The Cloudy G3 Rom itself is very quick and with the Android L theme from @Kickoff it has a much nicer look that is closer to the stock android UI. I think I will stick with Cloudy G3. The main reason being that I am able to use ExFAT on my SD card and also the LG camera allows you to save to SD and all of the LG features are there if I want them.

Illusion ROM is extremely stable with a good build team, been using for two days now with NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER! Its the full lollipop experience.

I also moved as soon as CM12 become possible to use for daily use.
Room is incredible fast, every day less and less bugs. With the most of them is possible to live with.
Comparing to ****ty LG's android, i finally have feeling that i have good phone. Lag and terrible quality of official android make me to feel sorry for buying this phone (beside battery).

I reverted back to cm12. Running 1/26 right now and its flawless. DO NOT UPDATE TO 1/27! There are major speed issues and connection problems. Illusion ROM lacked features I enjoyed and there settings menu was a train wreck.
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WARNING
DO NOT UPDATE PAST NIGHTLY 26!!! after nightly 26 almost all connection services such as WiFi and mobile network will not work or work extremely poorly. I have tested all the way up to nightly 29. All the zips are in some way corrupt. They give red code while flashing but proceed anyways (I'm not a proffesional sorry guys haha). Nightly 29 wouldn't even boot without the kernel crashing. Nightly 26 is running almost flawlessly. I hope someone sees this so they can address the problem. I have still not tried nightly 30. I might try sometime later tommorow, I'll continue updating.

Nightly 30 and 31 are working and everything is starting to get polished over. Nightly 31 received a new boot animation darker than before with a nicer ending. Both run very well with no problems noticed so far other than very minor lag between some animations.

Mind that CM12 is in its early Nightlies, issues will be fixed but it will take time.

Well of course, I'm just recording bugs in each nightly so people will have a better idea whether or not they should move to the next nightly

I'm currently considering this rom. Comming from a Nexus 5 I really miss stock Lollipop. The only thing I was wondering is if it was possible to keep the LG Camera App and if the knock code still works? I don't really care about anything else from the official LG rom.
I notice there hasn't been any update recently to this thread. Are you guys still using Cyanogen? How is it comming along.
Thanks.

tenf00t said:
I'm currently considering this rom. Comming from a Nexus 5 I really miss stock Lollipop. The only thing I was wondering is if it was possible to keep the LG Camera App and if the knock code still works? I don't really care about anything else from the official LG rom.
I notice there hasn't been any update recently to this thread. Are you guys still using Cyanogen? How is it comming along.
Thanks.
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the activeness of this thread doesn't determine the stability of a ROM lol. flash CM yourself and find out. if you want your G3 to be as smooth and flawless as your Nexus 5 was on AOSP, over clock your GPU to 580MHz and it'll fix all the lag. you can do this on the stock CM kernel using Trickster Mod kernel tweaker.
also, no LG camera and no knock code. but there is Motorola camera which is really just as great, and there is double tap screen to turn it on.
Sent from my LG G3

another review can be seen here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJC9B0qa2RY

Why you should pause and read before installing Lollipop 5.1

For many is already too late, you installed 5.1 believing the hype that latest means greatest and found out that 5.1 is not better than 4.4.4, simply different. You found out some of your apps don't work, your battery life took a hit for the worse or even your hardware does not perform as well as it did on Kitkat 4.4.4. If you installed the OTA for 5.1 and you are happy, this is not directed at you; just continue to enjoy your new OS. I have taken the time to read from many different sources and viewed several videos on You Tube that test side by side Kitkat 4.4.4 vs LP 5.1 and it shows conclusively that Kitkat outperforms LP is just about every category that can be measured or seen with your own eyes. I also realize that some on kitkat may be experiencing a specific problem that they believe or hope LP will solve. This post is not designed to tell anyone what to do or not do. I advised caution, patience and research.
If you know for a fact that LP will offer you something specific that you need take the plunge but at least take the time to check what LP will mess up that you are now enjoying on Kitkat, the information is out there easily found, in closing: if you are sitting on the fence and have not yet taken the 5.1 OTA read and view videos so when you make your decision at least you will know what you will be getting and losing.

They should get replacements if they have had all those problems. I side loaded 5.1 and my battery life more than doubled, it sped up immensely and just about everything is better..
Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

I have read the 5.1 image over 4.4.4 is working well, not so good with the OTA.

smokie11 said:
I have read the 5.1 image over 4.4.4 is working well, not so good with the OTA.
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They are binary matches once installed. Differences are whether the user wipes or not.

From what I understand the 5.1 image allows mofo root to work and is reversible to 4.4.4. The 5.1 OTA for Droid Turbo offers nothing I want, but I do understand probably most people do want it...new has a hynotic appeal.

smokie11 said:
For many is already too late... I have taken the time to read from many different sources and viewed several videos on You Tube that test side by side Kitkat 4.4.4 vs LP 5.1 and it shows conclusively that Kitkat outperforms LP is just about every category that can be measured or seen with your own eyes.
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I'm sorry, I just can't read this post without chuckling a bit. It literally sounds like any tin-foil hat type post on conspiracy forums. (They generally say they know without a doubt and the evidence they've seen shows.. the moon landings were faked.. airplanes are poisoning us... the government has the ability to keep a secret... and they generally cite a youtube video they saw.)
Im not saying people aren't having issues, but to say KK is conclusively shown to be slower than LP via youtube... ugh.
I dont have to cite anything and say no. Art vs Dalvik. Thats the only argument I have to make.
As for your last post, yes, from 4.4.4 you can flash parts of 5.1 and a (rooted) image to get LP with root... that's about all I have to say on this "conclusive" topic.

itsdubai said:
They should get replacements if they have had all those problems. I side loaded 5.1 and my battery life more than doubled, it sped up immensely and just about everything is better..
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ntxct said:
I'm sorry, I just can't read this post without chuckling a bit. It literally sounds like any tin-foil hat type post on conspiracy forums. (They generally say they know without a doubt and the evidence they've seen shows.. the moon landings were faked.. airplanes are poisoning us... the government has the ability to keep a secret... and they generally cite a youtube video they saw.)
Im not saying people aren't having issues, but to say KK is conclusively shown to be slower than LP via youtube... ugh.
I dont have to cite anything and say no. Art vs Dalvik. Thats the only argument I have to make.
As for your last post, yes, from 4.4.4 you can flash parts of 5.1 and a (rooted) image to get LP with root... that's about all I have to say on this "conclusive" topic.
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Chuckling is good. Installing the 5.1 OTA without doing a little checking first coud make a person . I advocated patience and reading first that's all, Since you are familiar with Art you already know that not all programs that our members use and find important are updated to use it. I would agree with you that LP has a greater potential than KK. I am sure it has not been realized yet... and I can't stand white backgrounds

Running ComputerFreak's 5.1 image, and just about everything about it is perfect.
Debloated, rooted, ad-free, and xposed enabled. Along with exceptional performance and battery life, leagues ahead of kitkat.
What more could you ask for?

I could not disagree with the OP more if I wanted. LP is leaps and bounds better than KK - performance-wise, battery-wise, looks, and feels. Unless you have a dire need of root, LP is a way to go

Leraeniesh said:
Running ComputerFreak's 5.1 image, and just about everything about it is perfect.
Debloated, rooted, ad-free, and xposed enabled. Along with exceptional performance and battery life, leagues ahead of kitkat.
What more could you ask for?
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I'm running an even more debloated version (customized myself) of ComputerFreek's 5.1 image (1.0b).
I wouldn't say everything is perfect..
1. Nova Launcher and also APEX launcher lost the ability to show unread emails, even using the ASOP (from Cyanogenmod) Email client.
2. Xposed modules that are compatible with 5.1 are just a fewer than 4.4. One of the modules I was using was the Dynamic Alarm clock, I kinda miss it now
Otherwise 5.1 seems to be great...

neozen21 said:
I'm running an even more debloated version (customized myself) of ComputerFreek's 5.1 image (1.0b).
I wouldn't say everything is perfect..
1. Nova Launcher and also APEX launcher lost the ability to show unread emails, even using the ASOP (from Cyanogenmod) Email client.
2. Xposed modules that are compatible with 5.1 are just a fewer than 4.4. One of the modules I was using was the Dynamic Alarm clock, I kinda miss it now
Otherwise 5.1 seems to be great...
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I use Action launcher for my main, so I haven't noticed that.
Haven't had any issues with xposed modules. I'm using GravityBox, Greenify, Lucky Patcher, NoMapsTips, Pandora Patcher, SNAPFREFS, and YouTube AdAway with zero issues.

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I use Action launcher for my main, so I haven't noticed that.
Haven't had any issues with xposed modules. I'm using GravityBox, Greenify, Lucky Patcher, NoMapsTips, Pandora Patcher, SNAPFREFS, and YouTube AdAway with zero issues.
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So Action launcher will still show unread email from Exchange with the Email client (not Gmail)?

neozen21 said:
So Action launcher will still show unread email from Exchange with the Email client (not Gmail)?
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Works for default Gmail client on 5.1

Leraeniesh said:
Works for default Gmail client on 5.1
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Nova and APEX work with Gmail client too.
However, I need the default Email client, the one that works with Exchange (ActiveSync)... I have my contacts, calendar in my work's Exchange server...
Oh well, hopefully an update will come out soon...

I had the opportunity today to spend some time with one of my sons who happens to own a Droid Turbo, he asked me if I had updated to LP and I said no, he told me he did the OTA update to LP about 2 weeks ago and was very happy with it. My first question was how is your battery life? He said about the same. I asked him if there was any one feature that clearly in his opinion made it better than KK and he said no, he liked the overall effect like eye candy, he likes it because is new, different and the latest. Fair enough, that is certainly a good enough reason to change...but not for me. Next we spent about the next 10-15 minutes opening programs that we shared in common also going to different web sites phones side by side. The results were this: KK was slightly faster most of the time (1 second on average) a few times LP was faster (fractions of a second) The truth is exactly what I saw on You Tube videos: right now as of today KK is overall slightly faster than LP. I would like to emphasize my son is very happy with LP, he likes how it looks and that is fine. Reality TODAY demonstrated to me that KK is faster than LP. No big deal faster, just a little faster. So this ART vs Dalvik is an area where until developers actually rewrite their programs to take full advantage of AOT ahead of time compiling vs just in time to avoid those programs that today don't play nice with ART. The future it seems belongs to ART but in the present Dalvik is superior. Just my opinion ok guys don't get all crazy and worked up about it. Just remember you know a lot more about this than me...the only thing that matters to me is what I see when I use my phone, not lines of binary code.

Latest means better bro
Every update is for the betterment
Maybe the lp5.1 ROMs u used were not satisfactory for you but the switch to art framework , ram optimisation , other ui and the most important the stability made lp a reason of better ROM than kk
Wait for the stable lp ROM and u ll get your answer
Its a great step taken by Google
And the experience with lp is great
These misconceptions are just made for popularity maybe
I myself am using cm 12.1 and that too unofficial ported by me and the experience with this ROM is way better than that of stock rom or even other ROMs .
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manhar2108 said:
Latest means better bro
Every update is for the betterment
Maybe the lp5.1 ROMs u used were not satisfactory for you but the switch to art framework , ram optimisation , other ui and the most important the stability made lp a reason of better ROM than kk
Wait for the stable lp ROM and u ll get your answer
Its a great step taken by Google
And the experience with lp is great
These misconceptions are just made for popularity maybe
I myself am using cm 12.1 and that too unofficial ported by me and the experience with this ROM is way better than that of stock rom or even other ROMs .
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My thread and comments were aimed at Verizon Droid Turbo owners that are running stock KK compared to OTA LP, within those parameters I advocated patience, reading and research before changing to OTA LP that's all. I have operated my stock Turbo KK next to stock OTA LP and yes some things look different but it did nothing we tested better...nothing. I agree with you that the intent of new updates is to improve and make better; the results are not always better... do you remenber when Windows Vista was the newest, latest OS Microsoft had to offer???:laugh:

smokie11 said:
My thread and comments were aimed at Verizon Droid Turbo owners that are running stock KK compared to OTA LP, within those parameters I advocated patience, reading and research before changing to OTA LP that's all. I have operated my stock Turbo KK next to stock OTA LP and yes some things look different but it did nothing we tested better...nothing. I agree with you that the intent of new updates is to improve and make better; the results are not always better... do you remenber when Windows Vista was the newest, latest OS Microsoft had to offer???:laugh:
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Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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manhar2108 said:
Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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I know, is all good.

manhar2108 said:
Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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And you measured the times how? Second, fraction of a Second. All perceived I'm guessing. To many variables involved. I personally think lp is faster than kk. But again it's my opinion and based on a perceived feeling.

[Q] 4.4.4 vs 5.1.1 Stock

Guys,
I picked up a second hand Nexus 7 yesterday for a really low price. I had no intention of a purchase but sometimes the price is so low you can't say no. :angel:
The N7 is currently on 5.1.1 and has very inconsistent performance. 1 action will be slow, then the next few quick. (1 day of usage after factory reset.)
I'm looking to give this tablet to my 9 year old nice and was wondering if stock 4.4.4 has better performance? As its for a 9 year old, I'm looking to keep everything totally stock.
Thanks in Advance. :highfive:

Honestly, my N7 ran fastest with the OS that originally came on the device, 4.1JB. Assuming you don't want to go back that far, 4.4.4 would be the next best choice.
There are a couple of good 5.1.1 custom Roms that are fairly smooth, but since you only want stock, stick with 4.4.4
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enriquejones666 said:
Honestly, my N7 ran fastest with the OS that originally came on the device, 4.1JB. Assuming you don't want to go back that far, 4.4.4 would be the next best choice.
There are a couple of good 5.1.1 custom Roms that are fairly smooth, but since you only want stock, stick with 4.4.4
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Thanks for the reply :highfive:
If I was going back further than 4.4.4, I'd probably go back to 4.2.2 as it really impressed me on the nexus 4.
Take your point about 4.4.4 being the best recent os though. How would you rate 5.1.1 if we would say that 4.4.4 is 100% speed?

Install cyanogenmod 11 (4.4). Best rom for nexus 7.

Gothic4 said:
Install cyanogenmod 11 (4.4). Best rom for nexus 7.
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If I was the user I'd take you up on that Gothic. Probably too many extra options for my nice though. Thanks anyway. :highfive:

Flash this ROM and u will be amazed with performance
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...[5.1.1_r14 LMY48M][SuperSU|BusyBox][15/09/26]
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Trimmer?
So far I have no idea why or how it works, but I followed some advice I read in this forum and installed a "trimmer" application. I manually started a "trim" operation, and after that the device became noticeably more responsive. Even in case that this is just a placebo effect, I am much more satisfied with the tablet than I have been before. You might just try it, the app comes with no cost, and if the device is usable afterwards, you can pass it to your nice niece. Otherwise you can try to install a different, or even older, operating system.

adeelraj has a point. It seems your main qualm about using a custom Rom is the complexity of its added features. BSZAospLP is pretty much stock AOSP, so it should behave pretty much like the stock ROM.
And Ahkah also has a point. My brother's N7 was exhibiting similar symptoms to yours. I formatted his /data and /cache partitions, and then ran that Trimmer app (root) and that fixed his random slowdowns problem.

Ahkah said:
So far I have no idea why or how it works, but I followed some advice I read in this forum and installed a "trimmer" application. I manually started a "trim" operation, and after that the device became noticeably more responsive. Even in case that this is just a placebo effect, I am much more satisfied with the tablet than I have been before. You might just try it, the app comes with no cost, and if the device is usable afterwards, you can pass it to your nice niece. Otherwise you can try to install a different, or even older, operating system.
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Thanks Ahkah,
I haven't used the Nexus 7 much since I bought it. Theoretically, the fs trim issue shouldn't impact performance yet. I've just found the performance being really inconsistent on 5.1.1. i.e. one command fast and smooth and the next has lag.
Someone is borrowing the tablet at the moment and I will probably try 4.4.4 when I get it back.

Masteryates said:
Take your point about 4.4.4 being the best recent os though. How would you rate 5.1.1 if we would say that 4.4.4 is 100% speed?
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Well, I heard enough bad things about the stock LP ROM, that I went straight to the XenonHD 5.1.1 ROM. I can tell you that outta the box (without making any speed optimizations), it was running at 85% the speed of my previous 4.4.4 ROM (SlimKat).

I had Lollipop on mine and Lollipop+3 years worth of junk=a BIG surprise. So I rolled it back to 4.4.4 and it was very, very smooth. Then flashed one of my backup zips for Lollipop (made when no apps were installed) and it was still laggy as hell.
So conclusion: Lollipop sucks ass on this thing.

Should I upgrade to Android M?

I'm asking this question because I want input from users who did upgrade and I'm not sure if I need the upgrade or not.
I'm currently going by the logic: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I'm quite happy with how Android L with the stock Kernel works on my device and after looking at the features that Google advertises for M I discovered that I can live without most of them.
I'm mostly interested in the new battery management system, app permissions, overall performance improvements in apps and general usage and some misc things like the new copy/paste thingy.
So let's say that of all the above, I'm mostly interested in the new battery management system. How well does it in you experience work? How much more usage do you get out of your phone? Do the new Doze and App Standby features really work as well as Google advertises them?
Also how stable is Android M on the Nexus 4? This is the main thing that is keeping me from upgrading. I would rather stay on stock then get a few new features that may or may not work well or even worse, get a phone that crashes every 5 minutes.
I'm currently looking to use the Pure Nexus Project ROM (because I want the pure Google experience) and the TAURUS Kernel (heard a lot of good things about this Kernel and it works well with the ROM I've chosen by the reports of some users).
So what do think? Is it worth it to upgrade to M or should I wait for the next major Android version?
Thank you for reading.

I have been using One Of A Kind ROM (OCT 31, Build) and it has been rock solid for me. My phone's battery definitely lasts longer than stock Lollipop ROM. We are talking a couple of hours extra. The Doze feature works well, there is very little battery drain on standby. You will see that from battery stats. You will be waiting for a while until next iteration of Android. As you know Google has stopped supporting Nexus 4, it will be at least few weeks to a month before we get anything going for our beloved Nexus 4. Even then, the stability won't be guaranteed.
I think there are a few stable ROMs out there. Back up everything and give it a try. Worst case scenario, you go back to what you had.
I tried M, and I am not going back to Lollipop.

Yes, you should. Doze makes a difference for me, and the permission stuff is always useful to have. If you find yourself confortable with stock L, then you should flash "stock M", which is, in my opinion: Fake Nexus ROM.
I had same doubts one month ago, and I tried with a few ROMs out here, searching for stability, battery life, without compromising performance. I stopped on the ROM I linked you, try it!

Thank you both for your input.
I have decided to not upgrade for the time being.

It does have noticeable improvements, the system is smoother, battery life is longer (you should probably install Grennify to further improve the new Doze mode and App Standby functionalities),
and it comes with app permission control.
With regard to stablization, I have been using the PureNexusProject rom and the TAURUS kernel for nearly a month, no reboot no crash, no bizarre behaviors, everything seems fine and I really enjoy it.
I personally recommand you to try it, anyway it's the new Android!

I'm loving android M, Doze is really working to me!
So I think you should give it a try.

LORD MJ said:
Thank you both for your input.
I have decided to not upgrade for the time being.
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Why?

TheArt. said:
Why?
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For a number or reasons. It's mostly that I'm happy how things are working right now and I don't have time to upgrade. Also, I don't have enough space to fully backup my apps.