Custom ROM is failure, the cause of failure is very simple, because there is no consideration to the Se.Android, the method including the use of the packaging system is wrong, because the device can not use Odin, want more friends to know about it!
http://selinuxproject.org/page/SEAndroid
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i believe this is a security feature for android. to prevent spam and other thing like that.
security enhanced for who ?
artojeda1988 said:
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i believe this is a security feature for android. to prevent spam and other thing like that.
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Oh really, I doubt that, unless you define security for who. Like, NSA make an app for android to help us fight spam ? Think again, what app would N.S.A. make for us ? You can find and remove the app using other apps, like android tuner, android assistant, battery monitor widget, and others.
Whatever you think it is, take a look at SEAndroid's permissions. Then compare that to any super-user app you have/use. SEAndroid has ALL permissions. Still, the app doesnt 'exist' in app store, app lists, and the likes. No choice to install nor uninstall it ?
I removed it, and among several results, the sms messaging is faulty now. So much for security feature.
Even as security feature has two sides <to be seen from>. What do you think ? There's apparently tons of threads on this subject inhere under a spread of various mobiles, but like this one there aren't always much to gain. Frankly, I don't GET the OP's point in posting this thread..seems it starts off with rhetorical question, then the actual post:
'custom ROM is failure' . uhm ok - what ? ... 'there is no consideration to se.android' uhm ok..what ?? i could go on by every sentence following. 'wrong packaging' , 'device cannot use odin' etc etc The OP is just too strange for me. Sure, I don't get all the jargon maybe, not.
and the the link. Can someoone tell me the point of the OP ?
artojeda> I don't even consider it a security feature, and it doesn't prevent spam IMO. Why is it a feature, when is has no settings ? A feature has settings, right ? This SEAndroid has no settings, it is not appearing under apps, and it does not seem to be able to be installed (or uninstalled) through the app market. I hides undercover in the memory/cache and dumping it, makes it re-load again. With a rooted phone, it consistently comes up with a grey triangle notification message saying this
'Detect Information. The device has detected and application attempting unpermitted actions. To protect your device, it is recommended you reboot.'
OK some questions one by one: WHY..
00) WHY is it called security app ? is it a 'NSA Security app' for android or is it a 'security app' from NSA, what's the difference ? DOes it secure NSA or does it secure YOU?
0) WHY does this app(seandroid> not identify itself in the message, or the notification message header ? Pressing the notification does nothing.
1) WHY is this 'app' referring to the device in question as 'device' ? It KNOWS what device the device-in-use it is, and anyway, it is the-app-in-question (seandroid) that has detected anything, not 'the device'. the app-in-question is not mentioned anywhere, there is just a grey triangle, and that crap for information.
2) WHY does the app (seandroid) not mention WHICH app that has <apparently> attempted unpermitted actions ? The app-in-question KNOWS this, or at least have an idea, but it doesn't let you know. With hundreds of apps installed it could be any app, even seandroid
3) WHY does the app-in-question not tell you details on what the actual actions are/were, regarding the <apparently> 'attempting unpermitted actions' ? It KNOWS or has an idea of this, but does not let you know.
4) WHY, or why, is there no settings ? The app (seandroid) claims the <unknown> actions are 'unpermitted'. Well, if so, what permits and unpermits these actions, who decides what ?? With no setting, no knowledge, and no information of what app does what actions, and what is unpermitted about it, what is one to judge hereof ?? Just trust seandroid on, like "Something's not right, somebuddy screwed up something somewhere, and better sleep on it, and start all over" ?
5) Why does it tell you to protect your device ? 'To protect your device' is subtle, as there is hardly any idea of what is the invasive / corrupt application or whatever it is - nor whatever thread it poses to the 'device'. Anyhow the advice for a cure of the disease is just as wicked
6) WHY does it recommend a reboot for 'protection' ? a Re-start of phone, hot or not, would just repeat the cycle, bring up the notification message soon enough, advicing you to reboot again. Eventually if you open whatever app caused the triangle to pop up.
since all software and hardware are manmade, human analogies are often quite in place. the NSA app was naggin me, cos i had rooted phone. Therefore I removed it. Then OTHER apps are naggin me or slowing down much. Now, the texting doesn't work, they aren't getting sent. As intuitive android can ever get, there is this blue waving ring for waiting, like something's actually going on.. but no. it keeps like that forever. Call it broken handshaking or whatever.
If you ask me, that's just proof it's a stupid backdoor program, it has ALL permissions, and since the texting doesnt work without seandroid, it obviously have a say regarding the outgoing text messages.
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Oh really, I doubt that, unless you define security for who. Like, NSA make an app for android to help us fight spam ? Think again, what app would N.S.A. make for us ? You can find and remove the app using other apps, like android tuner, android assistant, battery monitor widget, and others.
Whatever you think it is, take a look at SEAndroid's permissions. Then compare that to any super-user app you have/use. SEAndroid has ALL permissions. Still, the app doesnt 'exist' in app store, app lists, and the likes. No choice to install nor uninstall it ?
I removed it, and among several results, the sms messaging is faulty now. So much for security feature.
Even as security feature has two sides <to be seen from>. What do you think ? There's apparently tons of threads on this subject inhere under a spread of various mobiles, but like this one there aren't always much to gain. Frankly, I don't GET the OP's point in posting this thread..seems it starts off with rhetorical question, then the actual post:
'custom ROM is failure' . uhm ok - what ? ... 'there is no consideration to se.android' uhm ok..what ?? i could go on by every sentence following. 'wrong packaging' , 'device cannot use odin' etc etc The OP is just too strange for me. Sure, I don't get all the jargon maybe, not.
and the the link. Can someoone tell me the point of the OP ?
artojeda> I don't even consider it a security feature, and it doesn't prevent spam IMO. Why is it a feature, when is has no settings ? A feature has settings, right ? This SEAndroid has no settings, it is not appearing under apps, and it does not seem to be able to be installed (or uninstalled) through the app market. I hides undercover in the memory/cache and dumping it, makes it re-load again. With a rooted phone, it consistently comes up with a grey triangle notification message saying this
'Detect Information. The device has detected and application attempting unpermitted actions. To protect your device, it is recommended you reboot.'
OK some questions one by one: WHY..
00) WHY is it called security app ? is it a 'NSA Security app' for android or is it a 'security app' from NSA, what's the difference ? DOes it secure NSA or does it secure YOU?
0) WHY does this app(seandroid> not identify itself in the message, or the notification message header ? Pressing the notification does nothing.
1) WHY is this 'app' referring to the device in question as 'device' ? It KNOWS what device the device-in-use it is, and anyway, it is the-app-in-question (seandroid) that has detected anything, not 'the device'. the app-in-question is not mentioned anywhere, there is just a grey triangle, and that crap for information.
2) WHY does the app (seandroid) not mention WHICH app that has <apparently> attempted unpermitted actions ? The app-in-question KNOWS this, or at least have an idea, but it doesn't let you know. With hundreds of apps installed it could be any app, even seandroid
3) WHY does the app-in-question not tell you details on what the actual actions are/were, regarding the <apparently> 'attempting unpermitted actions' ? It KNOWS or has an idea of this, but does not let you know.
4) WHY, or why, is there no settings ? The app (seandroid) claims the <unknown> actions are 'unpermitted'. Well, if so, what permits and unpermits these actions, who decides what ?? With no setting, no knowledge, and no information of what app does what actions, and what is unpermitted about it, what is one to judge hereof ?? Just trust seandroid on, like "Something's not right, somebuddy screwed up something somewhere, and better sleep on it, and start all over" ?
5) Why does it tell you to protect your device ? 'To protect your device' is subtle, as there is hardly any idea of what is the invasive / corrupt application or whatever it is - nor whatever thread it poses to the 'device'. Anyhow the advice for a cure of the disease is just as wicked
6) WHY does it recommend a reboot for 'protection' ? a Re-start of phone, hot or not, would just repeat the cycle, bring up the notification message soon enough, advicing you to reboot again. Eventually if you open whatever app caused the triangle to pop up.
since all software and hardware are manmade, human analogies are often quite in place. the NSA app was naggin me, cos i had rooted phone. Therefore I removed it. Then OTHER apps are naggin me or slowing down much. Now, the texting doesn't work, they aren't getting sent. As intuitive android can ever get, there is this blue waving ring for waiting, like something's actually going on.. but no. it keeps like that forever. Call it broken handshaking or whatever.
If you ask me, that's just proof it's a stupid backdoor program, it has ALL permissions, and since the texting doesnt work without seandroid, it obviously have a say regarding the outgoing text messages.
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This thread has apparently been seriously cleaned up and I guess much of the discussion here is lost, but I wanted to point out a few things. My apologies if this is completely unrelated to whatever was being discussed here.
SEAndroid is not an app. Its a port of most of the SELinux (also developed mainly by NSA) mechanisms to Android. Keep in mind that SELinux comes by default with Fedora and quite a few other distros and is a very popular security enhancement to Linux based systems. If you are referring to the SEAdmin app that is bundled with SEAndroid (both of which are 100% open source), the app is simply gives you control over which SELinux components and mechanisms along with the MAC enforcement, you want to enforce.
SEAndroid is completely open source, and no one has been able to find any kind of suspicious looking code in there. Of course the modifications and additions that SEAndroid brings with it runs deep. Same with SELinux. This is obviously necessary to provide mandatory access control (MAC) to an operating system which is DAC based.
Hello Good People of XDA
I have been a i9506 owner for quite long, had a 9100 before,
I am used to root and mess with apps to customize things to my wim,
at the best of my knowledge (I lack android programming skills, but I can do things with terminal and filesystems).
All that before to say I am not totally a noob, but my lack of technical knowledge might bite me there.
System wise, I am under 4.2.2, rooted, unknow sources are not allowed, system check for apps is allowed,
I have an antivirus (more than one, but only one works each day, just to be sure I don't miss things)...
My problem is that I recently found out that some apps, actually system apps, blocked
with Titanium backup, or with gemini app manager, or app quarantine,
were actually running anyway.
They are marked as blocked in my app manager, but can still be force closed,
and they appear in battery displays (most of these under the android system block, in the list of services/apps used),
and in process running when using Ccleaner apps.
Also, my battery display show GPS is activated, while when I go into options, all boxes are off or unticked.
I thus wonder what's happening?
How is it possible to have these schrödinger apps tamed and blocked like I want them.
I want these to shut down and only work when I DO ALLOW these, for them not to suck my battery or do unauthorized chores like tracking me when I don't want.
How is it possible that they even behave like that? In i9100, I never observed that in Android 4.0.
I wonder if Google didn't change the workings for making us unable to disactivate what we don't want to work, which was pissing them off.
They already change the permissions displays in the market so permissions as intrusive as "contacts/sms message/USB stockage" are considered "not relevant/important",
while they are depending on the announced display of the app.
But I don't want to go on the "conspiracy route" (I am not like that, I am a pragmatist and I just observe facts, like these apps, with sensitive access, not being able to be deactivated), so let's focus on the technical part:
such apps were Maps, Samsung sync adapters, NFC service , Google Agenda/Contact synchronisation, sysscope, context provider, etc.
That's a lots of things that are supposed to communicate to cloud or other devices, with feels lot like a gaping flaw in the armor...
I want a phone and a tool, not something that track me or put me at risk of being stolen by somebody with technical knowledge.
Am I alone?
Thanks for any insights.
Blocked apps still working
I don't know if my title was too unclear, so I would like to change the title but am unable to do so?
Is it please possible for a moderator to do it (with the title of this post)?
Thanks by advance.
I feel like it is a true problem not being able to block some apps,
or even more, to believe they are blocked while they perfectly perform in the background,
and display activity only in secondary reports, not under their respective "buttons"/information tabs.
I wonder abourt the technical reason to such behavior.
Then delete those apps or block some of the permissions with an app (eg Privacyguard).
It's my opinion that an antivirus app (at the moment) is a waste of resources. Just think before you install something. Also if you are worried about security, you should always run the latest version of Android. 4.2.2 is an old version.
Lennyz1988 said:
Then delete those apps or block some of the permissions with an app (eg Privacyguard).
It's my opinion that an antivirus app (at the moment) is a waste of resources. Just think before you install something. Also if you are worried about security, you should always run the latest version of Android. 4.2.2 is an old version.
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Thanks for your answer.
Well I don't want to delete system app when they might be useful at time.
I just want them to behave correctly, that is, not work when they are blocked.
That is not a solution to say "uninstall this", while the true problem is Android general behavior here.
I didn't installed system apps, they came with the thing, and all of them are not bloatware.
"NFC service" is something I want to keep for when I am ready to use it,
but I don't want to let it free and unleashed because of the opening it leaves on my phone.
Same goes for bluetooth, synced backups and so on.
I don't want backups on the cloud, so I deactivated the options, and blocked the apps.
Why are they running? It is not normal!
And my old version is maybe not secure, but actually trying 4.3 hasn't changed anything,
and I only suspect this to be some "new feature".
The antivirus is a waste for scans, I agree, still it has useful firewall features that justifies in itself its uses.
Noticed on my samsung device that is slowing down that this is running/trying to keep open network communications.
Sounds like one of those things I dont use. How to stop it?
Is it a system app or thrid party app.
you do not give enough information so we can tell you how to remove or disable it.
there is no more info, it isnt an "app" i can find persay, but a process running with a suspicious name, and its probably system as many other threads seem to think it is.
you can stop it but you may have to root your phone. As you know rooting will void the warranty.
you will need access to the system files to disable.
I do not know if you can access it without rooting.
cant root samsung devices that are locked down or i wouldn't be wasting my time on here.
so what is this garbage and how did it get turned on in the first place?
might be the face recognition for the camera take?
I know this thread is a few months old, but did you ever find more info on FaceProvider? From what I've read, it's definitely a system thing (not sure if it's a legit app) and it isn't anything suspicious. I guess it's something exclusive to Samsung devices, because Sammy owners seem to be the only ones that talk about it. I read in another thread that it may control certain stock gallery functions, and disabling it may make your gallery app act funny. You should be good if you use a 3rd party gallery app, though. The reason I'm interested in FaceProvider is it supposedly allows certain apps to block screenshots. Apparently if you disable or enable FaceProvider (the thread wasn't clear which) you can bypass screenshot blocks. However, I'm running a custom rom on my rooted Note 5, and I don't see that I have FaceProvider anywhere on my device. So I'm trying to find a way to download and install it. Just thought I'd share what I know about it with you, and ask if you've learned anything about it.
What we need to do is disable it FULLY, not just the button that executes Bixby. It's still running "under the hood"…
From Samsung's own web page:
"Bixby Talks: Bixby knows your phone’s apps and how to use them."
"Bixby sees: Bixby lives inside your Camera, Gallery and Internet to give you a deeper understanding of what you’re looking at"
"Bixby learns your routine, so you’ll always have the right content ready when you need it. From your recent messages and upcoming events, to your next Uber ride and daily news—Bixby pulls the most important information from different apps"
I will look into it, most of it should be app related, but I've been out of the android game for a couple years now.. possibly some stuff tied into the framework. Shouldn't be impossible. ?
Edit: As far as Camera goes, I'm not sure.. I'd assume disabling bixbys apks would remove its features from the camera, but don't take my word for it right now.
Thank you, master ?
I also completely forgot the boatloader is locked on T-Mobile, can you tell I've been out of the scene too long? Lol serious question, don't mean to take this thread off course too far, but can you root now with a locked boot loader, or is that not possible? If it's not possible and we can't root it to install custom firmware, we may be SOL if disabling apks causes the camera to crash or something dumb like that...
Maybe be able to use the Package Disabler app to disable it. Use it on my S6.