I really just need to vent about this...
I initially emailed on 05/09/2015, I've made it nowhere in the RMA process other than verbally assaulting their tech support (I only sort of feel bad). I've been moved around to five different people. The first three told me the exact same thing. The fourth did what the third said they would, and the fifth is what the fourth said they would be.
05/09/2015 Melissa wanted a video of the problem.
05/15/2015 I told her that's not something I should have to do for a well documented defect.
05/17/2015 Chris wanted a video of the problem.
05/17/2015 I told Chris I didn't have another device to record video with and again said I thought it was ridiculous I had to do this.
05/17/2015 Chris requested a screencast video of the device showing its ghost touches.
05/17/2015 I told Chris that it was a cool day so that the device was not acting abnormally at the moment and asked if I should warm it up in the oven.
05/17/2015 Chris thanked me for the reply and said we would pick up once the problem showed again. 05/17/2015
05/17/2015 I sent Chris a link to "lmgtfy" with the search query "one plus one touch screen issues". 86.8M results. I then told him if we waited for my device to show the defect again, that I could be in a life or death scenario and being unable to unlock my device is just... I'm dead. Worst case, but seriously you guys. It could happen. 05/17/2015
05/17/2015 Chris again thanked me for the reply and said he would be escalating it to the proper department for assistance. 05/17/2015
05/19/2015 Elmer wanted a video of the problem, and pictures of the device.
05/19/2015 I told Elmer I didn't have another device to take video or pictures with, and then suggested he do an Advance RMA so that I could take pictures with a properly function OPO.
05/19/2015 I was with a friend that day and I low and behold, the scenario where I couldn't unlock my phone showed up! So I sent it to them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4MvQwyeqEj2M1dQSWNMaFdNOGs/view?usp=sharing
05/20/2015 The next day I send another screencast video of my phone.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4MvQwyeqEj2X3BlVW5tYURHZzA/view?usp=sharing
05/21/2015 I send them an email saying I like how quickly the replies were when I was fighting them on the videos, but then don't reply when I do. I also told them they had lost me permanently as a customer. "it's good to end bad relationships early."
05/22/2015 Chrystle sends me links to two different zip files. One called, ONEPLUS+ONE-FIX-Windows.zip, and the other OPO-Display-patch.zip. She informs me that they are Windows or Mac only.
05/22/2015 I send two different messages, one saying that I do not run Windows or Apple operating systems on my computer, requesting that I get something that will be flashed in recovery, or something that could work with Linux. Fast forward through my work shift. I get home and download the files anyway and extract them. there is a .bat file in there with a bunch of commands flashing partition files using fastboot. open up a terminal and I start copying and pasting the lines so I don't make any mistakes. Get to the one about flashing the userdata partition, and the script as a typo. the file has a capital G and the script is showing a lower case g. Those are 500MB "patches" just FYI. One did nothing, and the other made it worse. They were both CM11S. http://i.imgur.com/bEq9Boy.png http://i.imgur.com/InuCpLo.png respectively.
05/23/2015 I send several messages. It's early AM but I send an email asking if it's amateur hour because of the typo in the first rom. Then another message saying that the typo was also in the other patch zip. Yeah, that's right. both zips had the same typo'd batch script. It's funny they treat us like we know nothing. I finish the email with "Idiots."
05/24/2015 Cherie asks if my device was ever dropped, bumped(???), or exposed to liquids. Also goes on to explain that the CPU and Camera are close together and that the camera material transmits heat quickly so the device can feel warm there. Then suggests I close apps running in the background. Also then recommends that I recondition the battery by fully charging and discharging it three times. And also says not to use the phone while it's charging because it needs to rest. She then wanted me to install a multitouch testing app to screencast, and also requests pictures.
05/24/2015 I say I've never dropped the device, and am unsure what they mean by bumped. And say the device hasn't been anywhere near water in my possession. (near enough to cause an issue anyway). I'm just going to quote myself here, "What causes overheating of the display? And my typing is not the problem. HTC MyTouch 4G, Samsung Galaxy S3, LG Nexus 4. Those three devices could keep up with me. Ah, those were the days. Such fond memories of accurate touch screens.S o the CPU is close to the other components in the phone? That's amazing! How do you do it in such a small package? Crazyness. Though, my Nexus 4 is even smaller, must be magic to be able to fit the cpu and camera in there together. Material of the camera transmits heat... Well, most things are conducive of heat. I close background apps frequently enough. I keep the screen brightness close to 50%. The phone needs a rest while charging? Why is that? Did it get fatigued? Is it tired? Did it have a long day? I've never had an electronic device that "needs to rest". Sounds like YOU NEEDed to improve the cooling capabilities of the device. My battery usage is also not abnormal, nor under heavy load does the battery get hot. I get 7 hours of screen on time. That's absolutely amazing! Now if only I could use it for those 7 hours I'm able to turn the display on. Common problem with Li-Po batteries that are old. Are you saying I have an old battery in my device that needs to be reconditioned? I better not since I've only just bought the phone a month ago. Pull the notification drop down menu down, press the back button, and restart the device... What? How's that any different than just rebooting it? The last step of this RMA process pretty much sealed the deal that yall are idiots, and this is just kind of the icing."
05/25/2015 Cherie requests pictures of my device. And says if I do she promises my device will be like new once she forwards me to their Level 2 support.
05/25/2015 I send them the pictures they requested.
05/26/2015 I send them a screencast AGAIN saying, "Can we stop playing games?"
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4MvQwyeqEj2dGNidWNxRlkzVFE&authuser=0
05/26/2015 Llores sends me an email about setting up a remote session with Level 2 support. Requests that I download a few files and to set up an appointment. For Windows there were five zips linked. One for OxygenOS(I'm presuming) "oxygen-dlt.rar" 784MB. One for CyanogenMod(again, presuming) "DLT-CM.rar" 512MB. a Certificates rar that I did not download, as these are probably Windows driver things. The Android SDK which I did not need. CM11S from cyngn website 510MB. And an archive titled AFX. Which has two files in it, a persist.img and a reserv4.img... a measly 10KB.
05/26/2015 "Are you new? Or did you just not read anything? The operating system on my computer is Debian Linux. No one needs to remote access my computer because I've already proven I'm smarter than you. I do not trust any of you to access my personal computer. It is unnecessary. If you're level two tech support maybe you can fix the amateur hour typo in the previous fixes automated scripts that didn't do jack didn't squat for my device. My device has an intermittent hardware issue that needs to be resolved with a different device that has been factory reconditioned or refurbished. No amount of software is going to fix a hardware issue. Waaaaiiiittttt, you guys are that dumb huh? Holy ****. LOLOLOL." and shortly after, "I hope you can understand, that I do not want anyone accessing my computer, and running commands. A miskey from an idiot at OnePlus (witnessed from a script typo and the inability to read a conversation history) could erase all of my personal files. I would be highly aggravated, and you've only seen me mildly irritated."
And there we are so far. This kind of service is absolutely unacceptable. It doesn't matter how much the phone was. Someone on the OPO forums said they paid for the phone, not tech support and warranties.
Also, the DLT files are password protected, which I'm sure the L2 support lackey knows the passwords, I'm trying to break in to it using rarcrack, but.... bruteforcing something is relatively slow.
05/27/2015 Cherie emails me again and from the sounds of it, she had no recollection of our previous conversation. She says that Level 2 tech support needs to remotely access my computer.
05/27/2015 I tell Cherie that I've already mentioned I will not be allowing anyone from their company to remotely access my computer. Request one of their computers be sent to me for them to remotely access and flash my phone. Then go on to say that they probably won't do that because you don't trust me with your data as much as I don't trust them with mine. Tell them I will be going through with a paypal dispute.
05/27/2015 Cinderella says, "Thank you so much for the response. We understand your point of view on the said issue,I understand how frustrating it is of not being able to use your Oneplus phone and have to go through with this process. Many felt the same reaction too. In the long run, numerous Oneplus owners found out that patch fix resolved their touchscreen issues as it may install those missing "TPK firmware" on the phone."
05/27/2015 I say I don't understand why someone needs to remotely access my computer when I've already proven that I'm more than capable. And that if she gives me the password I'll be out of their hair, forever and ever.
05/27/2015 Cinderella says she understands that a remote access can be challenging but my ticket is being handled in a timely manner by tech support and that remote sessions are recorded for security purposes.
05/27/2015 I tell Cinderella that they've done nothing to gain the trust for me to open up my computer to them. Say if they give me the passwords to the .rar's I would set up a remote session.
05/28/2015 Ethan emails me informing me that it is the tech that will be unzipping the files during the remote session, and to let him know when I've booked an appointment.
05/28/2015 I get on the site to book a remote session. The next available time is 06/06/2015 @ 6:30pm. No idea if that's local time or not, But either way, who is at work at 6:30pm OR 9:30PM? I send Ethan an email telling him the company is a joke, and that I'm getting my money back. I tick the "this issue is resolved" and hit the reply button.
I am really sad though, I love the phone and I wish it would work properly.
they are only thiefs, no other adjective describe them.
They put a fail cheap ****ty display on this device, and after a random time (depend from many enviroments, temperature, isolating, what you eat... ) it appears the non responsive/ghost touch issue.
They don't want repair or change, and if you have only a micro dent on the frame... goodbye
the incredible, it's that they have prepared some zips with naming "fix touch" etc... they are ridiculous... This phone have a target of 90% middle/high geek, so, they don't want this bull**** no resolutive sw, but they want try and flash whatever they want, when they want, and they want that almost the device have a display working !!!
They stop say try what rom you prefer, your warranty will remain..... YES, RIGHT, because we haven't any WARRANTY on display !!!
This is exactly why I buy used, broken devices for dirt cheap and repair them myself. I got my 64gb 1+ off eBay for $115 after repairing it's screen.
Screw warranties, support, etc.
silverton said:
I really just need to vent about this...
I initially emailed on 05/09/2015, .....
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I have similar experience and I too reach the point that tell them "NO way I gave you remote control"
They sad again, that second level technical will decide if my phone is for RMA.
I think with my refuses to gave them access they will close my case. I think it is not legal but.....
I just want to send phone and they fix or gave new one and I sale fast.
What we must do?
I bought phone in October, so obviously I can't claim refund from PayPal
It's been... 6 or 7 weeks now since I first submitted ticket. Somehow I managed to skip the remote session, went from asking me to book session, to setting up the phone getting picked up.
But...
A week after they said they received it, they come back saying water damage, apparently the the LDI in headphone jack was tripped and want me to pay for repair. I basically argued back, told them it had never been anywhere near and liquids.
Lo and behold, they come back saying they've made a mistake. On re checking, there is no water damage, and so now will replace my phone. Imagine I'd caved and paid for repair, or just had them send it back...
... Finding it hard to believe they made a genuine mistake...
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It's been... 6 or 7 weeks now since I first submitted ticket. Somehow I managed to skip the remote session, went from asking me to book session, to setting up the phone getting picked up.
But...
A week after they said they received it, they come back saying water damage, apparently the the LDI in headphone jack was tripped and want me to pay for repair. I basically argued back, told them it had never been anywhere near and liquids.
Lo and behold, they come back saying they've made a mistake. On re checking, there is no water damage, and so now will replace my phone. Imagine I'd caved and paid for repair, or just had them send it back...
... Finding it hard to believe they made a genuine mistake...
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You're not the only one I've read about having them try to claim that the liquid sticker was tripped, and then back track when they're called out on it.
Sounds much alike the issues I have with OnePlus support right now. My 2 has what I strongly suspect hardware issues. I can say that I'm pretty sure, that is after worked for a Swedish/Japanese mobile manufacturer for almost 16 years. So I know a bit about mobile phones . I think in the end the wankers will not give me another phone. Their tactics is to f**ck you around until you give up. It's a shame actually, I love their products but the company is rotten to the core how they conduct themselves. I think I'll write an email to Carl Pei in Swedish and tell him my two cents about this matter. I don't except it to do any good but perhaps I'll catch him of guard. If anybody is interested I'll let you know how that wen't down.
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Ok, so the vibrate feature no longer works on my device. Whether it be the vibrate profile (phone stays silent but no vibrate), Haptic feedback is no longer working in keyboard and neither is the haptic feedback in HTC Sense and inc bootup.
I sent detailed info on my fault, phone was sent last friday. Vodafone sent me a txt saying they had received my device on Monday morning and then sent me another txt at 19:50 saying that the device is on it's way back to me fixed and would be with me tomorrow by Royal Mail and make sure someone would be in.
I then took the day off unpaid and the device never arrived until this morning. I was so excited to get it back but already annoyed due to losing pay yesterday. Opened box and there was my baby. I popped in my battery and no vibrate during boot?? No haptic feedback in keyboard (checked settings)??? Then tried vibrate profile and rang my phone, surprise "No Worky" phone silent and no vibrate. ??? Checked accompanying documents. One is a check list from engineer. As Follows:
"Reported fault Resolved Tick (No it's not)
Data Content Cleared Tick
Latest Version Software Same as sent
Established Live Call Tick
Incoming Audio (speaker) Test Tick
Display Test Tick
Keypad Test Tick
Imei: *********************
Date Test Completed 25/01/10"
Then letter says:
"hank you for sending your phone to us for repair, we are pleased to say that the fault has been fixed.
What we've done
One of our engineers has throughly tested your phone. The fault on your device has been corrected by upgrading the software to the latest manufacturer approved version. If you mentioned any other faults when you booked the repair, these will have also been fixed.
As part of the repair process, we have given your phone a full internal service including upgrading the software inside the phone, as this is how many faults are fixed. The software is responsible for many aspects of how the phone actually works and though you may not expect it, upgrading the software can increase battery life and memory capacity, and provide you with a more up to date phone.
If you need us again
You can pop into the shop or call customer services, blah blah blah."
Well what BULL. The software is the same as previous (before sending) Phone has not been fixed. I lost a days pays (although my choice I surpose for doing as they asked) And I'm now worse off.
I popped into vodafone store and they said they could do nothing as they dont sell that phone instore and were not even aware of the model. See said call 191 from phone. And all they would do is send it off again. I'm reluctant to do this as I'd be without a phone for further number of days. working virtually non-stop over next couple of weeks so being in to recieve the phone may be a prob. I just feel like taking they phone and both signed documents to a solicitor.. They clearly state it's been repaired but it's not. Exactly the same as was sent. Well as soon as contract is up with vodafone I'm going back with O2. First time with Vodafone and also my last!!
Sorry for the rant. Any Idea's? What would you do? Should I send it off for repair again or demand a replacement or just shut up and take it like a *****???? Thanks for listening... Anyone a Solicitor?? lol
Just for reference, the shops, the internet shop, and the phone shop are 3 different branches of the same company. They do not share deals, devices, staff, or even knowledge. This is quite common, and normal for most (if not all) of the major providers.
Anyway, I'd ring back and just explain to them what you've explained to us. Try and stay calm with them but be very persistent. Don't end the call till they've acknowledged what the fault is by telling you what they've recorded on your notes, and they've agreed to once again collect the phone.
If you do need a phone while it's away (do you? You already received text messages from them last time it was away), they may be able to arrange one of the shops to do you a loaner for a while, but it will be a piece of crap that will make you blush when you have to pull it out in public.
My best advice would be to not get angry on the phone with them. It's done, and the person at the other end of the phone isn't responsible for the problem. Too many people start these conversations aggresively, and that won't get you any further. If I was CS staff and someone rang up and started ranting at me immediately, I'd be disinclined to be as helpful as I could.
I know it's crap, but it is what it is, and the phone simply needs fixing or replacing.
Good luck, and let us know how you get on.
Thanks for your quick reply. The only reason I popped in store was because the letter said I could and I was going into town anyway so took my chance. I was very pleasant on the phone (couldn't have been anything else as I have a really sore throat and a blocked nose, lol) In fact i'd say that the Welsh guy from customer services is about the only thing Vodafone currently have going for them. He was great and very polite. Just waiting on his supervisor calling me for a chat but said it could take up to 48hrs.
Will keep you informed, Just cant believe they say that the problem is fixed. Well gonna keep smiling and looks like i'll have to use my mates pink flip up phone again for a while. uughhh, I'm not gonna hear the end of that I can tell you.
Having some random and annoying screen fluctuations. Its like the screen depolarizes and the images become distorted and somewhat inverted. Happens off and on and reboots do not help. Im gonna go back to stock just incase it needs to be sent in and to see if the ROM I am using is completely to blame, I have tried reflashing too.
Just thought I put this out there to see if anyone else is having similar issues.
I may have had something similar the other day - basically the color blue would go away, and the remaining R&G pixels would smear. Best way to describe it would be to pretend that there is a specific frame buffer for blue, and it has a pointer, and that pointer was getting whacked. Meanwhile the pointers for the red and green buffers were having less-significant bits screwed with. Yeah, like I said, "pretend". My initial gut said it was a simple case of some bad silicon on a line driver. Done.
While getting ready to exchange the Tab (aka removing stuff), I discovered the behavior was strongly impacted by memory pressure. If you've played with ESXi, you know what I'm referring to. If not, go read about Ballooning.
With lots of crap floating around, screen gets more wonky more often to the point of being unusable. Including during the boot splash screen. Remove the junk (not programs - just... stuff, music, browser cache, whatever)... less wonky, less often. Still wonky, mind you, but less wonky, and less often.
Decided the culprit was likely Task Manager by Rhythm Software. Removed exactly it, cold started, and never had an issue since. Note that I'm not really keen on saying Rhythm's work was at fault, especially since saying "it's fixed!" is trying to prove a negative and this is not a reported problem. OTOH, the behavior did start within a few days of installing it, and the behavior's ending exactly coincides with RTM's removal.
In that sense, take a close look at what you're installing - something otherwise fine might be suffering an... unexpected feature.
HTH,
- sbb
Thanks for the tip, mines still looking like hardware failure. Sometimes when i put it into the samsung keyboard dock it randomly clears up, as if the jiggle in the pin connector port affects it but it will reappear eventually.
Been trying to use the return to stock stuff from the main sticky in the development section but it keeps erroring and failing in CWM when I attempt to flash. Oh well.
Thanks for the reply yo!
I think its because the stock rom they have is p700 and I am p7510 or whatever. Am I in the wrong place? lol Time to scavenge the forums.
Unroot for Return
So, I made my backup copy of my ROM after it was rooted. How do I get this thing rooted again so I can take her in? I tried using the info on the stickie in the Dev section but I get an error when flashing the supplied stock ROM, repeated, no mistakes I am pretty sure.
Any tips?
also, hasnt been 30days, should I just go back to best buy or call samsung?
I have the exact same issue with my tablet and going to return it for warranty. I had to unroot and get it back to default blind, since the screen is almost never readable here (too much distortions).
I got it back to factory default (unrooted) through ODIN + Download Mode. Use the files and step-by-step guide on this webpage: http://droidangel.blogspot.com/2011/06/samsung-galaxy-tab-101v-p7100-stock-rom.html
I got the same problem. the screen just distorted, which happens on several custom ROM. It happens after heavy use. I have to put it aside for a couple of hours to get it back to normal.
Is that hardware issue? If it is, how could you convince the shop to get it replaced?
you may not be able to reproduce it at the shop.
I lost my interest to samsung product. It took quite some time to create an account and file a case. Now the webpage just keeps telling that it is processing the data.
I remember that I have never succeed to create an account through the TAB.
very bad service.
Well, mine's finally going in for repair.
As mentioned in the post above... after removing a few apps and most of the data from the tab... not a single issue with the screen, since.
Then... the behavior came back last week, gradually becoming worse until the colors are just plain hosed. Blew out the browser caches, wiped any remaining data... pulse, etc... and it cleared back up again... for about an hour, but rapidly reverted back to horrid. Did a hard reset... no avail.
It is quite the interesting behavior, to say the very least.
It's not mechanical. It's not thermal.
Is samsung service center the only solution for this?
Does yours look like this?
www youtube com/watch?v=WauTDdzxGq0
(Sorry, you;ll need to fill in the obvious missing doys. It was either that or posting 8 random posts)
My Tab also has similar issue and it still appears after hard reset, trying to convince the shop to exchange or help me to send back to Samsung.
Did Samsung cost you any charge for repairing? The shop say it need charges and they don't want give any help.
not really. Mine has distorted display but more likes adding white noise.
Seems that sumsung really sucks. products have so many different issues.
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Does yours look like this?
www youtube com/watch?v=WauTDdzxGq0
(Sorry, you;ll need to fill in the obvious missing doys. It was either that or posting 8 random posts)
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simgamer50 said:
My Tab also has similar issue and it still appears after hard reset, trying to convince the shop to exchange or help me to send back to Samsung.
Did Samsung cost you any charge for repairing? The shop say it need charges and they don't want give any help.
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I was covered by seller warranty. I sent it back, and the seller sent me a new device. I don't know where you're at, but usually sellers are required to handle this for you, if under warranty, _by law_. This is obviously a manufacturing fault, not bad usage.
Hello to all good guys in xda-developers forum.
This is my very first post and I really feel desperate and need your kind help.
New Acer iconia with stock firmware 3.2.1 was nicely running this morning until I tried to root the device.It was supposed to be very simple process and not to get into dirty complicated procedures but the gingerbreak.apk did not work as expected so I tried alternative methods.What I read in various forums was that the gingerbreak application is not able to root the new firmwares version so I tried to downgrade the firmware to 3.0.1.
Downloaded the Acer stock recovery firmware EUUs_SBK_Acer_A501_0.017.01_PA_ATT.exe and attempted to flash onto my tablet .I think I did all necessary pre-installation checks.The process started but it stopped on 10 percent for about 30 minutes without any progress.Only Acer logo was displayed and 'entering file downloading mode' at the top of the screen.
After long time no change I finally gave up and unplugged the device from the USB port and restarted but nothing works since then.
1. No vibration on Start
2. Black screen
3. No new USB device appear on my PC
4. No sign of any activity other then power button light
I guess the original firmware was wiped but the new firmware was not flashed...for whatever reason...perhaps the worst scenario.
I will really appreciate If anybody may give me advice how to fix it.
So it turns on but does not display anything? Have you tried to hold the power button and volume down button at the same to when you turn it on to try to get it into recovery. Also there is a little reset button on the side you can try to push.
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tried all those thinks.All kind of tricks I could find on the net.The problem is that the device is not showing up in the device manager e.g not detected as USB device of an y kind....
acera500 said:
tried all those thinks.All kind of tricks I could find on the net.The problem is that the device is not showing up in the device manager e.g not detected as USB device of an y kind....
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Try this thread. Look about halfway down, and you'll see almost the exact thing you did, and how this guy got it going.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1291747
Basically you can run a search for APX in the main forum threads and find some other posts, but hopefully this will get you going.
I pulled this from the general forum (eventually), but you can also search the Q&A main forum page as well, and the dev forum.
Another link;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255519&highlight=apx&page=2
If its new just return it to the store for another one.
Sent from my A500 using xda premium
Acer or the store did not brick it
i THINK If you mess with the rom on your tablet and... BRICK your device .. you should tough it out and fix yourself... Acer or the store is not responsible for this .But then you could also argue that if they had not locked the bootloader this type of bricking would not happen..
So i say go above and beyond to try to fix it from the help on here.. if that fails.. THEN Maybe exchange it.. Its wrong to brake something then expect someone else to foot the bill. Yes im to honest for my own good at times... Acer has also been known to repair .
If you bought a extra warranty all of the above in my book is out the window.. Make them replace it ..
GIGGLES..
Good luck on getting it repaired ..and be more careful next time..
Piece of cake to fix if you kept you USB serial number (from the downgrade tool)???
===== If you have your USB serial number ====================
1. Lets assume you know your USB serial number. If not, then you might be able to get it from your registry.
2. Download my flashing tool at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137
a. Open up the readme.pdf for the instructions on how to flash
3. KEEP your acer unplugged and run the program
4. The program will install the APX flash drivers and will tell you to plug in the USB. Ignore this step. It will not work. In the instructions skip steps 3, 8, 9, 10.
5. Eventually the flashing tool will timeout because you do NOT have the tablet connected. It will then display a message box telling you how to use a paperclip and the power button to get you into APX mode. THIS IS THE secret to getting the tool to flash your ACER. However, once you get it into APX mode you will need your USB serial number (without it, you are fubar).
a. Plug in the tablet to your computer with the USB and paperclip yourself to fastboot.
6. Now in step 11, enter your USB serial number
7. Now just follow the rest of the instructions.
====== NO USB Serial number ==========
If you do not have your USB serial number than you are going to be out of luck, unless you have ever connected the device to your computer. If you did, then your registry will have a history containing your serial number.
Google usbdeview tool and download it. This will show the serial number of any USB device you've connected to your computer.
===== No Serial number, never connected it, what to do ==========
If you have no serial number and cannot get it, then hopefully you can get to recovery mode (power & volume) and flash using a signed update.zip from ACER. Download one of the update.zip's and put it on your external SDCard and then boot to recovery.
=== Bricked and No serial number, never connected, and you fubar'ed the recovery image ===
If you never connected your table to the USB and your computer to get the USB serial number then you are NOT going to be able to flash it to fix it.
If you fubar'ed the recovery image then you won't be able to get into recovery to run the ACER update zip.
At this point, you can still get your tablet into APX fastboot mode using a paperclip and the power button. But I know of NO way to flash it without the USB serial number and I know noway to get the USB serial number from the APX driver. I've tried and looked at getting the serial number from just APX mode, but I cannot determine how to get it. Someone out there might know.
Hope this helps,
TD
Your CPUID can also be found in the uid.txt file in your cwm backup folder - /mnt/external_sd/clockworkmod/backup/ - just remember to drop the 0x when you need to enter it
erica_renee said:
i THINK If you mess with the rom on your tablet and... BRICK your device .. you should tough it out and fix yourself... Acer or the store is not responsible for this .But then you could also argue that if they had not locked the bootloader this type of bricking would not happen..
So i say go above and beyond to try to fix it from the help on here.. if that fails.. THEN Maybe exchange it.. Its wrong to brake something then expect someone else to foot the bill. Yes im to honest for my own good at times... Acer has also been known to repair .
If you bought a extra warranty all of the above in my book is out the window.. Make them replace it ..
GIGGLES..
Good luck on getting it repaired ..and be more careful next time..
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Honestly if more people returned bricked phones/tablets etc... they would quit locking them down... the you broke it you fix it because they want to keep people from doing things they should be able to do with THEIR system they bought... In other words I completely don't agree with this at all.. If everything was unlocked and such then I would support the you fix it, but then again we wouldn't be running into these issues now would we. But then again Most people need people to babysit them and tell them what they can and can't do with what they own..
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Honestly if more people returned bricked phones/tablets etc... they would quit locking them down... the you broke it you fix it because they want to keep people from doing things they should be able to do with THEIR system they bought... In other words I completely don't agree with this at all.. If everything was unlocked and such then I would support the you fix it, but then again we wouldn't be running into these issues now would we. But then again Most people need people to babysit them and tell them what they can and can't do with what they own..
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@wade7919. You clearly have never worked in IT support on a hardware level.
Or maybe, I am barking up the wrong panty-leg?
If you bought a high dollar corvette, GM will support it. If you add an aftermarket chip, and your engine blows, do you expect GM to fix it? No. I wouldn't expect it either. Not their problem. Just because you can add a chip, doesn't mean you should do it.
That's why they try to lock bootloaders. To prevent users from doing things they shouldn't. Unlock them, and it opens a whole world of issues based on "open source". God help us if they unlock bootloaders.....
Not sure what you are getting at. I am under the belief, if you broke it, you fix it. Take responsibility for one's own actions. Shouldn't take the panzy pussyass way (no offence Erica and werecaltf), and return it for replacement. Suck it up, and learn from experience. Otherwise, the next device, you'll do the same stupid thing again.
I like things the way they are. Difficult, but not impossible. That separates the people with balls (again Erica and wercatlf, no offense), from the sheep.
But if you fubar the device, own up to it, and fix it. Don't pawn it off to somebody else (return it). And if you don't have the brain cells to have a backup plan before you start... Well, don't shed tears over it. Own up, throw the testosterone in the garbage disposal, and fix it.
Somebody give me a zanex...
And people, stop using Gingerbreak!!!!!!
Why locking a bootloader will cost ACER billions
Moscow and wade7919, you both make good arguments.
But it is what point of view you're coming form. If I bought a car and changed the RIM's on all 4 wheels and the engine blew up, would GM refuse to honor the warranty?
However, if I put jet fuel and alcohol in for gasoline and blew the engine why would they honor the warranty?
So, the question here is does rooting a device cause actual damage to the device thereby preventing rooting saves them warranty issues? Or is the device also considered to include the software and is covered under warranty?
I'm not taking sides here, but you both are making very good points but with different examples at different points of view.
So, lets look at other items and see if we can draw a parallel. If I buy a brand new Dell computer and send it in for Warranty and there is nothing wrong with the hardware they charge me (correct?). So if I fubar the OS or load something that caused the damage I pay for it or fix it. If there is actually a hardware failure then they cover it under warranty.
So, why does an Android MFG take the warranty one step further and include the OS and take steps to lock it so you cannot change it? Well, this is because nobody owns the OS (it's open source) therefore they take ownership of the build. Because there's no Microsoft to blame, they lock the software and consider it to be part of the overall device (Apple claimed this in their lawsuit). So, in the MFG's mind, there is no difference from the screen, keyboard, or the firmware & software.
So the question is what do you think should be covered under warranty? Most people think it should be just the hardware like a PC. Others see the whole device which includes the OS.
My point of view:
What follows is my rant and my opinion (you are warned )
In my opinion, I had NO problem until they decided to lock the bootloader. I have no problem with them claiming warranty from A-Z and if I change anything they won't warranty it. No problem, I understand that and accept full responsibility. But by ACER locking the bootloader they went too far.
To me this would be like GM welding the hood shut on my car. Better yet, it would be like me waking up one morning and opening my garage to get in my car and discover that during the night GM welded the hood shut. This, in my opinion, is illegal. Matter of fact, in my opinion, it violates US Federal hacking laws because they enter a system and destroyed data. I eventually think OEM's will get a class action suit filed on them for this.
Secondly, Windows 8 is going to be the game changer. OEM's can now make a hardware device and sit behind only warranting the hardware. You have a problem with the OS, call MS. Also, there is a HUGE (I mean HUGE). Did I mention HUGE, demand for tablets in business. Businesses will NOT put a device that has all these consumer games and social networking loaded into the workforce. There are billions in business applications that can be made, but you cannot sell them if they only run on a tablet that cannot have games removed etc.
Example might help: Medical field <- Think of all the applications a tablet can be used to save costs in hospitals. Do your really want your doctor or nurse etc using this tablet on facebook? Insurance company's, law firms, retailers, traveling sales, etc etc (Government). The list goes on.
Developers will see this huge opportunity and will write applications because they can sell them to A-Z and the business buying them will buy them because they can remove facebook and gmail from their company owned tablets. Now, as more and more developers move to Windows they'll drop Android. Want another example, read about Netflix and the issues they have had supporting a fragmented Android OS. So, business applications will move to Windows, but you might say so what, the consumer market is still there. True, but all you need is one killer application that everyone will want and for that to only be on Windows 8. Want some examples, here's my list, NFL (or sports), Netflix, Skype (gee owned by MS now isn't it?), or something new.
Bottom-line is this, if ACER and the others want to lock their bootloaders then they have just taken themselves out of the game for any business sales. Can you imagine walking into a boardroom showing the Government how your new VA application will save the VA Hospitals millions next year alone and improve veterans healthcare. Your application runs on any HC Android tablet. Everything is smoking, going great, as you hand your tablets, ACER a500', around the room. They are loving it. You just hit 'pay-dirt', then someone says hey I see these ACER's have gmail, facebook, blah blah. We cannot have government employees using tablets with those applications loaded, your installer removes them doesn't it? Silence enters the room, all eyes are focused on you. Your mind see millions escaping which were just within your grasp, you pause, you think, and you say YES General as you grab your Motorola Xoom and say 'that's why we recommend you buy nothing but Motorola.'. ACER just kissed millions in sales goodbye (oh and this is a true story).
i do believe acer should lock the bootloader on there devices.
However thee are things I would be doing with my tab if it were not locked.
Acer should give us the ability to flash the bootloader and not use the proprietary software. Lock that software to there bootloader.for there protections.
Give us a wway to unlock it..AT OUR OWN RISK..
So it should be locked but have a way to unlock it with the end user understanding they are totally on there own ..
I would be OK with voiding my warranty.
@Dean,
"So if I fubar the OS or load something that caused the damage I pay for it or fix it. If there is actually a hardware failure then they cover it under warranty."
Yes, that is true. Bootloaders are locked, to prevent completely stupid idiots, from doing things they absolutely no idea what the sam hell they are doing.
The issue is, should we be able to return a device, after we fubarred it? Against warranty? To say, Hey, your weakness allowed me to do it.
Just because the ability to do it exists, and we can quote a thousand instances, It doesn't mean we should, and to shirk responsibility. And pass it off to the main individual.
The fact is, the policies and regulations are there, and we should abide. And if we don't, we have to own up and deal with it.
And if we don't, then we are no better than the low life of the world. The scum.
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@Dean,
"So if I fubar the OS or load something that caused the damage I pay for it or fix it. If there is actually a hardware failure then they cover it under warranty."
Yes, that is true. Bootloaders are locked, to prevent completely stupid idiots, from doing things they absolutely no idea what the sam hell they are doing.
The issue is, should we be able to return a device, after we fubarred it? Against warranty? To say, Hey, your weakness allowed me to do it.
Just because the ability to do it exists, and we can quote a thousand instances, It doesn't mean we should, and to shirk responsibility. And pass it off to the main individual.
The fact is, the policies and regulations are there, and we should abide. And if we don't, we have to own up and deal with it.
And if we don't, then we are no better than the low life of the world. The scum.
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Very well put.I do know of a few people who have sent there device to acer after messing it up installing rom and telling acer.acer still fixed it free.
Honesty is always best
The evils of rooting
I'm still missing something here, why locking a bootloader does anything. Go get a Mortorola Xoom (not the FE) and you run the unlock OEM. It tells you that you are unlocking it. It tells you that you unlock it at your own risk. You cannot relock it until it is 100% back to stock. It asks you three times are you sure.
Locking the bootloader and treating everyone as an idiot is the problem. Just do what Motorola does, and stop being everybody's keeper. If they want to 'Police' this then you should have to call ACER and they fax you a form. You give DNA to prove who you are and fax it back. Then you go to a mandatory rooting class, that lasts for 5 days, where ACER preaches to you the sins of rooting. Then you have to take and pass a test. Then and only then, after passing the test you get a certificate. Then you call back, give them your certificate ID. Now they give you the secret key to unlock only your tablet.
That's the ticket,
TD
Bottom-line, it's not that they locked the boatloader, it's that you cannot unlock it. Like I said, go out to your driveway some morning and find that GM welded the hood to your car shut because they think you are stupid and shouldn't be opening the hood. Mind you that YESTERDAY, and at the time your bought it, it was not welded shut. That ladies and gentlemen is what ACER did with their OTA.
Moscow Desire said:
@wade7919. You clearly have never worked in IT support on a hardware level.
Or maybe, I am barking up the wrong panty-leg?
If you bought a high dollar corvette, GM will support it. If you add an aftermarket chip, and your engine blows, do you expect GM to fix it? No. I wouldn't expect it either. Not their problem. Just because you can add a chip, doesn't mean you should do it.
That's why they try to lock bootloaders. To prevent users from doing things they shouldn't. Unlock them, and it opens a whole world of issues based on "open source". God help us if they unlock bootloaders.....
Not sure what you are getting at. I am under the belief, if you broke it, you fix it. Take responsibility for one's own actions. Shouldn't take the panzy pussyass way (no offence Erica and werecaltf), and return it for replacement. Suck it up, and learn from experience. Otherwise, the next device, you'll do the same stupid thing again.
I like things the way they are. Difficult, but not impossible. That separates the people with balls (again Erica and wercatlf, no offense), from the sheep.
But if you fubar the device, own up to it, and fix it. Don't pawn it off to somebody else (return it). And if you don't have the brain cells to have a backup plan before you start... Well, don't shed tears over it. Own up, throw the testosterone in the garbage disposal, and fix it.
Somebody give me a zanex...
And people, stop using Gingerbreak!!!!!!
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Okay comparing A Tablet or PHone to a car is stupid... Compare it to a Desktop Computer or Laptop... Companies do not lock them down so you can not use different OS's now do they.. They offer Backups to restore the system back to how it was with recovery partitions dont they? or they offer the choice to buy whatever OS you want to install correct? they don't limit you to say just Windows or *NIX do they? But we don't see laptops or desktops locked down to where you can't upgrade your system yourself or anything else... and any dumdass can do that without an issue most of the time. and there is more issues with viruses and crap on computers than phones or tablets...
So before you start making statements like compare this to that learn what to compare to first. If you mess something up on a hardware level sure pay for it.. if you mess something up on a software level because they decided to Babysit people its their fault. and if you think its the persons fault because they decided to open up a PRODUCT that they bought and own then you are one of the people that need babysitting and like everyone telling you what to do and how to do it. Go to an apple product then.
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Also if you really brick your device you can always give
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wade7919 said:
Okay comparing A Tablet or PHone to a car is stupid... Compare it to a Desktop Computer or Laptop... Companies do not lock them down so you can not use different OS's now do they.. They offer Backups to restore the system back to how it was with recovery partitions dont they? or they offer the choice to buy whatever OS you want to install correct? they don't limit you to say just Windows or *NIX do they? But we don't see laptops or desktops locked down to where you can't upgrade your system yourself or anything else... and any dumdass can do that without an issue most of the time. and there is more issues with viruses and crap on computers than phones or tablets...
So before you start making statements like compare this to that learn what to compare to first. If you mess something up on a hardware level sure pay for it.. if you mess something up on a software level because they decided to Babysit people its their fault. and if you think its the persons fault because they decided to open up a PRODUCT that they bought and own then you are one of the people that need babysitting and like everyone telling you what to do and how to do it. Go to an apple product then.
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I still like my car comparison
I make the car comparison to illustrate a point, because when I compare tablets to a PC everyone piles on *****ing about MS.
Bottom-line it doesn't matter if it's a blender or a PC. I own it, you own yours and I can do what I want with mine as you can with yours. Now, again I have a BIG(did i mention BIG issue with them changing it on me after I bought it.
To get back on topic, is the original poster still out there?? Has any of this helped? Are you still bricked?? Give us an update so we know if anything worked or you still need help.
The device was returned and accepted for replacement by the shop.Got new one and feel very nervous to start rooting procedure over.I was really lucky that they did not charge me anything but I really want to know what I did wrong so I don't brick my new device again.
I will provide further details soon about my computer OS and firewall settings and perhaps we may figure out what I did wrong.
To all good guys who send me them suggestions and solutions I wanna say big THANK YOU !!!
Your help is really priceless and thrilled me deeply. Will update topic soon
Happy New Yer to all Android fans!!!
So...Back on the subject.
My device was purchased in Japan and its current firmware version is
Acer_A500_7.009.03_AAP_CUS6JP
Q1. Can I flash US or World Wide firmware version on that device.
Q2. Does anybody know the Acer's ftp download server address for Japan
Q3. I think its a good idea to dump my original stock firmware but it seems there is no way doing that prior rooting.So..kinda stuck .any suggestions appreciated.
P.S. I'm thinking about flashing the latest Rooted rom 3.2.1 V3 by timmiDean (thanks for your hard work) I read the instructions very carefully and I think that everything will go smoothly but just in case (considering the specific Japanese firmware version)
would appreciate any further directions by the author.
Thanks
My SGS4 recently stopped working - basically what happened was that it doesn't seem to be drawing power from the battery. The phone will turn on when plugged in (but soon power off), and will show as charging when first plugged into charger (but not charge). However if I unplug it, it won't turn on.
The phone is rooted, and running a custom, Samsung based ROM.
I have tried using a different battery, and the stock battery fully charged with an external charger - and the phone still won't turn on. It's clearly a hardware related issue - drawing current from the battery. I've also tried turning the phone on in download mode, and recovery mode. Both of which do the same as a standard boot - ie. turn on for a while, then turn off.
The phone, being only about 6 months old, was still within warranty period, so I took the phone to Telstra. Not surprisingly, Telstra have said that as there is a Custom ROM on the phone, the warrant is voided. I stated that my understanding is that under Australian law, as it is a hardware fault, and not a fault caused by the ROM, the warranty still stands - however Telstra wouldn't budge and said I have 5 days to decide if I want to pay the $300+ for the repair.
What is my next course of action? Has anybody had a similar issue previously? Is the TIO the next port of call? Or should I be going to NSW Department of Fair Trading?
I'm sure I've read previously that phones are still covered under warranty after rooting etc, if it can be shown that it's a hardware fault, not a software fault. As the battery doesn't seem to be powering the phone, this clearly seems to be the case - esp. as it is the same in download mode and recovery mode.
Any help would be great. Please don't post pointing out that I rooted my phone so THAT's my own fault etc. These posts aren't helpful, I already have know that.
is it too late to throw the original Telstra ROM on it and take it back to another store? If you were careful you would still be on the old bootloader, so there shouldn't be any KNOX concerns.
Thanks for the response.
It may not be too late, however I cannot flash it, as the phone won't stay on for more than a second or two. Even in download mode.
I was on the old bootloader, yes. So knox is fine.
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Thanks for the response.
It may not be too late, however I cannot flash it, as the phone won't stay on for more than a second or two. Even in download mode.
I was on the old bootloader, yes. So knox is fine.
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Thats good to hear that your still on oldbootloader but the problem still will remain if you cant do something about it. Can you pls pull the battery out for atleast 5 to 10 minutes to let it settle abit and put it back after. Thanks
Edit: Would you mind checking your battery Serial S/N if it starts with BD ? thank you.
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I am not too sure about Australian law but under EU law you are fine. This does not however apply to the rest of the world.
Either way if you have rooted outisde EU you are pretty much done for (unless there is a law). its extremely hard to prove that your rooting / apps or whatever you have on it has not caused the Hardware fault.
I understand that it is battery not charging etc, is there anyway while phone is connected directly to mains to flash it from usb card? if you could do this and 'unroot' the phone it should be stock or give you enough to trick kies into allowing you to update?
Its a pity you cannot power it through your PC and enter download mode and flash.. (or can you?)
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Thats good to hear that your still on oldbootloader but the problem still will remain if you cant do something about it. Can you pls pull the battery out for atleast 5 to 10 minutes to let it settle abit and put it back after. Thanks
Edit: Would you mind checking your battery Serial S/N if it starts with BD ? thank you.
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Hi,
It's definitely no fault of the battery. I've tried various batteries, left the phone without a battery for days etc. (See this thread for details of this issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2581229&page=2)
Battery serial starts AA.
A|ex said:
I am not too sure about Australian law but under EU law you are fine. This does not however apply to the rest of the world.
Either way if you have rooted outisde EU you are pretty much done for (unless there is a law). its extremely hard to prove that your rooting / apps or whatever you have on it has not caused the Hardware fault.
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I think that's the issue here. Basically a big company taking advantage of the small man. They have the upper hand, they know it, so they force you to pay.
It has to be a hardware fault, based on all of the behaviour (ie. phone booting in all modes - but dying in a handful of seconds), but it's easy for them to wash their hands of the warrant, by saying I modified the device - even if it is irrelevant to the problem.
I understand that it is battery not charging etc, is there anyway while phone is connected directly to mains to flash it from usb card? if you could do this and 'unroot' the phone it should be stock or give you enough to trick kies into allowing you to update?
Its a pity you cannot power it through your PC and enter download mode and flash.. (or can you?)
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Unfortunately not. Even when the phone powers up, it shows 0% and shuts down very soon after. If I plug it into the PC, then turn it on, it powers up and again turns off not long after. This same behaviour carries across to download mode and recovery mode. ie. It boots, but then dies within a few seconds.
Think I'll complain to the ombudsman.
Based on the Australian law, the ombudsman can assist as follows:
The TIO has jurisdiction to investigate complaints about faulty mobile handsets where the handset is supplied as part of a contractual relationship, between the TIO Member carrier or carriage service provider and the complainant, which involves the provision of a carriage service to be accessed via that handset.
The TIO does not have jurisdiction to investigate complaints where the customer supplies the handset (i.e. they have purchased it outright and separately from their purchase of network services), or where the initial contract has expired and the customer retains and continues to use the handset. Where appropriate, the TIO will refer out-of-jurisdiction complaints to the relevant Department of Fair Trading or Consumer Affairs.
This position statement does not relate to any manufacturer's warranty. The TIO will investigate complaints about faulty handsets provided as part of a bundled service, even where the initial handset warranty period may have expired.
Under the TIO's Operational Guidelines the TIO will only investigate complaints about faulty handsets where the fault is caused by an inherent defect or otherwise and is not caused by misuse by the customer. The TIO may also decline to investigate a complaint where a customer has not produced a handset for inspection/assessment after being asked to do so by their provider or the TIO.
As the defect was not caused by myself - as the rooting and custom software did not lead to the hardware defect, I believe it falls under the TIO jurisdiction.
As a long shot would a juice pack for a S4 work such as a morphie as you can charge and also sync? (not sure if the phone uses the pack or whether the pack is used to charge the battery, if the latter it will not work for you)
or maybe a mains powered dock and usb cable to PC?
Given TIO is able to look at something like this as the handset is bundled, go to them. Better them than CA/FT/whomever, as TIO is the specialist industry body.
Or....This sounds like it may be a simple USB board/port failure which is quick/easy/cheap (maybe 15 bucks) to replace yourself. You could always try that, and if that doesn't end up being the issue then go the TIO route.
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Given TIO is able to look at something like this as the handset is bundled, go to them. Better them than CA/FT/whomever, as TIO is the specialist industry body.
Or....This sounds like it may be a simple USB board/port failure which is quick/easy/cheap (maybe 15 bucks) to replace yourself. You could always try that, and if that doesn't end up being the issue then go the TIO route.
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I don't believe it's a usb port failure, as fully charged batteries haven't worked. It's not the USB port that's issue, but that the phone isn't drawing current from the battery.
A|ex said:
As a long shot would a juice pack for a S4 work such as a morphie as you can charge and also sync? (not sure if the phone uses the pack or whether the pack is used to charge the battery, if the latter it will not work for you)
or maybe a mains powered dock and usb cable to PC?
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What's a juice pack?
I have a dock, bit it has the same issue as charging direct - the phone turns off after about one second
So the latest news – I tried to phone the store again and this Telstra Shop NEVER answer their phone – I have their direct local line, given to me by the Telstra Call Centre, and even tried calling them as I walked through the door – as I'd tried calling throughout the day with no answer. The phone on the desks rang, and was ignored by staff who were standing around having a conversation. Sure explains why they weren't answering the phone throughout the day! So anyway, after not getting through to the store, I called the Telstra Call Centre again, explained the situation, and that I was quoted ~$350 for the quote. The operator looked into it, put me into someone who was escalating the case. After a short chat, the person said they'd call me back after speaking to the tech, getting all the details etc etc. Long story short, they call me back and gave me a waiver code. Said that I can request the store repair the phone, and give that waiver which will mean I'm not charged.
I went into the Telstra store this evening (which is after I kept trying to call them all day as above), and told them the situation. They didn't understand why I was telling them, and said I needed to tell the tech centre – who they can't provide contact number for (and who had told me when giving me the quote to respond to the store within 5 working days). Eventually a guy that knew what he was doing explained to my staff member that he just needed to email/message the tech responsible, provide the waiver and confirm to go ahead with repairs.
Now I've just got to wait for the call saying my phone is ready to be picked up Hopefully they don't stuff that up!!
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So the latest news – I tried to phone the store again and this Telstra Shop NEVER answer their phone – I have their direct local line, given to me by the Telstra Call Centre, and even tried calling them as I walked through the door – as I'd tried calling throughout the day with no answer. The phone on the desks rang, and was ignored by staff who were standing around having a conversation. Sure explains why they weren't answering the phone throughout the day! So anyway, after not getting through to the store, I called the Telstra Call Centre again, explained the situation, and that I was quoted ~$350 for the quote. The operator looked into it, put me into someone who was escalating the case. After a short chat, the person said they'd call me back after speaking to the tech, getting all the details etc etc. Long story short, they call me back and gave me a waiver code. Said that I can request the store repair the phone, and give that waiver which will mean I'm not charged.
I went into the Telstra store this evening (which is after I kept trying to call them all day as above), and told them the situation. They didn't understand why I was telling them, and said I needed to tell the tech centre – who they can't provide contact number for (and who had told me when giving me the quote to respond to the store within 5 working days). Eventually a guy that knew what he was doing explained to my staff member that he just needed to email/message the tech responsible, provide the waiver and confirm to go ahead with repairs.
Now I've just got to wait for the call saying my phone is ready to be picked up Hopefully they don't stuff that up!!
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Congrats on the Win! but i bet they will slap you in the face with KNOX
You mean they'll put me on the new BL? Yes, I'm sure of it. Tech centres always do a factory reset and load the latest firmware. They give you a warranty on the repair, so they ensure all is stock.
If you mean they will refuse to repair because of knox, I'm confident they won't. I'm on the old BL, and even so I've been given the quote and waiver for the quote already.
My phone has been returned in working order. Of course, Telstra being Telstra, I was told that they couldn't add the waiver at the shop, so we would be billed, and then have to apply for a credit.
Oh, and they've updated to a Knox enabled ROM obviously but that was expected
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Hi, I have a LG K20 Plus. I currently can't turn the phone on, so I don't have much software information to give you. The phone was bought at T-Mobile (Metro by T-Mobile) and I had a SafeLink sim card and a 16 gb micro sd card inserted when the issue started. I have since removed both. It says Qualcomm snapdragon on the screen when it starts. It was also rooted and the bootloader is unlocked.
I broke the screen on my phone and I decided to do the repair myself. I have done about 7 or 8 screen replacements and I actually did this phone a year ago with no issues, so I felt I could manage this one as well. I bought an entire display (from ebay) and switched it out with no problems. Initially it worked great! I used it for a few days before realizing that I had no sound. I opened it back up and noticed the loud speaker had fallen out. I found it, put it back in, reassembled it as I normally do and turned it on.
NOTE: when I was reassembling it the second time, I actually tried to put a screw in a hole that wasn't a screw hole. I used a light to normal amount of pressure but I didn't force it. I think it's the hole where the moisture detector is. Picture #1
I turned it on and right after the logo screen I got a message that said "High temperature detected Powering off for your safety" and it immediately shut off. The phone does appear to charge normally but it won't stay on. I did a factory reset (I'm not sure if it's still rooted but the bootloader is still unlocked). I also switched back to the old (broken) display just to check if that would work. I couldn't see any difference in the shielding but I switched them just to be sure. I bought a new battery and installed it. I took a q-tip and 95% Isopropyl Alcohol and cleaned pretty much the entire motherboard, paying special attention to the battery connections. After each one of these things, I tried to start it with the same error message immediately upon start up.
NOTE: At no point has the phone every physically felt hot or even warm. I don't think it's on long enough for it to get hot. But something is wrong and I have no idea what it is. I, literally, took the phone apart, put in the speaker and put it back together in less than 5 minutes. Could it be I just bumped something and knocked it loose?
I searched for any information I could find both here and with google but there is next to no information on the LG K20 Plus. I did find some information on the LG V20 that had overheating issues, and that has been all the luck I've had. I watched several videos and it seems the solution is to apply thermal paste. But my phone doesn't have any evidence that thermal paste was ever on it. I went and bought some but I have no idea where exactly to put it or even if it's needed. Most videos showed people using some kind of aluminum foil but I'm not sure if that is safe. I have several old phone laying around and I managed to get some of the silver tape and a copper square thing but, again, my phone did not have these things to begin with. I don't want to start adding things only to make it worse.
There is a slight difference of the tape that is on my phone now (the display I just bought) as compared to the old one (broken display). Picture #2 Again, I have no idea if that means anything but I thought it worth mentioning. Picture #3 is how it looks now as if I were going to put it back together. Picture #4 is the part (don't know name) where the videos show to apply the thermal paste and the shielding.
I'm really at a loss as to what to do next and I can't really afford to take it in to have it repaired before next month. If anybody has any insight or answers as to what happened, I'd be very grateful for your help. I'm sorry for the long post. I just wanted to tell you everything I have done in detail. Thank you
If you're using Kernel Auditor or any other kernel adjustment simply reset to default and use only ondemand or interactive. There's also options for the thermal portion of the kernel, don't mess with those. If VCC or another thermal option was checked off turn it back on. Putting the GPS to the moderate setting (the one below high accuracy) will keep the temps down as well. Are you using a custom ROM? If you're on Discord you can feel free to message me SCOPE★ BRΞΛD #8460 . I am only offering that so we can get this resolved quickly for you, just copy and paste since I use special characters.
Omgosh, thank you so much for taking the time to respond! Although I'm sure everything you are saying is very smart, I have absolutely no idea what you're saying. I'll do my best to try and answer you. I don't know what SCOPE is or how to send a message there. I don't think I'm using any thing for the "kernal". Also, I don't know what VCC or Discord is. As far as turning off setting for GPS or any other app, the phone will not stay on. I get about 1 sec after the logo when it boots up, then the error message about overheating and it immediately shuts off. I did a factory reset so everything should be good to go as far as apps. I don't think I'm using a custom ROM. The only thing I did was install TWRP, unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone a year ago but nothing since then. As I stated earlier, this happened right after I did a display repair. Is there something on the MOBO that can get bumped that will make your phone get hot or send a overheating error. My phone doesn't show any sign that there was ever thermal paste on it prior but should I add some now. Will that help?
Update... Now the phone does not power on at all. When I plug it in to charge it I get an error that says "Device temperature is too high or low. Please move to another place to charge. I wonder where you went. I googled SCOPE so I could sign up to message you like you asked me to but nothing but definitions came up. I know I'm out of my league here. You guys all talk so technical. I didn't understand one thing the person asked me for. I know it's rare to get a response as quickly as I did and I was so happy to see someone had responded. Now, I just feel stupid and defeated. I thought this site was inexperienced with cell phones friendly. I'm just trying to get help so I don't have to go out and buy another phone again. Can someone refer me to a site that is more directed toward people who don't know much about the technical side of cell phones... please! Again, thank you for your time.
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Update... Now the phone does not power on at all. When I plug it in to charge it I get an error that says "Device temperature is too high or low. Please move to another place to charge. I wonder where you went. I googled SCOPE so I could sign up to message you like you asked me to but nothing but definitions came up. I know I'm out of my league here. You guys all talk so technical. I didn't understand one thing the person asked me for. I know it's rare to get a response as quickly as I did and I was so happy to see someone had responded. Now, I just feel stupid and defeated. I thought this site was inexperienced with cell phones friendly. I'm just trying to get help so I don't have to go out and buy another phone again. Can someone refer me to a site that is more directed toward people who don't know much about the technical side of cell phones... please! Again, thank you for your time.
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Hey, I just wanted to say sorry this happened to you. The same thing happened to me. My LG K20 Plus, no matter what button combinations I push and for how long I hold them, will not turn on or go into download mode. Plugging it in to a charger or PC does nothing either. Before it got to this state, I got the infamous green screen of death/Demigod crash handler (google this--it's a known issue with some models of LG phones and it happens when they overheat). It's definitely a hardware/build issue, and especially since this issue keeps the phone from turning on or connecting to a computer, I don't see a workable fix short of buying a new phone, unfortunately. Again, I'm in the same boat so I'm not happy about it either. I would say XDA is by far the best site to find a fix to this sort of problem, so if no one here has any suggestions on how to fix it, I think you (we) may be out of luck.
Thank you for letting me know. I'm not sure of some of what you said but I did catch the bottom line. Basically, just hold onto the phone until someone here comes up with a fix or workaround? I have a question for you. Did your problem start after you did some kind of repair? I'm wondering if I bumped something on the mobo to make it give a false overheating error. Do you happen to know where that sensor might be located? Sorry you are having problems to. It really stinks when your phone breaks and no matter how much time and energy you put it to figuring out the problem to fix it, there just isn't any good answers out there. I wish you lots of luck and if you figure anything out, please update here so I can try it too.
You need a whole new phone.
That or you're gonna have to replace the hardware