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why i'm a numbskull (apparently)

I generally leave my o2 bill till my phone gets cut off, then pay online and it comes back on within ten minutes. (Dont pay over the phone, takes aaages to come back on).
Well, this morning, my line was cut at around 6am, and my phone went to bits. I woke at 9.30 and the phone had been trying to update weather and email and the like and the combination of lots of failed data connections had brought it to a grinding halt. Partial popups on screen, utterly unresponsive. Scared the bejeezus out of me. One soft reset later, and of course it started trying to update again straight away, dreadfully slow and unresponsive. I managed to activate the wifi and it finally cleared itself, but i still needed to soft reset again to get it back up to speed.
My lesson for the day? Pay my bill the day BEFORE it gets cut off!

I don't get it, why would you wait until your phone gets cut off for you to pay the bill? Are you trying to milk every minute of your "billing period"?

lude219 said:
I don't get it, why would you wait until your phone gets cut off for you to pay the bill? Are you trying to milk every minute of your "billing period"?
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lol, no, just milk every second of the money being in my bank not theirs. If it took hours to come back on like it does when you pay over the phone i wouldnt do it, but pay online with a debit card and its straight back on. (and i wont use direct debit, why should they have the money two weeks before they make an issue of it?)

You do know that this will most likely go on your credit score, watch when you want to get something on credit and they say no or make you pay a
very big deposit.

I think it only goes on your credit score after a month so he should be all right. Still a bit weird though

samsamuel said:
I generally leave my o2 bill till my phone gets cut off, then pay online and it comes back on within ten minutes. (Dont pay over the phone, takes aaages to come back on).
Well, this morning, my line was cut at around 6am, and my phone went to bits. I woke at 9.30 and the phone had been trying to update weather and email and the like and the combination of lots of failed data connections had brought it to a grinding halt. Partial popups on screen, utterly unresponsive. Scared the bejeezus out of me. One soft reset later, and of course it started trying to update again straight away, dreadfully slow and unresponsive. I managed to activate the wifi and it finally cleared itself, but i still needed to soft reset again to get it back up to speed.
My lesson for the day? Pay my bill the day BEFORE it gets cut off!
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in all honesty, i couldnt be arsed.....just pay by direct debit and be done with it.

donwhann said:
in all honesty, i couldnt be arsed.....just pay by direct debit and be done with it.
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DD ftw.
However, I guess its useful incase one month you rack up an huge bill?

lepszy said:
I think it only goes on your credit score after a month so he should be all right. Still a bit weird though
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It'll be marked as a late payment because a monthly contract is in effect a credit agreement.
I think the credit score will be marked with a 1.

Starfury said:
It'll be marked as a late payment because a monthly contract is in effect a credit agreement.
I think the credit score will be marked with a 1.
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This is a big no-no imo. Will kill your credit rating big time.
You will struggle to get credit (mortgage, credit cards, etc)

samsamuel said:
(and i wont use direct debit, why should they have the money two weeks before they make an issue of it?)
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they actually take the money 2 weeks AFTER issuing the bill, well they do for online accounts, not sure about paper/shop billing

You *might* want to check your credit file, if it does get recorded as a late payment every month you're really going to struggle to get any form of credit in the future.

Richy99 said:
they actually take the money 2 weeks AFTER issuing the bill, well they do for online accounts, not sure about paper/shop billing
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O2 have gone for pretty much all online billing now, so its the same almost all across the board.

Agree. Would definitely take out a free trial with Experian, just for peace of mind.
My worry would be that when your contract ends, O2 are definitely not going to offer you any kind of deal to stay with them. They will be looking to cut any "problem" customers loose.
Which means you go looking at the other networks, who after looking at your credit profile see that when it comes to mobile bills, you are a liability.
Its a shame we all have to conform to survive these days, as in theory I can totally understand your reasoning. Why should these companies sit on our money and get our interest when it doesn't belong to them until the payment date.
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hah, to use an americanism.... "lol @ all y' all"
I've been doing it that way for 9 years with o2 (and my utilities) and my bank account has been in the black maybe 5 times since since I started university in 1995.
in that time I've had 2 credit cards and two personal loans, and three years ago I got a mortgage.
the mythical credit score? load of rubbish.they're only interested in money that never gets paid back our had to go through the courts to collect.
edit - oh and o2 have always been great, thus why I've stayed with them so long.

It's not as I got refused a CC recently, even though I already have one and wanted to transfer the balance over...it's luck of the draw tbh

Most bizarre thing I have read on here, I couldnt be a55ed with the hassle, just stick it on a DD

samsamuel said:
I've been doing it that way for 9 years with o2 (and my utilities) and my bank account has been in the black maybe 5 times since since I started university in 1995.
in that time I've had 2 credit cards and two personal loans, and three years ago I got a mortgage.
the mythical credit score? load of rubbish.they're only interested in money that never gets paid back our had to go through the courts to collect.
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Glad it's worked for you so far, however that was then and this is now... things have changed and credit is not dished out as liberally as it once was. As for your bank account, I hope you are aware that banks can recall your overdraft whenever they want?
I'm all in favour of stretching things and make as much "free" money as I can get (cashback sites, cashback credit cards and in the good old days of 0% with no transfer fees, credit tarting to the extreme with £30k + of interest-free money sitting pretty in a savings account ) but I would never do so to the detriment of my credit file (the score itself is meaningless, it's what's on the report and how an institution decide to interpret it that matters).

m0j0j0j0123 said:
Most bizarre thing I have read on here, I couldnt be a55ed with the hassle, just stick it on a DD
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very kind of you to let o2 have 5 months or so worth of your interest per year. (billing date 18th, dd collection date approx 5th, doesn't actually become a late payment till the 20th, so every month they get to hold your money for about 2 and a bit weeks that it could be in your account.)
of course this IS a forum for possibly the worlds most expensive phone, I shouldn't be surprised there are lots of people here who don't need to make the pennies count!

samsamuel said:
very kind of you to let o2 have 5 months or so worth of your interest per year. (billing date 18th, dd collection date approx 5th, doesn't actually become a late payment till the 20th, so every month they get to hold your money for about 2 and a bit weeks that it could be in your account.)
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What does that amount to, 50p a year?

very helpful member, but i don't get it... how much does the interest amount to? have you done the math?

Sprint officially announces Epic 4G: August 31st, $249.99!

20 minutes ago: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...ease-date-for-samsung-epic-4g-is-august-31st/

I confirm. I just got their email. Where the hell is the off-contract price?

TheBiles said:
I confirm. I just got their email. Where the hell is the off-contract price?
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The way I read it, you add back in the contract discounts to get the off-contract total: $250 + $150 + $100 = $500.

boomerbubba said:
The way I read it, you add back in the contract discounts to get the off-contract total: $250 + $150 + $100 = $500.
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Got damn! maybe i can get a cheap one from craigslist

boomerbubba said:
The way I read it, you add back in the contract discounts to get the off-contract total: $250 + $150 + $100 = $500.
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Yeah, the reservation site confirmed the $500. I was just confused because the email for the EVO listed the MSRP and all of the discounts and not just a $350 "2-year price."

sprint makes me laugh, seriously, they have to have the cheapest prices in order to get customers that can't afford anything else because they are so boneheaded that they drive every other customer away. 250 dollars for this phone? on a 2 year contract? Seriously? I feel like its April Fools or something, the Evo was 200 and this thing should be too. Oh wait, how much is the droid 2? Yea, not 250 dollars.

Here's the image from my email this morning. I plan on getting one for my wife since she likes a keyboard coming from a blackberry. I'll be sticking with my Evo
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robl45 said:
sprint makes me laugh, seriously, they have to have the cheapest prices in order to get customers that can't afford anything else because they are so boneheaded that they drive every other customer away. 250 dollars for this phone? on a 2 year contract? Seriously? I feel like its April Fools or something, the Evo was 200 and this thing should be too. Oh wait, how much is the droid 2? Yea, not 250 dollars.
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Taken from another message board.....perspective...
Everyone who is upset with the price needs to think of the financials for Sprint/Samsung. They're including extra hardware features (QWERTY, front-facing cam, rear flash) that the Vibrant & Captivate don't have, all the while serviced on cheaper plans. You can't hit the margins on both sides of the equation (higher spec'd phone & cheaper plans) and expect the phone to be the same price as their competitors.
As soon as I saw that Sprint's Galaxy S would be a QWERTY slider, I knew there would be a price differential relative to the other 3 carriers' Galaxy S models. When it retained the front-facing cam and added a rear flash, it was obvious.
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Taken from another message board.....perspective...
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yea, problem is, sprint needs to think about the fact that 2 of these things is 700 dollars before you get the rebates. lot of money for a family to spend.

My theory on the price is that they've looked at how many smart phones are in short supply right now and decided they can launch this at a bit more money and reduce their subsidies cost, while still selling reasonable volumes.
I called a Best Buy yesterday, and their phone VRU even had a message saying that if you are calling for iPhone 4's, EVO 4Gs, Droid X, or Droid Incredibles, that they are out of stock.
So demand of high end smart phones is high enough that they've looked at the supply and demand curve and decided that they can at least initially have this phone for a bit more than the market point for the rest of these phones is currently. I suspect 3 months from now, it will have dropped down to $199.
Over a two year contract that's going to cost you $2150 including the phone (regular price: ($79*24 mo) + $250), as a percentage, the extra $50 is pretty nominal. (2.3% of the contract).

Andy S said:
My theory on the price is that they've looked at how many smart phones are in short supply right now and decided they can launch this at a bit more money and reduce their subsidies cost, while still selling reasonable volumes.
I called a Best Buy yesterday, and their phone VRU even had a message saying that if you are calling for iPhone 4's, EVO 4Gs, Droid X, or Droid Incredibles, that they are out of stock.
So demand of high end smart phones is high enough that they've looked at the supply and demand curve and decided that they can at least initially have this phone for a bit more than the market point for the rest of these phones is currently. I suspect 3 months from now, it will have dropped down to $199.
Over a two year contract that's going to cost you $2150 including the phone (regular price: ($79*24 mo) + $250), as a percentage, the extra $50 is pretty nominal. (2.3% of the contract).
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haha thanks! looking at it that way makes me feel a little better

Andy S said:
My theory on the price is that they've looked at how
Over a two year contract that's going to cost you $2150 including the phone (regular price: ($79*24 mo) + $250), as a percentage, the extra $50 is pretty nominal. (2.3% of the contract).
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I've applied your logic to the $50 Captivate (from amazon).
Sprint + Epic
$80/mo * 24 = $1920 + $250 = $2170 over a 2 year contract.
AT&T + Captivate:
$40/mo (minimum minutes) + $25/mo (2GB data vs Sprint's unlimited) + $20 (unlimited texts to match Sprint's) = $85/mo.
$85*24 = $2040 + $50 (phone) = $2090. $80 less than the Epic over a 2 year contract.

capatitive wasnt original $50.00. maybe when the epic is out, there have it cheaper with amazon or something, who knows.

[Tutorial] How to maximize the value of your cell phone plan with a nexus one

OK, I haven't posted in a while so here's a fairly basic tutorial for everyone and hopefully this thread can atleast spark some valuable ideas for everyone.
So we all have nexus ones here, and based on the unique sales strategy of the nexus, I would guess almost all of us have extra phones just laying around lol (I, for example, have a G1 that was basically just a paperweight).
What I did was sign up for an extra line with no contract (t-mobile), no data, no texts, and the minimum amount of minutes possible. This cost me an extra petty $30/month, obviously only a dollar a day which is nothing..
Advantages of this:
You now will be walking around with two phones like a boss lol.. Imagine walking into a restaurant/bar and when you empty your pockets and go to set down your phone, it's actually both phones. In my case, I actually use the other line as a business line, just call up your carrier and ask them to change the caller i.d. name to your business name. Your extra phone is basically a fully functional phone, just because you also have a nexus one. The wifi hotspot on our nexus is critical here. We now have internet, emails, and text (with gtalk? I'm not sure because I only text on my main line). You don't have to ever worry about a wifi because you will always have your main phone, the nexus, in your other pocket.
Disadvantages of this:
Nothing, besides paying an extra dollar a day lol
Bring on the responses

Huh I don't understand why do I need a second line?
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Paying an extra 30 dollars a month for another phone that you don't really need?

erikikaz said:
Paying an extra 30 dollars a month for another phone that you don't really need?
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I see what you're saying here but you gotta weigh out the variables

you can also use google voice and save those 30bucks.
or
you can upgrade your plan with those 30 bucks.

I don't get it...

I guess he doesn't realize that the Nexus One can be used to talk on. I too am guilty here to a degree, I have talked on mine perhaps 2 hours since I got it.
Otherwise, pass the crackpipe dude.

This tutorial actually made for this two guys:
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I started this thread to spark new ideas for other nexus owners across the country

Actually your plan would only cost me more money- perhaps I am missing the BIG picture.

i like my plan better... 1000min + unlimited txt for $49 + tzones for $4.99 = $55 for 1000min,, unlimited txt, unlimited 3G data... been usingin it for 2 yrs no with no contract

t0mmy said:
OK, I haven't posted in a while so here's a fairly basic tutorial for everyone and hopefully this thread can atleast spark some valuable ideas for everyone.
So we all have nexus ones here, and based on the unique sales strategy of the nexus, I would guess almost all of us have extra phones just laying around lol (I, for example, have a G1 that was basically just a paperweight).
What I did was sign up for an extra line with no contract (t-mobile), no data, no texts, and the minimum amount of minutes possible. This cost me an extra petty $30/month, obviously only a dollar a day which is nothing..
Advantages of this:
You now will be walking around with two phones like a boss lol.. Imagine walking into a restaurant/bar and when you empty your pockets and go to set down your phone, it's actually both phones. In my case, I actually use the other line as a business line, just call up your carrier and ask them to change the caller i.d. name to your business name (in my case it was first name: Skytek, last name: Apps). Your extra phone is basically a fully functional phone, just because you also have a nexus one. The wifi hotspot on our nexus is critical here. We now have internet, emails, and text (with gtalk? I'm not sure because I only text on my main line). You don't have to ever worry about a wifi because you will always have your main phone, the nexus, in your other pocket.
Disadvantages of this:
Nothing, besides paying an extra dollar a day lol
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I guess I don't understand why someone would shell out an additional $30 a month to carry around two phones? The Nexus already makes calls and has data, why do you need another phone to do the same thing? To look like a boss? Instead of sharing internet to the second phone, why not just browse on your Nexus? What's the point of this thread? So many questions...

How high do I need to be to understand this thread?

I understand what he's saying, get a second voice line, and be a cheapskate about the data. but if you want to look like a true boss, you lay two iPhone 4's on the table. and you pay $100/month for each. not a N1 and G1. geez!
And I bet nobody calls you on your business phone. Just saying.

peliROJO said:
I understand what he's saying, get a second voice line, and be a cheapskate about the data. but if you want to look like a true boss, you lay two iPhone 4's on the table. and you pay $100/month for each. not a N1 and G1. geez!
And I bet nobody calls you on your business phone. Just saying.
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The g1 was just an example because I had an extra one that was just sitting around.. Paying an extra measly one dollar a day is worth it to me to go from one fully functional phone to two, even if I hardly use the other one lol.
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*read thread*
wtf
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t0mmy said:
Paying an extra measly one dollar a day is worth it to me to go from one fully functional phone to two, even if I hardly use the other one lol.
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Paying an extra $360 dollars a year for something you don't need is kinda silly, unless you like to blow money on random things.
Hell, I can think of many things I'd rather put $360 towards.

To everyone who's confused:
The OP is trying to make a joke (which sadly failed horribly).
I guess it's funny to him, which is all that matters, /shrug.
norazi said:
i like my plan better... 1000min + unlimited txt for $49 + tzones for $4.99 = $55 for 1000min,, unlimited txt, unlimited 3G data... been usingin it for 2 yrs no with no contract
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How? Are you a T-Mobile employee?
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Anyway: a better alternative that *everyone should do*:
A) Use Google Voice for free texting.
B) Buy a Gizmo5 account for $10 on ebay and set up free VoiP (works on 3G and Wifi), and tie it to your Google Voice number. This gives you unlimited minutes so you can downgrade your plan to the lowest amount.
The entire process takes about 10 minutes to set-up. I did it last week; it's very easy and works extremely well.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8813244&postcount=18​

Anyway: a better alternative that *everyone should do*:
A) Use Google Voice for free texting.
B) Buy a Gizmo5 account for $10 on ebay and set up free VoiP (works on 3G and Wifi), and tie it to your Google Voice number. This gives you unlimited minutes so you can downgrade your plan to the lowest amount.
The entire process takes about 10 minutes to set-up. I did it last week; it's very easy and works extremely well.
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Yea this is what i have setup. I pay $25 a month each for 4 N1s on a family 1500 min even more plus plan (no contract) and $10 web2go data, blocked texting (use only google voice). If you just need a single line you can get a 500 minute plan for $29.99 and add the $10 web2go unlimited web for a total of $39.99 a month and no contract. All you have to do is change APN settings. This plan will expire before november 3, so those interested should jump on it today

sprint to waive ETFs due to contract change

title says it all. the admin fee is going from .99 cents per line to 1.50 per line.
all you have to do is call and (2 options) 1.) cancel and move on to a different company with no early termination fee, or 2.) try getting out of the contract and go month to month so you have more leverage to bargain for a better phone in a few months as you are now out of contract.
this is the notice that should be included in your next bill
SPRINT said:
Administrative Charge Increase &Terms & Conditions Changes for Consumers
Effective 9/9/11, the Administrative Chargewill increase to $1.50 per line for customersthat receive the charge. For details, visitsprint.com/taxesandfees. In addition, theSprint consumer Terms (Ts&Cs) are changing. Please review them carefully at your local Sprint store or sprint.com/termsandconditions
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And per their terms and conditions.....
THIS LINK NO LONGER GOES TO THE OLD TERMS AND CONDITIONS
THIS LINK IS NOW GOES TO THE NEW TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?ECID=vanity:termsandconditions
YOU CAN FIND AN OLDER COPY OF THE CONTRACT BY COPY AND PASTING THE ADDRESS ON ARCHIVE.ORG
if you do want to cancel but want to save your phone number, try going about getting month to month, then porting out your number to a prepaid or gv, then wait 30 days, and port your number back to sprint getting new customer pricing on phones. (perhaps 3vo, sgs2 or photon for 99 bucks.)
For those of you who are considering doing the port out/ port in method you can port your number to Google Voice for free since Sprint and GV are partnered up (Thanks nkdumb24 from slickdeals.net )
personally, i wont be jacking with this. i already have upgrades available on 3 of my 4 lines and i like the prices. just sharing with the community.

austin420 said:
title says it all. the admin fee is going from .99 cents per line to 1.50 per line.
all you have to do is call and (2 options) 1.) cancel and move on to a different company with no early termination fee, or 2.) try getting out of the contract and go month to month so you have more leverage to bargain for a better phone in a few months as you are now out of contract.
personally, i wont be jacking with this. i already have upgrades on 3 of my 4 lines and i like the prices. just sharing with the community.
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cool.. i was going to call and ***** about my loss of my yearly upgrade.. this will give me leverage

If you do leave and then come back "for new customer pricing" as you stated, then it may be safe to assume your loyalty time will start over and you will be in the silver package if you aren't on the phone/data plan(s) that automatically gives you the gold package.
Something to think about for those act before they think kind of people in the world. (For $6.12 of yearly fee adjustments.)
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i get that... but i think i'm still pretty far from the time i'd need to get gold. plus it would be more of a threat i think then anything. let me upgrade or send me to retentions. or maybe i will just move on. might be time to try GSM

nikon120 said:
If you do leave and then come back "for new customer pricing" as you stated, then it may be safe to assume your loyalty time will start over and you will be in the silver package if you aren't on the phone/data plan(s) that automatically gives you the gold package.
Something to think about for those act before they think kind of people in the world. (For $6.12 of yearly fee adjustments.)
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Honestly, how many people are gold because of the 10 year thing? Most are gold due to having a 189.99 family plan. Id say white glove gold members are prolly a percent of 1 percent.
Some people, belive it or not, don't care if sprint throws them a 75 dollar bone every year. They just want reliable cell service. Your not "leaving" due to 6 dollars in fees unless your really sick of sprint.
Use it as leverage to get what you want.
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I get gold
My dad ha been on sprint since I was born
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gtuansdiamm said:
I get gold
My dad ha been on sprint since I was born
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Gold star for your dad then I guess? I'm guessing you get his yearly upgrade then? Cuz its only on one line...
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I'm also a 10+ yr gold member.. Then again, for the bulk of the 10yrs.. i was only paying $15 a month so why bother with anything else? now that i'm payin $80 a month it's a different story. Sprint hasn't pissed me off too badly over the years, but VZW just has 3x better service coverage in my area.. so it's tempting... Now if only VZW didn't have the data cap and an epic-like phone i might be swayed.. good info thanks!

I would simply like to go month to month. I am happy with Sprint, and happy with my Epic, I just want to be able to upgrade in the next 6 months or so if something better comes out (currently under contract until 10/2012)
Has anyone been successful in doing that in the past with something like this?

Would getting the etf waived apply to letter C of the below?
When You Don't Have To Pay An Early Termination Fee
You aren't responsible for paying an Early Termination Fee when terminating Services: (a) provided on a month-to-month basis; (b) consistent with our published trial period return policy; or (c) in response to a materially adverse change we make to the Agreement as described directly below.

austin420 said:
Honestly, how many people are gold because of the 10 year thing? Most are gold due to having a 189.99 family plan. Id say white glove gold members are prolly a percent of 1 percent.
Some people, belive it or not, don't care if sprint throws them a 75 dollar bone every year. They just want reliable cell service. Your not "leaving" due to 6 dollars in fees unless your really sick of sprint.
Use it as leverage to get what you want.
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Personally I'm sick of Sprint but Im stuck with them. I live in an "excellent coverage area" but cant get signal for crap in my house, but in my office it's fine. They wont come check the towers. $10 a month "premium data" charge on top of that is garbage. My gf's Moment gets better data signal at home and she doesnt have the $10 charge. They can take their ETF and Premium Data fees and stick them up their ass

can you please show supporting information on your claim that Sprint will waive the ETF? what I've read on Sprint suggests that although they are increasing the fee, it's still below the $1.99 cap specified in the service agreement. that would mean Sprint doesn't have to waive the ETF at all.

dead78 said:
can you please show supporting information on your claim that Sprint will waive the ETF? what I've read on Sprint suggests that although they are increasing the fee, it's still below the $1.99 cap specified in the service agreement. that would mean Sprint doesn't have to waive the ETF at all.
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I thought this covered it:
Our Right To Change The Agreement & Your Related Rights
We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, or your terms of Service. We will provide you notice of material changes—and may provide you notice of non-material changes—in a manner consistent with this Agreement (see "Providing Notice To Each Other Under The Agreement" section). If a change we make to the Agreement is material and has a material adverse effect on Services under your Term Commitment, you may terminate each line of Service materially affected without incurring an Early Termination Fee only if you: (a) call us within 30 days after the effective date of the change; and (b) specifically advise us that you wish to cancel Services because of a material change to the Agreement that we have made. If you do not cancel Service within 30 days of the change, an Early Termination Fee will apply if you terminate Services before the end of any applicable Term Commitment.

dead78 said:
can you please show supporting information on your claim that Sprint will waive the ETF? what I've read on Sprint suggests that although they are increasing the fee, it's still below the $1.99 cap specified in the service agreement. that would mean Sprint doesn't have to waive the ETF at all.
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can you please show supporting information regarding this supposed 1.99 cap?
i just did a page search on this...
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?ECID=vanity:termsandconditions
and its nowhere to be found.

austin420 said:
can you please show supporting information regarding this supposed 1.99 cap?
i just did a page search on this...
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?ECID=vanity:termsandconditions
and its nowhere to be found.
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They're trying to pull that on me right now, I'm on the phone with them.
I went to www.sprint.com/taxesandfees and it in no way mentions the $1.99 ceiling amount.

Darkshneider said:
I thought this covered it:
Our Right To Change The Agreement & Your Related Rights
We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, or your terms of Service. We will provide you notice of material changes—and may provide you notice of non-material changes—in a manner consistent with this Agreement (see "Providing Notice To Each Other Under The Agreement" section). If a change we make to the Agreement is material and has a material adverse effect on Services under your Term Commitment, you may terminate each line of Service materially affected without incurring an Early Termination Fee only if you: (a) call us within 30 days after the effective date of the change; and (b) specifically advise us that you wish to cancel Services because of a material change to the Agreement that we have made. If you do not cancel Service within 30 days of the change, an Early Termination Fee will apply if you terminate Services before the end of any applicable Term Commitment.
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The most the change could be is $1.50, I don't see an increase of an administrative fee by that little of an amount (51 cents) being considered a materially adverse change. They may just give it to people so they don't have to deal with them (i.e. for customer service reasons) but I'm pretty sure they can worm out of it contractually if they choose.

I guess I will soon be in what you consider the 1% of Sprint customers. I hit 10 years in January 2012.

dead78 said:
The most the change could be is $1.50, I don't see an increase of an administrative fee by that little of an amount (51 cents) being considered a materially adverse change. They may just give it to people so they don't have to deal with them (i.e. for customer service reasons) but I'm pretty sure they can worm out of it contractually if they choose.
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That increase is absolutely considered material.

austin420 said:
Gold star for your dad then I guess? I'm guessing you get his yearly upgrade then? Cuz its only on one line...
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Nope I let him keep the yearly upgrade for him self because he messes up his phone often
I buy my phone on one year contract so that's how I'll buy my within
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App

dead78 said:
The most the change could be is $1.50, I don't see an increase of an administrative fee by that little of an amount (51 cents) being considered a materially adverse change. They may just give it to people so they don't have to deal with them (i.e. for customer service reasons) but I'm pretty sure they can worm out of it contractually if they choose.
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so what your trying to say is you cant find any info on the 1.99 cap you were talking about.
are you new to sprint, or just xda, because this happens about once a year. i was just making the yearly announcement.
here is last years...
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/974336/
and the year before...
http://www.bgr.com/2009/02/06/sprint-etf-free-cancellations-extended-through-march-15/
or here...
http://gizmodo.com/5134918/get-out-of-your-sprint-contract-etf-free-until-the-end-of-the-month
i dont mean to be a ****, i swear, just dont try touting false info;

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