Hi guys,
My SGS4 won't boot anymore. At all.
I can (with difficulty) access my custom recovery menu (TWRP 2.5.1) and the download menu.
But whatever I'm trying to flash using ODIN from download menu, it fails! Whether it's the current ROM, official UK BTU ROM, stock recovery etc... So can't use Odin.
Can't put anything on the device either as I can't boot. When I use the "mount USB" from the TWRP menu, my PC doesn't recognize the phone so I can't put any ZIP on the phone that I could install from TWRP.
This happened when I used Triangle Away to reset the counter from 1 to 0....
I'm afraid my phone is bricked (although it's a temp phone and will be getting mine in 2 days), but I wanted to be sure that I didn't forget to do anything....
ANy ideas how to make this work pls?
thnx
vivelafrance said:
Hi guys,
My SGS4 won't boot anymore. At all.
I can (with difficulty) access my custom recovery menu (TWRP 2.5.1) and the download menu.
But whatever I'm trying to flash using ODIN from download menu, it fails! Whether it's the current ROM, official UK BTU ROM, stock recovery etc... So can't use Odin.
Can't put anything on the device either as I can't boot. When I use the "mount USB" from the TWRP menu, my PC doesn't recognize the phone so I can't put any ZIP on the phone that I could install from TWRP.
This happened when I used Triangle Away to reset the counter from 1 to 0....
I'm afraid my phone is bricked (although it's a temp phone and will be getting mine in 2 days), but I wanted to be sure that I didn't forget to do anything....
ANy ideas how to make this work pls?
thnx
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where odin failed exactly?
did you try changing usb port? kies totally disabled? original usb cable?
thnx for your help.
- Kies is definitely not running, stopped all services and processes
- Using samsung USB cable
- Tried on several USB ports of my PC
- Using Odin 3.4
- this is what I can read in ODIN after it has failed:
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I9505XXUAMDD_I9505VODAMD9_I9505XXUAMDD_HOME.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..
<ID:0/003> File analysis..
<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/003> Initialzation..
<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/003> boot.img
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
<ID:0/003> Removed!!
<ID:0/003> Added!!
Thnx again.
vivelafrance said:
thnx for your help.
- Kies is definitely not running, stopped all services and processes
- Using samsung USB cable
- Tried on several USB ports of my PC
- Using Odin 3.4
- this is what I can read in ODIN after it has failed:
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I9505XXUAMDD_I9505VODAMD9_I9505XXUAMDD_HOME.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..
<ID:0/003> File analysis..
<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/003> Initialzation..
<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/003> boot.img
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
<ID:0/003> Removed!!
<ID:0/003> Added!!
Thnx again.
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one more thing, remove battery for a couple of minutes, then try with odin 1.85
All of these were really good ideas, but I'm afraid none of them work!
Same error message, it seems it can't write on the damn phone. I tried to reflash TWRP, the green bar went further but at the end, same thing, fails.
vivelafrance said:
All of these were really good ideas, but I'm afraid none of them work!
Same error message, it seems it can't write on the damn phone. I tried to reflash TWRP, the green bar went further but at the end, same thing, fails.
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i dont know if flashing pit file along with the firmware will work
yeah that's exactly what I was thinking, after clickingon your "unroot, back to stock" link in your signature...
So can I flash the firmware + Pit at the same time or should I flash pit first and then the ROM?
vivelafrance said:
yeah that's exactly what I was thinking, after clickingon your "unroot, back to stock" link in your signature...
So can I flash the firmware + Pit at the same time or should I flash pit first and then the ROM?
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pit file is flashed with the firmware. choose the right pit for your device! re-partition will be checked automatically when you select the pit file.
still doesn't work unfortunately, don't know what 's happening....
I flashed PIT file alone, it worked fine.
Tried to install anything else, it fails again, all the time...
vivelafrance said:
still doesn't work unfortunately, don't know what 's happening....
I flashed PIT file alone, it worked fine.
Tried to install anything else, it fails again, all the time...
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did you flash firmware with the pit file at same time and didnt work?
almost you did everything.
try to change computer if available.
no I flashed the pit file alone, cause if I flash the pit and PDA at the same time, it doesn't work either:
<ID:0/004> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I9505XXUAME2-PRE-ROOTED-DEODEX-SUPER-SLIM.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/004> Odin v.3 engine (ID:4)..
<ID:0/004> File analysis..
<ID:0/004> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/004> Initialzation..
<ID:0/004> Set PIT file..
<ID:0/004> DO NOT TURN OFF TARGET!!
<ID:0/004> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/004> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/004> boot.img
<ID:0/004> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/004> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<ID:0/004> Added!!
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
<ID:0/004> Removed!!
<ID:0/004> Added!!
ok well, thnx anyway for your help
vivelafrance said:
no I flashed the pit file alone, cause if I flash the pit and PDA at the same time, it doesn't work either:
<ID:0/004> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I9505XXUAME2-PRE-ROOTED-DEODEX-SUPER-SLIM.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/004> Odin v.3 engine (ID:4)..
<ID:0/004> File analysis..
<ID:0/004> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/004> Initialzation..
<ID:0/004> Set PIT file..
<ID:0/004> DO NOT TURN OFF TARGET!!
<ID:0/004> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/004> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/004> boot.img
<ID:0/004> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/004> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<ID:0/004> Added!!
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
<ID:0/004> Removed!!
<ID:0/004> Added!!
ok well, thnx anyway for your help
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If you haw acess t dawnload mod you are nhot bricked pleas go and try other pc
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda premium
First, thanks for the info that if I can access the download mode, then the phone is not bricked, I didn't know that, so thanks.
And yes, you were both right, I plugged my phone into my laptop and it worked! THANK YOU.
So the next question is: What could be the issue on my PC? It's not Kies cause it's not installed, and I already uninstalled and reinstalled the Samsung Drivers....
thnx
this is surely NOT a mobile issue if you can enter into download mode.
i had the exact issue a month ago when i had note2.
if you can't try it on another pc, try :
1) uninstall skies completely
2) unisnstall usb drivers
3) reboot the pc
4) connect your s4 in download mode to your pc.
5) let your pc install freah usb drivers
6) start odin and flash
7) if still you get the same error download a different verison of the official rom and try flashing.
i followed the above procedure couple of times and was finally able to install the rom. the issue is either with the drivers or the rom.
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda app-developers app
bricked for sure
vivelafrance said:
First, thanks for the info that if I can access the download mode, then the phone is not bricked, I didn't know that, so thanks.
And yes, you were both right, I plugged my phone into my laptop and it worked! THANK YOU.
So the next question is: What could be the issue on my PC? It's not Kies cause it's not installed, and I already uninstalled and reinstalled the Samsung Drivers....
thnx
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expirienced exactly same situation with i9300. Able to get to recovery but failed to flash. Tryed everything on PC and on the phone itself. You have to try different odin versions, but in my case it was NAND failure. If you failed to flash PIT your phone is for sure bricked. Sorry.
Got mainboard replacement in my case.
Have you tried putting a rom on the sdcard with an adapter.. And then put it in the phone and flash the zip from recovery?
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app
Bluetoth10 said:
expirienced exactly same situation with i9300. Able to get to recovery but failed to flash. Tryed everything on PC and on the phone itself. You have to try different odin versions, but in my case it was NAND failure. If you failed to flash PIT your phone is for sure bricked. Sorry.
Got mainboard replacement in my case.
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thnx. yeah, flashing the PIT actually always worked but it was the only thing that worked! lol
DenmarkRootN00b said:
Have you tried putting a rom on the sdcard with an adapter.. And then put it in the phone and flash the zip from recovery?
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app
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no but good idea. Actually all the flashing work now, but I still can't boot into the phone! This is madness...
before I couldn't flash anything. Now, I flashed the original BTU ROM, Stock recovery but can't boot into recovery anymore, can't boot into the OS, the only thing that works is the download mode.
Will try to get the phone to a repair thing. I'm gonna try with samsung repair centre first cause the right ROM is installed (original) and the counter is at zero so should be fine with warranty.
vivelafrance said:
no but good idea. Actually all the flashing work now, but I still can't boot into the phone! This is madness...
before I couldn't flash anything. Now, I flashed the original BTU ROM, Stock recovery but can't boot into recovery anymore, can't boot into the OS, the only thing that works is the download mode.
Will try to get the phone to a repair thing. I'm gonna try with samsung repair centre first cause the right ROM is installed (original) and the counter is at zero so should be fine with warranty.
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good luck at least i just thought it would work by doing it in recovery but yeah... warranty is better.. if not.. then keep trying if they wont replace it
ok I FINALLY could access the stock recovery, did a full wipe and everything is back in order now, works perfectly.
THANKS to all!
Hey, guys. I left my G2 to go back to my GS4, and I'm having a bit of trouble. I'm trying to get back to an earlier firmware to gain root and flash custom recovery. Currently on NB1 firmware. TowelRoot does not work.
Anyway, I downloaded the stock ATT Firmware for my phone. UCUAMDL. When I go to Odin, Auto reboot and F reset time is checked. Re-Partition is not checked. Odin sees my phone. I hit PDA or AP and load my firmware file and hit start. Everytime, it fails after Nand write start.
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I337UCUAMDL_I337ATTAMDL_I337UCUAMDL_HOME.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..
<ID:0/003> File analysis..
<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/003> Initialzation..
<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/003> aboot.mbn
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003>
<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1
I have tried v1.85, 3.04, 3.08, and 3.09. I have tried various USB ports on my computer. I have tried 2 different cables. I always run as admin. I have tried running in compatibility mode. Kies is not installed. I have uninstalled and reinstalled drivers.
Any help?
Your phone has a locked boot loader which prevents a full downgrade. If you are on stock NB1, you can adb sideload the NC1 OTA update file. The all things AT&T should have the link.
Sent from my SGH-I337 running GPE using Tapatalk
jmjoyas said:
Your phone has a locked boot loader which prevents a full downgrade. If you are on stock NB1, you can adb sideload the NC1 OTA update file. The all things AT&T should have the link.
Sent from my SGH-I337 running GPE using Tapatalk
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If I sideload NC1, will I be able to install custom recovery and flash custom ROMs? Or will that require the MK2 downgrade to flash custom recovery after root?
N12X93R said:
If I sideload NC1, will I be able to install custom recovery and flash custom ROMs? Or will that require the MK2 downgrade to flash custom recovery after root?
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You will be able to root using towelroot and install touchwiz based custom roms. There is a version of the google play edition that works (there are some known issues though).
The stock recovery cannot be replaced. We have a special recovery (this recovery is available during normal boot itself) called safestrap that can be used to flash the custom roms.
All things AT&T
jmjoyas said:
You will be able to root using towelroot and install touchwiz based custom roms. There is a version of the google play edition that works (there are some known issues though).
The stock recovery cannot be replaced. We have a special recovery (this recovery is available during normal boot itself) called safestrap that can be used to flash the custom roms.
All things AT&T
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Oh, wow. What happened? I guess Samsung stuck it to us one final hard time. Made things so much harder. Thanks for the clarification.
Unfortunately you cant install Safestrap Recovery while on NC1. At least I haven't been able to at all. Really f'n hating this crappy updated phone I got from ATT as a replacement for my broken old on with the good bootloader.
You should be able to, once you set selinux to permissive mode. Towelroot was also updated to do the same.
Sent from my SGH-I337 running GPE using Tapatalk
N12X93R said:
Hey, guys. I left my G2 to go back to my GS4, and I'm having a bit of trouble. I'm trying to get back to an earlier firmware to gain root and flash custom recovery. Currently on NB1 firmware. TowelRoot does not work.
Anyway, I downloaded the stock ATT Firmware for my phone. UCUAMDL. When I go to Odin, Auto reboot and F reset time is checked. Re-Partition is not checked. Odin sees my phone. I hit PDA or AP and load my firmware file and hit start. Everytime, it fails after Nand write start.
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I337UCUAMDL_I337ATTAMDL_I337UCUAMDL_HOME.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..
<ID:0/003> File analysis..
<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/003> Initialzation..
<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/003> aboot.mbn
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003>
<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1
I have tried v1.85, 3.04, 3.08, and 3.09. I have tried various USB ports on my computer. I have tried 2 different cables. I always run as admin. I have tried running in compatibility mode. Kies is not installed. I have uninstalled and reinstalled drivers.
Any help?
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If you are on NB1 you can go back to MK2 to root or update to NC1 to use TowelRoot .
If you want to downgrade to MK2 and root please follow the steps in post 1, 2, 3 at here.
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Hello everybody
I've a great problem with my samsung galaxy s4 (i9505).
Today i buyed a new sdcard for my phone. I thought it would be a good idea to do a real clean up.
So i flashed the samsung stock recovery, stock kernel and the stock rom (from SAMMOBILE) . Worked perfectly.
Afterwards, i flashed the newest cwm recovery (6.0.4.7 touch). Worked again.
Copied my rom (aosb = android open source bam project) to the external sdcard.
I removed the external card and went to the mounts and storage entry.
Now the part, that hardly failed:
I wiped everything (every point under mounts), incl. /firmware and another point with /firmware (I think it was /firmware_dmm or something like this)
At least, i wiped the external sdcard. Because there was no, the recovery crashed (...) and rebooted.
Now i get this error: "Firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recovery mode in Kies & try again".
If i flash something over ODIN (stock recovery, stock rom, custom recovery or custom rom) it ends up in a "FAIL".
Log:
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I9505XXUFND7_I9505YFGFND1_I9505XXUFND7_HOME.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..
<ID:0/003> File analysis..
<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/003> Initialzation..
<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/003> SingleDownload.
<ID:0/003> aboot.mbn
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003> sbl1.mbn
<ID:0/003> __XmitData_Write
<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
<ID:0/003> Removed!!
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KIES doesnt find my device, but i already installed the newest samsung usb driver.
So i can't use the emergeny firmware "reset" of KIES.
If i start the phone normaly, the above error appears. Same, if i boot into recovery.
The only working thing is the downloading mode....
I also removed the battery for 15 minutes. But that changed nothing.
What can i do to "repair" my phone? Is it bricked?`
Thank you for reading
(Cant insert links to roms or images because of low post counter)
1. Reflash the firmware that u installed b4.
2. Flash TWRP or PhilzTouch using ODIN.
Hey guys,
i tried to flash my note 4 using the openrecovery method
but i forgot to flash the kernel and now my phone is stuck in the booting at the Samsung symbol. Can someone please help? i can still get into the download mode
Thank you!!!
If you can access download mode, your phone is not bricked.
Simply download last firmware for your model from sammobile, and flash it with odin...
ok thanks, will do.
But how do I safely root the note 4 5.1.1? CF-Autoroot isnt compatible
Ok, I just finished download a stock rom for my phone (.tar.zip) but when I click start in Odin it always fails for some reason...<ID:0/003> Can't open the serial(COM) port.
Edit: tried a different port now it fails at:
<ID:0/003> sboot.bin
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003> FAIL!
What can I do?
Does upgrading via Kies will result in losing all data?
I'm working on this issue for hours now but I'm stuck
Using Odin it will fail at sboot.bin
And kies doesnt recognize my note 4
Here's the log:
<ID:0/003> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Binary Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/003> Odin engine v(ID:3.1100)..
<ID:0/003> File analysis..
<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/003> Initialzation..
<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/003> SingleDownload.
<ID:0/003> sboot.bin
<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/003> FAIL!
<ID:0/003>
<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
On the phone: SW REV. CHECK FAIL, DEVICE 2, BINARY 1
Nixdax said:
Hey guys,
i tried to flash my note 4 using the openrecovery method
but i forgot to flash the kernel and now my phone is stuck in the booting at the Samsung symbol. Can someone please help? i can still get into the download mode
Thank you!!!
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Restore your backup in recovery
What is your exact model, G or F, what? You download the ROM from sammobile with your exact model no., and then flash.
It's N910H
I resolved it by recovering my phone via Kies though I lost all my data
Then I tried to install Xposed framework and now it's stuck in the bootloop again ...........
Never heard about the H version before! Anyway, make sure you are flashing the correct Xposed, that is Wanam's, but Arter's, and read the installation instructions closely.
Nixdax said:
It's N910H
I resolved it by recovering my phone via Kies though I lost all my data
Then I tried to install Xposed framework and now it's stuck in the bootloop again ...........
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Please, search before flash.
H model is with Exynos processor.
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910H/
Flash custom touchwiz 5.0.1 Rom on sc04e
1 Update the Stock Rom to the lastest lollipop version:SC04EOMUGOI4
2. Make sure the soft-key can work. (if not, please refer to this post to solve the problem)
3. Flash Recovery. (CWM Recovery or Philz Recovery is recommended.)
4. Boot to recovery, Wpie date/factory reset, Wipe cache, advance-wipel dalvik cache.
5. Flash the custom touchwiz rom via cwm recovery, be aware of its version at 5.0.1 i.e Albe95 LolliROM 6.0 DEODEX & ODEX
6. Flash the Kernal for 5.0.1 in cwm recovery.
7. Reboot and Enjoy it.
Download
SC04EOMUGOI4 Link: https://mega.nz/#!hEZ3kQoT!UDugAgYis...6EQPCf9vjrXeZg
Albe95 LolliROM 6.0 DEODEX & ODEX Link:https://mega.nz/#!KoRATJoK!1iXg0-hWG...zxGSb0lmMQ_-RI
Kernal for 5.0.1 Link: https://mega.nz/#!wV5CWTxR!qXbJP2SOk...4nMGA-3_ebJ9OE
Last edited by adagiov; 15th December 2015 at 01:33 PM.
Hello my name is khan i just signed up for my problem
i have installed touchwiz version: from that link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60990591&postcount=2
with above instruction what i did i installed Albe95 LolliROM 6.0 DEODEX & ODEX FIRST
THEN i insalled the kernel
after that everything is working fine i mean camera, mic and so but i can not turn on my wifi
i am facing wifi problem, i have discovered for myself some modems and tried to install them through odin but odin
also failed to install all of those modem with below errors
<ID:0/008> Added!!
<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..
<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..
<OSM> Please wait..
<OSM> I9505XXUHOH2_modem.tar.md5 is valid.
<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..
<OSM> Leave CS..
<ID:0/008> Odin v.3 engine (ID:8)..
<ID:0/008> File analysis..
<ID:0/008> SetupConnection..
<ID:0/008> Initialzation..
<ID:0/008> Get PIT for mapping..
<ID:0/008> Firmware update start..
<ID:0/008> modem.bin
<ID:0/008> NAND Write Start!!
<ID:0/008> Transmission Complete..
<ID:0/008> Now Writing.. Please wait about 2 minutes
<ID:0/008>
<ID:0/008> Receive Response form LOKE
<ID:0/008> Complete(Write) operation failed.
<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
but odin did root my mobile successfully its mean usb drivers and data cable are all fine
i am very beginner.. what i strongly need is that, if someone has appropriate wifi fix file for me which i can install through cwm recovery i would be thankful to that person thanks, i did everything like wipe caches, formating sys just give me new useful ways
thanks for your time..
one thing i want to mention i have tried about 10 to 15 marshmallow roms never get a wifi problem always camera and mic and restarting problem.. then thought to try lollipop if someone installed any marshmallow with same device i have u can also give me a link.. thanks.
before that i was using kitkat and at that time my phone version in settings show i9500 after changing rom it turns into i9505
i am using samsung smartswitch for backup
thanks
can u provide links again please?