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Hi all,
I made this post to enhance your experience with the Z3C. Indeed I thought since a few days that I was going to throw away my phone because of multitasking. This issue is not clear at all and not all people seemed to be touched by this. However I am, definitely.
This is my experience on lollipop: I can’t have 5 apps running at the same time, even if they’re very light. For example if I’m listening to music and using chrome, everytime I switch to another app, it needs to start again. It gets really annoying when I’m using some apps at the same time and I lose lots of time.
My first idea was to switch to another phone (even if I love the Z3C for other qualities like battery life or how compact it is) but this issue seems to touch every phone except HTC’s but I’m not happy with their battery life. My last choice was the iPhone 6 to get a nice user experience.
Then I thought a little and I remembered that in fact my experience was much much better on KitKat.
So I decided to try again kitkat and OMG!!! I couldn’t get back to L, seriously. If you have the same issues as I have, it’s definitely a solution.
So of course you’ll lose some interesting stuff from Lollipop and the interface doesn’t look as nice as on L but it is definitely worth it.
Indeed on Kitkat the battery is at least equal, maybe better.
But all the difference is about performances: you can’t even compare it. When I switched from KK to L I didn’t realize and I got accommodate to it but actually in this way we can feel the difference without any hesitation.
Now I can use at least 8 apps at the same time, everything is snappier and quicker. Really it changes my smartphone life.
So if you’re ready to leave L, join me with KK and you won’t regret. You’ll get a new phone (even it’s kinda absurd) and you’ll never want to change it for another. That’s the phone I have liked.
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
Aside from multitasking Lollipop seems still very beta on xperia to me. Mind u I own the Smartphone for only 3 days, but the amount of times it made me go nuts, not even my evo 3d managed over 3 years. Phone ran really hot and sort of slugish on lp, but waht reall drove me crazy was Bluetooth Audio... It made my whole phone crash after starting to crackle on my soundwaver (bluetooth speaker).... It wouldnt even play over pc... Back to kitkst and all is fine and dandy. I can actually feel i run a newer handset than before (evo 3D). Ill probably switch to CM some timecdown the road, when lp is fully working.
The stock lollipop build is beta version at best. The debloated lollipop build found here on XDA is beyond acceptable, almost good. The stock kitkat build, though, still has the upper hand. I reverted back today to an old backup and there's no match between the debloated lollipop and the stock kitkat. Stock kitkat wins hands down.
For some balance ive no such issues with lollipop albeit i agree there isnt much of an incentive to upgrade from kitkat. I dont use chrome though. Chrome uses a scary lot of memory. (i use firefox)
Cm12 uses less memory than stock sony roms so that leaves more to chrome, which explains that i guess.
My only complaint is few UI elements that are not very material, you know.
I don´t use Chrome too, I use Cm Browser that dont use a lot of Ram too...
The problem is not how much Ram uses the system, the problem is that Stock Sony in 5.0.2 have a Bad Memory Management and still have Memory Leaks (Except the crititcal ones that are already fixed in Sony Stock Lollipop Firm).
In CM 12.1 a loot of those memory leaks are already fixed, so that also explains why Cyanogenmod works a lot better with multitasking and can keep a lot of apps without close.
clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
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Thanks for the apps. I'm happy not to be the only one to have made this step!
iFlasher said:
Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
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CM12.1 alternative is good to know then. If I miss L too much, I guess I'll give a try to CM.
clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
Cheers
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Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
Son Lam said:
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
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Yes, is smoother, but we are talking about the multitasking that is not so good as it have to be...
KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
draligus said:
KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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that was my observation.
KK were amazing for my needs (good battery, smooth).
Lollipop looks just the same.
I always disable animations and whatnot, so I'm kind of an odd user.
to me LLP is good except the quick toggle and sound profile
i need to swipe twice for quick toggle and to swipe twice to close the quick toggle.
using volume button for sound profile annoys me as when i wanna silent my phone while plating music can't be done
multitasking so far is good for me
battery life is the same and in fact idle time is better in LLP
most of the apps improve smoothness in LLP except a few
mimicicu said:
Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.
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Could you elaborate on that
I have tried to like Lollipop, but the annoyances i really have, is the swipe down quick menu, prefer the kitkat one, and i really dislike, the user icon on the Lockscreen status bar, At the moment, i have reverted back to kitkat, but would love to give lollipop more time, but after a day, i alway's revert back.
clouds5 said:
Could you elaborate on that
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You wanted to get rid of the "sparkly unlock animation" of your Z3 Compact, right?
Do you want the classic Android locker instead?
The original Xperia unlock:
http://i.imgur.com/umsERNx.png
Install Xperia Xposed then this:
http://i.imgur.com/VQOD6ay.png
(reboot)
You activate this:
http://i.imgur.com/92fLyDf.png
And you get this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZOOTdTn.png
Hi guys,
I just updated my phone from 4.4.2 to 5.0.2.
Now the problem is that the alarm doesnt make sound when phone is put into soundless mode. Why is this happening?
And is it just me that thinks the design, icons etc of 5.0.2 is horrible? My phone looks like a Samsung now :crying::crying: Is it possible to revert to 4.4.2?
has the alarm problem been fixed yet?
i do not dare to upgrade to 5.0.2. im at 4.4.2
Stay on kitkat. It is much better than lollipoo.
I am also running 4.4.2 and I can't complain, everything works and it performs better than 5.0
zizuka said:
Stay on kitkat. It is much better than lollipoo.
I am also running 4.4.2 and I can't complain, everything works and it performs better than 5.0
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according to videos in youtube. the 5.0.2 is faster.
did you have problems with the alarm in 5.0.2?
In silent mode then alarm wont go off on 5.0 but on kitkat alarm always work.
On kitkat for me: phone doesnt get warm as on 5.0, less lagg, battery lasts longer and i like UI more. People only like 5.0 more because its newer than 4.4. Lame. Newer isnt always better.
zizuka said:
In silent mode then alarm wont go off on 5.0 but on kitkat alarm always work.
On kitkat for me: phone doesnt get warm as on 5.0, less lagg, battery lasts longer and i like UI more. People only like 5.0 more because its newer than 4.4. Lame. Newer isnt always better.
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why dont the alarm go off in 5? its very strange.
yes i like the ui more in 4 but about the battery and speed, its better in 5.
vistascape said:
Now the problem is that the alarm doesnt make sound when phone is put into soundless mode.
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I can't really explain it, but here is how to solve it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-true-silent-mode-lollipop-t3042924
zizuka said:
In silent mode then alarm wont go off on 5.0 but on kitkat alarm always work.
On kitkat for me: phone doesnt get warm as on 5.0, less lagg, battery lasts longer and i like UI more. People only like 5.0 more because its newer than 4.4. Lame. Newer isnt always better.
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IMHO lollipop is much smoother.
The only thing that i miss from stock kitkat is "wireless storage" everything else is similar.
Moreover kitkat has NOT updates since years, it has many security bugs and exploits that may be very dangerous.
Personally i moved from STOCK KK, STOCK LP, CLOUDY LP, CM13, to LINEAGES OS 14.1
Look for how many vulnerabilities (CVE) has been found and fixed
https://www.cvedetails.com/product/19997/Google-Android.html?vendor_id=1224 :good:
Jan Philipp said:
I can't really explain it, but here is how to solve it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-true-silent-mode-lollipop-t3042924
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i really dont dare to upgrade. ill just stay at 4.4.2
Hey, do you guys think we will get android 5.1 or 6 for our note 3 ?
needhelp11 said:
Hey, do you guys think we will get android 5.1 or 6 for our note 3 ?
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im not sure about 5.1 but most probably we'll get it.however as for android M its mostly a no from me :/
I'm not even sure for 5.1, seems that samsung prefer to focus on newest phone and let their old premium flagship behind
I don't think we're inline for M, but we can easily flash a ported Note 5 ROM.
N9005 HLTE, Rom: Audax_L, Kernel: Audax, Recovery: TWRP
Yes but I'm talking about official update
I hope we do get an update because 5.0 is broken for me.
Battery life almost half what kitkat was and I have a Pebble smartwatch that doesn't stay connected because of the bluetooth issues introduced with 5.0
It's broken because you didn't do a clean installation, 5.0 is great, battery life is better than it ever was on Kitkat!
ithehappy said:
It's broken because you didn't do a clean installation, 5.0 is great, battery life is better than it ever was on Kitkat!
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It was never great.
It isn't great because Lollipop isn't great anyway! You troll too much!
I have been doing some reading and i will try a clean install to try and improve battery. Anything worth a shot.
But 5.0 still introduced a bluetooth bug that prevents my pebble smartwatch staying paired - I believe 5.1 fixes this.
Take a look: HERE.
Only the lockscreen pointers are meaningful, others aren't. Battery life is indeed better in Lollipop than KitKat. Samsung has brought back Silent mode, and yes, it is the True Silent Mode, can't believe how and why Google fraked it up! Can't say about Multi tasking, I just need to three or four open apps, and they work more than fine. Can't comment on Apps' compatibility either, I only need a 50 of handful apps that's all. But yes, the Lock screen notifications are fraked up, the Lock screen management was indeed much better in KitKat. But overall that dark crap of KitKat was very tiresome for me. I love how Lollipop looks, how it works, and this is 5.0, so I am sure a fixed version of 5.0, i.e 5.1 will work much better.
5.1.1 probably. 6 sure not
needhelp11 said:
Hey, do you guys think we will get android 5.1 or 6 for our note 3 ?
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Sad, knowing Note 3 still a very good powerful device ( specs is quite good even in 09/2015 - s800 - 3gb ram - full HD)
ithehappy said:
It's broken because you didn't do a clean installation, 5.0 is great, battery life is better than it ever was on Kitkat!
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FYI, your experience may not be everyones experience...
dasPersonna said:
FYI, your experience may not be everyones experience...
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It should be. This is not a magic, Samsung didn't make any special ROM for me, so if it works fine on my device, it should work fine on all the other N9005 units, as simple as that.
ithehappy said:
It should be. This is not a magic, Samsung didn't make any special ROM for me, so if it works fine on my device, it should work fine on all the other N9005 units, as simple as that.
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Not necessarily.
1. Mass production doesn't produce equal products, it produce similar products. All of them within a range of acceptance.
2. You're commenting in a global forum, people don't only own N9005s.
3. With the huge amount of people here, something's gonna fail. It's a matter of statistics.
4. A device that's so likely to fall, get hit or suffer different conditions is gonna react differently.
Anyway, I'm not commenting anymore here because it's completely off-topic.
dasPersonna said:
Not necessarily.
1. Mass production doesn't produce equal products, it produce similar products. All of them within a range of acceptance.
2. You're commenting in a global forum, people don't only own N9005s.
3. With the huge amount of people here, something's gonna fail. It's a matter of statistics.
4. A device that's so likely to fall, get hit or suffer different conditions is gonna react differently.
Anyway, I'm not commenting anymore here because it's completely off-topic.
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Yes, agreed with all the points, but those were self implied. If a person doesn't know whether his/ her phone has taken a good amount of damage or not, then no comments. And I know that there are other versions of Note 3, that's why I specifically mentioned the model number!
I see battery related problems mostly and others with Lollipop ROMs, and I then ask whether it was a clean installation or not, and in 90% scenario, if not more, users say, no they took an OTA update! So there you go.
So looks like the Note 3 wont get another update. For us ATT folks were stuck on 5.0.
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-60-marshmallow-list-samsung-lg-motorola-sony-htc-xiaomi-asus-smartphones-2128354
Nothing new. Samsung and all other android phone makers have horrible records in keeping their phone updated. I can still run IOS 9.1 beta on my ipad2 which is two years old. Next phone will be either Motorola or Nexus.
Looks like it's off to the 6P I go in a couple months.
This does not rule out a pity update to 5.0.2 or 5.1.1 however.
That's okay. I wasn't too happy with Lollipop. I'll stick with Kit Kat.
capricorn1680 said:
That's okay. I wasn't too happy with Lollipop. I'll stick with Kit Kat.
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How much time did you give Lollipop? The fist 3-4 days I hated it, battery life sucked and I was constantly chasing apps that were killing it. Now I absolutely love Lollipop...better battery life than KK, connects to "screen mirroring" and chromecast instantly, stable with fluid swipes, solid connections on BT, slightly better RF and voice on calls. I'll ride this out for a while until I have $$$ for another used phone.
cherokee140 said:
How much time did you give Lollipop? The fist 3-4 days I hated it, battery life sucked and I was constantly chasing apps that were killing it. Now I absolutely love Lollipop...better battery life than KK, connects to "screen mirroring" and chromecast instantly, stable with fluid swipes, solid connections on BT, slightly better RF and voice on calls. I'll ride this out for a while until I have $$$ for another used phone.
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Takes a couple of charging cycles to fully settle in. Quicker if you clean install, & have SQLite/fsTRIM set up properly.
There may be a 5.0.2 port with an OC1 base coming in a little while. Don't give up on LP just yet
ktowngt said:
takes a couple of charging cycles to fully settle in. Quicker if you clean install, & have sqlite/fstrim set up properly.
There may be a 5.0.2 port with an oc1 base coming in a little while. Don't give up on lp just yet
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do you guys have any good news for we note 3 users regarding marshmallow update sooner or later or the sammy boy is going to quit us with lollipop, we want 6.0 we want 6.0 we want 6.0 and off course we want 6.0
It was more of the UI feel and a few things specific that I like about Kit Kat over Lollipop.
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Hello,
since Android M is out for Huawei P8, I am wondering what the difference is between "protected apps" and "ignore battery optimizations".
I know, first is a system from Huawei, and second comes from Google since Android M, but are they working together, or each one for himself?
So, if I want an app to work in background, do I have to activate them at both places?
There are some people who don't get whatsapp messages when phone "sleeps", and still searching for a solution.
Does anyone know how these two things are working?
Best regards
Matthias
Wattsup is working for me properly, is activated in both places: protected apps and ignore battery optimizations
For me whatsapp ist working fine, too.
I am wondering if Android M has some advantage to Android L.
Android L already had "protected apps", and on Android M, I must put my apps in two places.
If google added their own Android Notification Manager (Benachrichtigungsmanager), than there is the problem. That's why has to be activated in both settings.
For me Marshmallow looks like an incomplete firmware. Too many bugs. At least works )
Latest marshmallow EMUI 4 update is much better than Lollipop in any way, faster, less bugs, more stable, much better UI and noticable better battery drain, no reason to stay on EMUI 3.1 what so ever
We are not on Lollipop, problem is on Marshmallow
30adi said:
We are not on Lollipop, problem is on Marshmallow
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my reaction was to that
30adi said:
For me Marshmallow looks like an incomplete firmware. Too many bugs. At least works
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i just wanted to point that the phone now with marshmallow works much better than with lollipop did :good:
I disagree
00471 said:
my reaction was to that
i just wanted to point that the phone now with marshmallow works much better than with lollipop did :good:
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B317 is better than B313, but not better than B200.
B200 is the best stable rom for P8