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With all of the software hacking in progress I was wondering if anyone has plans to upgrade the internal HDD of the Shift.
I presume there are may other Shift users which think that with an internal HDD of only 40GB, of which is even less usable, the potential is limited.
It would be great, but costly, to upgrade to a 64GB SSD but even a "normal" 120GB hdd such as in the OQO E2 would be a great upgrade.
That way we could put music, movies and more on it without kicking the limits of the disk every time. (Windows needs a lot of empty GB's to properly function so don't even think about filling it to the brim with whatever you think of )
Did someone already make the jump?
Or are there any tips/tricks for doing so?
I suppose I could just get a normal laptop hdd of 2.5" (or maybe 1.8") and replace the internal one.
Tr1gg3R said:
With all of the software hacking in progress I was wondering if anyone has plans to upgrade the internal HDD of the Shift.
I presume there are may other Shift users which think that with an internal HDD of only 40GB, of which is even less usable, the potential is limited.
It would be great, but costly, to upgrade to a 64GB SSD but even a "normal" 120GB hdd such as in the OQO E2 would be a great upgrade.
That way we could put music, movies and more on it without kicking the limits of the disk every time. (Windows needs a lot of empty GB's to properly function so don't even think about filling it to the brim with whatever you think of )
Did someone already make the jump?
Or are there any tips/tricks for doing so?
I suppose I could just get a normal laptop hdd of 2.5" (or maybe 1.8") and replace the internal one.
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I thought it was an 1.8" and yes, i THINK you can replace it.
I don't know the exact size of it and if it fits.
I just checked with my Shift and the disk that is factory installed is a: Toshiba MK4009GAL
The Toshiba MK4009GAL is a 1.8" HDD witjh an ATA100 interface.
Specifications:
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MK4009GAL
Features
Part number HDD1682
Formatted capacity 40,000 MByte
Form factor 1.8 inch
# Interface type 1.8'' ATA (LIF)
# Supported interface standards ATA-3
# ATA-4
# ATA-5
# ATA-6
# Head/actuator technology "Ramp-Load" Technology
# GMR read head
# PMR write head
Shock detection Shock sensor circuit
S.M.A.R.T. The SMART command set is supported.
More details
I think it'll go hunting for a new 1.8" ATA100 HDD.
That is, as soon as I find a way to open the case without voiding my warranty
For the UK ppl here
http://computers.pricegrabber.co.uk/hard-drives/m/44560298/
Toshiba MK1011GAH - Hard drive - 100 GB - internal - 1.8'' - ATA-100 - 4200 rpm - buffer: 8 MB
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I saw you are Dutch too, look at this site:
http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=7&cat2=222&cat3=0&tgid=130&treeName=HARDWARE&Level1=Harddisks&Level2=IDE&Level3=1%2C8+inch&
Tr1gg3R said:
I just checked with my Shift and the disk that is factory installed is a: Toshiba MK4009GAL
The Toshiba MK4009GAL is a 1.8" HDD witjh an ATA100 interface.
Specifications:
Code:
MK4009GAL
Features
Part number HDD1682
Formatted capacity 40,000 MByte
Form factor 1.8 inch
# Interface type 1.8'' ATA (LIF)
# Supported interface standards ATA-3
# ATA-4
# ATA-5
# ATA-6
# Head/actuator technology "Ramp-Load" Technology
# GMR read head
# PMR write head
Shock detection Shock sensor circuit
S.M.A.R.T. The SMART command set is supported.
More details
I think it'll go hunting for a new 1.8" ATA100 HDD.
That is, as soon as I find a way to open the case without voiding my warranty
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Oh sweet, a 100GB 1.8Inch ATA100 disk.
The price is quite acceptable too, however it would be nice to find a 120GB model
Now I just need to break open my Shift......
Edit: Centralpoint.nl seems to be selling the Toshiba MK1011GAH too. (135Euro)
That is good to know
though €180,- is not cheap...
What about SDD?
Pfeffa-rah said:
That is good to know
though €180,- is not cheap...
What about SDD?
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That's more expensive for less space
Guess we'll have to wait untill it becomes cheaper
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Or we could use 64GB SD card
well i would look at the specifications of those disks ( one is GAL connector and the other is GAH connector)
and also the hight of the drive is diffrent so might not even if you figure out the connector isue it might not fit
Have you conssidered a Western Digital Passport usb powered slim sleek and up to 250GB i have one for use with my asus eee and i love it..
By the way check out
http://forum.eeeuser.com/
they have released a lot of great software for there 7" device that would be great for the shift like a hot key command thing for moving dialouge boxes that dont fit on the screen see below and also a resoloution hack to upscale it to 1280*1024 despite native resoloution only being 800*400 (this is driver based but a similar driver may be used for the shift) would be worth looking into and maybe sharing on here.. By the way i did not create this programe but have used on my eee i dont have a shift but as it runs vista it should work fine this is the thing for moving dialougue boxes enjoy..
But how safe is it to take the proper screwdriver and open the Shift?
Will it be as simple like removing the bottom plate, removing the disk, inserting a new one and putting back the bottom plate?
Have anyone actually seen disassemble instructions/pictures or whatsoever?
JayRayMee.NL said:
But how safe is it to take the proper screwdriver and open the Shift?
Will it be as simple like removing the bottom plate, removing the disk, inserting a new one and putting back the bottom plate?
Have anyone actually seen disassemble instructions/pictures or whatsoever?
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Just do a search on this forum and you will find some pictures of the unit disassembled. There you can see how much effort it takes....
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
naked shift.
pitt1983 said:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
naked shift.
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nice pics. u can see the hd real good.
Pawel062 said:
nice pics. u can see the hd real good.
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i think that this guy is a very crazy guy! unmount like that the shift. but in the pics you can see hdd, ram. how strange is hardware in that shift.
i think that the priority is to upgrade the ram. 1 only gb is very poor.. also hdd is little but the ram...
news about the production of 2gb ram?
Open Htc Shift
Hello.
Someone can help me and to indicate myself since I can extract the keyboard of the htc shift.
I want to change the hard disk and there is a central screw to which I do not have access.
Thank you very much.
fgarciav said:
Hello.
Someone can help me and to indicate myself since I can extract the keyboard of the htc shift.
I want to change the hard disk and there is a central screw to which I do not have access.
Thank you very much.
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ehm you are disassembling the shift?
In order to reach two screws, it seems that you need to remove the two rubber feet covering them. How well will that go without damaging stuff and more important: will you be able to put them back on in a way that they will stay there?
Tr1gg3R said:
Edit: Centralpoint.nl seems to be selling the Toshiba MK1011GAH too. (135Euro)
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This one is 8mm in height.
The original disk in the Shift is 5mm.
Now the question is: will this 0.3mm difference matter or will it just not fit?
If anyone is interested in the translation of that website, let me know.
The difference between 5 and 8 mm is 3 mm, not 0,3 mm. And inside the Shift 3 mm difference is a lot!! I'm affraid this will definitely not fit...
I would like to open the device, because I wanna try to replace the SSD with a bigger one or with a HDD, maybe 500GB.
Any Idea how to open the case?
Well, the external max is 32G, so I'd guess the internal max is also 32G.
The tablet won't give enought power to run a HDD, it might run sn ssd, but there's no room for one.
ArtaxXP said:
I would like to open the device, because I wanna try to replace the SSD with a bigger one or with a HDD, maybe 500GB.
Any Idea how to open the case?
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There is a video on youtube about how you remove the back piece of the A500.
Sorry I dont have the link.
Please let me know if you are successfull!
ArtaxXP said:
I would like to open the device, because I wanna try to replace the SSD with a bigger one or with a HDD, maybe 500GB.
Any Idea how to open the case?
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Not user upgradeable, more than likely the 32gb or 16gb of NAND is soldered onto the board. I have not seen a tear down of the A500 but all the other tablets I have seen have soldered chips. So it is not a SSD but soldered down flash chips. I had the Viewsonic Gtab which has 16gb of NAND and someone soldered 16gb more on one of them and that worked.
Ok, first of all the link to the video how to open the case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvbWo_p3KI
Thx to sanaell !
and tadaa...I did it...not that perfect as I expected, because 2 of the 10 plastic clambs broke (not that bad, but be careful!)...but i got it open...and...like nrage23 said, it's a soldered down flash chip. but I forgot to check if its a normal ddr3 notebook ram. if so, it should be possible to replace it with a 4gb chip...anyone who wants to open the device again and ckeck that? =D
ArtaxXP said:
Ok, first of all the link to the video how to open the case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvbWo_p3KI
Thx to sanaell !
and tadaa...I did it...not that perfect as I expected, because 2 of the 10 plastic clambs broke (not that bad, but be careful!)...but i got it open...and...like nrage23 said, it's a soldered down flash chip. but I forgot to check if its a normal ddr3 notebook ram. if so, it should be possible to replace it with a 4gb chip...anyone who wants to open the device again and ckeck that? =D
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I don't think tegra or honeycomb would support that much ram, though it would be awesome!
Well at least 2 GiG ram would awesome!
Maybe the OS wouldn't even read the 2 gig and a chip other than the original would cause too much power drain.
This tablet does have an internal PCIe slot but the connector isn't soldered. If you have the guts, you could add an extra pcie SSD, again, at battery life cost.
I know it's been several months since the last post. Has anyone seen any progress with adding an ssd or anything else to the pcie in these tablets?
Fluffbutt said:
Well, the external max is 32G, so I'd guess the internal max is also 32G.
The tablet won't give enought power to run a HDD, it might run sn ssd, but there's no room for one.
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Lol wut?
I'm running am external 500gb hdd and I have a 64gb microsd inside. It works perfectly.
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skatin707 said:
Lol wut?
I'm running am external 500gb hdd and I have a 64gb microsd inside. It works perfectly.
Sent from my SGH-I777 using xda premium
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They weren't talking about an external USB hdd....
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
wolverine423 said:
They weren't talking about an external USB hdd....
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
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I know that. I was commenting on the fact that he said it couldn't power an HDD (he didn't specify internal or external, and obviously we can't fit an HDD internally). Not only that, he said external max was 32gb.
Most of the storage components in devices like phones and tablets are soldered right onto the motherboard. If you grab an external 500GB HDD like many of the users here, you can have almost infinite storage. Can't do much for memory unless you set up swap.
Athrun88 said:
Most of the storage components in devices like phones and tablets are soldered right onto the motherboard. If you grab an external 500GB HDD like many of the users here, you can have almost infinite storage. Can't do much for memory unless you set up swap.
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Yup, and external HDDs are cheaper than micro SD cards by a long shot. Added bulk, sure, but the cost is worth it.
It would be cool to get a good sized SSD in there though, kind of like that acer dual screen tablet/computer.
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-ICONIA-6120-14-inch-Tablet/dp/B004P0WLEY
Soldering a working PCI-E on A500 would be a terribly useful project, but to do that we'd need proper schematics. Someone with an A501 should be able to photograph the motherboard, but it would have to be on both sides of it, ie. it would require removing the whole board -- not something people usually wish to do to a working tablet. Also the photos would have to be clear enough for us to see all the small details, including the small text on capacitors. Then just compare that to the A500 to see all the differences and draw up schematics from that.
The hard part is the soldering itself though, too much heat and you burn the parts, too little heat and you clump the tin and so on.
As for replacing the NAND and/or mDDR3: there is no technical reason why it couldn't be done. Just make sure the power draw and voltage is the same, and for the mDDR3 the speeds, too. The problem is again soldering (industry uses soldering bots for this, the parts are very easy to burn), and in the case of a new NAND you'd have to duplicate the contents of the old one and adjust the partitions accordingly.
As for the truth: if you do not have several years worth of soldering experience do not bother. I don't want to see people here on forums crying about how their tablets are ruined because they failed with soldering.
your thought is greet!waiting someone makes this happen!
Sent from my A500 using XDA
I've got links for detailed pics and video of dissasemly but cannot post them yet... pm me if you want them....
here's the service manual.
http://db.tt/Uu08rvHe
Somairotevoli said:
here's the service manual.
http://db.tt/Uu08rvHe
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Useful in general, yes, but does not help here: it does not have component diagrams.
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pumpastic said:
I've got links for detailed pics and video of dissasemly but cannot post them yet... pm me if you want them....
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Plain disassembly isn't enough, the pics would have to be sharp and detailed enough to see every small-scale detail. Video is not useful for that at all. Sorry.
Other than the obvious problems with soldering, it should be possible to use up to 4gib of physical RAM (ARMv7 is 32bit) and a lot of HDD space (2^32 adresses times 4kib clusters, say)... would be cool if we could make it work, but then again... even with lots of experience in soldering etc. you'd probably break more than a few devices before eventually having a working one. If you had access to soldering robots you'd probably have other ways to go anyway... As for HDD/SDD, you can just use an external one or use a NAS (network storage)... That's a lot easier and safer.
I looking to buy tablet that the main use of it will be watching movies (not online watching). At a max of 200$ ordering online.
After about a week of searching I got to 3 tablets that I not sure with one will be best for me.
Pipo W3f
Chuwi V10HD
Onda v102w
I need that the tablet will run 720p, 1080p movies smoothly and good screen.
That it will support as much memory as possible (v102w stands to support 128gb SD card).
Good battery and charge via USB to USB cable like smartphone (to charge the tablet from the car)
Will be able to support if possible external drive of 250-500GB or disk-on-key and read movies directly from the drive. It's what OTG therefor if I not mistake.
And that the tablet will be well build because most of the use will be done outdoors or in a car.
If you think there is a tablet that better or cheaper that will get me my needs you welcome to recommend.
Thank you.
Hi all, so I've purchased the Nvidia Shield Pro (500GB) model the other day and noticed the device made some slight disk spinning noise, only to realize that this console comes with an HDD rather than flash memory. I also noticed that even thought this device is still running lollipop, I'm still able to utilize any one of the external ports as the default memory.
This question is mainly for those of you who had the opportunity to try both models. I'm not a fan of HDDs much, but the voluminous internal storage is convenient in a way, although I could easily do without it, if the 16gb is the more stable model. From my experience NAND flash based devices seem to run fast, but are they noticeably faster than their hybrid HDD counterparts? Is there any difference in speed and performance between the 16gb and the 500gb Shield TV devices? I'm asking because I noticed the Shield controller's home and back buttons don't always respond, and my device is running build v2.1 which supposedly fixed any known controller bugs. I'm tempted to return the 500gb and grab a 16gb just for the sole fact that the Pro model runs on dated hard disk technology, not to mention the faulty HDD units in some of these models. Let's hear some opinions on this, I've not found any comparison on these from a performance perspective. Every comparison I found so far brags about how advantageous 500gb is over 16gb, but no one seems to compare their performance side by side. So if you've tried out both variants, do you find the standard 16gb edition to process data quicker than the Pro model, and are you experiencing any unresponsiveness with the back and home buttons on shield's controller?
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Just ordered a 16gb Shield TV Console from GameStop. Since no one's chiming in on the topic, I'll have both versions in a few days and will post my findings after testing them side by side.
I did a little research and from what I understand the only real difference between them is the internal storage. Performance speeds are the same and it support external hard drives and SD cards. I know music, pictures, games, ect. can be stored on the SD card but can apps be stored to or is a root required. Either way I plan on getting the 16GB version and using this 128GB SD I have and rooting it and seeing how it goes. If it's what I think it's like, then this may be one of the greatest things to run the Android OS.
Hello some news ?
To me I went for 16gb version as it would be flash memory so much quicker and no mechanical drives which equal less heat and less fan spooling.
Also the fact that they recalled the 500gb version and we're withdrawn from nvidia site.
Let us know your findings.
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I did a little research and from what I understand the only real difference between them is the internal storage. Performance speeds are the same and it support external hard drives and SD cards. I know music, pictures, games, ect. can be stored on the SD card but can apps be stored to or is a root required. Either way I plan on getting the 16GB version and using this 128GB SD I have and rooting it and seeing how it goes. If it's what I think it's like, then this may be one of the greatest things to run the Android OS.
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Apps can be stored on the SD card without root access. Keep in mind that the developer of the app must allow for this so there a few apps out there that will only install on internal storage, though I have yet to come across one.
Hey everyone, sorry it took me a month to post back, now that I've owned a 500gb for two weeks and a 16gb for a month, I've noticed a few slight differences. The 500gb was a tiny bit noisier as it utilizes an HDD alongside a nandflash for its internal storage. The HDD disk spins even while the device is in sleep mode, which is normal behavior with HDDs from what I gather. I'm just not a fan of having more moving parts in a device than necessary. Also, software updates and initial installation takes much longer on the 500gb model, probably due to slower write speeds on HDD. WiFi disconnecting bug after waking up from sleep mode on lollipop 5.1.1 seemed more persistent on the 500gb model as well. The only other difference I noticed was with fluidity, the 16gb doesn't seem to have much hiccups/stutters, where as on the 500gb (maybe mine was one of the defective units) it wouldn't respond right away after returning to home screen or in some apps the back and home buttons wouldn't register on first press more often then not (dolphin emulator being one of them). Once I set up the 16gb model, I haven't experienced any such issues, the back and home functions work every time in any app perfectly fine.
From what I can tell, the 500gb model was somewhat of a last minute decision as it feels less refined than the 16gb model. It's also not as great for modding as there seems to be less dev support for it. 500gb model may be a good choice for someone not looking to tweak this device, but rather for simple plug and play without much thinking involved. For all the mods and tweaks, custom ROMs, the 16gb seems to be the more popular choice. It's also the more refined and tested variant in my opinion.
Syndrome666 said:
Hey everyone, sorry it took me a month to post back, now that I've owned a 500gb for two weeks and a 16gb for a month, I've noticed a few slight differences. The 500gb was a tiny bit noisier as it utilizes an HDD alongside a nandflash for its internal storage. The HDD disk spins even while the device is in sleep mode, which is normal behavior with HDDs from what I gather. I'm just not a fan of having more moving parts in a device than necessary. Also, software updates and initial installation takes much longer on the 500gb model, probably due to slower write speeds on HDD. WiFi disconnecting bug after waking up from sleep mode on lollipop 5.1.1 seemed more persistent on the 500gb model as well. The only other difference I noticed was with fluidity, the 16gb doesn't seem to have much hiccups/stutters, where as on the 500gb (maybe mine was one of the defective units) it wouldn't respond right away after returning to home screen or in some apps the back and home buttons wouldn't register on first press more often then not (dolphin emulator being one of them). Once I set up the 16gb model, I haven't experienced any such issues, the back and home functions work every time in any app perfectly fine.
From what I can tell, the 500gb model was somewhat of a last minute decision as it feels less refined than the 16gb model. It's also not as great for modding as there seems to be less dev support for it. 500gb model may be a good choice for someone not looking to tweak this device, but rather for simple plug and play without much thinking involved. For all the mods and tweaks, custom ROMs, the 16gb seems to be the more popular choice. It's also the more refined and tested variant in my opinion.
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Yeah I am kinda thinking I would've been better off grabbing the 16 gig model and adding a 128GB sd card. Does anyone know what kind of HD they use on it?
I bought both - one for general living room tv use (16gb) and the 500gb for myself to put in my man cave and play games on. I couldn't wait to set the 500gb up for myself as I had already got the living room one working and I was absolutely gob smacked at what it could do - however - upon setting it up and filling it full of emulation stuff, I found it to be really disappointing. HOWEVER, upon further investigation, I discovered that if you have an external HD attatched to it - in my case a USB 3 2tb one - it dragged like hell, probably due to the fact that the HD is full of emulation artwork etc. Unplugging it seemed to solve the problem and now i'm back up to full speed (more or less) again.
Anyone else think its strange that Nvidia chose to go with completely different designs for both types? Surely it would have been easier, and more cost effective, to just leave the hdd port unoccupied on the 16gb version, so a hdd/ssd could be added at a later date. And £70 just for a 500gb hybrid drive? It certainly seems a bit on the steep side.
I would like to know how much of a difference a SSD would bring to the Pro version compared to the SSHD it has inside, if it's worth it when using it for Plex only
The SATV and the SATV Pro boards are the same with the Pro version having connectors added for the SSHD. The SSHD can be replaced with an SSD, but in my experiences I do not recommend the swap. The SSHD draws .74ma and a 500GB Samsung evo SSD draws 1.5A. I noticed strange behavior of the USB ports (perhaps from current starvation). I guess if one wanted to dive into the power circuit to see if the balance of the components would handle replacing the voltage regulator with a high output current replacement, then with a beefer regulator I would be on board with the ssd swap.
If you are after what the box is meant for the buy a SATV. If you are after dev, then buy a SATV PRO.
The SSHD can be added to the SATV buy soldering on a SATA connector and modifying the device tree....
From what I've read, the Pro model just isn't worth it. Everything runs off the hard drive, including the system ROM, so it is definitely slower. For the $100 difference you could buy a 2 TB external HDD instead and still keep your apps on the internal flash.
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From what I've read, the Pro model just isn't worth it. Everything runs off the hard drive, including the system ROM, so it is definitely slower. For the $100 difference you could buy a 2 TB external HDD instead and still keep your apps on the internal flash.
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With Plex Server, is the 16GB version still worth it? I indirectly heard that the Plex Server quickly fills up the 16GB data of onboard memory, and cannot be used on an external USB 3.0 drive. Is this correct?
Can we also plug in a USB 3.0 SSD drive to the Shield, and have the system ROM and all apps run from the USB 3.0 SSD drive, leaving the 16GB onboard memory empty? If the answer is yes, then it's a nobrainer to use a regular Shield rather than a Shield Pro.
I can't answer the first question (I run Plex on a PC, not the Shield) but for the second: there is a method but it's a little tricky. I'm using it now with an old SSD.
http://www.videomap.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1580&start=410#p3628
Be sure to format the SSD on your PC and not the Shield or it won't work.
hey guys i have got my acer nitro i5 2021 model with intel i5 11gen gtx 1650 and 8gb ram and i relized 512gb storage is not enough and i found my old dead acer notebook from years ago and it a 1tb hard drive in it i took the drive out of it but the hdd has windows 10 os on it and is it good idea to put a hard drive with a os on it in my laptop or should i get a hdd tool and format the hdd and with the ram if i upgrade my ram do i need to reset the pc to get the ram working???
Before u do that check the old HDD health first (u can use HD sentinel), if HDD health below 80% then better to leave it alone. And about the OS, formatting HDD is the best option in my opinion.