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So G2 will have 1300 mAH battery, which is a bit of dissappointment since most of us will not have the chance to stay plugged IN.
What I'm surprised to see is that the DESIRE HD, ---- G2's big brother has only 1230 mAh battery...
Is it because qualcomm's new chipsets are more efficient?
Or
Since the G2 is underclocked to 800 Mhz, thus that allows HTC to provide a smaller battery to compensate for the underclocked CPU?
If anybody can provide information with the new MSM7x30 chipset power consumption, that will be great!
Well, my G1 only has an 1100mAH battery and it lasts me all day without issue. I charge it every night and it has no problem lasting through the day. So I'm not worried at all about the G2.
It should be fine IMO. I'm sure after all the backlash about the battery life on the G1 (which honestly I've never complained about), they'll make sure that it's not an issue again. Despite the processor being considerably more powerful, it's also a newer generation using a smaller die size.
- newer generation, smaller, more efficient processor
- 1300mAh vs 1100mAh
- SLCD vs LCD
I wouldn't worry.
I know manufacturer specs aren't always accurate, but the G1 (GSM) is only rated at 402 minutes talk time, while the G2 (GSM) is rated at 590 minutes talk time.
Assuming they got those numbers using the same methods, you can expect almost 50% more battery life.
I'm not worried at all.
Jorsher said:
It should be fine IMO. I'm sure after all the backlash about the battery life on the G1 (which honestly I've never complained about), they'll make sure that it's not an issue again. Despite the processor being considerably more powerful, it's also a newer generation using a smaller die size.
- newer generation, smaller, more efficient processor
- 1300mAh vs 1100mAh
- SLCD vs LCD
I wouldn't worry.
I know manufacturer specs aren't always accurate, but the G1 (GSM) is only rated at 402 minutes talk time, while the G2 (GSM) is rated at 590 minutes talk time.
Assuming they got those numbers using the same methods, you can expect almost 50% more battery life.
I'm not worried at all.
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50%.... I highly doubt that... because the faster data speeds you are transferring (ie. 3G, HSPA+) the more transmission power is required as how I see it, thus it hogs more battery power like that.
the HTC EVO 4G has a 1500 mAH battery which i think is sufficient for that device since it boasts a bigger screen, more importantly that its operating at 4G speeds.
(even though its not even close to "4G" speeds)
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50%.... I highly doubt that... because the faster data speeds you are transferring (ie. 3G, HSPA+) the more transmission power is required as how I see it, thus it hogs more battery power like that.
the HTC EVO 4G has a 1500 mAH battery which i think is sufficient for that device since it boasts a bigger screen, more importantly that its operating at 4G speeds.
(even though its not even close to "4G" speeds)
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Well, first of all not everyone is in a 4G area (including myself). Second, it possibly will allow you to only use 3g or 2g, similar to how you're able to disable 3g connections now. Lastly, you're comparing apples to oranges -- in similar situations you should be able to expect an almost 50% increase. At least, judging by the battery life specs posted on their site. I know battery life spec accuracy varies manufacturer-to-manufacturer, but these should be relatively accurate since they're estimated in the same method by the same manufacturer.
Obviously, it will vary based on what you're doing, what services you have running, how often you update data, how bright your screen is, the temperature, blah blah blah, but either way, in similar situations, the G2 should have more battery life. I'd be more than happy to compare my G1 with a new battery to the G2 with a new battery once I get it.
more efficient proccesor. but i kind of plan to run it a stock speeds of 1Ghz but wonder if its going to kill the battery
I run my Sprint Hero 182MHz over rated spec and I get more life out of it with 2.2 than I ever did with 1.6/2.1 at regular speed.
I highly doubt overclocking it 200Mhz will kill the battery. I would say if anything the slower stock speed has to do with heat dissipation due to the extra space taken up by the keyboard/hinging mechanisms.
Kill the battery? No.
Use battery faster? Of course.
1ghz is one of the "approved" speeds. Clocking to that speed won't be too detrimental to battery life. I think T-Mob/HTC is just taking a safe approach and trying their best to make sure people are satisfied with the battery life. Especially since 800mhz is "fast enough."
The more you overclock, the more inefficient the processor will become. For example, my PC processor is rated at 125w. When overclocked 50% (from 2.4ghz to 3.2ghz), it uses almost 80% more power...
EVO battery life v. G2
The big difference between the EVO and the G2 with regard to battery life is that the EVO is running 3 separate networks and antennas for those networks (1xRTT for voice, EVDO and WiMax for data) that is the largest drain on the battery life.
In comparison the G2 will only be connecting to 1 GPRS/EDGE/3G (UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+)Also while I am sure that there will be some additional power draw by the faster HSPA+ connection, I have not noticed any difference in battery use by since HSPA+ went live in my area. My average download speeds went from averaging 600-800 Kbps on UMTS to 4,000 -5,000 Kbps on average, using a Mytouch Slide. I don't expect a large difference in battery usage from the update to HSPA+ but I'll update once I get my G2.
Also one point on overclocking, generally overclocking means clocking a chip faster than its specification. Clocking the CPU in the G2 to 1Ghz is still within the processor's specifications, so it should be more stable than most overclocks. I'm sure that someone who has more experience with overclocking than I do will correct my assumption about this if it is wrong.
I'm a bit worried about battery life too. Does anyone know if the 1300mAh battery it will use is currently used in any other htc phones? It would be nice to be able to pick up a few spares off ebay before i buy the phone.
Battery life comparison of common phones:
HTC Evo: 1500 mAh
Nexus One: 1500 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh
G1: 1150 mAh
G2: 1300 mAh
while the G2 is on the lower end of the spectrum the slcd and more efficient processor should make up for it. though that might all change when we try to OC it.
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Battery life comparison of common phones:
HTC Evo: 1500 mAh
Nexus One: 1500 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh
G1: 1150 mAh
G2: 1300 mAh
while the G2 is on the lower end of the spectrum the slcd and more efficient processor should make up for it. though that might all change when we try to OC it.
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HTC Evo: 1500 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
Nexus One: 1500 mAh 65nm processor
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh TouchWiz
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh Irrelevant
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh MotoBlur
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
G1: 1150 mAh First Gen... LOL
G2: 1300 mAh 800MHz + 45nm
We should be fine
AndroidZ28 said:
HTC Evo: 1500 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
Nexus One: 1500 mAh 65nm processor
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh TouchWiz
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh Irrelevant
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh MotoBlur
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
G1: 1150 mAh First Gen... LOL
G2: 1300 mAh 800MHz + 45nm
We should be fine
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read somewhere that CDMA was power efficient then GSM...
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read somewhere that CDMA was power efficient then GSM...
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really? I've read the opposite
Power consumption is less in GSM handsets as compared to CDMA handsets.
I don't know if this is reliable or not but...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Difference-Between-CDMA-and-GSM&id=3866964
After a bit of googling I found that the G2 should use the same battery as the HTC wildfire. A extra 1500mAh battery will set you back a entire $5 on ebay, hope this helps!
I can assure everyone as an elec engineer, nothing kills the bettery more than data transmission. Yes, it even kills more battery than leaving the screen on w/ backlight.
The thing is that with high speed data whether it be (3G, 4G, HSPA+) requires more transmission power because the CPU and radio or encoding/decoding BIGGER data packets compared to EDGE/2G. When CPU and Radio are both working at the same time with processing wireless data it takes more power because inner chip data transfer is taking place between RADIO <> CPU <> RAM. Thus reducing the battery.
At the end of the day, everyone's consumption is different based on WHEN and HOW they use their phone.
I guess we will have to wait and see.
P.S. I miss my NOKIA E61i, 6460, N71..... those phones used to last atleast 4 days without needing to be recharged.
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Also one point on overclocking, generally overclocking means clocking a chip faster than its specification. Clocking the CPU in the G2 to 1Ghz is still within the processor's specifications, so it should be more stable than most overclocks. I'm sure that someone who has more experience with overclocking than I do will correct my assumption about this if it is wrong.
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Yes your correct overclocking is running a chip above what it is made for. When you do that you start to get problems.
But if anyone remembers the g1 comes with a 528 cpu but was underclock to around 380something during android 1.0
I just hope aftermarket batteries hit the shelves like for the g1. I've got a 2800 mah battery on my g1. yeah it has to have a custom battery cover making it a bit thicker but the extra battery life is well worth it.
after the 4.4 upgrade I noticed that my WiFi was significantly (%90) slower
Before kitkat wifi speed was 35 to 40 Mbps max,,After the kitkat wifi speed is 3/5 mbps almost %90 down I try everything reseting the phone,resetting the fibre optic modem nothing works
But i try Ookla speed test on galaxy express 2 connected the same network and speed was 38 mbps
Is this right ?
I can't find definitive specs on the wifi capabilities of this phone. Specifically which speeds each band supports on each standard (N, AC).
My netgear r7000 is capable of up to 600mbps on the 2.4Ghz band and 1.3 mbps on the 5 ghz.
I have a 155 mbps internet pipe which is over provisioned to somewhere around 175 mbps. I can generally saturate this easily on the 5ghz band during offpeak hours. But usually get somewhere around 80-90 mbps on the 2.4ghz band.
From the router wireless status, the 5Ghz band syncs at 866mbps (900mbps), but max I see on the 2.4Ghz is 144mbps. This explains the speed bottleneck. What it doesn't explain is why the 2.4ghz side is syncing at such a low rate. Signal strength shouldn't be an issue as the router and phone are less than 10 feet apart.
Thoughts?
I think I just found my answer.
Bottom of page 6, remark 1 - https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2664811
1. 802.11 40 MHz bandwidth is not supported in 2.4GHz WLAN.
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Lack of a 40 mhz bw at the 2.4 mhz band is why it tops out at 144mbps (N150) instead of 300 (N300). I'd speculate the reason might be because some of the supported radio bands are very close by (1900, 2100, 2500, 2600 mhz).
This puts one mystery to rest
Good in depth explanation on the topic:
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-features/31743-bye-bye-40-mhz-mode-in-24-ghz-part-1
I have a GitHub Pages website where I can store my journey of trying to find better battery life.
What I'd like to ask you guys, is what thinks you think I could try to boost battery life.
At the moment I'm looking at CPU restriction with EX Kernel Manager - I've got good results from disabling two of the "big" cluster's cores, for example.
If you lose a lot of battery due to poor signal, definitely check out the "Automatic 2G/4G switching based on Wi-Fi connectivity (ROOT REQUIRED)" part of my site!
2G only, always...
venhow said:
2G only, always...
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Why did you not buy old Nokia 3310 to use 2G only?
You really don't need a new "smart-phone" to making calls only and sending simple text messages....
pentaxon said:
Why did you not buy old Nokia 3310 to use 2G only?
You really don't need a new "smart-phone" to making calls only and sending simple text messages....
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Agreed - to put it simply: if you aren't on wifi and need mobile data to have a lot of smartphone functionality, then using 3G or 4G is just what you have to do.
However, if you're on wifi, maybe you'd get better signal and less battery drain on 2G. Asides from VoLTE, I don't see a problem with my 2G/4G switching.
I was using kernel adiutor, but as i saw your post, just bought exkm and saw that it have some things that KA doesn't have.
I got my rn4 2 days ago, flashed xiaomi-eu and ultimate performance mod.
using all cores, min652-1036max cpu, as i did not saw/feel lag and stuttering while browsing through social media, chatting and playing some games. Got 1d16h19min and 13h8min SoT. could be a little more SoT if i had the phone turned on all time, as i saw about 10% is gone while in standby. wish we could lower frequencies a little more down than 652mhz so it takes a little more to drop battery.
Now i'm going to try it with exkm, same cpu freq, but with 2 big cores off. Also gpu min133-510max, and initial freq 216.
I also turn off GPS(only using power save mode) and set data to 2g, as i have no need in the moment, using only my phone at house and work. Brightness at maximum 15-20%. using Lspeed agressive doze.
i will update when i have about 5% battery.
igorinolw said:
I was using kernel adiutor, but as i saw your post, just bought exkm and saw that it have some things that KA doesn't have.
I got my rn4 2 days ago, flashed xiaomi-eu and ultimate performance mod.
using all cores, min652-1036max cpu, as i did not saw/feel lag and stuttering while browsing through social media, chatting and playing some games. Got 1d16h19min and 13h8min SoT. could be a little more SoT if i had the phone turned on all time, as i saw about 10% is gone while in standby. wish we could lower frequencies a little more down than 652mhz so it takes a little more to drop battery.
Now i'm going to try it with exkm, same cpu freq, but with 2 big cores off. Also gpu min133-510max, and initial freq 216.
I also turn off GPS(only using power save mode) and set data to 2g, as i have no need in the moment, using only my phone at house and work. Brightness at maximum 15-20%. using Lspeed agressive doze.
i will update when i have about 5% battery.
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Is this the ultimate performance mod you used? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/foru...timate-performence-blazing-fast-t3482317/amp/
spr33 said:
Is this the ultimate performance mod you used? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/foru...timate-performence-blazing-fast-t3482317/amp/
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Yes, It is. I'm using v13, the latest i downloaded. Maybe It could've been updated since.
pentaxon said:
Why did you not buy old Nokia 3310 to use 2G only?
You really don't need a new "smart-phone" to making calls only and sending simple text messages....
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hehe，when I need 4G, I will change it manually, and all the time, I got WiFi, why I need 4G or Nokia 3310?
Idiosyncratinom said:
I have a GitHub Pages website where I can store my journey of trying to find better battery life.
What I'd like to ask you guys, is what thinks you think I could try to boost battery life.
At the moment I'm looking at CPU restriction with EX Kernel Manager - I've got good results from disabling two of the "big" cluster's cores, for example.
If you lose a lot of battery due to poor signal, definitely check out the "Automatic 2G/4G switching based on Wi-Fi connectivity (ROOT REQUIRED)" part of my site!
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How do I exactly turn off the 2 big cores on my device? Ex kernel manager is quiet confusing to me.
pentaxon said:
Why did you not buy old Nokia 3310 to use 2G only?
You really don't need a new "smart-phone" to making calls only and sending simple text messages....
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Ahh man, comment of the year! Thug ?
adrxano said:
How do I exactly turn off the 2 big cores on my device? Ex kernel manager is quiet confusing to me.
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Go to the CPU tab, press the CPU Cores option and untick cores 6 and 7. Hitting the power icon to the right (making it blue) will set this to apply on boot.
igorinolw said:
I was using kernel adiutor, but as i saw your post, just bought exkm and saw that it have some things that KA doesn't have.
I got my rn4 2 days ago, flashed xiaomi-eu and ultimate performance mod.
using all cores, min652-1036max cpu, as i did not saw/feel lag and stuttering while browsing through social media, chatting and playing some games. Got 1d16h19min and 13h8min SoT. could be a little more SoT if i had the phone turned on all time, as i saw about 10% is gone while in standby. wish we could lower frequencies a little more down than 652mhz so it takes a little more to drop battery.
Now i'm going to try it with exkm, same cpu freq, but with 2 big cores off. Also gpu min133-510max, and initial freq 216.
I also turn off GPS(only using power save mode) and set data to 2g, as i have no need in the moment, using only my phone at house and work. Brightness at maximum 15-20%. using Lspeed agressive doze.
i will update when i have about 5% battery.
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Will have to try 1036MHz max. To be honest, I chose 1600 as that's what worked on my OnePlus One.
What's the ultimate performance mod? Something in L-Speed?
I think you could drop your GPU max a bit. See if things are still smooth. Initial freq can be lower too.
I seem to be getting away with 3 of the big cores turned off, perf.d disabled, glassfish interactive governor profile.
Whats the big deal . I get around 14.30 hrs of backup with 1.5 days stand by time on 4g and wifi . Usimg stock frequency .i.e 1600 and 1400 (varies automatically). Miui 8.2.10
aman1241 said:
Whats the big deal . I get around 14.30 hrs of backup with 1.5 days stand by time on 4g and wifi . Usimg stock frequency .i.e 1600 and 1400 (varies automatically). Miui 8.2.10
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Do you have amazing cell signal?
Idiosyncratinom said:
Do you have amazing cell signal?
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Yess
aman1241 said:
Whats the big deal . I get around 14.30 hrs of backup with 1.5 days stand by time on 4g and wifi . Usimg stock frequency .i.e 1600 and 1400 (varies automatically). Miui 8.2.10
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pics or didnt happend :X
With minimum brightness, 2G, solid signal, heavy underclock, light usage... I can reach close to 4 day idle and 12h SoT.
I think higher SoT is possible in less days of course, but if you're out and about you can probably half those extreme stats due to brightness and signal differences.
Hi,
your github page is not available.
Does it still exists?
Thanks.
@schlagg
Updated the original post!
Changed my username on github, sorry!
Arusy said:
pics or didnt happend :X
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Take this
Rate this thread to express how you think the Nokia 8.3 5G's Wifi performs. A higher rating indicates that it has excellent range, throughput, and signal strength. Like when you're taking a dump in the bedroom upstairs, do your videos have to buffer or do they come through without interruption?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Umm taking a break from poop hurts. Butt my nokia 3v is very slow or put root come on
I'm not an expert in this area, but I'll say that I'm unimpressed with the 5G so far. I'm sure it's capable of high speeds, but I have T-Mobile, which I like, but the speed indicator seems to be meaningless. Mine might say 5G or 5G LTE but still take 5-10 minutes to download less than 100 megabytes of data (sometimes much less). This page only list 4G, but I'm guessing 5G is the same on the minimum, with no actual range. You can see that there is basically no minimum speed; so, don't count on anything it's just marketing. If it wasn't, then it would indicate some actual range, but with a minimum of "LESS" than .1 Mbps, forget it.
Internet Services | T-Mobile’s Broadband Internet Access Services
View important information about our broadband internet access services as well as our open internet disclosures. Learn more about our Internet Services.
www.t-mobile.com
4G LTE Network (On-Device):
Download speeds: Typically between 9 – 47 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Upload speeds: Typically between 4 – 20 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Latency: Typically between 30 – 50 ms
4G LTE Network (Via Smartphone Mobile HotSpot/Tethering, for Plans Including 4G LTE Tethering):
Download Speed: Typically between 5 – 31 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Upload Speed: Typically between 3 – 15 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Latency: Typically between 30 – 50 ms
P.S. So far this is from google or f-droid or similar; servers that shouldn't be maxed out
I don't have a 5G simcard, but I'm able to get 4G+ in my area. On Google's internet speed test it ranges from about 40-120Mbs download, slightly lower upload.
As for Wifi, we have a 500Mbs package, and the 8.3 can reach speeds of 400Mbs in close proximity to the router.
larrys_ said:
I'm not an expert in this area, but I'll say that I'm unimpressed with the 5G so far. I'm sure it's capable of high speeds, but I have T-Mobile, which I like, but the speed indicator seems to be meaningless. Mine might say 5G or 5G LTE but still take 5-10 minutes to download less than 100 megabytes of data (sometimes much less). This page only list 4G, but I'm guessing 5G is the same on the minimum, with no actual range. You can see that there is basically no minimum speed; so, don't count on anything it's just marketing. If it wasn't, then it would indicate some actual range, but with a minimum of "LESS" than .1 Mbps, forget it.
Internet Services | T-Mobile’s Broadband Internet Access Services
View important information about our broadband internet access services as well as our open internet disclosures. Learn more about our Internet Services.
www.t-mobile.com
4G LTE Network (On-Device):
Download speeds: Typically between 9 – 47 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Upload speeds: Typically between 4 – 20 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Latency: Typically between 30 – 50 ms
4G LTE Network (Via Smartphone Mobile HotSpot/Tethering, for Plans Including 4G LTE Tethering):
Download Speed: Typically between 5 – 31 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Upload Speed: Typically between 3 – 15 Mbps, with minimum expected speeds of less than 0.1 Mbps
Latency: Typically between 30 – 50 ms
P.S. So far this is from google or f-droid or similar; servers that shouldn't be maxed out
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I don't have that problem, also on tmobile in a large metro area ie lots of coverage.