So G2 will have 1300 mAH battery, which is a bit of dissappointment since most of us will not have the chance to stay plugged IN.
What I'm surprised to see is that the DESIRE HD, ---- G2's big brother has only 1230 mAh battery...
Is it because qualcomm's new chipsets are more efficient?
Or
Since the G2 is underclocked to 800 Mhz, thus that allows HTC to provide a smaller battery to compensate for the underclocked CPU?
If anybody can provide information with the new MSM7x30 chipset power consumption, that will be great!
Well, my G1 only has an 1100mAH battery and it lasts me all day without issue. I charge it every night and it has no problem lasting through the day. So I'm not worried at all about the G2.
It should be fine IMO. I'm sure after all the backlash about the battery life on the G1 (which honestly I've never complained about), they'll make sure that it's not an issue again. Despite the processor being considerably more powerful, it's also a newer generation using a smaller die size.
- newer generation, smaller, more efficient processor
- 1300mAh vs 1100mAh
- SLCD vs LCD
I wouldn't worry.
I know manufacturer specs aren't always accurate, but the G1 (GSM) is only rated at 402 minutes talk time, while the G2 (GSM) is rated at 590 minutes talk time.
Assuming they got those numbers using the same methods, you can expect almost 50% more battery life.
I'm not worried at all.
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It should be fine IMO. I'm sure after all the backlash about the battery life on the G1 (which honestly I've never complained about), they'll make sure that it's not an issue again. Despite the processor being considerably more powerful, it's also a newer generation using a smaller die size.
- newer generation, smaller, more efficient processor
- 1300mAh vs 1100mAh
- SLCD vs LCD
I wouldn't worry.
I know manufacturer specs aren't always accurate, but the G1 (GSM) is only rated at 402 minutes talk time, while the G2 (GSM) is rated at 590 minutes talk time.
Assuming they got those numbers using the same methods, you can expect almost 50% more battery life.
I'm not worried at all.
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50%.... I highly doubt that... because the faster data speeds you are transferring (ie. 3G, HSPA+) the more transmission power is required as how I see it, thus it hogs more battery power like that.
the HTC EVO 4G has a 1500 mAH battery which i think is sufficient for that device since it boasts a bigger screen, more importantly that its operating at 4G speeds.
(even though its not even close to "4G" speeds)
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50%.... I highly doubt that... because the faster data speeds you are transferring (ie. 3G, HSPA+) the more transmission power is required as how I see it, thus it hogs more battery power like that.
the HTC EVO 4G has a 1500 mAH battery which i think is sufficient for that device since it boasts a bigger screen, more importantly that its operating at 4G speeds.
(even though its not even close to "4G" speeds)
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Well, first of all not everyone is in a 4G area (including myself). Second, it possibly will allow you to only use 3g or 2g, similar to how you're able to disable 3g connections now. Lastly, you're comparing apples to oranges -- in similar situations you should be able to expect an almost 50% increase. At least, judging by the battery life specs posted on their site. I know battery life spec accuracy varies manufacturer-to-manufacturer, but these should be relatively accurate since they're estimated in the same method by the same manufacturer.
Obviously, it will vary based on what you're doing, what services you have running, how often you update data, how bright your screen is, the temperature, blah blah blah, but either way, in similar situations, the G2 should have more battery life. I'd be more than happy to compare my G1 with a new battery to the G2 with a new battery once I get it.
more efficient proccesor. but i kind of plan to run it a stock speeds of 1Ghz but wonder if its going to kill the battery
I run my Sprint Hero 182MHz over rated spec and I get more life out of it with 2.2 than I ever did with 1.6/2.1 at regular speed.
I highly doubt overclocking it 200Mhz will kill the battery. I would say if anything the slower stock speed has to do with heat dissipation due to the extra space taken up by the keyboard/hinging mechanisms.
Kill the battery? No.
Use battery faster? Of course.
1ghz is one of the "approved" speeds. Clocking to that speed won't be too detrimental to battery life. I think T-Mob/HTC is just taking a safe approach and trying their best to make sure people are satisfied with the battery life. Especially since 800mhz is "fast enough."
The more you overclock, the more inefficient the processor will become. For example, my PC processor is rated at 125w. When overclocked 50% (from 2.4ghz to 3.2ghz), it uses almost 80% more power...
EVO battery life v. G2
The big difference between the EVO and the G2 with regard to battery life is that the EVO is running 3 separate networks and antennas for those networks (1xRTT for voice, EVDO and WiMax for data) that is the largest drain on the battery life.
In comparison the G2 will only be connecting to 1 GPRS/EDGE/3G (UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+)Also while I am sure that there will be some additional power draw by the faster HSPA+ connection, I have not noticed any difference in battery use by since HSPA+ went live in my area. My average download speeds went from averaging 600-800 Kbps on UMTS to 4,000 -5,000 Kbps on average, using a Mytouch Slide. I don't expect a large difference in battery usage from the update to HSPA+ but I'll update once I get my G2.
Also one point on overclocking, generally overclocking means clocking a chip faster than its specification. Clocking the CPU in the G2 to 1Ghz is still within the processor's specifications, so it should be more stable than most overclocks. I'm sure that someone who has more experience with overclocking than I do will correct my assumption about this if it is wrong.
I'm a bit worried about battery life too. Does anyone know if the 1300mAh battery it will use is currently used in any other htc phones? It would be nice to be able to pick up a few spares off ebay before i buy the phone.
Battery life comparison of common phones:
HTC Evo: 1500 mAh
Nexus One: 1500 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh
G1: 1150 mAh
G2: 1300 mAh
while the G2 is on the lower end of the spectrum the slcd and more efficient processor should make up for it. though that might all change when we try to OC it.
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Battery life comparison of common phones:
HTC Evo: 1500 mAh
Nexus One: 1500 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh
G1: 1150 mAh
G2: 1300 mAh
while the G2 is on the lower end of the spectrum the slcd and more efficient processor should make up for it. though that might all change when we try to OC it.
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HTC Evo: 1500 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
Nexus One: 1500 mAh 65nm processor
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh TouchWiz
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh Irrelevant
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh MotoBlur
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
G1: 1150 mAh First Gen... LOL
G2: 1300 mAh 800MHz + 45nm
We should be fine
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HTC Evo: 1500 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
Nexus One: 1500 mAh 65nm processor
Samsung Galaxy S: 1500 mAh TouchWiz
iPhone 4: 1450 mAh Irrelevant
HTC Desire: 1400 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor
Motorola Droid 2: 1400 mAh MotoBlur
Droid Incredible: 1300 mAh HTC Sense + 65nm processor + CDMA
G1: 1150 mAh First Gen... LOL
G2: 1300 mAh 800MHz + 45nm
We should be fine
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read somewhere that CDMA was power efficient then GSM...
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read somewhere that CDMA was power efficient then GSM...
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really? I've read the opposite
Power consumption is less in GSM handsets as compared to CDMA handsets.
I don't know if this is reliable or not but...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Difference-Between-CDMA-and-GSM&id=3866964
After a bit of googling I found that the G2 should use the same battery as the HTC wildfire. A extra 1500mAh battery will set you back a entire $5 on ebay, hope this helps!
I can assure everyone as an elec engineer, nothing kills the bettery more than data transmission. Yes, it even kills more battery than leaving the screen on w/ backlight.
The thing is that with high speed data whether it be (3G, 4G, HSPA+) requires more transmission power because the CPU and radio or encoding/decoding BIGGER data packets compared to EDGE/2G. When CPU and Radio are both working at the same time with processing wireless data it takes more power because inner chip data transfer is taking place between RADIO <> CPU <> RAM. Thus reducing the battery.
At the end of the day, everyone's consumption is different based on WHEN and HOW they use their phone.
I guess we will have to wait and see.
P.S. I miss my NOKIA E61i, 6460, N71..... those phones used to last atleast 4 days without needing to be recharged.
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Also one point on overclocking, generally overclocking means clocking a chip faster than its specification. Clocking the CPU in the G2 to 1Ghz is still within the processor's specifications, so it should be more stable than most overclocks. I'm sure that someone who has more experience with overclocking than I do will correct my assumption about this if it is wrong.
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Yes your correct overclocking is running a chip above what it is made for. When you do that you start to get problems.
But if anyone remembers the g1 comes with a 528 cpu but was underclock to around 380something during android 1.0
I just hope aftermarket batteries hit the shelves like for the g1. I've got a 2800 mah battery on my g1. yeah it has to have a custom battery cover making it a bit thicker but the extra battery life is well worth it.
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Questions:
1) How do you know if the Omnia Pro isn't also underclocked?
2) How come no one ever said that the Xperia X1 was underclocked?
3) How come there are no tweaks/ways to overclock/clock the Xperia X1?
[p.s. i have a larger battery I can withstand the strain of power usage]
4) Are there anyways to clock my CPU? Should I change my clockspeed on the X1 since I got a superb extended 3600 battery?
no offence mate, but aren't You spamming this boards a bit recently? it was mentioned dozen times before, that for now there is no method to overclock qualcomm cpus.
I once did a pretty thorough search of the registry and couldn't find anything relating to clock speed. Otherwise, Bronx is right. There are no programs you can buy etc to overclock. Some websites mistakenly list Xperia as compatible with overclocking software, but it's a mistake.
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no offence mate, but aren't You spamming this boards a bit recently? it was mentioned dozen times before, that for now there is no method to overclock qualcomm cpus.
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Yeah but I needed a definite answer to this question. I copied and paste it from my original thread. Obviously no one answered my question and it pissed me off. I want my Xperia to be fast as possible as I plan on keeping my Xperia until X3 or a better phone which based on my expectations and requirements will be a very long time.
have you tried the nueDynamicClock?
it can lower the clock speed to save battery life, my X1 can last up to 3days now.. (w/minimal wi-fi use)
it also have a MaxPerformanceprofile.. i haven't tested it yet..
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have you tried the nueDynamicClock?
it can lower the clock speed to save battery life, my X1 can last up to 3days now.. (w/minimal wi-fi use)
it also have a MaxPerformanceprofile.. i haven't tested it yet..
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I'm going to try it soon.
Since I have 3600 mAh battery, I don't mind using the full potentials of my CPU.
poetryrocksalot said:
Yeah but I needed a definite answer to this question. I copied and paste it from my original thread. Obviously no one answered my question and it pissed me off. I want my Xperia to be fast as possible as I plan on keeping my Xperia until X3 or a better phone which based on my expectations and requirements will be a very long time.
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IF you had an original thread you should just bump it btw you already told us you had a 3600 in the first post
For the Google Phones that have the same CPU like the X1 but run only with 400 MHz this is true.
So CPU Scaling/Increasing works.
Keywords for setting the cpu speed are "cpu scaling"
In Linux you need this comand here to get information about the cpu speed.
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*
A typical output is this here
800000
1600000
800000
1600000 800000
ondemand conservative performance
800000
powernow-k8
ondemand
1600000
800000
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As you can see on my Linux Laptop system i am able to run the Notebook with 800 MHz and 1600 Mhz. My Actual speed is 800 MHz and the extra boost of 1600 Mhz will be only enabled ondemand triggered by conservative usage.
We need the right cpu scaling module (see powernow-k8) in linux for setting the cpu clock in X1 the way that we like it. Thats all every other exist allready
"I'm going to try it soon.
Since I have 3600 mAh battery, I don't mind using the full potentials of my CPU."
mind you they don't just underclock cpus to save batt time also
if they don't have good enough cooling on the chip in which case
you can kill it
in which case the warrenty would be void
Rudegar said:
"I'm going to try it soon.
Since I have 3600 mAh battery, I don't mind using the full potentials of my CPU."
mind you they don't just underclock cpus to save batt time also
if they don't have good enough cooling on the chip in which case
you can kill it
in which case the warrenty would be void
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Then what is the point in having 528 MHz CPU?
poetryrocksalot said:
Then what is the point in having 528 MHz CPU?
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Marketing?
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Marketing?
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Yeah but it would only seem reasonable if they LIE that the processor is 528...
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Yeah but it would only seem reasonable if they LIE that the processor is 528...
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Marketing on the basis of creating false hope for clocking the CPU later?
Most likely an issue of heat and protecting the CPU over time. From what I understand, most phone CPUs of 500Mhz and over are underclocked.
The Palm Pre and iPhone cpu is underclocked to 600Mhz[1], the iPhone's 620Mhz was underclocked to somewhere over 400Mhz, even other HTC phones using the same Qualcomm 528Mhz as in the X1 are underclocked to 400Mhz.
[1] http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/gallery-deep-inside-the-iphone-3g-s/
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Most likely an issue of heat and protecting the CPU over time. From what I understand, most phone CPUs of 500Mhz and over are underclocked.
The Palm Pre and iPhone cpu is underclocked to 600Mhz[1], the iPhone's 620Mhz was underclocked to somewhere over 400Mhz, even other HTC phones using the same Qualcomm 528Mhz as in the X1 are underclocked to 400Mhz.
[1] http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/gallery-deep-inside-the-iphone-3g-s/
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Right, so does anyone have any idea why people are underclocking? Why not just have a ****ing a 400 MHz CPU on the X1 and be done with it? Why waste 100-200 MHz that won't even be used? Have I gone crazy are all these companies just plain retarded?
Calm down.
If a CPU is built to withstand a maximum of 528Mhz, then underclocking it will extend the CPU life and reduce heating. If you took a 400Mhz CPU and ran it at max all the time it would have a decreased life compared to a 528Mhz underclocked to 400Mhz.
http://www.wizcode.com/devblog/comments/pocket_hack_master_v5_work_in_progress_announced
hope dies last dont it
well... that doesn't mean anything. as usual, before it gets released most of us will be on new device.
my advice: enjoy xperia as it is. soon You'll have to jump on to something more powerful, because one day all phones will be smartphones. it is a one way ticket and tg 01 is a sign of things to come. I am hoping, that microsoft marketplace will encourage coders to make some wonder apps for future winmo devices.
if the higher Hz cpus were made to run with a bigger headsink or even active cooling it would be somewhat of a problem for the phone makers so underclocking it would make sense
do they're official marketing push the high hz or did it just appear as specs on an unofficial site?
one reason one may put in a cpu which is able to run faster then it does is that the cheapest cpu is the one most mass produced not the one which give the lowest spcs
supply and demand set prices not speed and performance
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Right, so does anyone have any idea why people are underclocking? Why not just have a ****ing a 400 MHz CPU on the X1 and be done with it? Why waste 100-200 MHz that won't even be used? Have I gone crazy are all these companies just plain retarded?
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As someone already said, because an underclocked CPU have an extended life and less heat compared with a CPU running always at full speed.
Take as an example laptop processors. You have 4 core but they do not always run at full speed. Why? because you have less heat, more battery life (if you have a 3600 battery, that doesn't mean everyone else have one...X1 is shipped with a 1500 battery pack), longer life.
Another answer is: because 400mhz cpu are not produced anymore or, if still in production, they cost a lot of money, compared with the mass production of new cpu. It is just economy of scale.
The real point is: can't they make a dinamic switching CPU, so that it will run 400mhz most of the time and 528mhz just when it is overloaded?
You can overclock n1 only to 1.190ghz, while desire hd 1.9ghz and the htc desire Z (G2) 2.0ghz. Does N1 has to old cpu?
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Why would you wanna over clock your phone? I have my N1 clocked @ 691 and works really fast with the MIUI rom and battery performance is better than stock. I'm not a fan of custom rom & rooting but I been pretty pleased so far. overclocking the nexus one will drain your battery like crazy plus the 1st Gen of snapdragons weren't as good with graphics as the A4chips and humming birds.
i have mine underclocked too and it works fine. try going a step further and underclocking it to like 422 when it's sleeping/standby. it'll help your battery
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Why would you wanna over clock your phone? I have my N1 clocked @ 691 and works really fast with the MIUI rom and battery performance is better than stock. I'm not a fan of custom rom & rooting but I been pretty pleased so far. overclocking the nexus one will drain your battery like crazy plus the 1st Gen of snapdragons weren't as good with graphics as the A4chips and humming birds.
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The connection between clockspeed and power consumption is not as strong as you think. But without a doubt it has an influence. Much more important is the voltage. If you "undervolt" the Nexus One CPU you can even get better battery live with higher clockspeed.
And if you use a tool to change the clockspeed depending on the situation (display on/off, battery % left, workload) and undervolt the cpu you can safe A LOT of juice.
With Wildmonks kernel, MIUI and SetCPU I get a much better lifetime than ever before even though my Nexus runs at 1152MHz.
Actually, the frequency makes a BIG difference in power consumption. Think of it this way - each clock causes changes propagating in transistors, which are the actual power draw. More clocks = more changes = more power drawn. As easy as that.
So, having 10% higher frequency and 10% lower voltage compensates each other.
Nexus has examples that overclock to 1.5GHz when overvolted, like Desire Z and Desire HD (both of those have to be overvolted to go up stable from 1.2GHz). Most of Nexus Ones fail when overclocking and don't reach higher than 1.2GHz, but it might be not because of the CPU, but because of other devices on system board.
Generally, it is only when you change the voltage (which is required to stabilize the higher frequency) that you see noticeable differences in battery life.
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Actually, the frequency makes a BIG difference in power consumption. Think of it this way - each clock causes changes propagating in transistors, which are the actual power draw. More clocks = more changes = more power drawn. As easy as that.
So, having 10% higher frequency and 10% lower voltage compensates each other.
Nexus has examples that overclock to 1.5GHz when overvolted, like Desire Z and Desire HD (both of those have to be overvolted to go up stable from 1.2GHz). Most of Nexus Ones fail when overclocking and don't reach higher than 1.2GHz, but it might be not because of the CPU, but because of other devices on system board.
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Generally, it is only when you change the voltage (which is required to stabilize the higher frequency) that you see noticeable differences in battery life.
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Ok, some additions required.
Leakage is also dependent on power, and the dependency graph isn't linear - and starts breaking upwards at some point, usually being a tad above the max designed voltage.
Going down in voltage makes leakage change approximately linear, and doesn't affect nearly as much as going up.
Overclocking will draw power just as I noted above - exactly with the same percentage difference - only when the clock is reaching the overclocked area, which happens only when you're playing games or doing CPU-intensive tasks.
Undervolting will affect leakage, which happens 100% of the time.
So yes, when running in dynamically scaled environment, undervolting has more effect than overclocking. On desktop PC, running the same clock frequency constantly, the effect is the same.
Very True. And I wasn't saying that overclocking, while at the same voltage, didn't draw ANY more power... I just am trying to say that (for example in this graph) overclocking only has a small effect on power draw until you actually change the voltage. In that same example, going from 3.4 to 3.8 GHz only adds about 6% current draw while at the same vCore, while going up a similar amount in clock speed.
I'd even wager to say that if you're slightly under-volted and as heavily overclocked as you can go at that given voltage, you'll save some trivial amount of power versus stock because of the fact that voltage affects power draw significantly more than clock speed. I would also wager that if you are at an overclocked speed and are at stock voltage, the amount of current and power draw will be almost indistinguishable to the end user, since things like display will almost always use much more power if the display is on for any appreciable amount of time.
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Ok, some additions required.
Leakage is also dependent on power, and the dependency graph isn't linear - and starts breaking upwards at some point, usually being a tad above the max designed voltage.
Going down in voltage makes leakage change approximately linear, and doesn't affect nearly as much as going up.
Overclocking will draw power just as I noted above - exactly with the same percentage difference - only when the clock is reaching the overclocked area, which happens only when you're playing games or doing CPU-intensive tasks.
Undervolting will affect leakage, which happens 100% of the time.
So yes, when running in dynamically scaled environment, undervolting has more effect than overclocking. On desktop PC, running the same clock frequency constantly, the effect is the same.
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Actually, the frequency makes a BIG difference in power consumption. Think of it this way - each clock causes changes propagating in transistors, which are the actual power draw. More clocks = more changes = more power drawn. As easy as that.
So, having 10% higher frequency and 10% lower voltage compensates each other
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I wouldn't call 10% more peak power consumption big if you take in account that the cpu is only running at the max clock speed a very small amount of time. 90% of the time the device is sleeping anyway and even if it's not you barely need the max clock speed. But if you do you will recognize the difference.
On the other side the reduced voltaged can safe you power all the time.
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I'd even wager to say that if you're slightly under-volted and as heavily overclocked as you can go at that given voltage, you'll save some trivial amount of power versus stock because of the fact that voltage affects power draw significantly more than clock speed. I would also wager that if you are at an overclocked speed and are at stock voltage, the amount of current and power draw will be almost indistinguishable to the end user, since things like display will almost always use much more power if the display is on for any appreciable amount of time.
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That's exactly what I experienced.
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I wouldn't call 10% more peak power consumption big if you take in account that the cpu is only running at the max clock speed a very small amount of time. 90% of the time the device is sleeping anyway and even if it's not you barely need the max clock speed. But if you do you will recognize the difference.
On the other side the reduced voltaged can safe you power all the time.
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Yes, you're right, and that's why I corrected myself in my second post. I totally forgot about the frequency scaling.
Off topic, but this is why I love XDA. Rational debate over a subject by intelligent people, where there usually isn't flaming. Thanks added to the two of your posts.
Hello, can someone please explain how my battery life improves when I set minimum cpu clock from 200 to 500?
I usually get 3 hours of screen time, with 500 as minimum I get nearly 4 hours. This difference is significant enough to make me wonder and ponder about how this happens.
It's counter logical, something with a higher minimum should drain faster.. right?
Does both cpu states are working at the same voltage? If yes (or the difference is very small) then the battery saving are from the increased execution speed .
In my own opinion, i dont think it affect much, while more than 70%+ battery drain by screen, unless u use cpu 100% all the time, otherwise i wouldnt too much concern abt that
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Chip efficiency changes with frequency. We tested this on my other phone (an Atrix- nice phone even now!)
Sometimes the CPU is just more power efficient doing tasks at higher frequencies. In a sense, the processor works faster, but for less time- so although it is running faster and requires more battery power, it completes the task much earlier and uses less power in total for that process.
My note, when running at 1.4ghz uses battery so much faster than at 1ghz, but the battery saving when dropping down from 1ghz is minimal, if existent at all.
Welcome to the not-always-intuitive world of modern CPU power usage.
The old mantra "higher frequencies use more power" becomes muddy in situations where the CPU can clock-gate parts of the chip when idle (cpuidle) and where the CPU voltage can change.
It was proven nearly a decade ago that if you don't change voltage at all with clock AND you have a good cpuidle implementation - it is actually best to always clock the CPU at maximum frequency. When voltage changes are in effect - it's harder to tell.
On most devices, the voltage for 500 and 200 are nearly identical. 500 does, I believe, have a somewhat higher bus frequency. So for a given workload, 500 MHz at, say, 20% load will use not much more power than 200 MHz at 50% load. In some cases, a device running at 500 MHz will finish a task more quickly and enter deep sleep faster.
Pretty much - 200 vs. 500 is really questionable in terms of which is best for power consumption. This is why I always set my screen-on minimum to 500.
Any frequency below 200 MHz is pointless as you can't undervolt those frequencies enough compared to 200 to make them have any benefit - in fact in many cases, adding a 100 MHz step is WORSE for battery.
Edit: One thing to note - In Gingerbread, the cpuidle driver was FAR less effective than it is in ICS. Only LPA and IDLE states were enabled by default, and the target residency for both was 40 ms.
In ICS, LPA, AFTR, and IDLE states are enabled and the target residency is 10ms. So it can hit deeper idle states far more often. For example, AFTR isn't as good as LPA - but it's better than dropping all the way to IDLE if you can't enter LPA. This is, in general, why the power consumption when wakelocked is much lower in ICS.
The bad news is that the suspend/resume cycle of the device is longer in ICS, AND cpuidle is totally blocked during suspend/resume - so the suspend/resume cycle eats even more juice than it did before, and it was historically one of the biggest users of power. Eventually I want to try and reduce this consumption.
Thanks for the good explanation mate, it has made things clear for me
Will be keeping my note on minimum of 500MHz aswell as it is a good improvement with no or next to no extra battery drain
Hey i tried many diffrent rom bui i can only get 2.5h SOT. Which kernel do you use and which rom to get the maximum battery life without lag?
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They are at opposite ends. If you want maximum battery life then there no way to avoid lag.
You can completely turn off 2 or 3 cores, leaving you with a single or dual core phone;
You can also underclock and undervolt the remaining cores, reducing power consumption even more.
This is very battery friendly (in theory), but, as I said, it will give you big lags.
I added a rom video review to the help thread. You might want to check it out.
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Hey i tried many diffrent rom bui i can only get 2.5h SOT. Which kernel do you use and which rom to get the maximum battery life without lag?
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They are at opposite ends. If you want maximum battery life then there no way to avoid lag.
You can completely turn off 2 or 3 cores, leaving you with a single or dual core phone;
You can also underclock and undervolt the remaining cores, reducing power consumption even more.
This is very battery friendly (in theory), but, as I said, it will give you big lags.
I added a rom video review to the help thread. You might want to check it out.
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Don't mean to troll, but can't help it. Turn a quad core cpu into a dual core? Really?!
Erm... ok.
thundastruck said:
Don't mean to troll, but can't help it. Turn a quad core cpu into a dual core? Really?!
Erm... ok.
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Do you have any better ideas on how to increase battery life?
Cores need power to run. Turning them off is a completely logical option.
You really don't need all the cores for most tasks. You can browse Facebook, or whatever, just fine with only two cores.
I am currently running in dual-core mode with max cpu frequency at 1.2 GHz and it still is smooth.
GDReaper said:
Do you have any better ideas on how to increase battery life?
Cores need power to run. Turning them off is a completely logical option.
You really don't need all the cores for most tasks. You can browse Facebook, or whatever, just fine with only two cores.
I am currently running in dual-core mode with max cpu frequency at 1.2 GHz and it still is smooth.
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I aldeady underclockt it to 1.2 ghz and undervolting it -625000 uV. Shut off to cores and use intellimm. I also under clock gpu to 320 mhz and under volt it 1 step down. I use zen with 1024 kb. Turn off android logger and zram. Use amplify, power nap, greenify and Max 700 mhz screen off. What I can do more?
obol2 said:
I aldeady underclockt it to 1.2 ghz and undervolting it -625000 uV. Shut off to cores and use intellimm. I also under clock gpu to 320 mhz and under volt it 1 step down. I use zen with 1024 kb. Turn off android logger and zram. Use amplify, power nap, greenify and Max 700 mhz screen off. What I can do more?
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Nothing.
Test your battery. Or better yet, start thinking of getting a replacement or a new phone. With a 2 hour charge something seriously is wrong with your device.
My 3 year old S4-i9500 still comfortably gets through the day. Bought a brand new original battery 6 months ago. Smooth sailing. No under-volting, shutting off cores, under-clocking or any crap like that. Phone is custom rom'med and correctly so if I may add.
obol2 said:
I aldeady underclockt it to 1.2 ghz and undervolting it -625000 uV. Shut off to cores and use intellimm. I also under clock gpu to 320 mhz and under volt it 1 step down. I use zen with 1024 kb. Turn off android logger and zram. Use amplify, power nap, greenify and Max 700 mhz screen off. What I can do more?
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lower values for read ahead cache are more battery friendly.
Also, bfq is considered more battery friendly too.
thundastruck said:
Nothing.
Test your battery. Or better yet, start thinking of getting a replacement or a new phone. With a 2 hour charge something seriously is wrong with your device.
My 3 year old S4-i9500 still comfortably gets through the day. Bought a brand new original battery 6 months ago. Smooth sailing. No under-volting, shutting off cores, under-clocking or any crap like that. Phone is custom rom'med and correctly so if I may add.
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In two month I will get a new phone. I want to buy the lg v10 but don't know if it is worth or lg g4 / moto x style.
obol2 said:
In two month I will get a new phone. I want to buy the lg v10 but don't know if it is worth or lg g4 / moto x style.
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Never heard of these models except for lg g4, which was crap imo.
thundastruck said:
With a 2 hour charge something seriously is wrong with your device.
My 3 year old S4-i9500 still comfortably gets through the day
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You are aware that he said 2.5h SOT, "screen on time" ?
That means that after using it for an entire day or two, the combined time of the screen being on is 2.5 hours, and in my opinion that is not really bad.
The screen is always the culprit when it comes to power consumption, and in a phone with a battery that doesnt exeed 2000mah its just natural
that after about 2-3 hours of the screen being on the little battery is empty, and no ammount of undervolting will extend that significantly.
The only thing he can consider to increase SOT is a bigger battery, if he doesnt mind the bigger bulge at the back.
Backe888 said:
You are aware that he said 2.5h SOT, "screen on time" ?
That means that after using it for an entire day or two, the combined time of the screen being on is 2.5 hours, and in my opinion that is not really bad.
The screen is always the culprit when it comes to power consumption, and in a phone with a battery that doesnt exeed 2000mah its just natural
that after about 2-3 hours of the screen being on the little battery is empty, and no ammount of undervolting will extend that significantly.
The only thing he can consider to increase SOT is a bigger battery, if he doesnt mind the bigger bulge at the back.
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Had no idea - never really cared what SOT stands for anyway! But thanks for clearing that up. Always had satisfactory battery life on my S4. The few times I didn't was when a rom on my phone went bad & subsequently had to flash another.
So if what you say is true regarding a day or 2 battery life, then what is this chump complaining about? Turning water into wine? :silly:
So @GDReaper idea is right!I currently am on crDroid and when I switch off 2 or 3 cores the phone is as fast as it was and the battery lasts a little bit longer..With normal charging it goes to full for about 1 hour and half and without using it the batttery lasts 1-2 days,using it lasts about 3 hours or 4.I flashed a new kernel and turned on fast charging on Kernel Adiutor,now the phone charges full for about 45 minutes and lasts same! I'm very happy with my battery bcs I haven't changed it since I got the phone!
Just bought Note 7 yesterday. Got an update. Current Rom version is Miui 10 (10.2.8.0) Stable. My phone's battery is draining a lot.
My previous device was Redmi Note 5 Ai and on that device I got a great battery backup. Like 1 hour+ SOT consume only 10% charge but on RN7 I got only 30-35 min SOT on 10% charge.
And draining percentage is also high, regular social media and other task takes around 400-500 mA continuously but on RN5 it was only 300-350 mA
Is is rom issue or something else?
Saikot Khan said:
Just bought Note 7 yesterday. Got an update. Current Rom version is Miui 10 (10.2.8.0) Stable. My phone's battery is draining a lot.
My previous device was Redmi Note 5 Ai and on that device I got a great battery backup. Like 1 hour+ SOT consume only 10% charge but on RN7 I got only 30-35 min SOT on 10% charge.
And draining percentage is also high, regular social media and other task takes around 400-500 mA continuously but on RN5 it was only 300-350 mA
Is is rom issue or something else?
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RN5 and RN7 has same size battery. But RN7 uses more powerful and power hungry soc, AND has bigger display to light. So dont you think its only logical to get such results?
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RN5 and RN7 has same size battery. But RN7 uses more powerful and power hungry soc, AND has bigger display to light. So dont you think its only logical to get such results?
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Wait, i thought the more powerful a chipset is, the more it's optimized to be less battery hungry? Wow, thank goodness I never fell for those flagships with 3000mAh.
SonyObsessed said:
Wait, i thought the more powerful a chipset is, the more it's optimized to be less battery hungry? Wow, thank goodness I never fell for those flagships with 3000mAh.
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With smartphone socs its all about semiconductor size. While its true that newer architecture 7nm snapdragon 855 will be more power EFFICIENT than 10nm snapdragon 845, it doesnt necessarily mean its gonna use less power, because its also faster, running at highers clocks and in result using more power. If 855 only had to reach 845 performance level, then yes, it would use less power. In this case, RN5 uses sd636, while RN7 uses sd660, which is basically same soc. Same architecture, same design, only difference being sd660 is a bit faster because its clock frequency is bigger. To put it simply sd660 is overclocked sd636. So logically it uses more power, because higher frequency requires higher voltage, and higher voltage means more energy used.
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With smartphone socs its all about semiconductor size. While its true that newer architecture 7nm snapdragon 855 will be more power EFFICIENT than 10nm snapdragon 845, it doesnt necessarily mean its gonna use less power, because its also faster, running at highers clocks and in result using more power. If 855 only had to reach 845 performance level, then yes, it would use less power. In this case, RN5 uses sd636, while RN7 uses sd660, which is basically same soc. Same architecture, same design, only difference being sd660 is a bit faster because its clock frequency is bigger. To put it simply sd660 is overclocked sd636. So logically it uses more power, because higher frequency requires higher voltage, and higher voltage means more energy used.
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Wow thanks for this.