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After hearing this news about the new screens coming to the nexus one it got me thinking. Will i be able to purchase an after market nexus one SLCD and install it on my "OLD" Nexus one, if not why?

We probably won't know until someone actually gets their hands on a Nexus with the SLCD and decides to disassemble it to make sure everything is the same to know if it's possible. But screen replacement is always pretty risky so unless you know what you're doing, I wouldn't try it anyways.

To me the question is why would you even want LCD over amoled. Amoled is better. They are only using LCD for lack of supply.

yeah i would never try doing that. i will get someone to do it for me and have them be responsible for any mistakes they make!
yeah i doubt anyone will tare down their N1 unless they break it...
blablum said:
To me the question is why would you even want LCD over amoled. Amoled is better. They are only using LCD for lack of supply.
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well my reason is i like being able to see my screen in the morning while on the bus. Its really about give or take in this situation. Its nice having a really nice screen with the deep blacks at night but at the end of the day i want my screen to be visible with out seeing my reflection while I'm out side..

solidmac said:
well my reason is i like being able to see my screen in the morning while on the bus. Its really about give or take in this situation. Its nice having a really nice screen with the deep blacks at night but at the end of the day i want my screen to be visible with out seeing my reflection while I'm out side..
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You mean you don't want your screen turning into a mirror when you're outside??

uberamd said:
You mean you don't want your screen turning into a mirror when you're outside??
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exactly this guys knows what im talking about!
but if there was a way to kinda provide a type filter on the screen that would help reduce the reflectiveness of the screen and not by Anti Glare, glare is not the problem its mainly reflections
Super-AMOLED displays are AMOLED displays with an integrated touch function..

solidmac said:
well my reason is i like being able to see my screen in the morning while on the bus.
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Ah, ok, that makes more sense. I don't know if it would help at all as I haven't tried miself, but reflected light is mostly polarized, maybe getting light sunglasses with polarized lenses would improve readability?

I just tried that, it doesn't seem to work, what almost sort of worked was putting my sun glasses on the screen and that improved the visibility very considerably. I dont know the UV rating for my glasses but only down side is that my screen a tone darker with the phone set on "auto".

solidmac said:
Its nice having a really nice screen with the deep blacks at night but at the end of the day i want my screen to be visible with out seeing my reflection while I'm outside.
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Well, at the end of the day the night starts, so the AMOLED screen in your N1 will do it just fine!

Lol lol you got me there but can someone have a answer for my filter question ?

Your S4 screen with polarized lens sunglasses

So, I had one Galaxy S4 and with my polarized sunglasses I had no issue seeing the screen. The home button broke and I got the entire unit replaced, now whenever I look at the screen with my polarized sunglasses it is dimmed significantly.
What is your experience with polarized sunglasses and your S4? I'm wondering if it's more common or not to have issues with them on the S4. I know *very* common with screens to have an issue with polarized lenses

Mine is really clear. No problems at all
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Can see mines fine. However it might be different from screen to screen. For example my Pebble watch... I cannot see at all with my polarized glasses on. And my iPhone 4S was hard to read as well.

WoodburyMan said:
Can see mines fine. However it might be different from screen to screen. For example my Pebble watch... I cannot see at all with my polarized glasses on. And my iPhone 4S was hard to read as well.
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LCD screens use polarization to create the image, you can see the details here in the LCD wiki. Because of this, using polarized sunglasses will make the screen appear dark in certain orientations. AMOLED on the other hand has sub pixels for each color, negating the need for polarization. If any polarization patterns are seen, it would be caused by the tempering process of the gorilla glass (and i'm not sure if this would even be seen in polarized light)

Matridom said:
LCD screens use polarization to create the image, you can see the details here in the LCD wiki. Because of this, using polarized sunglasses will make the screen appear dark in certain orientations. AMOLED on the other hand has sub pixels for each color, negating the need for polarization. If any polarization patterns are seen, it would be caused by the tempering process of the gorilla glass (and i'm not sure if this would even be seen in polarized light)
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Apparently the Galaxy S4 active is shipping with a TFT display and not the AMOLED. I wonder if pressed for production, Samsung is starting to put the TFT display in the regular S4 also now? I'm going to put my screen under a microscope to check if it's AMOLED with subpixels and all.

hedpe said:
Apparently the Galaxy S4 active is shipping with a TFT display and not the AMOLED. I wonder if pressed for production, Samsung is starting to put the TFT display in the regular S4 also now? I'm going to put my screen under a microscope to check if it's AMOLED with subpixels and all.
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Never thought of the active. I would suspect differently though. LCD's are known to be better in direct sunlight, AMOLED is catching up, but for a phone designed for the outdoors person, Samsung may be taking no chances. I also don't see the active being advertised as an AMOLED like the s4 is.

Matridom said:
Never thought of the active. I would suspect differently though. LCD's are known to be better in direct sunlight, AMOLED is catching up, but for a phone designed for the outdoors person, Samsung may be taking no chances. I also don't see the active being advertised as an AMOLED like the s4 is.
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I checked under a microscope, comparing an iPhone 4 and a Galaxy S3. The pixel layout I saw on my Galaxy S4 and Galaxy S3 matched this image and other "microscope" images of the Galaxy S4 AMOLED.
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...Galaxy-S-4-on-the-right-screen-comparison.jpg
So, after seeing the pixel layout I'm absolutely confident it is an AMOLED. When I displayed a completely black image, there was absolutely no light coming through the display either and all pixels were turned completely off.

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I checked under a microscope, comparing an iPhone 4 and a Galaxy S3. The pixel layout I saw on my Galaxy S4 and Galaxy S3 matched this image and other "microscope" images of the Galaxy S4 AMOLED.
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...Galaxy-S-4-on-the-right-screen-comparison.jpg
So, after seeing the pixel layout I'm absolutely confident it is an AMOLED. When I displayed a completely black image, there was absolutely no light coming through the display either and all pixels were turned completely off.
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The retina display is an IPS LCD display Apple does not use amoled
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I have to tilt my S4 45 degree to the left to be able to view it clearly with polarized sunglasses. If I hold it straight, it is pretty dark, and if I tilt it 45 degrees to the right, it is nearly black.

Just wanted to mention with either of my polarized glasses my S4 is totally unaffected.
Interesting that there are differences in the manufacturing/tempering process.

Mine is also unaffected. I have tried with multiple sunglasses aswell
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seanpr123 said:
Just wanted to mention with either of my polarized glasses my S4 is totally unaffected.
Interesting that there are differences in the manufacturing/tempering process.
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msavic6 said:
Mine is also unaffected. I have tried with multiple sunglasses aswell
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What you are saying is pretty much impossible with AMOLED displays. It may not be the normal orientation, but there has to be some orientation at which the screen is darkened. The only other explanation is that the sunglasses you tried were not actually polarized. You're absolutely sure?

mattdm said:
What you are saying is pretty much impossible with AMOLED displays. It may not be the normal orientation, but there has to be some orientation at which the screen is darkened. The only other explanation is that the sunglasses you tried were not actually polarized. You're absolutely sure?
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Interesting, will perform some tests tonight.
I know both glasses are for sure polarized as they block out my cars display at certain angles.
I'm 99% sure of my statement, wonder if I can record the effect somehow with another camera.
Will let ya know.

It's likely just a matter of the build process - the polarization of the screen could be different in newer [sub]models. From one AMOLED screen to another, I've noticed the same problems, but it depends on what polarization the glasses have, what ANGLE the polarization is at, and what angle the polarization is on the device screen. I also have to tilt my head at least 45deg to get it 100% bright, and holding the device sideways works fine.

Aou said:
It's likely just a matter of the build process - the polarization of the screen could be different in newer [sub]models. From one AMOLED screen to another, I've noticed the same problems, but it depends on what polarization the glasses have, what ANGLE the polarization is at, and what angle the polarization is on the device screen. I also have to tilt my head at least 45deg to get it 100% bright, and holding the device sideways works fine.
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This happened to me on my galaxy skyrocket, but only because the screen protector I had was polarized and "anti-glare". I do not have a screen protector on my S4 and it doesn't happen there. It's interesting if it is a difference in production, because polarization does cut down light output a little.

nyarrgh said:
This happened to me on my galaxy skyrocket, but only because the screen protector I had was polarized and "anti-glare". I do not have a screen protector on my S4 and it doesn't happen there. It's interesting if it is a difference in production, because polarization does cut down light output a little.
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It is quite interesting indeed. I haven't done much research on it, but I think it's something to do with keeping the light from bleeding into nearby pixels - keeping the image sharp and clear when looking at it head-on.

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What you are saying is pretty much impossible with AMOLED displays. It may not be the normal orientation, but there has to be some orientation at which the screen is darkened. The only other explanation is that the sunglasses you tried were not actually polarized. You're absolutely sure?
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If I angle the phone a little, the screen appears darker in compariaon to the normal viewing angle.
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I've noticed this on my S3 and my new/used S4.....
I also have an "off colored" strip about 1in long you can ONLY see with polarized sunglasses. Not sure if it's the Zagg screen protector that's wrinkled slightly in that spot, or if there is a scratch on the screen on that spot under the Zagg? My S3 did that wherever it had a scratch... The Zagg covered the scratches, but couldn't hide it from my sunglasses. I don't want to take off the Zagg on the S4 to see if it's actually scratched or not, maybe someday when I get a spare $30 for another one I'll check it out.

tele_jas said:
I've noticed this on my S3 and my new/used S4.....
I also have an "off colored" strip about 1in long you can ONLY see with polarized sunglasses. Not sure if it's the Zagg screen protector that's wrinkled slightly in that spot, or if there is a scratch on the screen on that spot under the Zagg? My S3 did that wherever it had a scratch... The Zagg covered the scratches, but couldn't hide it from my sunglasses. I don't want to take off the Zagg on the S4 to see if it's actually scratched or not, maybe someday when I get a spare $30 for another one I'll check it out.
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Definitely the sunglasses, had the same issues with my Zagg screen protector on the one x+.
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Screen polarization

Just noticed someone posted a question on the old 7 forum about screen polarization. Mine unfortunately blacks out with my sunglasses when it's held in landscape. I was planning on using it while flying for gps purposes so I'll have to invest in some non-polarized glasses.

48dodge said:
Just noticed someone posted a question on the old 7 forum about screen polarization. Mine unfortunately blacks out with my sunglasses when it's held in landscape. I was planning on using it while flying for gps purposes so I'll have to invest in some non-polarized glasses.
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This is really just a problem with how LCD's in general are made. Can't really do much about it other than different sunglasses as you mentioned.

I wonder if that was my question. I remember posting about it in the old N7 forum. At any rate, thanks for posting this! I'm still holding out for the LTE version.

Things can be done with the design to make lcds useable with polarized sunglasses. My xoom only blacks out on 2 of the 45deg angles. Works fine landscape and portrait. My s4 is fine during 360deg just slight color shifting mainly just at the 45deg angles.

48dodge said:
Things can be done with the design to make lcds useable with polarized sunglasses. My xoom only blacks out on 2 of the 45deg angles. Works fine landscape and portrait. My s4 is fine during 360deg just slight color shifting mainly just at the 45deg angles.
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That's because the S4 uses OLED, its a different type of screen technology.

Yeah forgot about that on the s4. The xoom's screen orientation would have been nice

The Z2 screen is polarized (can't be seen in landscape with polarized sunglasses)

So after some very confusing moments I just figured out that the Z2 screen is polarized so when holding the phone in landscape for example while taking a picture, you can't see the screen if you are wearing polarized sunglasses.
Here you can see it in a video I made:
http://youtu.be/kSWo7yLdfwU
This is the first time I see this in a smartphone, it's a little bit annoying, anyone knows the reason?, maybe the polarizing filter in the screen of the Z2 is what makes it a little bit dimmer than the competition?

Pitchb3nd said:
So after some very confusing moments I just figured out that the Z2 screen is polarized so when holding the phone in landscape for example while taking a picture, you can't see the screen if you are wearing polarized sunglasses.
Here you can see it in a video I made:
http://youtu.be/kSWo7yLdfwU
This is the first time I see this in a smartphone, it's a little bit annoying, anyone knows the reason?, maybe the polarizing filter in the screen of the Z2 is what makes it a little bit dimmer than the competition?
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pretty sure its to make the screen more visible under water... maybe.
edit: just googled, most phones have it now to stop glare from sun. thats it.
I know polarizing glasses stops water glare.. not sure how itd work under water though.

After seeing this first hand today it's a definite deal-breaker for me, as every pair of sunglasses I own are polarized, and I have no intention of changing that. I never had an issue before seeing the screen of my HTC One X & One M7 outside wearing sunglasses & taking photos in any orientation. Since the Z2 I received this week has a gap the size a credit card will fit into on the bottom left & both cameras are very off center I was going the exchange route but after noticing this today, no thanks. It's really a shame, maybe a future Xperia will be better though.
I found a review that mentions this issue on Pocket Lint: http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/128493-sony-xperia-z2-review
FWIW I have read elsewhere that the HTC One M8 shares this same issue too.

It is pretty daft considering most holiday snaps will be taken in landscape with the sunglasses on.
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I guess Sony missed this one. Almost all LCD displays have a polarizing filter, but they are usually set to polarize at 45 degrees compared to sunglasses (or vice versa). You can try this by looking at an LCD display (not the Z2, obviously) or your digital watch through your sunglasses and then turning the glasses slowly.
BTW, my Google Nexus 7 tablet is also polarized at 90 degrees. I can see nothing in landscape view.
But my computer display and even the LCD in my car dash can be seen clearly. Unless I tilt my head 45 degrees.

KrisPerry said:
It is pretty daft considering most holiday snaps will be taken in landscape with the sunglasses on.
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Exactly! I've hated the camera on my M7 since day 1 and I was excited to finally upgrade to a phone with a high quality camera. Little did I know at the time the Z2 would also be useless on sunny days for taking photos
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I guess Sony missed this one. Almost all LCD displays have a polarizing filter, but they are usually set to polarize at 45 degrees compared to sunglasses (or vice versa). You can try this by looking at an LCD display (not the Z2, obviously) or your digital watch through your sunglasses and then turning the glasses slowly.
BTW, my Google Nexus 7 tablet is also polarized at 90 degrees. I can see nothing in landscape view.
But my computer display and even the LCD in my car dash can be seen clearly. Unless I tilt my head 45 degrees.
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That's pretty interesting, I never really knew how that worked, thanks! I have noticed in some cars I couldn't see the nav screen with my sunglasses on, and I just thought it was a poor quality screen, luckily in my Jeep there's no problem at all though. Now I must find a phone with a legible screen for taking sunny day photos.

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Pitchb3nd said:
So after some very confusing moments I just figured out that the Z2 screen is polarized so when holding the phone in landscape for example while taking a picture, you can't see the screen if you are wearing polarized sunglasses.
Here you can see it in a video I made:
http://youtu.be/kSWo7yLdfwU
This is the first time I see this in a smartphone, it's a little bit annoying, anyone knows the reason?, maybe the polarizing filter in the screen of the Z2 is what makes it a little bit dimmer than the competition?
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i wanna report this;
at first moment of using my XZ2 i tested this But Display was visible in all angles under polarized sunglasses.
compared by Note3 & Nexus5 >>
XZ2 is better than n5
but worse than note3 while wearing polarized sunglasses
i installed normal visible screen protector (comes with ultraFit Spigen Case)
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x102x96x said:
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Then your sunglasses aren't polarized, because the screen definitely is.

If you research LCD technology you will see a polarizing filter is required to make the screen work. If you then have polarizing glasses then you will have this issue. AMOLED technology is superior in this respect because it does not involve the use of polarized light.

juicejuice said:
If you research LCD technology you will see a polarizing filter is required to make the screen work. If you then have polarizing glasses then you will have this issue. AMOLED technology is superior in this respect because it does not involve the use of polarized light.
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Oh, this explains why I didn't have such a problem with Galaxy S4!..

Is it really that big of a deal to put your sunglasses on your head for the ten seconds it takes to snap a picture?
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Well my polarised rayban does work with the phone when it's in horizontal orientation. It's just quite dim, but it's not completely dark like the one on YouTube.
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Then your sunglasses aren't polarized, because the screen definitely is.
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i m sure about it cause i tested sunglasses polarization
anyway i got that result and it s good for me

After updating to .323 i don't have this problem anymore.
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beni8978 said:
After updating to .323 i don't have this problem anymore.
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Hahah,maybe it's because i put the screen protector.
But I could watch it in landscape on my rayban polarized sunglasses.
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pauley said:
After seeing this first hand today it's a definite deal-breaker for me, as every pair of sunglasses I own are polarized, and I have no intention of changing that. I never had an issue before seeing the screen of my HTC One X & One M7 outside wearing sunglasses & taking photos in any orientation. Since the Z2 I received this week has a gap the size a credit card will fit into on the bottom left & both cameras are very off center I was going the exchange route but after noticing this today, no thanks. It's really a shame, maybe a future Xperia will be better though.
I found a review that mentions this issue on Pocket Lint: http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/128493-sony-xperia-z2-review
FWIW I have read elsewhere that the HTC One M8 shares this same issue too.
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The flaws you mentioned are present on almost all Z2's, so you aren't going to find one without flaws. Also if you are going to avoid a purchase of a phone strictly because you can't lift your glasses up for 3 seconds to snap a picture once or twice a month, then I wish you luck with your other life endevours lol From what I understand most phones with LCD's have polarized screens, so you may not be able to find one that doesn't have it. The Z2 is a great phone I wouldn't consider anything else.

Z2 is probably polarised for sunlight legibility. My tablet Z is also polarised in the opposite plane.
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Hands on

So I set it up and have been playing with it for about an hour now. The software is so smooth, butter!! It feels great in the hand. The back is so much better now. Not as slippery as the OG XL. Definitely not a fingerprint magnet. The display is great. I'm not sure why some people are having issues. If you turn off the auto brightness and set it to about 60% you're set. Increase and decrease when needed. The bezels are small. I have a Note 8 so I'm use to the small bezels. These are just as good. The sides aren't as curved as the N8, but I actually think it's going to be better. Typing and touch sensitivity sometimes gets messed up with the N8 because of the curved display. The front facing speakers are best I've heard on a phone in a while. Remember it's just a phone, so your expectation shouldn't be real high. Lol. Love they are front facing. I can actually hold my device in landscape to watch a video and not have to worry about covering up the speaker.
I haven't used the camera or can't comment on the battery. I'll edit this tomorrow to include a little more.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll be up for a while tonight playing with it.

have you tried comparing the screen with the 'vivid' setting enabled vs. with it disabled?

Good review! It's what I wanted to hear, should have mine next week.

uicnren said:
have you tried comparing the screen with the 'vivid' setting enabled vs. with it disabled?
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Yeah, little bit of a difference. I kinda like it off.

Did you notice any screen issue? I.e. Muted color, blue shift,blotchy screen (scroll white webpage in low brightness)?

benzben228 said:
Did you notice any screen issue? I.e. Muted color, blue shift,blotchy screen (scroll white webpage in low brightness)?
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No issue, but there is a blue tint when looking from different angles. Which is not an issue for me. Otherwise it is a nice display.
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Great review. The screen issue has been blowing WAY out. I went to my local Verizon to check it out & it was SWEET. Screen is way better than my Nexus 6P. It was bright & sharp. Reviewers & Critics are going to find something wrong with everything that's there job. This phone is going to be a MONSTER period. Can't wait till I get mine

skinnytoo2 said:
No issue, but there is a blue tint when looking from different angles. Which is not an issue for me. Otherwise it is a nice display.
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Thanks. I ordered mine and was worried about the screen after reading the review from the verge.

This phone gets better and better. Lol
Wait until you see the photos it takes. Wow!!
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skinnytoo2 said:
Yeah, little bit of a difference. I kinda like it off.
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I can't even tell a difference with it on or off. My screen seems quite warm and doesn't get very bright. I'm seeing a lot of mixed reviews on the internet
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skinnytoo2 said:
No issue, but there is a blue tint when looking from different angles. Which is not an issue for me. Otherwise it is a nice display.
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how strong it is recognizable?
This is my only issue regarding the new pixel 2 xl.
Like if the phone is laying down on the table in front of you? How is it in panorama mode? Only visible on white screen or also by watching a video?

Redrockzz said:
how strong it is recognizable?
This is my only issue regarding the new pixel 2 xl.
Like if the phone is laying down on the table in front of you? How is it in panorama mode? Only visible on white screen or also by watching a video?
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It is from the polarizer.
It is noticeable when lying on a table in front of you, and if you turn it off axis. Only noticeable when there is white.
did not notice it while watching a few short videos.

uicnren said:
It is from the polarizer.
It is noticeable when lying on a table in front of you, and if you turn it off axis. Only noticeable when there is white.
did not notice it while watching a few short videos.
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Same
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Vibration feel?
How's the vibration motor ? Stronger than the OG pixel ?

millerthyme2g0 said:
How's the vibration motor ? Stronger than the OG pixel ?
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Stronger than OG , but not by much
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The screen is polarized? I wear polarized sunglasses exclusively. I hope this doesn't become an issue.

Larzzzz82 said:
The screen is polarized? I wear polarized sunglasses exclusively. I hope this doesn't become an issue.
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I just tested in the kitchen with 2 pairs of polarized sunglasses and the P2XL screen is great. There are no weird dark spots or rainbow colors you get sometimes looking at devices, it pretty much was normal. Tested side by side to my wife's Pixel original, new phone was much better.

Larzzzz82 said:
The screen is polarized? I wear polarized sunglasses exclusively. I hope this doesn't become an issue.
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It's special coated so that it's easier to see when wearing sunglasses. I believe they mentioned it in the keynote.
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Larzzzz82 said:
The screen is polarized? I wear polarized sunglasses exclusively. I hope this doesn't become an issue.
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Nope, you're good
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All the videos ive seen point to the speakers not being that loud and sounding almost muffled? Its been tested against devcies that should get killed by the sound from the XL 2 but dont.
What phone are you coming from?
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