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[Q] Asking confirmation : S4+CWM+Knox = 0x1

Hi,
I'm a new S4 (i337M) owner, I had a S2 but it broke.
I saw a couples of warning about the Knox BS from Samsung and I want to be sure that I understand everything.
My Android Version is 4.3 MK6 . In the download mode, I have the knox 0x0 . If I install the CWM Recovery, is it possible to keep the 0x0 or it will trip to 0x1 ? My phone is rooted but I want to do a nandroid backup before playing with mods and roms and I think that it's not possible without a custom recovery.
If I trip knox to 0x1, I know that I will not be able to use the knox option (and I don't give a sh_t about Knox) but if it's possible to do a nandroid without tripping the 0x0, it will be nice
Thanks guys !

Yes, if you flash CWM, your Knox will trip to 0x1, and your warranty will be void.
No, you cannot do a Nandroid without a custom recovery, which means you will trip your Knox counter.
Yes, you CAN root your MK6 without tripping Knox, it just will not give you custom recovery options.

ve6ay said:
Yes, if you flash CWM, your Knox will trip to 0x1, and your warranty will be void.
No, you cannot do a Nandroid without a custom recovery, which means you will trip your Knox counter.
Yes, you CAN root your MK6 without tripping Knox, it just will not give you custom recovery options.
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First of all, big thanks for your fast reply !
My S4 is rooted ( I did it an hour after I had the phone ) , so if I have a Knox 0x1 and if I don't care about the know feature and about the phone's warranty, do I will be able to flash customs roms and original roms ?

I have the same problem!!!
maxflay said:
First of all, big thanks for your fast reply !
My S4 is rooted ( I did it an hour after I had the phone ) , so if I have a Knox 0x1 and if I don't care about the know feature and about the phone's warranty, do I will be able to flash customs roms and original roms ?
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I have an AT&T S4 that has a tripped Knox counter(0x1). I have no problems gaining root access. I have used Odin 3.10, Heimdall, Casual, and Loki to try to obtain a custom recovery such as CWM or TWRP, but none of these worked. I'm starting to think that if the Knox counter is tripped, the container for Samsung's Knox software is locked forever and you can never flash a custom recovery. Someone PLEASE tell me I'm wrong and there is a way to flash custom recovery with a 0x1 counter tripped.

seanswiggett said:
I have an AT&T S4 that has a tripped Knox counter(0x1). I have no problems gaining root access. I have used Odin 3.10, Heimdall, Casual, and Loki to try to obtain a custom recovery such as CWM or TWRP, but none of these worked. I'm starting to think that if the Knox counter is tripped, the container for Samsung's Knox software is locked forever and you can never flash a custom recovery. Someone PLEASE tell me I'm wrong and there is a way to flash custom recovery with a 0x1 counter tripped.
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On the SGH-I337, any bootloader more recent than the original MDB or MDL are locked in such a way that you can not load a custom kernel or a custom recovery. You are limited to root, safestrap, and Samsung Touchwiz based firmware. As far as I know, it has nothing to do with knox.
Incidentally, the original MDB and MDL bootloaders were locked as well, but LOKI exploited a flaw in the bootloader code which allowed custom kernel and custom recovery to be installed. This flaw was removed starting with the MK2 and newer bootloaders.

[Q] Possible to install a custom recovery WITHOUT root?

Hi,
Tried to google it, but seems i just can find howtoos on installing custom recovery if i root the phone.
However before i root the phone (since its a work phone) i would like to make a nandroid backup of it just incase it needs service sometime in the future. And therefor have a NON rooted image of it.
So my question is: Is it possible to install a custom recovery to make a nandroid of the S5 without rooting it and voiding the warranty?

raysv said:
Hi,
Tried to google it, but seems i just can find howtoos on installing custom recovery if i root the phone.
However before i root the phone (since its a work phone) i would like to make a nandroid backup of it just incase it needs service sometime in the future. And therefor have a NON rooted image of it.
So my question is: Is it possible to install a custom recovery to make a nandroid of the S5 without rooting it and voiding the warranty?
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First read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2313072
Second If I'm sure you will not void your warranty but MAYBE you will have in download mode Knox Flag 0x1 or something like this and Custom binary 1... BUT MAYBE I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE

Install custom recovery, kernel, ROM etc. sure trip Knox to 0x1. Unfortnately reset doesn´t exist.
Only towelroot doesn´t trip knox.

Is it possible to undo towelroot again without a nandroid?
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[Q] Help, I'm 15 and want to unroot and restore to factory settings

Hi, i have note 3 sm n9005 or something and rooted my phone for some stupid reason, its still on stock the only thing that i think happened was i have supersu, i paniced and factory reset, now supersu has a error thing with something to do with binary settings or something. All i want to do it fully reset my phone, if its any help im british with EE... does flashing supersu trip knox counter? Am i actually rooted for if i were to flash stock? Will that trip it? Iv knly had phone few months and im scared... if i flash stock can i then update legally coz i cant update because the device is modified? I used odin... can someone help please, i know nothing and yes, i should look into what im doing more before hand. Can you explain everything and what to do please? Every little thing, please and without tripping knox and as if it was out the box new. Please

Firstly, flashing SuperSU trips KNOX. In the first place, to install SuperSU you need a custom recovery which would ALSO trip KNOX. Flashing back to stock unroots your phone too.
If you are convinced that you have not tripped KNOX, just re flash your phone back to stock with ODIN.

This_Guyse said:
Firstly, flashing SuperSU trips KNOX. In the first place, to install SuperSU you need a custom recovery which would ALSO trip KNOX. Flashing back to stock unroots your phone too.
If you are convinced that you have not tripped KNOX, just re flash your phone back to stock with ODIN.
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I dont have a clue what i first did but what i did magically apeared with supersu. Can i flash stock which will get rid of supersu and can i reset my knox counter? And am i actually rooted seen as i factory reset?

MarkDyer1 said:
I dont have a clue what i first did but what i did magically apeared with supersu. Can i flash stock which will get rid of supersu and can i reset my knox counter? And am i actually rooted seen as i factory reset?
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Flashing stock will get rid of SuperSU and root but you cannot reset KNOX. It is permanently 0x1 and will always be.

This_Guyse said:
Flashing stock will get rid of SuperSU and root but you cannot reset KNOX. It is permanently 0x1 and will always be.
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What about the fact i factory reset? Is it still rooted to flash stock? And doesnt it have to be a unrooted stocked rather than flashing rooted stock? And where do i got stock and do i need to unzip files and stuff?

MarkDyer1 said:
Hi, i have note 3 sm n9005 or something and rooted my phone for some stupid reason, its still on stock the only thing that i think happened was i have supersu, i paniced and factory reset, now supersu has a error thing with something to do with binary settings or something. All i want to do it fully reset my phone, if its any help im british with EE... does flashing supersu trip knox counter? Am i actually rooted for if i were to flash stock? Will that trip it? Iv knly had phone few months and im scared... if i flash stock can i then update legally coz i cant update because the device is modified? I used odin... can someone help please, i know nothing and yes, i should look into what im doing more before hand. Can you explain everything and what to do please? Every little thing, please and without tripping knox and as if it was out the box new. Please
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Reboot in download mode I. E. Volume down+home+power, check the knox counter if it's 0x1 then it has already been tripped and you have been set free ?? and if it's 0x0 you are still locked in a cage.
Report back with what you see.

saadramiz said:
Reboot in download mode I. E. Volume down+home+power, check the knox counter if it's 0x1 then it has already been tripped and you have been set free ?? and if it's 0x0 you are still locked in a cage.
Report back with what you see.
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I know i have done something coz when i want to update it says this device has been modified. But i havent flashed any roms so surely knox should be 0x0 and flashing stock keeps it 0x0 doesnt it?

MarkDyer1 said:
I know i have done something coz when i want to update it says this device has been modified. But i havent flashed any roms so surely knox should be 0x0 and flashing stock keeps it 0x0 doesnt it?
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Yes, if your Knox is still 0x0, flashing stock keeps it 0x0.
Use Phone INFO ★Samsung★ app to check for the Knox Warranty Void status (in the GENERAL INFO section).

[Q] Rooted S4 GT-I9505, How to update from 4.2.2 to more recent ? - keep root

Hello,
I'm using a SGS4 rooted since more than one year and a half (odin, flash a small root bin file if I remember well, flash counter set to 1, no custom recovery and no nandroid backup)
Since I want to implement NFC card emulation now avaliable in android 4.4 in one of my apps, I'd like to update.
I've seen few threads on the subject, and most of them date from a long time (am I late ? ). I'd like to know how I could update normally my actual rom (provided by Orange, precisely I9505XXUAME2), or move to another slightly modified rom like the base rom provided by samsung without all these apps that you can only remove with root.
I don't want to have any data issue I've read about, I don't want to lose my actual apps and their data. (Nandroid backup then restoring apps and their data through nandroid manager?)
Also, if possible i'd like to update without losing my start screen, my parameters, etc... (in the worst case I'd re-set them manually). And finally of course I want to have it rooted at the end of the process.
In fact I want it to be just like if I had done an OTA update, then rooted it.
Also, How to update without setting the Knox counter to 1 ? (My flash counter is set to 1, should I use Triangle Away?)
Is there any simpler way than flashing the new firmware and then importing everything from my old data to the new and reinstalling the changes I made to the system (like avast & such) ?
Also, maybe there exists newest versions of the firmware, but without the new bootloader that has the knox counter ?
Thanks in advance!

tboss1995 said:
Thanks in advance!
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1. You can't receive OTA updates if you have rooted your device. You have to flash the firmwares via ODIN.
2. You don't need wipe nothing if you flash new stock firmware. Instructions: Flash new firmware (if you don't have wifi flash it one time more), root it again then and you're done. Your data don't have to be affected (maybe you only have to reinstall some app if the data/cache was moved to the SDCARD).
3. Flashing one new stock firmware don't modify KNOX. You actived KNOX rooting your device or flashing one custom recovery. Knox: 0x1 can't be reset. Triangle away only reset the flash counter.

Thanks for your fast answer !
So, flashing a firmware doesn't impact the data.
Updating via Kies sets the Knox counter. Updating via odin doesn't ? Don't I have to do any sort of un-root before updating ?
Is there anything specific I should know about root ? Because I don't want to flash a firmware that I won't be able to root without setting the knox counter.
Also I think that since we can't revert the bootloader update, maybe i'd better not update that bootloader so that I can update future versions and root them without setting knox counter, by installing a knox-free rom even before a knox-free root is released...
Where can I find these roms?

tboss1995 said:
Thanks for your fast answer !
So, flashing a firmware doesn't impact the data.
Updating via Kies sets the Knox counter. Updating via odin doesn't ? Don't I have to do any sort of un-root before updating ?
Is there anything specific I should know about root ? Because I don't want to flash a firmware that I won't be able to root without setting the knox counter.
Also I think that since we can't revert the bootloader update, maybe i'd better not update that bootloader so that I can update future versions and root them without setting knox counter, by installing a knox-free rom even before a knox-free root is released...
Where can I find these roms?
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1. Updating via ODIN or Kies don't set the KNOX counter. Downgrading YES.
2. Root dissapear if you flash new update via ODIN.
3. You can flash latest firmware and root them without KNOX. Take a look for the method: HERE.

Thanks for the answer again!
Howerver I still have 3 questions because I like to understand what I'm doing :
1. I understand the two terms ROM (OS of the phone) and bootloader (after a certain update, it adds the knox counter, and you can't downgrade it, and it also prevents towelroot from working). What is the called "kernel" ?
2. Up to exactly what version of the bootloader/rom does towelroot work ?
3. What is the difference between "knox-free" and "knox counter 0"? At the end of the method, will I have the new bootloader with a knox counter set to 0, or the old bootloader ?

tboss1995 said:
Thanks for the answer again!
Howerver I still have 3 questions because I like to understand what I'm doing :
1. I understand the two terms ROM (OS of the phone) and bootloader (after a certain update, it adds the knox counter, and you can't downgrade it, and it also prevents towelroot from working). What is the called "kernel" ?
2. Up to exactly what version of the bootloader/rom does towelroot work ?
3. What is the difference between "knox-free" and "knox counter 0"? At the end of the method, will I have the new bootloader with a knox counter set to 0, or the old bootloader ?
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1. Take a look: HERE.
2. Nobody know it.
3. - KNOX free: This therm is used for the custom ROMS normally. This mean that flashing this ROM dont touch the KNOX counter.
- KNOX counter: You still having your device in warranty if you have KNOX:0x0. You void your warranty if you have KNOX:0x1 in DOWNLOAD MODE.

So it means I'll still have the new bootloader ?
For those who may come to read this article and don't want to watch a video, I've found an article explaining what kernels are. http://m.androidcentral.com/android-z-what-kernel

Stock ROM pre-rooted?

Hi to everyone, I have a galaxy A5(2016) A510F and I want to root it but this will trip knox so I want to ask if we root a stock rom and flash it via odin does this detect root and trip knox ? (we will modify the system.img that we find in.tar file)

It probably won't trigger KNOX, but root access would be unstable, at best. Try using KingRoot instead - if it works on your device, it will root it and keep the KNOX counter the same, and if it doesn't, it'll just tell you that it can't root your phone.

I don't want try it because my phone it's new so can someone try it and post the result ? Maybe someone that have already trigger knox, this don't want to be a problem for him/her
EDIT: I think Kingroot don't work http://forum.xda-developers.com/sam...ment/galaxy-a5-2016-success-kingroot-t3400564

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I tried king root, but after reebooting my phone was unrooted. I suggest you to flash cf autoroot because, yes, it trips knox counter, but If u soft-brick your device in any way, you can always solve it using odin and flashing stock firmware/PIT...

They are two different things, maybe you are confused because it doesn't mean that if you flash cf autoroot and soft-brick your devices you can unbrick it just flashing stock rom, yes this is true but you can unbrick you phone in anytime without having cf autoroot!

I didn't mean that, i know odin doesn't request root permission, I said that if he flashes cf autoroot and he soft-bricks his device ( I know it's almost impossible ) he will resolve the problem by flashing stock formware (or a custom ROM after wiped cache, dalvik, data and system)

Unfortunately not possible to pre-root a stock Samsung 5.1.1 or 6.0 rom and preserve knox. It will boot loop your device. Selinux will block root and prevent the device from booting unless the boot.img is patched to remove the selinux root restriction.
However patching the boot.img trips knox, catch 22 situation.
Keep hoping for kingroot or Kingoroot if you want to preserve the knox counter.

Thanks for the reply
Can anyone try this http://www.samsungsfour.com/tutorials/how-to-root-all-samsung-galaxy-smartphones-without-pc.html ? I don't want to trip my knox!

If it works it wont trip knox as it doesn't touch the binaries.

Unfortunatelly, I can't try because i've already tripped the knox