Just a little poll about personal opinions.
For overall smoothness and best battery life:
"Do you prefer stock 2.2.1 and a custom kernel, or custom rom? "
Custom ALLLLLLL the way! Sammy roms are just slow and unoptimised.
I used a lot of Darky roms but now I'm trying Serendipity and I have to say it is soooo much faster!
stock...
anything else is gentoo all over again
Darky/ doc and most custom rom are in my opinion way faster and smoother than stock froyo.
Good battery. No lag. Very smooth. Cant even compare to stock.
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In the span of 2 weeks since I bought my sgs I've used Sammy 2.1, then Sammy 2.2, then seaArms, Darkymod and finally Doc's ROM.
The Sammy rom's are crap. They are slow, and have horrible battery usage.
Of the customs roms I've used Doc's is my favorite because of the level of personal customization. My rom ended up being just over 150MB. I saw the best battery usage with seaArms though.
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2.2.1 is doing good
not 2.2, that was horrible but 2.2.1 is stable, fast and very good battery.
I love the 2.2.1 Kitchen with Hardcore's kernel. Fast, up-to-date and excellent battery life.
Hi guys. I just want to ask which is better, the stock rom experience (lets say a bloat free with some mods) or a custom rom? :highfive:
Who runs stock??
marshygeek said:
Hi guys. I just want to ask which is better, the stock rom experience (lets say a bloat free with some mods) or a custom rom? :highfive:
Who runs stock??
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The biggest difference between stock and custom was always that the Custom is less bloated and lets say better optimized. Both of this factors should sum up for the most important reason "SPEED" .
Lets forget about the battery life, optimizations, stock apps, customization. It really boils down to the SPEED factor.
And since this phone has plenty power, really plenty. Even the bloatedest of worst stock roms still should run smoothly it comes down only to personal preference.
Check what the custom ROM has to offer, if its AOSP or STOCK based, and check what you will be using.
I am usually like this. Till the phone is updated by the manufacturer in a fairly fast manner I stay with stock and go custom when the phone slows down or ther eis a functionality added that the STOCK is missing.
Right now still on stock and since most and best customisations are currently through XPOSED. STOCK AND ROOT AND XPOSED am happy.,
Gotta stick with stock too. If am going custom, i'll go with stock based. Im tired of aosp roms. Looks all the same for me. (Hey! dont burn me its mee, my idea haha. Though i used a lot of roms before and loved them too.) Thanks!
I have used the plain old rooted stock up until a few days ago, when I switched to CM. I feel like LG really did a good job with the UI on this phone, and it's very usable as is. That said, I was coming from a Galaxy Nexus, so I kind of missed the stock experience, hence why I'm giving CM a shot. I do like the simplified nature of AOSP/CM, but at the same time some of LG's features are quite nice, so we'll see if I end up missing them.
Bottom line, I don't think you can go wrong either way with a phone this awesome. You're going to have a great, smooth experience no matter whether you stay on stock or go with some custom ROM.
Hi everybody! I own this s4 for four days now, but i can't find a custom rom with a good kernel that is faster than the stock samsung's! I think is really strange! For exaple with the stock 4.3 TW i fell the phone a lot more fluid and on antutu i have like 29k points!
On custom rom 4.3 or 4.4 with different kernels (i've tried like 4-5 roms and many kernels) the phone is more laggy and on antutu never more than 26k points!
Why? I remember my Nexus 4 that on stock was like 15k points and on custom aosp with good kernel was like 21k!!!
Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english!
I recommend Goldeneye ROM, it's stable and fast
Ruk_90 said:
Hi everybody! I own this s4 for four days now, but i can't find a custom rom with a good kernel that is faster than the stock samsung's! I think is really strange! For exaple with the stock 4.3 TW i fell the phone a lot more fluid and on antutu i have like 29k points!
On custom rom 4.3 or 4.4 with different kernels (i've tried like 4-5 roms and many kernels) the phone is more laggy and on antutu never more than 26k points!
Why? I remember my Nexus 4 that on stock was like 15k points and on custom aosp with good kernel was like 21k!!!
Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english!
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Seriously benchmarks and day to day performance are not worth comparing.
I find flashing aosp roms coupled with kt kernel(with the eclipse profile its really fast but I normally use the balance reloaded profile for lower performance to preserve battery life) much faster than stock. Check out this thread for more profiles that might be to your taste and you do not have to tune the kernel yourself: KT-SGS4 [Kernel] Builds ◆ALL VARIANTS◆ [AOSP/TW/GE - 4.4/4.3/4.2] ★KTWEAKER SHOP★ Stock might have high benchmarks but when it comes to daily usage I don't find it smooth at all.
dont give too much about antutu benchmarks... we all know what samsung is doing with benchmarks as for general usage, i find all the custom roms running smoothly right now... cm/omni in particular
Best ROM, stable, daily usage and with a good battery performance? Now i'm on CM14.1 official bit the battery drain very fast :crying: hope you can help me :good:
fpippo1999 said:
Best ROM, stable, daily usage and with a good battery performance? Now i'm on CM14.1 official bit the battery drain very fast :crying: hope you can help me :good:
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To be honest, best rom overall is samsungs stock rom 6.0.1. All the features (gps, nfc.....) work, you get good battery life, much more stable than any other rom, and even better performance than any cm. Also all the icons in status bar in cm looks retarded and its hard to understand what they do as there is no text below them, you also get a good camera app that no aosp android has. So yes, overall samsungs rom is the best, iam very dissapointed in the whole cm and aosp roms, they try to bring something else, but they fail miserably to bring any improvements, as there is too many bugs that get in the way.
For best overall ROM, stock 6.0.1 is what you want. Performance and battery life is best on stock.
As for custom ROM, my favourite is Resurrection Remix v5.7.4. Battery life is great (not as good as stock) and has all of the customisation features that I like. CM13 is also good and I find it the most stable custom ROM from my usage. Gaming performance however is a hit and miss on AOSP ROMs.
Saber said:
For best overall ROM, stock 6.0.1 is what you want. Performance and battery life is best on stock.
As for custom ROM, my favourite is Resurrection Remix v5.7.4. Battery life is great (not as good as stock) and has all of the customisation features that I like. CM13 is also good and I find it the most stable custom ROM from my usage. Gaming performance however is a hit and miss on AOSP ROMs.
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So i am not the only one that has seen even 2d gaming is very bad on CM.
AOSP? Resurrection Remix. Theyve been rockin as of late. TW? MOAR 7.0. Other than the fact that its a bit old and isnt supported by the devs anymore, its a killer TW ROM.
I have been using custom rom on this device since i bought it and took it out of the box (4-5 months ago).
To be honest and coming from other "superior" device, in terms of performance this device never disappointed me, for me it's like a "diesel car", you'll not have the power that maybe you are able to get whether you have a device powered by a Snapdragon 800-35 series. But this device ever performs very decently in every task, without major troubles.
Today i used my girlfriend's G4 Plus Dual-SIM XT1641 (totally stock, non-rooted, no anything, besides the lot of trash apps/games and Google bloatware that she has installed) and surprisingly i felt it much more "light/fast", for example when scrolling. So, i decided to make comparissions using the so much hated benchmark test (Geekbench 4 specifically, and AnTuTu 3D).
My results were:
Stock Nougat (7.0 June security patch):
Single-core: 742
Multi-Core: 3081
Stock LineageOS 14.1 (without modifications):
Single-Core: 662
Multi-core: 2314
The stock G4 plus did the test 5 minutes more quickly than the other one (mine XT1641 Single-SIM).
Then, i did the same test with AnTuTu, the result was similar, the stock one scored like a 20% better, and ended the test 3-4 minutes first. But the important thing for me was in the graphics test (GPU), honestly the stock one destroyed my device (running 14.1) in terms of graphic smoothness (FPS). The graphics in my device were really slow and i could see this slowdown in real time (running the test in both devices side to side, in the same time) [5/7FPS less than the stock one].
I use LineageOS 14.1 with his stock kernel, as it comes.
The obvious question:
[Question]: Why this happens?
I ask this because in every device that i owned the results were the opposite, i mean: CyanogenMod/LineageOS was pretty superior than the Stock rom (in terms of performance and even in benchmarking tests).
Don't get me wrong and think that i am complaining about the custom rom performance, in fact, i love (and i'm currently using) custom roms. I am just curious about the reasons of these results.
Your opinions are really welcome.
I never use or trust benchmarks. I always go off by what feels better to me.
reCoded said:
I never use or trust benchmarks. I always go off by what feels better to me.
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Definitely that's te way to go. :good:
I can also say that stock is alot smoother than the custom ROMs. Gaming performance is also better and I've even tried asking why custom ROMs gaming performance suffers compared to stock but no one seems to respond
I've tried LOS and ViperOS on my G4 Plus (XT1640 2gb RAM). The performance was much better with both custom ROM's, It was very snappy, held more apps in memory and was a more pleasant experience. Stock ROM perfoemance is not bad, but I see very clearly that the apps won't stay im memory for long and often I have scrolling lag when using facebook on chrome. For gaming I havent noticed any diference whatsoever.
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I've tried LOS and ViperOS on my G4 Plus (XT1640 2gb RAM). The performance was much better with both custom ROM's, It was very snappy, held more apps in memory and was a more pleasant experience. Stock ROM perfoemance is not bad, but I see very clearly that the apps won't stay im memory for long and often I have scrolling lag when using facebook on chrome. For gaming I havent noticed any diference whatsoever.
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What games have you tried?.
I've tried bleach brave souls and I get seriously bad lag compared to stock.
Although you are right about stock having bad memory management
yes even i feel the same in custom roms while scrolling or even while pulling the quick settings bar there is a lag but stock rom is pretty smooth and even the battery backup on stock is better than many custom roms but for most of the people thats ok and they dont care about these things and they like the customizations and theme support and many other features that are not available in stock
i personally feel like i can literally see the battery percentage going down in custom roms too fast
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yes even i feel the same in custom roms while scrolling or even while pulling the quick settings bar there is a lag but stock rom is pretty smooth and even the battery backup on stock is better than many custom roms but for most of the people thats ok and they dont care about these things and they like the customizations and theme support and many other features that are not available in stock
i personally feel like i can literally see the battery percentage going down in custom roms too fast
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Try the aosp one's like omni, aosp extended, ultra-caf, du, cypher (btw official 4.1 is out), pure nexus, cosmic they are smoother than most of the lineage based one's.
In my opinion, I'm thinking that if you root the phone the performance decreases. The more you do, the more the performance decreases. Stock roms all always better for me.
Will you install an stock rom or stay in linage??
andres88_ said:
In my opinion, I'm thinking that if you root the phone the performance decreases. The more you do, the more the performance decreases. Stock roms all always better for me.
Will you install an stock rom or stay in linage??
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I am on stock right now, rooted with EX. I obtained the same results as the post (with Geekbench 4). I know that the score isn't really important, anyway, i will use this rom a couple of days, to take better conclusions.
I notice that on stock, I get 5-7 hours of SoT, but on any ROM, even stock aosp, I get 3-4 hours. Quite strange.
I am by no means an expert on this but maybe the Moto stock rom is just much better than most stock ROMs. Where a custom rom may show performance improvements over other custom ROMs, they aren't an improvement over other stick ROMs? I don't know . I think the developers of ROMs for our device have done a fantastic job and I enjoy the customizations the ROMs offer. After having hard bricked my last phone twice (unable to bring back to life the last time), I am sticking with a locked bootloader and stock for awhile. Don't want to have to replace my phone again.
Multi-core: 2330 with Cypheros 7.1.2
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I am by no means an expert on this but maybe the Moto stock rom is just much better than most stock ROMs. Where a custom rom may show performance improvements over other custom ROMs, they aren't an improvement over other stick ROMs? I don't know . I think the developers of ROMs for our device have done a fantastic job and I enjoy the customizations the ROMs offer. After having hard bricked my last phone twice (unable to bring back to life the last time), I am sticking with a locked bootloader and stock for awhile. Don't want to have to replace my phone again.
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Totally agreed, developers like Silesh.Nair, Jleeblanch, vache, and others did amazing jobs here. We are lucky to have devs of that level, because we have ROMs of quality and variety for this device. Thanks for your great opinion.
lCrD512 said:
Try the aosp one's like omni, aosp extended, ultra-caf, du, cypher (btw official 4.1 is out), pure nexus, cosmic they are smoother than most of the lineage based one's.
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I installed OmniROM yesterday, used it for a while, and yes, it runs much more smoother than the LOS based ROMs i've tried, also i did the Geekbench 4 test, the results were: Multi-Core: 3081, Single-Core: 738, hence, the test is not lying (same results as the stock rom).
Still i do not know why the performance of the LOS baseds rom is not like the AOSP ones. I am not saying this only based in the results of a test.
I am currently on RR because i love his customization and features, but i see the difference when i try AOSP in terms of overall performance.
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I installed OmniROM yesterday, used it for a while, and yes, it runs much more smoother than the LOS based ROMs i've tried, also i did the Geekbench 4 test, the results were: Multi-Core: 3081, Single-Core: 738, hence, the test is not lying (same results as the stock rom).
Still i do not know why the performance of the LOS baseds rom is not like the AOSP ones. I am not saying this only based in the results of a test.
I am currently on RR because i love his customization and features, but i see the difference when i try AOSP in terms of overall performance.
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Which ROM did you recommend for more battery and performance? Based on your device and your experience.
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Which ROM did you recommend for more battery and performance? Based on your device and your experience.
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OmniROM, without a doubt. I tried plenty of roms, it's seems to be the only purely AOSP based. This rom performs like the stock one but whit the plus of a better battery life.
The only bad thing about Omni could be that is has not all the features that the LOS based ones offers, like Invicta or RR.
well, that's right. for me stock rom also feels a lot smoother faster and battery life is incredible. best stock software i've seen from motorola. i like custom roms and all the possibilities they bring, and we already have some very stable like invicta, or LOS. but i love this phone on stock (and debloated hehehe)